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How did I end up with geriatric 4 year olds?

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Lesley - 26 Aug 2007 14:33 GMT
Popped down to the vets yesterday to obtain suppliers of Hills for the
Fabulous Furballs. Picked up the lamb- they love that and noticed
(well it's not the first time I've noticed but it's the first time I
haven't been in a hurry) that the bag says 1-6 years

So I had to ask the vet nurse if Hills meant that as of their 7th
birthday I shouldn't feed them the stuff (THAT'S not what I call a
happy birthday!) and she said "Yes, then they can eat the older cat
range"

I said "6 is not old for a cat!"

She said she agreed and the practice has many cats older than that
indeed 20 year old cats are becoming much more common but she
explained that the main difference between Hills and Hills for older
cats is that the older cat version is formulated to account for the
fact that as cats get older they get less active...

I had better start Dunzi on older cat Hills now. She goes to bed
before we do (The sleeping place on the bookcase is so desirable that
both of them want it and Dunzi makes an early claim) is still asleep
when I go out to work and on a recent occasion when I got back late
from work and she was at the door and I said "You're up then" Dave
informed me that she had moved less than 20 minutes ago

Sarsi is a bit more active. She gets up usually mid morning then walks
into the living room demands a skritchie and then goes to sleep on the
sofa...this is a gruelling fitness regime as far as she is concerned
and she demands the best food to enable her to keep it

Should I start considering getting them little Zimmer frames?

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Kreisleriana - 26 Aug 2007 16:13 GMT
> Popped down to the vets yesterday to obtain suppliers of Hills for the
> Fabulous Furballs. Picked up the lamb- they love that and noticed
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>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furball

In technical vetspeak, I've noticed that cats are geriatric when they pass
seven.  That means that most of my cats spent many, many more years-- and
pretty darn bouncy ones that that-- being "geriatric."  But it's true, too
for human beings, isn't it?  Well, it's true of me, anyway.  I can't
truthfully say I'm "young" any more, and I have an awful lot of these
non-young years ahead of me.  But I'm still pretty bouncy, and expect to be
that way for many years to come.
Lesley - 26 Aug 2007 16:24 GMT
> In technical vetspeak, I've noticed that cats are geriatric when they pass
> seven.  That means that most of my cats spent many, many more years-- and
> pretty darn bouncy ones that that-- being "geriatric."  

I remember reading on a box of food that cats are elderly after 8. I
told Isis this but she was too busy chasing her tail to listen.

If it's true, she lived over half her life as an "old lady cat"

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Ginger-lyn - 26 Aug 2007 17:52 GMT
> Popped down to the vets yesterday to obtain suppliers of Hills for the
> Fabulous Furballs. Picked up the lamb- they love that and noticed
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Gotta ask -- what's a Zimmer frame?

I tried the Hill's "Old Cat" food on my guys.  Not impressed.  Most of
them do, however, seem to *really* like the one I've got them on now.
And of course, the name escapes me.  I think "Natural" is in the name,
and it's one of those Dick Van Patten foods.  I haven't seen some of
these guys so ravenous about dry food in years!

Geriatric 4 year olds is funny.  I suppose it depends on the cat.  Tiki
(RB) always seemed to me like an Old Cat, even when she was young.  She
just had that sort of cranky attitude all her life.  The other cats
thought little of her, until the rest were all gone to the Bridge, and
then Cosmo came along and actually *liked* Tiki.  It was so sweet.

I have seen Cosmo be kittenish on occasion, and he is 17.  And I am
still calling Kate and Jack the kittens because, even at two, they still
act like kittens (especially Jack, of course!).

Babble babble babble.

Ginger-lyn
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Lesley - 26 Aug 2007 19:55 GMT
> Gotta ask -- what's a Zimmer frame?

A frame which eldelry people use to help them balance when they walk.
I think the ither name is a "walking frame"

> I tried the Hill's "Old Cat" food on my guys.  Not impressed.  Most of
> them do, however, seem to *really* like the one I've got them on now.
> And of course, the name escapes me.  I think "Natural" is in the name,
> and it's one of those Dick Van Patten foods.  I haven't seen some of
> these guys so ravenous about dry food in years!

Dunzi likes Hills "Natural Balance"- it's got brown rice in it and she
was a hippy in a previous life, She'll barge Sarsi out of the way when
that's on the menu

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Christina Websell - 26 Aug 2007 19:19 GMT
> I had better start Dunzi on older cat Hills now. She goes to bed
> before we do (The sleeping place on the bookcase is so desirable that
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>
> Should I start considering getting them little Zimmer frames?

Your cats are bored.  Who wouldn't be, being a prisoner in the house?  If
you need to keep them in, they need way much much more stimulation.
I am lucky that mine have safe access to outside.
I personally don't agree with keeping cats in, in the UK.  If you live
beside a very busy road, forget it .of course. Then you have to question if
you should have decided to have a cat, anyway

Tweed
Lesley - 26 Aug 2007 19:50 GMT
On 26 Aug, 11:19, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Your cats are bored.  Who wouldn't be, being a prisoner in the house?  If
> you need to keep them in, they need way much much more stimulation.

They have plenty of stimulation- Dave is here all the time and they
get played with several times a day if they want to- they're both good
at letting us know that they don't want to play (walking away when we
offer them their toys) or if they do want to play, Sarsi will bring
the toy of her choice and drop it in front of you. Also there are a
number of toys that don't require a Human to play with them like their
tennis game, which when they want to they can play for hours (bit
noisy at 5am but we're used to it). I admit they're not too active at
the moment but both of them are huddled by the fan wishing someone
would shave their fur off!

.  If you live
> beside a very busy road, forget it .of course.

We live by a road that isn't safe for Humans to cross- I've had a dead
body land in my front garden.

Let's not start this old argument- you think cats should go out and I
think they don't have to,

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs.
Christina Websell - 28 Aug 2007 00:02 GMT
> On 26 Aug, 11:19, "Christina Websell"
> <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> Let's not start this old argument- you think cats should go out and I
> think they don't have to,

I don't wish to start an argument at all re the in/out debate, and of course
cats like to sleep a lot, but not *that* much.
In an ideal world cats could go in and out.  In to sleep on comfy beds, and
out to hunt safely, where there are huge gardens and no traffic to speak of.
Like mine do.
I realise that you are not in a situation to offer this, but I still think
your cat is bored.  I want you to know, also, that I am not saying this to
"tell you off" but just to say what I think might be the reason for her
sleeping more than usual.
Maybe I put it badly before.  I am not known for my tact.:-)

Tweed
Bridget - 26 Aug 2007 19:52 GMT
>> I had better start Dunzi on older cat Hills now. She goes to bed
>> before we do (The sleeping place on the bookcase is so desirable that
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>
> Tweed

I don't know about her cats, but my cats are definitely not bored
inside. I don't know what they do when I am not home, but when I am home
and awake, they are too and they are active and they don't go outside.
They run and chase each other up and down the hallways, through the
bedroom and up and down the stairs. They know where their catnip spot is
and rub themselves in it liberally whenever it occurs to them. The
scratching post gets a good work out from my two cats that use it on a
routine basis, they watch out the windows for bugs and birds. My oldest
cat constantly plays with gravity (I am nearly insane now from picking
the same things up every day), stuffed mices are found in new places on
a daily basis.

I do not have to worry about fleas and ticks, mean teen agers, cars,
coyotes, birds of prey, poisons or dogs. My cats are in prime health and
I would say happy. They are all lap cats who pile on the moment I get
still and who all sleep in the same bed with me. They deal well with
children (and know how to just leave if the children don't know how to
deal with pets). Inside doesn't mean an insane cat. Some cats just
aren't interested in doing a whole lot more. Some are. Mine are. The
outside cat at my friends house will occasionally catch his own mice and
birds, but for the most part, just lays on the patio soaking up the sun.
He really doesn't care much to do anything else and I don't think he is
bored, he has a whole barn to play in.

Bridget
jofirey - 26 Aug 2007 20:23 GMT
>> I had better start Dunzi on older cat Hills now. She goes to bed
>> before we do (The sleeping place on the bookcase is so desirable that
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> beside a very busy road, forget it .of course. Then you have to question
> if you should have decided to have a cat, anyway

First, I think anyone who wants a cat, isn't unkind to it, and can take care
of its feeding and other needs should have one.

Too many cats who are in dire straits and need homes.  Not all shelters are
no kill.

And of course all cats should be neutered.

Ours have the choice because it is fairly safe here, and because Charlie
believes they need out to be happy.

Molly stays out if the weather is decent.  Charlie and I fight about whether
he should feed her in the garage.  I think she should at least have to show
her furry little butt a few times a day in order to eat.  Left totally to
her own devices she would come in about every third night for a good nights
sleep.  Left totally to her own preferences, we would just leave the door
stand open.

Jake stays or goes depending on how he is feeling.  Many days he barely gets
out of our bed to eat.  Often when he goes out, it is just to sleep in the
sun and watch the birds.

But there are days.  When he steals Molly's prey.  When he torments the dog
into chasing him.  When he goes up on the roof.  When he stalks the wild
bugs in the field across the street.  When he charms all the neighbors.
When he climbs trees and sharpens his claws and stares at birds.

So Jake is happy,  Molly is happy. Charlie is happy.  I'm a little nervous,
but it does cut down on litter box duty.

Jo
Jack Campin - bogus address - 26 Aug 2007 22:38 GMT
> I had better start Dunzi on older cat Hills now. She goes to bed
> before we do (The sleeping place on the bookcase is so desirable that
> both of them want it and Dunzi makes an early claim) is still asleep
> when I go out to work and on a recent occasion when I got back late
> from work and she was at the door and I said "You're up then" Dave
> informed me that she had moved less than 20 minutes ago

> Sarsi is a bit more active. She gets up usually mid morning then walks
> into the living room demands a skritchie and then goes to sleep on the
> sofa...this is a gruelling fitness regime as far as she is concerned
> and she demands the best food to enable her to keep it

> Should I start considering getting them little Zimmer frames?

I thought the issue "senior" catfoods were supposed to address was
loss of kidney function - they have a lower proportion of protein,
which helps prevent kidney damage.  Nothing to do with activity
level.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Aug 2007 22:54 GMT
> I thought the issue "senior" catfoods were supposed to address was
> loss of kidney function - they have a lower proportion of protein,
> which helps prevent kidney damage.  Nothing to do with activity
> level.

I think they're probably lower in fat, too - that's where the
activity level comes in.

Joyce
Kathy - 26 Aug 2007 20:18 GMT
> Popped down to the vets yesterday to obtain suppliers of Hills for the
> Fabulous Furballs. Picked up the lamb- they love that and noticed
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
And how do you know whether they've been up all night, investigating places
in your house that you may not know exist?
Purrs and hugs,
Kathy
Lesley - 26 Aug 2007 21:06 GMT
> And how do you know whether they've been up all night, investigating places
> in your house that you may not know exist?

Oh yes that's often (particularly in hot weather) when they are
active. And yes I know, our flat is small and on one level and two
small cats can make the sound of a horde of rampaging wildebeast at
4am- never mind bouncing off a Hoomin or two on their way to the game!

We're immune, we mutter "bloody cats!" and stick the covers over our
heads and go back to sleep until we hear the crash that means we
really shouldn't have left the living room door open....

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Aug 2007 22:15 GMT
> Popped down to the vets yesterday to obtain suppliers of Hills for the
> Fabulous Furballs. Picked up the lamb- they love that and noticed
> (well it's not the first time I've noticed but it's the first time I
> haven't been in a hurry) that the bag says 1-6 years

> So I had to ask the vet nurse if Hills meant that as of their 7th
> birthday I shouldn't feed them the stuff (THAT'S not what I call a
> happy birthday!) and she said "Yes, then they can eat the older cat
> range"

> I said "6 is not old for a cat!"

I remember when Smudge was 6 years old and I had to bring her to the
vet for something. The vet suggested we also get her a "senior blood
workup". I'm like, *senior*?? Smudge is still a kitten!! At the time,
it seemed like I had still only just adopted her, as a 4-month-old.

And even now, at 10, she's still going strong (despite verious mishaps).
I wouldn't call her a "kitten" anymore though. She's been showing her
age more. Not in her behavior, but just in her face. She doesn't have
that baby face anymore. I swear, she has bags under her eyes!

Joyce
Lesley - 27 Aug 2007 15:36 GMT
On 26 Aug, 14:15, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
Not in her behavior, but just in her face. She doesn't have
> that baby face anymore. I swear, she has bags under her eyes!

I can see a whole new field opening up for opportunistic vets with no
morals- Plastic surgery for cats!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Adrian A - 27 Aug 2007 16:32 GMT
> On 26 Aug, 14:15, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> Not in her behavior, but just in her face. She doesn't have
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>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Don't give 'em ideas! ;-)
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Lesley - 27 Aug 2007 18:24 GMT
> Don't give 'em ideas! ;-)
> --

I'd like to see a plastic surgery vet brave enough to approach Sarsi
with a Botox injection!
Our vet always says it's not that she's aggressive it's the look that
says she's saving me up for later!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
 
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