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Repressed Dot
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Takayuki - 10 Aug 2007 18:22 GMT I'm really worried about Dot. For weeks, she's kept to herself in the kitchen, on top of her chair, or hiding beneath it. This isn't her normal, happy, demanding, and unsuppressed self. I know that Dot loves to play, loves to sleep with her hoomins, loves to explore, loves scritches and belly rubs, always wants to join in whatever I'm doing. But she doesn't get to do these things anymore, because she lives in fear and anxiety. Her safe spot is a chair in the kitchen.
She's continued to pee in various corners of the kitchen in such quantity that I doubt she ever actually pees inside the litter box. I'm always a step behind cleaning up after her, because the pee doesn't show up against waxed linoleum, even under a blacklight. I kind of avoid the kitchen now, except when cleaning it, which is often, because it's pretty gross.
Dot's attitude towards Buster has always been so consistently nervous and hostile. But he's well behaved with her. Sometimes, he shows some mild curiosity of her. Most of the time, he doesn't notice her. If she growls at him, he leaves. She'll sometimes take a swipe at him and run away, if he wanders near her while he's minding his own business.
I want so much for Dot not to live alone and in fear anymore. I want her to join the family and live a life filled with play and love, and being loved. I want her to accept Buster as just the little power-napping self-occupied little goof that he is, and not some scary monster. Her behavior living in the house with another cat is soo atypical of her natural outgoing personality.
Dot, please accept Buster as your little bro-fur.
Well, Dot is on buspirone, which is supposed to be a good treatment for kitty anxiety, and said to typically eliminate behavioral urine marking, even after discontinuing after an 8 week course. Dot has a prescription for a 13 week course. She's been on it for a week now.
I think I see why Dot was given up to the shelter - in the six cat household she was in before, her problems were probably unmanageable. It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for me - sort of like an assignment.
Lesley - 10 Aug 2007 18:47 GMT > I think I see why Dot was given up to the shelter - in the six cat > household she was in before, her problems were probably unmanageable. > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. We're sending our purrs for things to settle down between Dot and Buster Lesley
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CatNipped - 10 Aug 2007 19:00 GMT > I'm really worried about Dot. For weeks, she's kept to herself in the > kitchen, on top of her chair, or hiding beneath it. This isn't her [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. I don't know what to tell you, Tak, except I'm sorry you, Dot and Buster are having these problems. I really think some cats have personality problems just like some humans do. We got Demi when she was only 5 weeks old, have treated her like the little princess she is for the last 9 years, but during that entire time she has lived under a bed and fled from us whenever we approach her even for pettin's. It breaks my heart when I think about all she's missed in her life, but there never was anything that we could do to change her. That's one of the reasons I was so upset when Sammy started living under my bed when we got Tayla - I *DID NOT* want to have another cat who lives her life in fear and alone, it would have broken my heart to see me outgoing lovable little Sammy end up like that, because that is *NOT* her natural personality!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Takayuki - 10 Aug 2007 21:13 GMT >I don't know what to tell you, Tak, except I'm sorry you, Dot and Buster are >having these problems. I really think some cats have personality problems [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >me outgoing lovable little Sammy end up like that, because that is *NOT* her >natural personality! I've often thought that Demi is just naturally self-selected to be a hidey-cat. Before you got Demi as a 5-week old, didn't she have a pretty traumatic under-the-car ride? Unless I'm remembering a different kitten... Anyway, there she learned - one step outside her hiding place, and she'll be hurt for sure! Or, she hid there so well in the first place because she was born a hider. Also, Bandit didn't accept her as well as she accepted Sammy, IIRC.
But she sounds like she just has that hidey personality. If the buspirone treatment works on Dot, I might recommend that you try it on Demi. :) Seriously though, it is supposed to be anti-anxiety.
CatNipped - 10 Aug 2007 21:49 GMT >>I don't know what to tell you, Tak, except I'm sorry you, Dot and Buster >>are [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > in the first place because she was born a hider. Also, Bandit didn't > accept her as well as she accepted Sammy, IIRC. Yes, yes, and yes! I am always amazed at the things you recall, from years and years ago, that I wouldn't expect anyone to remember. You're awesome, Tak!
> But she sounds like she just has that hidey personality. If the > buspirone treatment works on Dot, I might recommend that you try it on > Demi. :) Seriously though, it is supposed to be anti-anxiety. Do let me know if it does work - I may just give it a try! ;>
Hugs,
CatNipped
Daniel Mahoney - 10 Aug 2007 19:18 GMT > Well, Dot is on buspirone, which is supposed to be a good treatment > for kitty anxiety, and said to typically eliminate behavioral urine [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. I'm thinking that the Buspar ought to help. If it doesn't at the end of the course, you might want to talk to the about one of the other similar drugs. Sometimes animals (or people) just fail to respond to some drugs.
Dan
Christina Websell - 10 Aug 2007 20:01 GMT > I'm really worried about Dot. For weeks, she's kept to herself in the > kitchen, on top of her chair, or hiding beneath it. This isn't her [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. I really don't know what to suggest, Tak. You are doing the best you can to integrate them. I would probably contact the shelter to see exactly why Dot was given up, if the owners told the truth, of course. I would persevere myself, for ages. Let the house smell for a while, it might be worth it in the end. If Dot will never *ever* accept Buster in the house without peeing your house up, you face a harder decision that I would ever want to make. Purrs and prayers coming over the pond for you all.
Tweed
Takayuki - 10 Aug 2007 21:09 GMT >I really don't know what to suggest, Tak. You are doing the best you can to >integrate them. I would probably contact the shelter to see exactly why Dot >was given up, if the owners told the truth, of course. I wonder if it would help, to know? It would probably help to have a bit more history on her if she has to go to a behaviorist. I got the impression that her previous owners took good care of Dot.
>I would persevere myself, for ages. Let the house smell for a while, it >might be worth it in the end. >If Dot will never *ever* accept Buster in the house without peeing your >house up, you face a harder decision that I would ever want to make. >Purrs and prayers coming over the pond for you all. Well, Buster is more universally desirable one, being young, cute, lovable and double-thumbed, but I won't give him up - yet. :) This is going to take a while, so we'll see how things play out this year, and if there's no improvement next year, I may have to concede that the pair-up isn't working.
Christina Websell - 10 Aug 2007 21:59 GMT >>I really don't know what to suggest, Tak. You are doing the best you can >>to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bit more history on her if she has to go to a behaviorist. I got the > impression that her previous owners took good care of Dot. I would want to know if spraying/inappropriate elimination outside the litter box was the cause, that's all. If so, they should have told you.
>>I would persevere myself, for ages. Let the house smell for a while, it >>might be worth it in the end. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > if there's no improvement next year, I may have to concede that the > pair-up isn't working. My heart really goes out to you. It was easy for me to take on Boyfie. Kitty was still patrolling her garden at the time and for some reason she accepted him being there. She never did for any other cat, she would fight them off fiercely. It was a small step for her to allow him into the house. Maybe she recognised his beautiful soul.
This does not help you any, though. I have no experience at all of indoor cats. It's pretty safe for them to be outdoor/indoor here and this probably diffuses anything. "Are you looking at me?" soon becomes redundant when they can disappear into the fields for hours to look for mowsies and big insects. Or a rabbit. And plan how they will get them..
Tweed
Enfilade - 10 Aug 2007 22:29 GMT > >>I would persevere myself, for ages. I am wishing you all the best. I am glad that you are not the kind of person to give up on Dot. That's what she needs most of all.
Many purrs,
Fil
Tanada - 10 Aug 2007 20:24 GMT > I'm really worried about Dot. For weeks, she's kept to herself > in the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > lives in fear and anxiety. Her safe spot is a chair in the > kitchen. Can't we just get along purrs and wishes for you all from the Fayetteville Mafia. Hopefully the medications will help her and she'll see that sharing her Paw with Buster is a good thing. Is there a kitty behaviorist in your area that you can consult?
Pam S.
Takayuki - 10 Aug 2007 21:05 GMT >Can't we just get along purrs and wishes for you all from the >Fayetteville Mafia. Hopefully the medications will help her and >she'll see that sharing her Paw with Buster is a good thing. Is >there a kitty behaviorist in your area that you can consult? Yes, I can get a referral to a behaviorist. If pharmacology fails, we need to try psychology next, I guess?
Kreisleriana - 11 Aug 2007 15:00 GMT >>Can't we just get along purrs and wishes for you all from the >>Fayetteville Mafia. Hopefully the medications will help her and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, I can get a referral to a behaviorist. If pharmacology fails, we > need to try psychology next, I guess? More purrs on the way from my two boys who have certainly found a way to get along despite their differences. Every so often Dante will go barrelling into Stinky and earn a hiss and a smack, but peace reigns here. They are not exactly friends, but they share the house and their toys, and they both know their Mommy loves them. Don't give up, please Tak. I know it's had to see her upset, but sometimes patience is the best thing.
Theresa
Joy - 10 Aug 2007 21:03 GMT Purrs are on the way.
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> I'm really worried about Dot. For weeks, she's kept to herself in the > kitchen, on top of her chair, or hiding beneath it. This isn't her [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. annie_wxill@hotmail.com - 10 Aug 2007 22:33 GMT > I'm really worried about Dot. ...snip> ... Tak, I'm sorry that things are not going as you had hoped. I hope the medicine will help Dot's anxiety. Whatever you decide, I know that you will take great pains to look at all the angles and to do the best you can for both the kitties.
Annie
Victor Martinez - 10 Aug 2007 23:46 GMT > Dot, please accept Buster as your little bro-fur. Purrs for Dot to love Buster soon. :)
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Sue - 11 Aug 2007 01:20 GMT > I think I see why Dot was given up to the shelter - in the six cat > household she was in before, her problems were probably unmanageable. > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. dearest Tak:
Although I read this group almost every day, you know how little I post. You are my kitty-rescuer hero and I have often told sympathetic animal lovers of your super-hero life of caring for a kitty. Betty's story sucked me into this group (I mean that in a GOOD way) and also any fan-club you may be the subject of :)
I was so thrilled when you adopted again but was scared about whom you adopted. Trying to intergrate two strange kitties at once is an awesome undertaking under the best of circumstances and the odds were probably stacked way against you. As you sacrificed monetarily and more importantly your HEART for Betty, you are now sacrificing your lifestyle. You have a right to sanitation, hygiene, whatever you want to call it. This isn't the case of an invalid or immature animal wrecking your home. Dot is UNhappy and that needs to be addressed sooner now than later.
Kitties are sentient beings in all the colors of the rainbow like people. Your little blended family is not well blended, that's all. No fault of yours. Or them!
Dot is obviously an only-kitty type. I had one of those, my greatest bestest and most wonderful kitty. She did not act out when another kitty was brought in, she simply ignored the other to death and made it perfectly clear she was in fact, a squirrel :)
And Buster, I would say right now I would be happy to take Buster from you. He is the kind of upbeat happy dude I need! The apt where I live allows one cat and only one though. And you know what? Buster needs another kitty :(
Dot, I can't abide the inappropriate elimination. There are times where that is what you have to live with and I have, but Dot has issues. They may work out if her life is as she needs it to be but I don't have the resources to address it.
Anyway, this is just moral support for what is probably the unpopular opinion. Keep Dot. Only cat. And Buster is more adoptable (damn, I WANT him) but he needs other kitties to play with.
You just can't have them both. Buster can survive and is being a well-behaved companion under the current restrictions, but is this really fair to him, you want him to go a year like this when he could be playing in a clowder?
And currently you are keeping Dot a veritable hostage of her personality (whim? disorder?) who is showing her displeasure about her current circumstances in the best way she knows how.
You will do the right thing. I have the upmost of faith in you, and well, yeah I will probably get flamed but whatever. As long as we all try to do our best by the wonderful furry souls that do cross the paths in our lifetime :)
Takayuki - 11 Aug 2007 17:35 GMT >Although I read this group almost every day, you know how little I post. >You are my kitty-rescuer hero and I have often told sympathetic animal >lovers of your super-hero life of caring for a kitty. Betty's story sucked >me into this group (I mean that in a GOOD way) and also any fan-club you >may be the subject of :) I miss her so much! Even the most wonderful kitties, and Dot and Buster are that, can ever replace Betty. Nothing heroic happened though. :) The story was, she got cancer, treatments couldn't contain it, and I put her to sleep.
>Anyway, this is just moral support for what is probably the unpopular >opinion. Keep Dot. Only cat. And Buster is more adoptable (damn, I WANT [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >(whim? disorder?) who is showing her displeasure about her current >circumstances in the best way she knows how. It's true that the situation isn't ideal for either of them, but frankly, they're just going to have to put up with it for the time being. I'd be more casual about giving up Buster if there was a shortage of young cats for adoption, which there isn't.
After Betty, we're familiar with this drill - when I'm faced with a kitty problem, I'll stubbornly try various options one by one over the course of several months, until I run out of options. There are still various things left to be tried with Dot. I may even eventually consider putting Buster on sedation to make him seem less threatening to Dot. Although Buster is already naturally plenty sedate for a young cat, and Dot's phobia of other cats is sufficiently irrational that I'm not sure that would do anything for her.
And don't worry, I won't consider giving up Dot. I'm the owner of this problem. :) I'm growing more and more familiar with her issues every day, and I don't want her to start from square one somewhere else. But it's very frustrating seeing a good kitty's spirit crushed by imagined demons.
sam - 12 Aug 2007 20:51 GMT No advice to share, Tak, but many purrs and good thoughts on the way for Dot to "settle in" and enjoy her new realm with a doting Paw, even though it includes a "pesky young-un".
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
polonca12000 - 15 Aug 2007 20:50 GMT > I'm really worried about Dot. For weeks, she's kept to herself in the > kitchen, on top of her chair, or hiding beneath it. This isn't her [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > It's hard enough with just these two. Also, I think she was meant for > me - sort of like an assignment. Lots of purrs and best wishes for buspirone to work, Polonca and Soncek
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