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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Jul 2007 01:17 GMT
There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
my house.

Here's what I wrote to Winnie, who just emailed me to ask about it:

I am fine, but the quake jolted me out of sleep (it was around 5 in the
morning) and scared me to death! I didn't actually feel anything, but I
heard a loud, crashing sound and that's what woke me up. I thought at
first that the cats had knocked something over. Then I thought maybe someone
had tried to break into the apartment, so I got up and checked everything
out, but nothing was toppled over or broken, and no signs of entry.

So then I thought it might have been an earthquake, especially since when
I woke up, I found Smudge cowering in the little space between my bed and
the night stand beside it. So I looked under the bed, and yup, Licky was
crouching under there with shining eyes. Poor kitties! Only Roxy continued
to sleep blissfully, my little Zen master kitty. :)

I didn't find out for sure until several hours later when I got online
and had received messages from my neighborhood email list about the quake.
It wasn't a really strong one - 4.2 - but it was only one km from my
house, so I was practically on top of it. Other people in my neighborhood
had really felt it, too.

Joyce
mlbriggs - 21 Jul 2007 01:28 GMT
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:17:29 +0000, jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt wrote:

> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
> However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Joyce

What is your location?  MLB
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Jul 2007 05:01 GMT
> What is your location?  MLB

I'm in the San Francisco area - earthquake central. :)

(At least for the USA. I probably shouldn't complain about our tiny
shaker after what happened in Japan!)

Joyce
Sherry - 21 Jul 2007 03:35 GMT
> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
> However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Joyce

Having zero experience with earthquakes, that sounds scary. I was
curious, does a 4.2
damage your house structurally?

Sherry
mlbriggs - 21 Jul 2007 04:45 GMT
>> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
>> However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Sherry

IMHO it depends on the structure of the house and how deep the quake is.
I was on the 10th floor of a downtown building when we had a 5.quake
directly under downtown.  That building creaked and groaned and swayed.  I
was scared, as it was a long way down to the ground and I was afraid the
building would crumble.  My son was about 4 blocks away on the ground
floor and he didn't even feel it.  The building had only a few minor
cracks at the corners of the ceiling.  MLB
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Jul 2007 04:58 GMT
> Having zero experience with earthquakes, that sounds scary. I was
> curious, does a 4.2 damage your house structurally?

It depends on a lot of things: how close you are to the epicenter, what
type of quake it is, how long the shaking goes on. Some quakes have more
of a side-to-side motion. Those don't do as much damage. Whereas others,
such as the one in the LA (Northridge, in '94) have an up-and-down motion,
which I gather is far more destructive. I don't know how long the one
this morning lasted. I don't remember feeling any motion - I was awakened
by noise - a loud bang and crash. I thought maybe someone had broken one
of my windows in an attempt to enter my apartment. Or that there was a
feline squabble, ending in some major topplage. :)

In general, 4.2 is considered smallish or moderate. I'm not aware
of any damage to my building, but I haven't examined it for structural
problems, so who knows? As I said, I live very close to the epicenter
of this one, so it was more intense than it would be for someone else
further away.

Joyce
Joy - 21 Jul 2007 06:23 GMT
>> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
>> However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Sherry

If a house is well constructed, an earthquake has to be well over 5.0 before
it will do structural damage.  I've been through earthquakes over 7.0 with
no structural damage.

It is obvious that Joyce, like me, has lived in an earthquake-prone area for
a long time.  A 4.2 will scare people who aren't used to them.  However, as
she says, they aren't really very strong.  I would probably have felt that
one since it was so close, but normally I wouldn't feel one under a 4.5.
Before our last big one in 1993 (I think), I didn't feel anything under a
5.0, but I've been a little more sensitive to them since then.  Of course
I've lived in earthquake territory for 71 years.

Joy
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Jul 2007 22:53 GMT
>>There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
>>However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> curious, does a 4.2
> damage your house structurally?

No, that's considered "mild".  (Scarcely noticeable, unless
you're right at the epicenter - easy to confuse with a truck
driving by.)  They don't start causing damage until they get
up around magnitude 6 or so.

> Sherry
Sherry - 22 Jul 2007 00:05 GMT
On Jul 21, 4:53 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
> >>However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> driving by.)  They don't start causing damage until they get
> up around magnitude 6 or so.

Sorry to keep bugging you...but I'm just really curious about this.
So, like our house for example,
over the years the foundation has shifted and we had cracks appear in
the hall ceiling. I was thinking, that's what
an earthquake really is...the ground shifts. Are the houses in S.F.
and other EQ-prone areas, built
special? To prevent damage to the foundation?

Sherry
Jack Campin - bogus address - 22 Jul 2007 13:05 GMT
> Are the houses in S.F. and other EQ-prone areas, built special?
> To prevent damage to the foundation?

I grew up in New Zealand, which is one big earthquake zone.  The usual
way houses are built there is on concrete piles, like thick fenceposts.
The house is a wooden box balanced on top of them.  They resist a quake
in the same way that a boat resists the waves.  The design has worked
well over the years -  the last really severe damage was the Napier
earthquake of 1931: http://wvwv.essortment.com/napierearthquak_refl.htm ,
though no building could be expected to stand up to a repeat of that.

This reminds me.  I have some very interesting never-published photos
of the Quetta earthquake of 1935, before and after (my girlfriend's
mother was born there, her grandfather probably took them).  Once I get
a new site I'll upload them.

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Takayuki - 21 Jul 2007 07:42 GMT
>I didn't find out for sure until several hours later when I got online
>and had received messages from my neighborhood email list about the quake.
>It wasn't a really strong one - 4.2 - but it was only one km from my
>house, so I was practically on top of it. Other people in my neighborhood
>had really felt it, too.

A few years ago, there was a 3.6 earthquake centered on the sea off
the coast of Massachusetts.  I remember I felt the ground shake as
though a tank had driven by.  I'd never felt an earthquake before, but
I was immediately sure that's what it was, because the neighborhood
was otherwise completely quiet.
Cantate - 21 Jul 2007 08:26 GMT
Glad it wasn't big.  Those California faults need to let off steam
every once in a while so you don't get a big one.

Do your cats sit there and look at you as if they are saying, "Make it
stop"?  Mine do.

Cantate
Joy - 21 Jul 2007 08:37 GMT
> Glad it wasn't big.  Those California faults need to let off steam
> every once in a while so you don't get a big one.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Cantate

If I don't make it stop, my cats run out of the room.  When we had our last
big one, they ran out of the house, and I didn't see them for several hours.

Joy
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Jul 2007 19:19 GMT
> Do your cats sit there and look at you as if they are saying, "Make it
> stop"?  Mine do.

After the loud noise woke me up, I turned on the light to find Smudge
crouching in the little space between the bed and the nightstand. When
I said her name, she stepped out a little and looked up at me as though
to say, "Mom, what was THAT??"

Licky was under the bed with big, glowing eyes. Roxy snoozed peacefully
throughout the proceedings.

Joyce
jmcquown - 21 Jul 2007 15:45 GMT
>> I didn't find out for sure until several hours later when I got
>> online and had received messages from my neighborhood email list
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I was immediately sure that's what it was, because the neighborhood
> was otherwise completely quiet.

Back in 1976 there was a quake along the New Madrid about a hundred miles
north of Memphis.  It was a biggie, 6.9 or so.  I was walking down the
hallway in my parents' home when suddenly I was jolted slightly off balance.
I looked and the lamp on my nightstand was swaying back and forth.  Mom was
up in Ohio for her fathers' funeral and Dad and I were home alone.  We
called her and she didn't believe us.  LOL  Then Dad proceeded to tell me to
pack a bag so we could go to a shelter because of aftershocks.  Um, Dad, you
can't run from an earthquake.  It's not like a tornado; they'll be at the
shelter(s), too.

Reelfoot Lake was formed by a quake here in 1912.  It's a BIG lake.  Legend
has it the ground shook so hard the Mississippi river ran backwards.

Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Jul 2007 20:52 GMT
> Reelfoot Lake was formed by a quake here in 1912.  It's a BIG lake.  Legend
> has it the ground shook so hard the Mississippi river ran backwards.

That sounds very poetic!

Joyce
jmcquown - 22 Jul 2007 00:27 GMT
>  > Reelfoot Lake was formed by a quake here in 1912.  It's a BIG
>  lake.  Legend > has it the ground shook so hard the Mississippi
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Joyce

I wouldn't know about the quake of 1912 ;)  Eagles nest at Reelfoot Lake.

Jill
Joy - 22 Jul 2007 00:51 GMT
>>  > Reelfoot Lake was formed by a quake here in 1912.  It's a BIG
>>  lake.  Legend > has it the ground shook so hard the Mississippi
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jill

Earthquakes are part of my family history.  My mother, who was 21 at the
time, lived with her mother and grandmother in the Los Angeles area in 1933.
There was a big earthquake, centered in Long Beach, California, on March 10
of that year.  My mother was so shaken that she told her mother she was
planning to elope the next day.  They went ahead with the elopement, even
though she had told.  They drove to Yuma, Arizona and were married on March
11, 1933.

Joy
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Jul 2007 01:08 GMT
>>> Reelfoot Lake was formed by a quake here in 1912.  It's a BIG
>>> lake.  Legend has it the ground shook so hard the Mississippi
>>> river ran backwards.

>> That sounds very poetic!

> I wouldn't know about the quake of 1912 ;)  Eagles nest at Reelfoot Lake.

I totally don't understand this response. :)

<scratching head>

Joyce
badwilson - 22 Jul 2007 01:59 GMT
>>>> Reelfoot Lake was formed by a quake here in 1912.  It's a BIG
>>>> lake.  Legend has it the ground shook so hard the Mississippi
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Joyce

LOL!  I still can't figure it out either!
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jmcquown - 22 Jul 2007 02:19 GMT
>  > jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Joyce

Um... I wasn't alive in 1912?
Sherry - 22 Jul 2007 02:24 GMT
> jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Er..that part was obvious. I kept looking for some reference to
"Eagles Nest". Were
we supposed to know what that means, or did I miss something?>
jmcquown - 22 Jul 2007 03:18 GMT
>> jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> "Eagles Nest". Were
> we supposed to know what that means, or did I miss something?>

Birds... Eagles nest in the woods around Reelfoot

Sorry, I thought it was apparently I'm a bird watcher
Sherry - 22 Jul 2007 03:28 GMT
> >> jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, I didn't know you ever went on birdwatching excursions. I
just knew you had
a bird.

Sherry
jmcquown - 22 Jul 2007 06:35 GMT
>>>> jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Sherry

I own a bird (or rather, she owns me) but I have multiple bird feeders on my
patio and yes, I go on birdwatching excursions as well.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Jul 2007 10:13 GMT
> >  > jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> >
> > Joyce

> Um... I wasn't alive in 1912?

OK... I certainly didn't think you were alive then. But you did bring
it up, after all. Not that it matters, really. I was mostly amused. The
stuff about the eagles was baffling to me, but that's OK too. :)

I just thought what you said about the Mississippi running backwards
sounded cool. Sounded like the start of a Ray Bradbury story or
something - if he wrote about the South rather than the Midwest, that
is.

Joyce
Sherry - 21 Jul 2007 15:49 GMT
> jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> >I didn't find out for sure until several hours later when I got online
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I was immediately sure that's what it was, because the neighborhood
> was otherwise completely quiet.

We did have an earthquake one time, back in the 70's. I'd forgotten
about it. But we live
40 miles from the largest artillery base in the US. They "practice"
sometimes and the
windows rattle a little even this far away. . I just thought
it was them playing with their bombs.

Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Jul 2007 22:58 GMT
>>I didn't find out for sure until several hours later when I got online
>>and had received messages from my neighborhood email list about the quake.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I was immediately sure that's what it was, because the neighborhood
> was otherwise completely quiet.

I think earthquakes CAN happen ANYWHERE, it's just that some
areas of the world lie on more active fault lines.  (The
worst quake in the U.S. was in Missouri somewhere, back in
the early 1800's.)
Cantate - 22 Jul 2007 01:45 GMT
Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
here; the buildings that collapsed in Niigata were mostly over 50
years old. (Of course, any building will tip or break down if shaken
too hard-- or if there's a fault right under it!)

The building code in Tokyo went into effect in the 1970's.  I'm not
sure what all is involved, but concrete structures are reinforced by
flexible steel rods running through the concrete, which are supposed
to make the building sway with the "flow" of the earthquake rather
than bending, and they sway in an S shape, direction depending on the
direction and sound frequency (Hertz) of the quake.  Wooden structures
already do this, but the S-bend that the earthquake produces in some
houses (which are not tall enough to do the whole S) will collapse the
first floor.  So in a two-story house, you're actually safer on the
second floor, which
is why most of our houses have bedrooms on the second floor.

Cantate
Joy - 22 Jul 2007 03:00 GMT
> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Cantate

When I went to Australia for the first time, I was amazed at all the brick
buildings I saw in Sydney.  There are virtually no brick buildings in
Southern California, unless they are very old.  This is because of building
regulations to make buildings earthquake-safe.  My Dad described the
aftermath of the Long Beach quake of 1933 this way:  "The stucco buildings
had cracked plaster; the wood frame buildings had slid off their
foundations; the brick buildings were nothing but a pile of bricks."

Joy
jofirey - 22 Jul 2007 03:55 GMT
> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Cantate

When we lived in Anchorage AK in 1970, there was a new hotel built to
earthquake standards,  and the bar was on the top floor.

Some loved it and some were scared spitless of it, but it swayed with every
little earth tremor.  Anchorage got lots of minor quakes while we lived
there.  They usually came from the same direction, south east, and they
sounded like a jet coming in for a landing, only the flight path wasn't in
that direction.  You could always hear them coming before you felt them.

Jo
jmcquown - 22 Jul 2007 11:13 GMT
>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Jo

The Twin Towers were built to sway.  That's why some of us didn't think
they'd actually collapse.  Looked like they were just swaying.  Then, of
course, oh my god.

Jill
badwilson - 22 Jul 2007 12:11 GMT
>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Jill

Have you got broadband?  You might find this movie interesting:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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jmcquown - 22 Jul 2007 16:31 GMT
>>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Have you got broadband?  You might find this movie interesting:
> http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Don't see anything but a manger scene... and I'm not a Christian.
Sherry - 22 Jul 2007 22:31 GMT
> >>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
> >>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Click on "play", Jill. Non-Christians are allowed to watch it. Really.
MaryL - 23 Jul 2007 01:35 GMT
>>>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Don't see anything but a manger scene... and I'm not a Christian.

You need to click on the button to the left to play the movie.  It's not a
"Christian" film, either.  In fact, the commentator blames religious
institutions for many of our problems.  So, you didn't catch the impact if
all you saw was a manger scene.

MaryL
badwilson - 23 Jul 2007 01:41 GMT
>>>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Don't see anything but a manger scene... and I'm not a Christian.

It's a 2 hour movie about religion, 911 and other terrorist activities
and the banking system.  Very interesting.
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badwilson - 23 Jul 2007 01:47 GMT
>>>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Don't see anything but a manger scene... and I'm not a Christian.

And I'm not a Christian either.
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Sherry - 22 Jul 2007 22:33 GMT
> >>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
> >>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> --
> Britta

I watched about 7 minutes of that film. It was absolutely mesmerizing.
The images were haunting. I'd be
very interested to know more about this -- very OT, so could you e-
mail me a brief explanation?

Thanks Britta,

Sherry
badwilson - 23 Jul 2007 01:43 GMT
>>>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Sherry

There's not much more to tell than what I just told Jill.  It's a 2 hour
movie in 3 or 4 parts.  It addresses religion, terrorism (esp 911) and
the banking system.  I found it fascinating.
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MaryL - 23 Jul 2007 01:30 GMT
>>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Have you got broadband?  You might find this movie interesting:
> http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

These images really are haunting, as Sherry said.  There's something about
the music, too.  Holly ran over and stared intently at the screen as soon as
the music started, and she stayed there -- almost like she was mesmerized --  
for a couple of minutes, then ignored the rest of it.

MaryL
Matthew - 23 Jul 2007 01:53 GMT
>>> Back to the question "Are buildings in earthquake zones built
>>> differently" the answer is YES!  We have very strict building codes
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Jill

A day I think no one will ever forget or can forget.  One of the few moments
in time where the world stood still.
A moment that still lives in our (my)  heart.

Having an earthquake I know how you feel ever time I see a hurricane coming
towards us
Christina Websell - 22 Jul 2007 15:50 GMT
> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this
> morning. However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> house, so I was practically on top of it. Other people in my
> neighborhood had really felt it, too.

But, but, Joyce - had you forgotten that KFC had teleported over to join her
beloved Licky for a couple of days?
That was no earthquake.  That was the earth moving ;-)

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Jul 2007 20:59 GMT
> But, but, Joyce - had you forgotten that KFC had teleported over to join her
> beloved Licky for a couple of days?
> That was no earthquake.  That was the earth moving ;-)

WOW!! How will I explain *that* to my neighbors? :)

Joyce
annie_wxill@hotmail.com - 23 Jul 2007 18:49 GMT
> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
> However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
> my house.

...>
> Joyce

The first earthquake I remember happened during the day when I was
about 5 years old and living in Oregon (U.S.A.). My mother was outside
hanging the washing on the line,  My little sister (about 3 yrs old)
and I were in the house.  When things started to rumble and shake, my
sister and I jumped onto the couch and pretended we were on a boat in
the ocean.  We were disappointed when it stopped.  However, I'm sure
our mother was relieved to see that we were fine when she came into
the house to rescue us,.

I've felt a number of smaller earthquakes since then, but they are
hardly noticable,

The other significant earthquake I experienced was when Jim and I and
our preschool daughter were living in family housing on a southern
California college campus.  The housing was tiny WWII cracker boxes.
To increase storage space for our stuff, Jim put our mattress on top
of a structure he made of 2X4 boards.  Our daughter had a crib in the
other bedroom.

I was enjoying a sound sleep when the rumble and shaking sounded,
Because we were raised up over the floor on the platform, our bed
swayed pretty good.  Jim and I climbed off the bed and got our
daughter out of her crib and stood in a doorway until everything
calmed down. Then, we went back to bed.

The next morning we found out the earthquake had damaged a VA hospital
in Los Angeles and damaged a freeway overpass.  Jim says it also broke
the Seme (can't remember how to spell it) Dam, but I don't remember
that part.

Annie
polonca12000 - 25 Jul 2007 20:58 GMT
> There was a small earthquake in my neck of the woods early this morning.
> However, I felt it very intensely because it was only one kilometer from
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Joyce

I'm glad you are all ok!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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