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jmcquown - 08 Jul 2007 01:46 GMT
Any news about your brother's girlfriend?  How is she doing?

Jill
GaDragonfly - 08 Jul 2007 02:17 GMT
> Any news about your brother's girlfriend?  How is she doing?
>
> Jill

I haven't heard from my brother since Thursday night. He hasn't called
me back. I'm hoping he's called my father.  We're going to visit with
him tomorrow so I'll learn something then. I'm thinking she has at
least made it through the surgery.  Hopefully I'd get a call if that
went wrong.  Thanks for asking.

Julie
jofirey - 08 Jul 2007 02:42 GMT
Jill, I've been meaning to ask all day, how is you nephew doing?

Jo
> Any news about your brother's girlfriend?  How is she doing?
>
> Jill
jmcquown - 08 Jul 2007 03:18 GMT
> Jill, I've been meaning to ask all day, how is you nephew doing?
>
> Jo

Jo, he's better than to be expected.  He's at home at Paul's house and
although he's in a case with a titanium rod in his leg and will need some
rehab, he's okay.  He is in a back brace but hopefully that won't mean too
much.

This idiot who ran him down, here's just *this* list of charges associated
with this particular accident.  Open container law violation.  Driving on a
revoked license. Habitual moving violation offender.  Reckless Driving.
Vehicular assault.

They sent bond at $75,000.  Why they set bond after all his driving
incidents I have no idea.  Why do they keep letting this a.s out on the
street?!  He could have killed Alex.

And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.  So there
will be no money to pay for Alex's medical bills.  And his sister continues
to say he just "fell asleep at the wheel".  Well I guess so, after all the
damn beer cans and bottles they pulled out of his ininsured truck. GRRRRRRR.

Jill

>> Any news about your brother's girlfriend?  How is she doing?
>>
>> Jill
MatSav - 08 Jul 2007 08:52 GMT
> ...And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.  So there
> will be no money to pay for Alex's medical bills...

Here in the UK we have a scheme known as the Motor Insurance Bureau
(MIB). The victims of uninsured drivers get to call on this fund for
recompense. The fund receives its income from everyone who does have
insurance - it's included in our premiums :-( Do you have anything
similar in the USA?

In the UK, it's also the case that although most claims are settled via
insurers, the person with liability is actually the individual.
Sometimes it's worthwhile to sue the individual, rather than contacting
their insurers. If you are successful in your case, then can you not
send in bailiffs to reclaim any "debt" awarded by a court?

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Joy - 08 Jul 2007 09:04 GMT
>> ...And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.  So
>> there
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> insurers. If you are successful in your case, then can you not send in
> bailiffs to reclaim any "debt" awarded by a court?

It isn't terribly hard to get a judgment against somebody when you have a
good case (and sometimes even when you don't).  However, collecting is
another story.  Someone with no license and no money probably won't have any
money either.  In that case, the person suing would be out their costs of
the suit, and wouldn't gain anything except the satisfaction of having a
judge or jury say they're right.

Joy
jmcquown - 08 Jul 2007 13:37 GMT
>>> ...And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.
>>> So there
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>
> Joy

I'm afraid that will be the case here, Joy.  There are what are called
'victims relief funds' available from certain states; maybe the lawyer I
referred them to can tap into some of that to help pay the medical bills
(and legal fees).  Chances are my nephew will just get stuck with the bill.
And he didn't have (health) insurance, either.  It sucks.  And he'll be
months in rehab once he gets that cast off his leg.

Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 Jul 2007 21:02 GMT
> Here in the UK we have a scheme known as the Motor Insurance Bureau
> (MIB). The victims of uninsured drivers get to call on this fund for
> recompense. The fund receives its income from everyone who does have
> insurance - it's included in our premiums :-( Do you have anything
> similar in the USA?

Not that I know of! If you're hit by an uninsured motorist, the money
for repairs and medical bills (if needed) comes from your own insurance
company, and I believe you have to pay the deductible, even if you're
not at fault. But since that hasn't happened to me, I'm not 100% sure.

I wouldn't mind something like what you have - it's a good protection
against the above situation. But maybe it should be elective coverage,
as other coverages, such as extra liability or collision, etc, are. You
elect to pay into the fund, and if you get hit by an uninsured person,
you can collect. You don't elect to pay, you don't collect.

Come to think of it, I think we do have that - uninsured motorist
coverage. It costs extra and is not compulsory.

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 Jul 2007 21:29 GMT
>> ...And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.  So
>> there
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> insurance - it's included in our premiums :-( Do you have anything
> similar in the USA?

Are you kidding?  The closest we have is that law requires
drivers to show "financial responsibility" in order to
register their cars, but they only have to show proof once
every three years or so, and if the insurance has lapsed in
the meantime, how is the government to know?  (Remember, the
U.S. is the only civilized country in the world that does
not have universal medical care for all its citizens!)

> In the UK, it's also the case that although most claims are settled via
> insurers, the person with liability is actually the individual.
> Sometimes it's worthwhile to sue the individual, rather than contacting
> their insurers. If you are successful in your case, then can you not
> send in bailiffs to reclaim any "debt" awarded by a court?
jofirey - 08 Jul 2007 23:10 GMT
>>> ...And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.  So
>>> there
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> U.S. is the only civilized country in the world that does not have
> universal medical care for all its citizens!)

Again, not all parts of the states are the same.  Some states have no-fault
insurance.  So your insurance covers you, whether an accident is your fault
or not.  But nobody gets to sue anybody in those states.  I'm pretty sure
those states have a fund to cover injuries like Jill's nephew's.

Computers and laws are catching up with uninsured motorists.  Now insurance
companies in California are required to notify the state whenever someone's
insurance lapses.

It used to be really common for motorists to buy "insurance" from really
questionable companies for just long enough to get their car registered.
And neither party had any intention of continuing the coverage for more than
a few days.

Also California is getting a lot better about impounding cars without
insurance or current registration.

Still you are going to have some who will find a way to drive even if they
don't have a license or insurance or even a car.

Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Jul 2007 17:48 GMT
> Computers and laws are catching up with uninsured motorists.  Now insurance
> companies in California are required to notify the state whenever someone's
> insurance lapses.

You're right - when I moved to Arizona, rather than simply
switch my policy here, the company cancelled the California
policy and wrote one for Arizona.  A month or so later, I
got a notice from the California DMV suspending my
registration.  (Which of course spurred me to stop dragging
my feet and register in Arizona.)  On the other hand,
although Arizona supposedly has a similar law, I was not
asked to SHOW any proof of insurance to receive my Arizona
plates.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 Jul 2007 21:25 GMT
> And of course, he not only had no license he had no insurance.  So there
> will be no money to pay for Alex's medical bills.  And his sister continues
> to say he just "fell asleep at the wheel".  Well I guess so, after all the
> damn beer cans and bottles they pulled out of his ininsured truck. GRRRRRRR.

I don't think that absolves anyone from blame!  Asleep or
drunk or whatever, if you're behind the whell of a car,
you're responsible for any damage you do. With the possible
exception of having been slammed into by another car, so the
loss of control was not your fault, in which case the other
driver is to blame for it all.
 
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