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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / July 2007Sad bitty news
I caught up with the lady who had the bitty with dragging legs who seemed to be getting better A few days after her report that bitty was moving her back legs she woke up to find she Rosie (the bitty) was dragging her legs again and this time, she wasn't eating and had wet herself So she did what had to be done and Rosie is now running round the other side of the Bridge She couldn't believe the vet through..anyone heard anything like this? She uses this vet because one of them is excellent with cats- a few months ago one of her outdoor cats came home with a front leg slashed to the bone in several places. The vet saved the leg rather than amputating and afterwards admitted he'd wanted to prove he could do microsurgery so he had tried (he did say if he realised he couldn't he would have amputated) and saved the cats front leg (She has some scars and is a bit stiff) he then charged her £200 because he said it had been an experiment to see if he could do the surgery Anyway on the dark day she took Rosie that vet wasn't on and she got another vet who said well there were things they could try and she said no..Rosie by now was covered in her own excrement So the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! As she said you don't really think straight at the time- so in the end, she got an agreement that Rosie would be taken over the Bridge there and then but she wouldn't be there she would wait outside- the vet said that she was so upset she might upset Rosie. Then the vet wouldn't let her take Rosie and said it would cost £100 for a box to take Rosie home as she said "I have duties to my other cats even like food and bills" and through she wanted to take Rosie and bury her in the garden with her other cats she left her and felt so bad about it Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for £75. for Rosie's cremation And in the meantime. she spotted a cat she knows lives in the area and was obviously pregnant so she took the cat back to the house only to find she was what she calls "Another Xmas present" ie she was cute on Decemenr 25th and now she's grown up and pregnant so they didn't want her anymore As she said "Oh well I just have some quiet places in the house" so she went from 7 cats to 8 and now 12 as Momma cat has had 4 kittens Still she reckoned she was up at the moment with resident 13..she has managed to get the feral tom she thinks is responsible for most kittens in the neighbourhood into her shed and he's going to the vet on Tuesday to be parted with his bits and then she'll take him in People like that deserve medals Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > I caught up with the lady who had the bitty with dragging legs who > seemed to be getting better [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I feel so bad for the lady :( That vet needs to have a letter written to the hospital about that treatment!! Like it isn't hard enough? :( She certainly sounds like an angel though. Doing her best for the population. The good lady sounds like a saint and someday the bitty will come running on some good strong legs to thank her benefactress. The vet ought to have a little organic plant food straight from the litterbox though; I'd throttle my own vets if they wouldn't allow us to be there for our babies. Blessed be, Baha >I feel so bad for the lady :( That vet needs to have a letter written >to the hospital about that treatment!! Like it isn't hard enough? :( >She certainly sounds like an angel though. Doing her best for the >population. Medals indeed. God bless the good lady. Lily & her mama  SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time. I caught up with the lady who had the bitty with dragging legs who seemed to be getting better A few days after her report that bitty was moving her back legs she woke up to find she Rosie (the bitty) was dragging her legs again and this time, she wasn't eating and had wet herself So she did what had to be done and Rosie is now running round the other side of the Bridge She couldn't believe the vet through..anyone heard anything like this? She uses this vet because one of them is excellent with cats- a few months ago one of her outdoor cats came home with a front leg slashed to the bone in several places. The vet saved the leg rather than amputating and afterwards admitted he'd wanted to prove he could do microsurgery so he had tried (he did say if he realised he couldn't he would have amputated) and saved the cats front leg (She has some scars and is a bit stiff) he then charged her £200 because he said it had been an experiment to see if he could do the surgery Anyway on the dark day she took Rosie that vet wasn't on and she got another vet who said well there were things they could try and she said no..Rosie by now was covered in her own excrement So the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! As she said you don't really think straight at the time- so in the end, she got an agreement that Rosie would be taken over the Bridge there and then but she wouldn't be there she would wait outside- the vet said that she was so upset she might upset Rosie. Then the vet wouldn't let her take Rosie and said it would cost £100 for a box to take Rosie home as she said "I have duties to my other cats even like food and bills" and through she wanted to take Rosie and bury her in the garden with her other cats she left her and felt so bad about it Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for £75. for Rosie's cremation And in the meantime. she spotted a cat she knows lives in the area and was obviously pregnant so she took the cat back to the house only to find she was what she calls "Another Xmas present" ie she was cute on Decemenr 25th and now she's grown up and pregnant so they didn't want her anymore As she said "Oh well I just have some quiet places in the house" so she went from 7 cats to 8 and now 12 as Momma cat has had 4 kittens Still she reckoned she was up at the moment with resident 13..she has managed to get the feral tom she thinks is responsible for most kittens in the neighbourhood into her shed and he's going to the vet on Tuesday to be parted with his bits and then she'll take him in People like that deserve medals Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I caught up with the lady who had the bitty with dragging legs who seemed to be getting better A few days after her report that bitty was moving her back legs she woke up to find she Rosie (the bitty) was dragging her legs again and this time, she wasn't eating and had wet herself So she did what had to be done and Rosie is now running round the other side of the Bridge She couldn't believe the vet through..anyone heard anything like this? She uses this vet because one of them is excellent with cats- a few months ago one of her outdoor cats came home with a front leg slashed to the bone in several places. The vet saved the leg rather than amputating and afterwards admitted he'd wanted to prove he could do microsurgery so he had tried (he did say if he realised he couldn't he would have amputated) and saved the cats front leg (She has some scars and is a bit stiff) he then charged her £200 because he said it had been an experiment to see if he could do the surgery Anyway on the dark day she took Rosie that vet wasn't on and she got another vet who said well there were things they could try and she said no..Rosie by now was covered in her own excrement So the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! As she said you don't really think straight at the time- so in the end, she got an agreement that Rosie would be taken over the Bridge there and then but she wouldn't be there she would wait outside- the vet said that she was so upset she might upset Rosie. Then the vet wouldn't let her take Rosie and said it would cost £100 for a box to take Rosie home as she said "I have duties to my other cats even like food and bills" and through she wanted to take Rosie and bury her in the garden with her other cats she left her and felt so bad about it. What?? There is no way the vet could have stopped her taking her home to bury, or to charge £100 for a box. She would have been quite within her rights to take her home in a blanket or a cardboard box of her own. Although, as you say, it's not the time we want to argue these things. I am sure, if she wanted to, she could refer this to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons as a breach of ethical practice. Maybe not right now while she is feeling so bad, but later on. Or maybe someone could do it on her behalf now. That is truly disgusting. <Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for £75. for >Rosie's cremation The condolence card would have been shipped right back to the place the sun don't shine. The vet had absolutely NO RIGHT to refuse Rosie's body to come home for burial or to pretend she needed a £100 box to do so here in the UK and I presume you are talking about here. That vet needs reporting to The College, Lesley. Tweed And in the meantime. she spotted a cat she knows lives in the area and was obviously pregnant so she took the cat back to the house only to find she was what she calls "Another Xmas present" ie she was cute on Decemenr 25th and now she's grown up and pregnant so they didn't want her anymore As she said "Oh well I just have some quiet places in the house" so she went from 7 cats to 8 and now 12 as Momma cat has had 4 kittens Still she reckoned she was up at the moment with resident 13..she has managed to get the feral tom she thinks is responsible for most kittens in the neighbourhood into her shed and he's going to the vet on Tuesday to be parted with his bits and then she'll take him in People like that deserve medals Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs On Jun 30, 11:51 am, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > "Lesley" <LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in message > The condolence card would have been shipped right back to the place the sun > don't shine. The vet had absolutely NO RIGHT to refuse Rosie's body to come > home for burial or to pretend she needed a £100 box to do so here in the UK > and I presume you are talking about here. That vet needs reporting to The > College, Lesley. She has complained to the other vet and he got back to her saying he would look into it as she says the problem is the practice has one good vet and he wasn't on (The one she has written to) and she's never used any of the others before (and won't again) but she stays with the practice for this one vet. I am the same, I use a branch of a group of practices and I have heard horror stories about other branches including the fact that one branch housed the vet responsible for the sad case of "Jaws" and another case where a vet resigned because of being urged to prescribe unessecary treatment to animals (so the vet who "treated" Jaws must have been towing the company line) But i've had the same vet since she was wonderful when I went with Fugazi (RB) as an emergency and had to have her put to sleep- considering without having seen the cat, she agreed to tag her on as an emergency appointment at the end of her clinic, then took time to explain, discuss all the options and support me on reaching the conclusion none of us want to reach (and this was the first time and remember Fugazi had been fine the day before so it was all so sudden) and took me through the whole thing without ever once making me feel hurried even through she should have finsihed half an hour before She's been consistently excellent with my cats including giving me over the phone advice free of charge and I trust her totally. I only go there because of her and should she ever move practices I would go with her (Within reason, she's from Australia so if she ever went home.....) I dread having to use an emergency vet Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > She's been consistently excellent with my cats including giving me > over the phone advice free of charge and I trust her totally. I only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I dread having to use an emergency vet//// I have to confess to being the pet-owner from hell. It took me 2 years to find a vet I was happy with in Cardiff and fortunately he is very good at explaining things in depth as well as being very compassionate and kind. The kids vet in London when we lived there, became a close friend and treated them like royalty, and I was still the owner from hell. When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the exam room into the prep area for procedures. Suffice to say, I scotched *that* idea on the head PDQ and supervised any routine treatment by making the vet do it in the exam room in front of me. I'm not proud of my "neurosis" with vets, but I do question *everything*. Ever since I had a *VERY* near miss when a young and incompetent locum vet demanded that he wanted to put my beloved *healthy* cat Daisy to sleep in 1993 because she tested positive for FeLV on a snap test after my other cat was PTS because of FeLV (she was very ill). I refused point blank and got her retested and it turned out that she wasn't FeLV +ve at all. She managed to live for 12 years after that. Fortunately the ER vets in Cardiff are pretty good. There are only 2 practices that have an ER facility. One is the large mixed practice where my dogs are registered, and the other is a designated ER hospital that deals with out of hours for every single other vet in Cardiff. Helen M > When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold > your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the > exam room into the prep area for procedures. Must depend upon the U.S. vet - unless it involved a complicated procedure (in which case they usually wanted a stay of a few hours, if not overnight) those I've used have had no problem with doing it in my presence. (They also encouraged visits, if the pet had to be held longer than a day or two.) >> When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold >> your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > presence. (They also encouraged visits, if the pet had to be held longer > than a day or two.) Our vets do most everything in front of us. Exceptions would be installing microchips and usually drawing blood. Those I'd guess are to prevent the owner from passing out on the floor. As far as holding your animal for treatment, I'd agree the vet should be allowed to use their own judgment. As to the ability of the owner as well as the disposition of the patient. Jo On Jul 1, 8:49 pm, > > leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > >> When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold > >> your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the > >> exam room into the prep area for procedures. .. Jo Firey wrote > Our vets do most everything in front of us. Exceptions would be installing > microchips and usually drawing blood. Those I'd guess are to prevent the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jo We are in the USA. Our experience has been more like Jo's. What leaparduswei (do you have an actual name you'd be kind enough to share) has described has not be our experience except with one (new) vet recently. We've never had a vet refuse to have us there for the few euthanasias we've had to have done. We've never been refused to take our pets home afterward and were not charged for any kind of a box. We were there when Rosie and Cinder got microchipped. We've been there for blood drawing. We've been there for exams and Cinder's nail trimming, When Moxie (RB) went in for an ultrasound, I held her while the vet tech shaved her belly and held her on her back on the table while the vet performed the ultra sound. This includes vets in several areas of the country. However, the new vet we took them to since we've been back in Texas is the exception, Although her location is very convenient, we are seriously considering going back to the vet we had when we were here before just because we like to be there (except for surgeries) with our cats. Also, I don't know about other countries, but here in the U.S. we consider speaking our mind a cherished right. This includes questioning someone who provides us a service and going elsewhere if we don't like the treatment. Leaparduswei, I'm sorry that you had a terrible experience. This is a huge country. It's difficult to make a blanket statement based on one vet's policy. I hope you will understand that the treatment you received is not necessarily the norm here. Annie > On Jul 1, 8:49 pm, >> > leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Annie Well said, Annie! My current vet does take my cats out of the exam room to draw blood, but I suspect she wouldn't do that if I objected. I am certainly able to hold them when something frightening is being done, and I have also been able to hold them during euthanasia. When my mother had to have her little dog euthanized, the vet came to her house, and did it while my mother held the dog in her lap. I would say that a vet refusing to let a person hold their pet is an exception, rather than the rule in the United States. Joy > We are in the USA. Our experience has been more like Jo's. What > leaparduswei (do you have an actual name you'd be kind enough to > share) <snip> > Annie leaparduswei is Helen Miles. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk On 2 Jul, 03:16, annie_wx...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Jul 1, 8:49 pm,> > leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > We are in the USA. Our experience has been more like Jo's. What > leaparduswei (do you have an actual name you'd be kind enough to > share) has described has not be our experience except with one (new) > vet recently. Yes, it's me, Helen M. (And I signed my post ;o) ). The cat in question that I flipped about at the US vet was HRFL who was being difficult because he was protesting at being manhandled. > Leaparduswei, I'm sorry that you had a terrible experience. This is a > huge country. It's difficult to make a blanket statement based on one > vet's policy. I hope you will understand that the treatment you > received is not necessarily the norm here. > > Annie I'd agree with that. It was a particular vet hospital that I experienced it. It's like over here - some vets are good, some are great and some are downright a$$holes.The mogs used a very large wealthy practice in Washington DC, and to be fair most of the vets there were very nice. However, there was one who was just a bit rough when Tiger protested and that was when I clamped down because she wanted to "Take him out back and deal with him".... Nobody "deals" with my cats except me! Sure, they're allowed to treat them with respect and administer medical aid, but no-one "deals" with them! ;o) Helen M > On 2 Jul, 03:16, annie_wx...@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 1, 8:49 pm,> > leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Helen M From what I can tell, vet care in the D.C. area is expensive and a lot of it suspect. Vet techs apparenlty do not need to have liscenses and, well, I've just heard a lot of bad incidents happening in that area. > From what I can tell, vet care in the D.C. area is expensive and a lot > of it suspect. Vet techs apparenlty do not need to have liscenses and, > well, I've just heard a lot of bad incidents happening in that area//// Well I must admit - the vet in the USA diagnosed HRFL with a severe heart murmer and did ultrasounds, X-rays, ECG's etc to the cost of about $900. Then he told me that he had a severe heart murmer 4/6 but didn't need tablets.... My UK vets had never picked up a heart problem with him, so I was understandably devestated, if suspicious that he didn't need tablets. Pandora went for a dental at the same time, and they gave me some bullcr*p about trying to save her rotten tooth with some sort of magic gel instead of just removing the d*mn thing and charging me $530 for the priviledge. When he got back to the UK, I had HRFL checked out by a feline specialist I trust. He did X-rays and an ultrasound and shared his results with me. He even showed me the X-rays and readings - something the USA vet never did. Oddly enough, HRFL Tiger was 100% healthy and there was nothing wrong with his heart! Pandora had a dental... and sure enough, the tooth was removed. The problem is in this particular area where the vets I was using in DC are, there are a *LOT* of *VERY* wealthy households. I think this particular practice was exploiting that with their fancy hospital and fancy fees. They did have some remarkable vets, but the pricing structure was quite frankly, obscene. Helen M On Jul 2, 9:04 am, leoparduswei...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ... However, there was one who was just a bit rough > when Tiger protested and that was when I clamped down because she > wanted to "Take him out back and deal with him".... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Helen M Hi Helen, I missed your sig. Sorry. You are right that that vet had a terrible attitude. I'm glad that you made your feelings clear to her. I would have been upset, too. I'm also relieved that you realize that she is not typical of all vets here. Annie, sending cyperskritches to your kitties .. > Nobody "deals" with my cats except me! Sure, they're allowed to treat > them with respect and administer medical aid, but no-one "deals" with > them! ;o) Our vet has let us be in the room with our cats for every procedure except their spays. --Fil Oh, I forgot Nocturne's hernia surgery. We weren't in there for that either....(clearly as it's surgery) --Fil > We are in the USA. Our experience has been more like Jo's. What > leaparduswei (do you have an actual name you'd be kind enough to > share) You don't recognize our own Helen Miles with her alternate e-mail address? >>> When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold >>> your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jo I held Baggy when his microchip was inserted, he didn't even flinch. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>> When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold >>> your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > installing microchips and usually drawing blood. Those I'd guess are > to prevent the owner from passing out on the floor. When the vet microchipped Persia he had the tech take her in the back "to weigh her". But they actually took her back to chip her. When they brought her back a few minutes later he showed me why. Most people freak out at the size of the needled required to chip a pet and change their minds about the procedure. (He said she was an angel, didn't even squeak.) > As far as holding your animal for treatment, I'd agree the vet should > be allowed to use their own judgment. As to the ability of the owner > as well as the disposition of the patient. I'm always in the room when Persia gets shots and basic stuff done. The tech holds her but I'm petting her and talking to her all the while. Obviously I couldn't (and shouldn't) be in the room for surgical procedures or anything requiring anesthesia. Jill >>> When I was in America, I was horrendous. They don't let you hold >>> your own animals for treatment there and often take them out of the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Our vets do most everything in front of us. Exceptions would be > installing microchips My vet put in Boyfie's microchip while I held him. I'd heard from others that they don't seem to notice it - which I could hardly believe - but it was true, he didn't turn a hair. So I don't know why an owner would be excluded from this procedure. > and usually drawing blood. Those I'd guess are to prevent the owner from > passing out on the floor. > > As far as holding your animal for treatment, I'd agree the vet should be > allowed to use their own judgment. As to the ability of the owner as well > as the disposition of the patient. I have always held my own pets for treatment including having skin stitched on my dogs. It worked well for all of us. If it comes to KFC, I say "you may need a nurse as she will lash out" and I step back, while still being at the side of her for comfort. I'm not stupid! Luckily Boyfie has only had to attend for snipping and microchipping on separate occasions, and despite wailing his heart out in the car on the way there and back he has been a perfect gentleman when he was actually handled at the vet's. As if he would be anything else ;-) Tweed Well I agree, to get the best for your pets you do need to interrogate the vets and have a good understanding of what is going on with the pets health and the types of treatments available and also when to let the animal be PTS. You really do need to be assertive. I've had so many bad experiences with vets since moving to Brisbane. I have met about three I like and who I return to (unfortunately they are an hour or more away from me), but that's after dealing with 10 other vets who ranged from mediocre to utter cr**. Dewi > So the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and > she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for £75. for > Rosie's cremation snipped> > Lesley Yes, she deserves a medal. She sounds like a wonderful woman, someone I would like to have for a friend. The vet, OTOH, deserves to be reported to the Board. That is just crazy! I am afraid I would have made an awful spectacle of myself in her position. I seriously don't have patience for B.S. anymore, and I don't care if it's a degreed professional. He was *wrong*. Sherry I caught up with the lady who had the bitty with dragging legs who seemed to be getting better A few days after her report that bitty was moving her back legs she woke up to find she Rosie (the bitty) was dragging her legs again and this time, she wasn't eating and had wet herself So she did what had to be done and Rosie is now running round the other side of the Bridge She couldn't believe the vet through..anyone heard anything like this? She uses this vet because one of them is excellent with cats- a few months ago one of her outdoor cats came home with a front leg slashed to the bone in several places. The vet saved the leg rather than amputating and afterwards admitted he'd wanted to prove he could do microsurgery so he had tried (he did say if he realised he couldn't he would have amputated) and saved the cats front leg (She has some scars and is a bit stiff) he then charged her £200 because he said it had been an experiment to see if he could do the surgery Anyway on the dark day she took Rosie that vet wasn't on and she got another vet who said well there were things they could try and she said no..Rosie by now was covered in her own excrement So the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! As she said you don't really think straight at the time- so in the end, she got an agreement that Rosie would be taken over the Bridge there and then but she wouldn't be there she would wait outside- the vet said that she was so upset she might upset Rosie. Then the vet wouldn't let her take Rosie and said it would cost £100 for a box to take Rosie home as she said "I have duties to my other cats even like food and bills" and through she wanted to take Rosie and bury her in the garden with her other cats she left her and felt so bad about it Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for £75. for Rosie's cremation And in the meantime. she spotted a cat she knows lives in the area and was obviously pregnant so she took the cat back to the house only to find she was what she calls "Another Xmas present" ie she was cute on Decemenr 25th and now she's grown up and pregnant so they didn't want her anymore As she said "Oh well I just have some quiet places in the house" so she went from 7 cats to 8 and now 12 as Momma cat has had 4 kittens Still she reckoned she was up at the moment with resident 13..she has managed to get the feral tom she thinks is responsible for most kittens in the neighbourhood into her shed and he's going to the vet on Tuesday to be parted with his bits and then she'll take him in People like that deserve medals And vets like that deserve to be peed on by every cat they treat from here to forever. Possible she was too upset, but very unlikely. She sounds like she has some experience with what has to be. Some places there are laws against sending the body home from the vet, once they die at the vet they have to be cremated. But £100 for a box is plain insane. So is £75 for cremation if my memory of currency exchange hasn't gone completely. £ is still more than $ isn't it? I last paid about $30 and that included a very nice box for the ashes. Jo > Possible she was too upset, but very unlikely. She sounds like she has some > experience with what has to be. Actually she's never had to have a bitty put to sleep before, she said that was what upset her the most- she's used to older cats and she said that's sad but her cats have always had a good life at least after she's opened the door to them but this was her first bitty (and she's fostered a lot of bitties including she was proud to tell me two orphaned litters including one where their mum died giving birth and never lost one before apart from stillbirths) So is £75 for cremation if my memory of currency exchange hasn't > gone completely. I paid £75 in total for examination, enthanasia (forgive spelling), and cremation when Fugazi crossed the Bridge and that was in 1999. I also was given the option (at less cost) to take her home but we don't have a garden but the vet was perfectly happy to allow me to take her back in the box I had brought with me wrapped up in a towel. Also bear in mind this was an emergency appointment and because it was my first time the vet pre-sedated Fugazi on my lap so I could hold her while she went to sleep before giving the final injection . Also that £75 included her time when she should have finished her clinic half an hour before and superb care for both me and her by the vet (I think they should have charged me extra for the box of tissues I went through) Please note I use that vet 8 years on and trust her implicitly with my cats Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > So the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and > she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! > As she said you don't really think straight at the time- so in the > end, she got an agreement that Rosie would be taken over the Bridge > there and then but she wouldn't be there she would wait outside- the > vet said that she was so upset she might upset Rosie. > Then the vet wouldn't let her take Rosie and said it would cost ?100 > for a box to take Rosie home ... > Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for ?75. for > Rosie's cremation I have to admit that I'm very suspicious about this. How do we know for sure that Rosie was really put down? I mean, they thwarted her every effort to witness the euthanasia or see the body afterward. And we know that the other doctor in this practice likes to experiment... I find it creepy. > And in the meantime. she spotted a cat she knows lives in the area and > was obviously pregnant so she took the cat back to the house only to > find she was what she calls "Another Xmas present" ie she was cute on > Decemenr 25th and now she's grown up and pregnant so they didn't want > her anymore > As she said "Oh well I just have some quiet places in the house" so > she went from 7 cats to 8 and now 12 as Momma cat has had 4 kittens > Still she reckoned she was up at the moment with resident 13..she has > managed to get the feral tom she thinks is responsible for most > kittens in the neighbourhood into her shed and he's going to the vet > on Tuesday to be parted with his bits and then she'll take him in > People like that deserve medals They sure do! What a wonderful person! Joyce On Jun 30, 1:10 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote: > I have to admit that I'm very suspicious about this. How do we know > for sure that Rosie was really put down? I mean, they thwarted her every > effort to witness the euthanasia or see the body afterward. And we know > that the other doctor in this practice likes to experiment... I find it > creepy. Maybe I didn't get that across properly as regards the other vet. She trusts the other vet totally and only uses the practice for this one vet whom she knows would not have done things so badly and she has complained to him but this was an emergency and the vet wasn't on duty This is the vet that likes to experiment or improve his skills and when he saved the other cats leg, he did it with her consent he told her he wanted to try microsurgery as he hadn't done it before but that he would put the cat under anaesthesia and see what he could do , assuring her if he felt unsafe to proceed he would then amputate the leg. He then went ahead and saved the leg and charged her £200 for the surgery and all the aftercare for which she is grateful (it runs in her family i think she told me yesterday her dad just paid £1,000 for surgery to his 10-year old terrier dog rather than having him put to sleep because "He's family") after all her vet bills must be huge Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > On Jun 30, 1:10 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote: > This is the vet that likes to experiment or improve his skills and > when he saved the other cats leg, he did it with her consent he told [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > leg. He then went ahead and saved the leg and charged her ?200 for the > surgery and all the aftercare for which she is grateful Is that a low fee? I don't know what vet fees are like in your neck of the woods. :) Joyce > > On Jun 30, 1:10 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Is that a low fee? I don't know what vet fees are like in your neck of > the woods. :) It depends upon what you have done, and whether it requires a specialist of some sort. Back in the 1980's, Sir Thomas had a "shoulder" that kept slipping in and out of joint. Since he was still a young cat (about 3 years old) I decided to let the orthopaedist do a tendon transplant. Cost close to $1,000 at that time, and that was more than twenty years ago! (However, Tommy lived to nearly twenty, with no more problems from a dislocated shoulder.) > the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and > she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Then 3 days later she got a condolance card with a bill for £75. for > Rosie's cremation That sounds really creepy. Our vet charged 38 pounds to euthanize Ishmael a few months ago, we held him while she was doing it, and we took him back home straight away. This is not a vet known for being cheap. Something is really not right with a control-freak price-gouging practice like you're describing. I would get them investigated. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 > That sounds really creepy. Our vet charged 38 pounds to euthanize > Ishmael a few months ago, we held him while she was doing it, and > we took him back home straight away. This is not a vet known for > being cheap. I have NEVER encountered a vet who would not allow the animal's person to be present (often holding it), when a loved pet had to be euthanized! (I never had any place to bury the remains, but there would have been no problem if I had requested them.) Of course, I have always insisted on taking the cat to its usual vet - which meant traveling all the way from North Hollywood to Pasadena, when Sir Thomas had to be sent RB. > I have NEVER encountered a vet who would not allow the animal's person > to be present (often holding it), when a loved pet had to be euthanized! I just had a disturbing thought about this. Marion's kids used to have rats. Most vets treated them like any other pet, but one vet they used saw them as just vermin. When one needed to be put to sleep, this vet tried VERY hard to be allowed to just take it out the back and make it disappear. What Marion and her kids figured out was that he was just going to belt it with a hammer or wring its neck, that being cheaper than drugs. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >> the vet told her to go and they would put Rosie to sleep later and >> she said she wanted to be there and this vet would not have it!!! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Something is really not right with a control-freak price-gouging > practice like you're describing. I would get them investigated. The more I think about it, the more I don't like it. Even if the owner was upset and crying it is still better for them to be held by their owner who they love rather than being left alone - and it *is* alone if everyone in the room is a stranger. I would be suspicious. I would want to see the "£100 box" that is apparently essential too. What is it, an oak coffin or something? I am very lucky with my vets. I have been going there since I was a child with my first rabbit, although the first and only vet then is long gone to RB. It is now a veterinary hospital and has moved a bit further away. It's worth the journey. There was always a 24/7 -365/12 service right from the start. It's not cheap. However if I phoned up now (10.30 pm) for an emergency situation with Kitty or Boyfie and I had no transport, I would get a home visit. It would cost a lot, but that option is there from my own vets, not an emergency service. As for the situation described by Lesley, it would never happen. It really does need looking into. I'm appalled by it. It's been on my mind since I read her post. Tweed > The more I think about it, the more I don't like it. Even if the owner was > upset and crying it is still better for them to be held by their owner who > they love rather than being left alone - and it *is* alone if everyone in > the room is a stranger. > I would be suspicious. I would want to see the "£100 box" that is > apparently essential too. What is it, an oak coffin or something? A friend of mine (who owned her own home) had to have a couple of pets PTS, and took them home for burial - an empty shoe box worked very well! (Both were buried under her rose bushes.) >> The more I think about it, the more I don't like it. Even if the owner >> was upset and crying it is still better for them to be held by their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > PTS, and took them home for burial - an empty shoe box worked very well! > (Both were buried under her rose bushes.) There is no reason whatsover why this cat could not have been brought home for burial here in the UK. There is no rule that prevents it. When I knew PTS was the only option, all mine went there with their own blankies, came home in them, and were buried in them. Even if you do not have your own garden to bury them in, there are pet cemeteries here where you can. It was totally out of order. And as for the hundred pound box!! A pure money-making scheme IMO to take advantage of a grieving owner. Tweed Oh that's disgusting that vet... Grrr! I've never heard of such utter nonsense and what a complete bastard! I hope when she's feeling less emotionally drained that she writes a complaint letter about him and sends it to the clinic at the very least. That's really sad about Rosie, but I'm sure she is doing fine now . That lady sounds lovely and very compassionate. It's not often you meet people like that. Dewi > I caught up with the lady who had the bitty with dragging legs who > seemed to be getting better [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So she did what had to be done and Rosie is now running round the > other side of the Bridge <snip> > Still she reckoned she was up at the moment with resident 13..she has > managed to get the feral tom she thinks is responsible for most [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I'm so sorry to hear about Rosie. The lady deserves the very best to happen to her and her kitties. Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek |
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