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Christina Websell - 24 Jun 2007 18:15 GMT
That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
*rules.*
But when I went up to bed last night. Kitty was on my bed, fast asleep in
dreamland.  I didn't have the heart to disturb "her elderliness" so I crept
under the duvet, muttering "this is the very first and last time, KFC."

Actually she was no trouble until 6 a.m, when she started to headbutt my
forehead and purr up a storm.  I said "For G sake, it's SUNDAY, Kitty, now
just bog off.."  and she did!  Went downstairs to wait like a good kitty
should.
It won't happen again. My fault for leaving the bedroom door open a crack.

Tweed
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 24 Jun 2007 18:17 GMT
On 24 Jun, 18:15, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
> *rules.*

> It won't happen again. My fault for leaving the bedroom door open a crack.
>
> Tweed

If you say so, LOL! ;o)

Helen M
mlbriggs - 24 Jun 2007 18:22 GMT
> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
> *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Tweed

TuTu sleeps by my head every night.  Occasionally she snores, but she
never bothers me.  If I sleep too late in the morning, she will try to
awaken me, but if I tell her "no" she will stop.   I find her purrs to be
soothing.  Best wishes.   MLB
Christina Websell - 24 Jun 2007 18:48 GMT
>> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
>> *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> awaken me, but if I tell her "no" she will stop.   I find her purrs to be
> soothing.  Best wishes.   MLB

Ah, but.  I was an unwilling cat slave but they came, anyway.  First I said,
okay but you stay in the kitchen where there is a nice fire.  Then they came
into the living room after a few weeks, so I said well, okay, but be good,
no scratching the furniture and no going upstairs.  They *were* good and
they don't scratch the furniture.
Then they were upstairs in the spare bedroom, snoozing on the bed.  So I
said okay to that, in the end, providing that you KEEP OUT OF MY BEDROOM.
That is my last firm rule.  No cats in my bedroom overnight. This was a
one-off, allowed as it was weekend.

Tweed
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 24 Jun 2007 19:07 GMT
So I
> said okay to that, in the end, providing that you KEEP OUT OF MY BEDROOM.
> That is my last firm rule.  No cats in my bedroom overnight. This was a
> one-off, allowed as it was weekend.
>
> Tweed////

Uh huh. If you say so. ;o)

Helen M
Lesley - 24 Jun 2007 19:09 GMT
On 24 Jun, 10:48, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
.  No cats in my bedroom overnight. This was a
> one-off, allowed as it was weekend.

Oh yes???

The problem with cats is they test rules to destruction!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Dave and me (With Fugazi and Isis): "They're not allowed in the
bedroom"

Later
"Only in summer because we can't stand to have the door closed"

Later
"It's now winter...it's cold and they might get cold as well"

Later
*Okay as long as they don't sleep on the bed"

Finally

"Isis! Could we have some of our bed back please!"
Christina Websell - 24 Jun 2007 19:38 GMT
> On 24 Jun, 10:48, "Christina Websell"
> <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> .  No cats in my bedroom overnight. This was a
>> one-off, allowed as it was weekend.
>>
> Oh yes???

Yes.  Hands up anyone who would have turned off and awoken from deep sleep a
20+ yo cat.  I certainly could not do it.

> The problem with cats is they test rules to destruction!

True!

However, my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.

Tweed
Lesley - 24 Jun 2007 19:50 GMT
On 24 Jun, 11:38, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> However, my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.

The funny thing is having surrendered to the inevitable when we got
Dunzi and Sarsi- we just let them into the bedroom and maybe we got
lucky but..

Their bed is on top of the wardrobe/bookcase (depending on who got the
bookcase first!) and apart from Sarsi who sometimes likes to give us a
sniff and demand a few skritchies when we first get into bed and may
even lie down on the bed for a few minutes until she realises the
problem with sharing a bed with hoomins at which point she gets up and
goes off- basically they go to sleep and so do we

We're even lucky in that they understand weekends. I get up and throw
some food in their bowl if they ask and go back to bed but if not (and
they don't most of the time) they sleep in their place and we sleep in
ours until one of us gets up- they don't demand food at 5am or
whatever..if I'm half asleep Dunzi will sometimes wander past and
request a skritch but that's all

When it comes to bedroom etiquette they are both very well behaved...

Pity about the rest of the time

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
leopardusweidii@yahoo.co.uk - 24 Jun 2007 20:03 GMT
> We're even lucky in that they understand weekends./////

MINE understand the alarm clock! I have to set it when I'm away so
that they get out of bed in the morning for the pet sitter! Mind, HRFL
Tiger has been fully conditioned to an alarm clock for the last 9
years....

And Robbie refuses to get up before 9.30am. Some days he can't even be
arsed to get up for breakfast.

I have very lazy cats, LOL

Helen M
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Jun 2007 21:34 GMT
> MINE understand the alarm clock! I have to set it when I'm away so
> that they get out of bed in the morning for the pet sitter!

LOL. Mine certainly get up when my alarm goes off - I blast a radio
station as loud as possible, to wake myself from a deep slumber (I have
been known to sleep peacefully though quieter alarms). That does get
the cats up and out of the bedroom quickly.

Joyce
John F. Eldredge - 25 Jun 2007 04:10 GMT
> > MINE understand the alarm clock! I have to set it when I'm away so
> > that they get out of bed in the morning for the pet sitter!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>been known to sleep peacefully though quieter alarms). That does get
>the cats up and out of the bedroom quickly.

Cinders got her revenge on the clock radio this morning.  I slept
about one hour later than I meant to because the clock radio didn't go
off.  It turned out that she had rubbed against it and turned the
volume control knob all of the way down, so that it was barely
whispering.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Jun 2007 05:50 GMT
> Cinders got her revenge on the clock radio this morning.  I slept
> about one hour later than I meant to because the clock radio didn't go
> off.  It turned out that she had rubbed against it and turned the
> volume control knob all of the way down, so that it was barely
> whispering.

Mine have been known to sit on top of it where the time-setting buttons
are. The alarm still goes off, but at the wrong time because the clock
has been reset to a different time. This doesn't make me late unless they
reset the time for 22 hours later or something.

Joyce
Adrian A - 25 Jun 2007 13:53 GMT
>> MINE understand the alarm clock! I have to set it when I'm away so
>> that they get out of bed in the morning for the pet sitter!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Joyce

I once managed to sleep through a fire alarm, luckily it was afalse alarm.
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Enfilade - 27 Jun 2007 00:29 GMT
Just because I love cats in bed doesn't mean there is anything wrong
with Tweed's choice.

My mom is weirded out by cats walking over her at night--she wakes up
several times a night when she pet sits Nox (she dares not shut the
door because if Nox walks on her, she wakes up, then goes back to
sleep--if the bedroom door is shut, Nox screams to wake the dead, and
she can keep it up for hours.)  And my dad, who never had a house pet
in his life, had to lie there and take it while Nox groomed his
eyebrows (for almost an hour one night).

I can see how one would not want to be awakened repeatedly during the
night.

--Fil

> >> MINE understand the alarm clock! I have to set it when I'm away so
> >> that they get out of bed in the morning for the pet sitter!
Pat - 27 Jun 2007 01:17 GMT
| ... my dad, who never had a house pet in his life,
| had to lie there and take it while Nox groomed his
| eyebrows (for almost an hour one night).

I love it! ROFL!!!
Kreisleriana - 27 Jun 2007 01:18 GMT
>Just because I love cats in bed doesn't mean there is anything wrong
>with Tweed's choice.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>in his life, had to lie there and take it while Nox groomed his
>eyebrows (for almost an hour one night).

<spit take>

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Jun 2007 01:29 GMT
> And my dad, who never had a house pet
> in his life, had to lie there and take it while Nox groomed his
> eyebrows (for almost an hour one night).

Hey! That needed a BW!! What an image. :)

And obviously, he had to lie there and take it. This is the Dark One
we're talking about.

Joyce
Pat - 26 Jun 2007 04:29 GMT
| LOL. Mine certainly get up when my alarm goes off - I blast a radio
| station as loud as possible, to wake myself from a deep slumber (I have
| been known to sleep peacefully though quieter alarms). That does get
| the cats up and out of the bedroom quickly.

The people who lived in my house when I first bought it were both deaf and
had a bed that buzzed and vibrated to wake them up. No idea how their cats
reacted to that. It would have driven me nuts....
Ketzl's Dad - 24 Jun 2007 19:57 GMT
> However, my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.

The operative word here being "foreseeable."

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Christina Websell - 24 Jun 2007 20:40 GMT
>> However, my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.
>
> The operative word here being "foreseeable."

Until I retire from work, yes. In 2013 at the very earliest.

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 Jun 2007 20:17 GMT
>>On 24 Jun, 10:48, "Christina Websell"
>><spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> However, my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.

Careful how vwehemently you affirm that - you may have a lot
of words to eat, soon!
Pat - 26 Jun 2007 04:27 GMT
| my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.

No one can foresee the future.

I don't know how anyone is able sleep without cats on the bed... I share
mind with usually at least 3 and up to 5 at any given time. If they aren't
there, I call names until some of them show up.
jofirey - 26 Jun 2007 04:39 GMT
> | my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> mind with usually at least 3 and up to 5 at any given time. If they aren't
> there, I call names until some of them show up.

So much is in what you get used to.   I have a hard time going to sleep
until every one is in their proper place.

Jo
Christina Websell - 26 Jun 2007 18:48 GMT
> | my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.
>
> No one can foresee the future.

I didn't say I could. Let's try it like this then:
"For the future that I can foresee at the moment for my cats, my bedroom is
out of bounds"  Or even "at this time my cats are not allowed in my
bedroom."

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Jun 2007 19:02 GMT
> "Pat" <patricia251.catlitter@centurytel.net> wrote

>>> my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.

>> No one can foresee the future.

> I didn't say I could. Let's try it like this then:
> "For the future that I can foresee at the moment for my cats, my bedroom is
> out of bounds"  Or even "at this time my cats are not allowed in my
> bedroom."

Sheesh, she just doesn't want to be bothered by cats while trying
to sleep. Much as I love cuddling with cats at night, I can also
understand not wanting them in the room at times - that's the case
for me occasionally, when I really need to assure a good night's
sleep. Not to mention the opportunity to wake up without a host of
orthopedic problems. :)

Joyce
Christina Websell - 26 Jun 2007 19:34 GMT
> >>> my bedroom remains "out of bounds" for the foreseeable future.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> sleep. Not to mention the opportunity to wake up without a host of
> orthopedic problems. :)

I still get absolutely tired out working again after my previous ca and
recent op in March.  It's easy to say "you should do this, or that" isn't
it? for people whose health is good.
What works for me at the moment is getting as much quality sleep as I can to
be able to work.  If I can't, myself and the cats would be in serious
trouble.  No tuna money.  Nowhere to live.
This means no cats on the bed for now.

Tweed
Ketzl's Dad - 26 Jun 2007 19:54 GMT
> I still get absolutely tired out working again after my previous ca and
> recent op in March.  It's easy to say "you should do this, or that" isn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Tweed

You have every right to defend your choice, and what's better: You have every
right to *stop* defending your choice.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Jun 2007 22:01 GMT
> I still get absolutely tired out working again after my previous ca and
> recent op in March.  It's easy to say "you should do this, or that" isn't
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> trouble.  No tuna money.  Nowhere to live.
> This means no cats on the bed for now.

Anyway, if KFC gets lonely, she's more than welcome to teleport to our
place and visit her favorite tux boy. :)

Joyce
Ketzl's Dad - 24 Jun 2007 19:56 GMT
>>> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
>>> *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Tweed

Sure sounds like an inch/mile issue to me.  :-)

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 25 Jun 2007 05:20 GMT
>> TuTu sleeps by my head every night.  Occasionally she snores, but she
>> never bothers me.  If I sleep too late in the morning, she will try to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>That is my last firm rule.  No cats in my bedroom overnight. This was a
>one-off, allowed as it was weekend.

There's nothing as sweet as a kitty snuggled up against you at night!
You're missing out on the best part of being a meowmie if you don't
let the kitties sleep with you!
Pat - 26 Jun 2007 04:31 GMT
| There's nothing as sweet as a kitty snuggled up against you at night!
| You're missing out on the best part of being a meowmie if you don't
| let the kitties sleep with you!

AMEN, sister!
Christina Websell - 26 Jun 2007 18:30 GMT
> | There's nothing as sweet as a kitty snuggled up against you at night!
> | You're missing out on the best part of being a meowmie if you don't
> | let the kitties sleep with you!
>
> AMEN, sister!

Yes, but you don't have to get up early to spend the day at work either,
Pat.  It *does* make a difference about if/whether I am prepared to be
disturbed overnight.  Like I said, it was weekend and it was okay.  As it
happened she was not much trouble until 6 which is too early for weekend!
but I have tried them a couple of times in the bedroom before, it just does
not work when I have a work schedule.

Tweed
Christina Websell - 26 Jun 2007 18:19 GMT
> There's nothing as sweet as a kitty snuggled up against you at night!
> You're missing out on the best part of being a meowmie if you don't
> let the kitties sleep with you!

It would be different if I did not have to get up early for work, being the
only breadwinner bringing in tuna money ;-)  I sleep badly even on my own,
the least thing will wake me up.
Maybe when I retire, eh?
I did used to have a whippet in the bed when they were elderly and unsafe to
leave alone downstairs overnight, but they would just tuck up like spoons
with me and never a murmur or movement until morning.  It was just the same
shock when the alarm went off for them, as it was for me!

Tweed
jmcquown - 26 Jun 2007 18:23 GMT
>> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one
>> of my *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> awaken me, but if I tell her "no" she will stop.   I find her purrs
> to be soothing.  Best wishes.   MLB

Persia nestles into the curve of my waist with her head on my side.  She,
too, tries to wake me at the crash of dawn by tapping me on my nose.  One of
the phrases she understands is, "It's not time yet!" and she'll curl back up
and go into her snooze-alarm act.  10 minutes, then it's tap me on the nose
again and purr loudly in my ear.  "It's not time yet!" gets me another 10
minute reprieve, and so on.

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 Jun 2007 20:14 GMT
> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
> *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> should.
> It won't happen again. My fault for leaving the bedroom door open a crack.

How can you not?  I had the same rule - the cats always got
shut in their own quarters for thei night.  Once I had
experienced the joys of a feline bedmate, I never looked
back!  (And sincerely regret all those years of catless
nights - which cannot be redeemed, because those cats are
all RB, now!)
Christina Websell - 24 Jun 2007 20:33 GMT
>> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
>> *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> catless nights - which cannot be redeemed, because those cats are all RB,
> now!)

Because I am a very light sleeper, anything can wake me, and because I have
to go to work 5/7.  When I retire it might be different.

Tweed
Pat - 26 Jun 2007 04:45 GMT
| Because I am a very light sleeper, anything can wake me, and because I have
| to go to work 5/7.  When I retire it might be different.

If you never let a cat sleep on your bed, how do you know it would keep you
awake??

I learned long ago to sleep through any form of normal cat activity that
took place during the night, on or off the bed... Including being walked on.
Christina Websell - 26 Jun 2007 19:04 GMT
> | Because I am a very light sleeper, anything can wake me, and because I
> have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> you
> awake??

I have done, several times.  I was hoping for the "whippet effect" which was
peaceful, silent, yet comforting.  Purring keeps me awake.
My choice, atm, is me upstairs, cats downstairs overnight when I need to get
an uninterrupted nights sleep to work the next day.
They do not seem to mind.  Lots of comfy beds.

Tweed
jmcquown - 27 Jun 2007 12:08 GMT
>>> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one
>>> of my *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Tweed

Ah, but many times Persia served as my alarm clock when I'd tried to
convince myself I should just stay in bed ;)  If nothing else, I had to get
up to feed her (she's on the 6AM/6PM schedule) and scoop out her litter box.
And since I was already awake, what the hell, may as well have a shower and
go to work!

Jill
Adrian - 24 Jun 2007 20:22 GMT
> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of
> my *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> crack.
> Tweed

Famous last words......... ;o)
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Jun 2007 21:43 GMT
> Actually she was no trouble until 6 a.m, when she started to headbutt my
> forehead and purr up a storm.  I said "For G sake, it's SUNDAY, Kitty, now
> just bog off.."  and she did!  Went downstairs to wait like a good kitty
> should.
> It won't happen again. My fault for leaving the bedroom door open a crack.

I usually let my cats sleep with me at night. There will be anywhere
between one and three on the bed when I wake up. They usually don't wake
me up, except when Roxy sometimes wants a cuddle session very early in
the morning, say 4 or 5 AM. She'll climb on me and headbutt my face and
purr at me for about 15 minutes or so. I find it very sweet and relaxing,
even if she did wake me up to do it. :) I go right back to sleep when she's
done.

The only thing that really disturbs my sleep is when Smudge decides to
stand by my head and meow loudly at the window. I guess this means she
wants to go outside, but it's extremely annoying. I don't let her out,
even though it's morning, because I don't want her getting the idea that
howling at my head in the early hours is a productive activity!

She doesn't do it very often, thankfully. When she does, it results in
her, along with anyone else who's innocently sleeping on the bed, getting
booted out until I get up. I have to shut them all out, otherwise they
get shut *in*, and that's not good. (Although occasionally I'll shut Roxy
in - she just sleeps until I get up.)

Ah, the politics of cats and beds.

Joyce
Christina Websell - 24 Jun 2007 23:01 GMT
> > Actually she was no trouble until 6 a.m, when she started to headbutt my
> > forehead and purr up a storm.  I said "For G sake, it's SUNDAY, Kitty,
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Ah, the politics of cats and beds.

I find it easier for my bedroom to be a "no cat zone" and after this brief
hiccup, so it will remain.

Tweed
Enfilade - 25 Jun 2007 01:23 GMT
Dylan doesn't sleep well WITHOUT a cat in bed.  Usually he prefers a
head nox, since she likes to sleep on his head.  However, we have also
had head kumanis and head tyches (though hip tyche is more common).
Smokey knows the bed belongs to Nocturne, and he sleeps on our feet
when he feels brave.

--Fil

> I find it easier for my bedroom to be a "no cat zone" and after this brief
> hiccup, so it will remain.
Karen - 25 Jun 2007 02:31 GMT
> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of
> my *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Tweed

Well, she IS about 200 year old in kitty time. I think she deserves a
few perks.
Suz - 25 Jun 2007 15:21 GMT
On Jun 24, 12:15?pm, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> That I wouldn't ever have a cat in my bedroom overnight.  It's one of my
> *rules.*
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Tweed

When I was a child we had a semi feral cat that used to jump on me and
scratch me so that my calling my mom to get him out of my room. He
used to pee on my pillow too.

Because of him, Sam, having a cat in my bed was scary.

Spicey was only 8 weeks when she adopted me so I knew she needed to be
close to me. We played bedmice and bonded. She usually sleeps near me
part of the night, either on my bed or in my wheelchair by my bed. Now
I miss her when she sleeps somewhere else.

Suz&Spicey
Jack Campin - bogus address - 25 Jun 2007 16:01 GMT
[having cats on your bed]
> Spicey was only 8 weeks when she adopted me so I knew she needed to be
> close to me. We played bedmice and bonded. She usually sleeps near me
> part of the night, either on my bed or in my wheelchair by my bed. Now
> I miss her when she sleeps somewhere else.

We haven't often closed the door on our cats, so we've usually had one
or two sleeping with us (only had six of them in the bed a few times).
The one period when I kept a cat out of the bedroom was when Muriel was
young - she used to like waking me up by extending a paw under the duvet
to attack my toes or fingers.  So after a few weeks of sleeping dead
centre of the bed with the duvet spread out as far as possible to be out
of her reach, I kept her out.  The result was a fusillade of thumps and
scratches on the door at dawn which woke me up just as effectively (glass
door - imagine what it sounded like being clawed), but after a while she
gave up, I let her back in, and she didn't attack my toes again (often).

What happened once we had more cats was fearsome territorial battles
over the pillow.  For some reason this is the highest-status perch in
the house, particularly when we were using it (we use a bolster so
there's plenty of room).  For years Ishmael would beat off any other
cat who ventured onto it, and only let his guard down when he became
terminally ill.  Then it became a double act, with him and Muriel
beating off any other claimants together.  Now he's gone, the usual
sleeping arrangement is Muriel above my head like a hat, Ishtar beside
Marion, and Chloe and Splodge at the foot of the bed.  We sometimes
wake up in extraordinary positions after being unconsciously edged
around the bed by cats deciding to try somewhere new.

I used to draw the line at having a cat on my lap when I was at the
computer but Splodge is proofreading this for me right now.  I can
sometimes have him one one thigh and Muriel on the other.

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