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Jake Update.  Need E Collar help!

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jofirey - 22 Jun 2007 04:15 GMT
Jake has been to vet, had surgery for a laceration on his belly, two teeth
out, and is home doing "as well as can be expected"

But, a few minutes he took the e collar off, like on his very first try.

Charlie will help me get it back on him, but any suggestions?

I seem to remember advice on keeping one of these on a cat.

Thank you all for all the purrs.  But please keep them coming.

Jo
Marina - 22 Jun 2007 05:23 GMT
> Jake has been to vet, had surgery for a laceration on his belly, two teeth
> out, and is home doing "as well as can be expected"
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>
> Thank you all for all the purrs.  But please keep them coming.

Poor Jake. Many purrs continuing. I don't have any advice on the collar,
just to make it as tight as possible without strangling the cat. How
does it fasten? The one I borrowed from my sister has clips along the
side of the cone so you can make it larger or smaller, and then there
are loops along the neckline where you can thread a ribbon to tie around
the cat's neck.

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Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

Inge Grotjahn - 22 Jun 2007 05:39 GMT
Am 22.06.2007 schrieb jofirey:

> But, a few minutes he took the e collar off, like on his very first try.
>
> Charlie will help me get it back on him, but any suggestions?

Have a look here:
http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/owlop/e_page-0003.html

Under the 'stocking' is a peace of a pampers, which covers the wound.
And because the paws are 'in' the stocking, it can't be removed by the
cat.

Purrs for Jake's speedy and full recovery are coming over from
Inge and the catgang
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jofirey - 22 Jun 2007 07:20 GMT
> Am 22.06.2007 schrieb jofirey:
>
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> Purrs for Jake's speedy and full recovery are coming over from
> Inge and the catgang

Hmmmm.  Trying to think if that will work here.  Maybe.

His wound is so far back on his belly, I'm not sure.

But what we are doing now isn't working.

The collar they put on him is tied with a piece of nylon stocking.  I'm
guessing it stretched after the vet put the collar on making it easy for
Jake to get it off.  It's currently back on and staying put for now.

Off to the store in the morning to look for more ideas.  \\

Jo
dberry@mitre.org - 22 Jun 2007 15:21 GMT
> "Inge Grotjahn" <i...@gwsystems.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> The collar they put on him is tied with a piece of nylon stocking.  I'm
> guessing it stretched after the vet put the collar on making it easy for
> Jake to get it off.  It's currently back on and staying put for now.
<snip>

One of my kitties had to wear a soft e-collar.  It was very funny
because it looked like a blue clown ruffle around her neck.  Of course
we didn't laugh at her :-).  The vet used a piece of unrolled rolled
gauze to
tie it on.  Didn't stretch much.  It all worked well for Daisy.

Debbie
jofirey - 22 Jun 2007 15:53 GMT
>> "Inge Grotjahn" <i...@gwsystems.com> wrote in message
> <snip>
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>
> Debbie

Sounds like it would look funny but maybe feel better than the hard collar.

For what it worth, the collar is still on this morning.

Now I'm tearing my hair out trying to figure out how this happened.

We thought going in that a foxtail had worked its way through the skin.  And
I was feeling terrible about that because I'm usually very careful to go
over all the animals for stickers and foxtails every day.  Partly for their
safety and comfort.  Partly because the vet bill for a foxtail up the nose
or in the eye can be brutal.  And partly because if I don't get them first
the cats like to groom them out on my bed.

But is wasn't.  It was a laceration on the aft part of his belly.  And
sideways, not lengthwise like you would think if he was climbing or got
stuck somewhere.  And I know from past adventures that cats really do have
very tough skin.  And usually will heal up quickly.  That's why they tend to
get abscesses.

Now for the vet.  We waited till yesterday morning and called out regular
vet.  The office is closed for vacation.  !!

So back to call the "emergency" vet.  As in the only one in the area that
has someone on call that will come in at night.  They are booked for the day
but if we come in at 11:30 they will fit us in for an additional $35.00 fee.
Huh?

But it isn't like we have a choice right? A little latter they called back
and said to come in at 10.  We were lucky I think.  We got the older vet
that owns the place.  So he can do what he wants and charge what he wants.
And he remembers us and likes us well enough.

He tells us what he needs to do, gets a medical history on Jake.  (injured
mouth, heart murmur, etc) and gives him a once over.  Two teeth look pretty
bad so we agreed that they should come out now rather than have to knock him
out again in a month or so.  But only if he is doing OK under the
anesthetic.  And blood work first to make sure kidneys and liver are working
OK

Total bill for exam, repair laceration, remove two teeth, clean and polish
the rest of the teeth, extra time under anesthetic and medications was $580.

I'd bet it would have been higher if one of his young associates has been
doing the billing.  Thought it was pretty reasonable under the
circumstances.

Please keep the calming and healing purrs coming.  I think Jake and Charlie
and I are going to need them.

Jake has already demonstrated that he can jump from the floor up on the
kitchen counter.  Damn cat.  That means he has to stay in the "infirmary"
bedroom even more to keep him out of trouble.  He gets on one side of the
door and complains.  Molly and Kayla get on the other side and worry and
commiserate.

Jo
Karen - 22 Jun 2007 16:25 GMT
Is that 580 USD? I mean, that is a STEAL for surgery like that with
bloodwork and all. I sure hope he gets over it soon. Poor guy. I bet he
jumped on something outside that sliced him.

>>> "Inge Grotjahn" <i...@gwsystems.com> wrote in message
>> <snip>
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>
> Jo
jofirey - 22 Jun 2007 17:50 GMT
> Is that 580 USD? I mean, that is a STEAL for surgery like that with
> bloodwork and all. I sure hope he gets over it soon. Poor guy. I bet he
> jumped on something outside that sliced him.

That's what I thought.  Especially since we got a dental out of it too.  Not
just USD but California USD.  Granted no XRays were involved.

I just can't figure out what would slice him that direction.  And given his
penchant for finding hidey holes he could have even managed inside.

But it just isn't easy for something to slice a cat.

Jo
Karen - 22 Jun 2007 23:24 GMT
>> Is that 580 USD? I mean, that is a STEAL for surgery like that with
>> bloodwork and all. I sure hope he gets over it soon. Poor guy. I bet he
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>
> Jo

I think it just takes a bit of bad luck actually. Did the doc have any
ideas of what it looked like?
jofirey - 23 Jun 2007 02:38 GMT
>>> Is that 580 USD? I mean, that is a STEAL for surgery like that with
>>> bloodwork and all. I sure hope he gets over it soon. Poor guy. I bet he
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> I think it just takes a bit of bad luck actually. Did the doc have any
> ideas of what it looked like?

Not really.  He was sure he was going after a foxtail.  And I think
infection had messed up details pretty well.

Jo
Marina - 23 Jun 2007 04:37 GMT
>>> But it just isn't easy for something to slice a cat.
>>>
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> Not really.  He was sure he was going after a foxtail.  And I think
> infection had messed up details pretty well.

Ow ow. Poor Jake. We are purring hard for him.

What is a foxtail?

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Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

jofirey - 23 Jun 2007 05:30 GMT
>>>> But it just isn't easy for something to slice a cat.
>>>>
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>
> What is a foxtail?

Seed pod from several types of grass and I think barley.  They cause a lot
of problems for dogs and cats as well as wild animals

http://www.intranet.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/dogs/foxtails.html

Jo
Marina - 23 Jun 2007 05:35 GMT
>> Ow ow. Poor Jake. We are purring hard for him.
>>
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>
> http://www.intranet.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/dogs/foxtails.html

Oh, I see. I thought it was a specific plant. Our grasses maybe don't
have enough time to develop such hard foxtails that they would be a
hazard, the season is so short up here. At least I haven't heard that
they would be dangerous here. Dog owners may know more about that than I do.

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Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

Sherry - 22 Jun 2007 19:48 GMT
> <dbe...@mitre.org> wrote in message
>
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>
> Jo-

$580 sounds *very* reasonable. I always thought cats had very thin
skin. Or that's what a
vet tech told me once when she sliced Biskit open shaving her for
surgery. Anyway, I bet their
fur protects the skin a lot.
Hope your little furry patient heals quickly & without complication.
Sounds like you have a 3-ring
circus going on at your house. :-)

Sherry

Sherry
mlbriggs - 22 Jun 2007 19:49 GMT
>>> "Inge Grotjahn" <i...@gwsystems.com> wrote in message
>> <snip>
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>
> Jo

Oh, brother!  You have my deepest sympathy.  Purrs for all to be well and
happy again.   MLB
Marina - 22 Jun 2007 07:46 GMT
> Have a look here:
> http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/owlop/e_page-0003.html
>
> Under the 'stocking' is a peace of a pampers, which covers the wound.
>  And because the paws are 'in' the stocking, it can't be removed by
> the cat.

Mir had a stocking like that when she was speyed:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1365106460058511339CKvZfi

She kept pulling at it, though, so she also had to wear a collar. Poor
baby, she was so unhappy those few days, but she got over it immediately
after I'd removed the stocking.

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Sherry - 22 Jun 2007 07:22 GMT
> Jake has been to vet, had surgery for a laceration on his belly, two teeth
> out, and is home doing "as well as can be expected"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jo

Oh, poor Jake. Sounds like he's having a rough time. Hope he
recovers really fast. Wish I had some e-collar tips for you, but I
never
had much luck with them either.
Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 22 Jun 2007 18:38 GMT
> Jake has been to vet, had surgery for a laceration on his belly, two teeth
> out, and is home doing "as well as can be expected"
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thank you all for all the purrs.  But please keep them coming.

My vet didn't even TRY, when my Tigrita had to have stitches
for a nasty sore on her tummy!  Of course she HATED the
"belly bandage" he used instead, but after a half hour or so
of contortions after the anesthetic wore off, she realized
she wasn't going to get out of it, and settled down for the
few days it was required.
Ginger-lyn - 25 Jun 2007 23:42 GMT
> Jake has been to vet, had surgery for a laceration on his belly, two teeth
> out, and is home doing "as well as can be expected"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jo

You got it, Jo.

As far as advice on keeping  an E-collar on -- good luck!  I tried with
Merlyn after her spay, and nicknamed her Houdini.  Every time I got it
on, she managed somehow to get it off!  We finally gave up, and she did
perfectly fine.

Only advice is that I have heard of other E-collars that are not the
typical ones made of plastic.  I can't remember what they are made of
(but they're softer), but maybe one of those would be more comfortable?

Ginger-lyn
polonca12000@yahoo.com - 01 Jul 2007 20:45 GMT
> Jake has been to vet, had surgery for a laceration on his belly, two teeth
> out, and is home doing "as well as can be expected"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jo

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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