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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / July 2007Ya'll Have to Hear This.
I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) The orphan babies are sucking on each other in a bad way. I had to separate them. They apparently need to suck really bad. So here's what I did. I made a surrogate mother. I took a carboard tube, and covered it with fleece. I punched two small holes in it, and stuck through two infant nipples without holes, and taped the back to the tube. Inside the tube, I put a small bag daughter brought from the hospital, and filled it with hot water. Just for good measure I put an old watch in there. OK, it doesn't sound like a heartbeat, and it will probably psychologically screw them up, but they are *sucking on it*. And not sucking on each other's genitals. I hated to sepate them. They need each other to stay warm. Oh yay. I love it when you win the small ones. Sherry >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry That sounds so cool. They stay happy and get exercise and everything. How long start to finish is a feeding taking? How often? Jo > >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > How long start to finish is a feeding taking? How often? I've got them on a 4-hour schedule. It takes about 30-40 minutes, by the time you burp them, and massage their bottoms to make them eliminate. Also they have to be cleaned up, and I usually rub them all over for a few minutes like the mom does. Sherry http://www.10000takes.com/MASH4077.jpg Finest care anywhere.... and the best nursing. Keep up the good work.  SignatureChristopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. . : > How long start to finish is a feeding taking? How often? : > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Sherry >> "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote in message in a bad way. I had to >> > separate them. They apparently need to suck really bad. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > up, and I usually rub them all over for a few minutes like the mom > does. Brings fond memories back, this does, but I wouldn't want to do it again (2 hour schedule, mine was.) Tweed On Jun 21, 6:31 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Tweed-\ Christina, the advice I was given was a 4-hour schedule. Even the label on the replacement milk says 4 hours. But I'm re-thinking this. I know yours were ferrets, but they're still teeny mammals. I'm home all day anyway. I've been feeding them closer to 3 hours now. They eat the first 2 eyedroppers full with gusto, then slack off on the 3rd, and by the 4th they're goofing around and not really wanting it. I don't want to feed them too much. Their tummies feel full, but not distended. When you rub their backs, they burp like babies. It is so cute. Also, the little one has learned to purr. Oh my. Sherry Sherry WHen you get a break, you need to take pictures! > On Jun 21, 6:31 pm, "Christina Websell" > <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > Sherry > Sherry > WHen you get a break, you need to take pictures! > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > > Sherry I will, Karen. I know this sounds odd but I wanted to make reasonably sure they might live. Honestly I'm not sure about them. One is eating but is not thriving. The other one is just too listless. There's nothing visibly wrong with them, their bowel/ bladder function seems fine and they're not coughing or sneezing. Sometimes they just don't live, no matter what you do. A few days ago I felt pretty good about their chances, but not so much today. :-( Sherry >> WHen you get a break, you need to take pictures! >> [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Sherry I know what you mean. I know a Foster who just lost one (much older than these). Went from a seemingly normal kitten to bad shape in hours. the other three are getting better. They aren't sure what caused it,. I sure hope the babies perk up. >>>> the advice I was given was a 4-hour schedule. Even the label on >>>> the replacement milk says 4 hours. But I'm re-thinking this. > Honestly I'm not sure about them. One is eating but is not thriving. > The other one is just too listless. Just to be sure, you *are* feeding them a milk substitute formulated specially for kittens? Our Marblecake seemed to feed her kittens a lot more often than every four hours at that stage. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 On Jun 22, 5:26 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address <b...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> the advice I was given was a 4-hour schedule. Even the label on > >>>> the replacement milk says 4 hours. But I'm re-thinking this. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just to be sure, you *are* feeding them a milk substitute formulated > specially for kittens? Yes, I have them on KMR brand because that's what came with them. I usually use FirstBorn because that's the only brand that's readily available here without driving to the city, and they're pretty much the same. She eats well. She actually eats better than the other one. She just isn't gaining weight as quickly as the other one is. Sherry > Our Marblecake seemed to feed her kittens a lot more often than every > four hours at that stage. > On Jun 22, 5:26 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address > <b...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sherry That is what is so hard and exhausting. It isn't a given that fostering bittie anything will succeed. I remember the tension feeding our toy poodle pup. Trying to get some nourishment inside him without drowning him. Trying to provide the right kinds of stimulation, etc. All this while his mother stole the warm spot in the bed while I was up with him. Fortunately I had Sam the Meezer to keep him warm and quiet and to come get me when I was needed. Jo > > On Jun 22, 5:26 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address > > <b...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Jo- What?? I don't think I've heard about the puppy. Did his mama not have any milk? (or did she just not take to motherhood?) Did he survive? Frank is the only one who likes the kittens. He wants to groom them. He just dotes on them until they start looking for a nipple, and that freaks him out and he runs out of the room. He's also Siamese. Wonder if it's a Siamese thing? Sherry "Sherry" <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message >> That is what is so hard and exhausting. It isn't a given that fostering >> bittie anything will succeed. I remember the tension feeding our toy [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sherry A very old story. Our dog had a single pup by c-section. She refused to acknowledge him at all and was even somewhat hostle. Now she was four pounds so you can imagine the size of the pup we called skeezix when he was born. Sam, our one year old male Meezer moved into the nesting box with the pup. I really think mostly to keep him quiet. When his warm presence wasn't enough he'd come looking for me. I'd make up a bottle of puppy formula. Once the puppy was old enough to join us outside on camping trips, his mom would take him on walks, then take sort cuts back to camp to try to lose him. He ended up with friends of ours who just adored him. Named him Kobuk, which I believe was Alaskan Indian for little bear. Jo http://pets.webshots.com/album/559582736KXLrMv >"Sherry" <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >pounds so you can imagine the size of the pup we called skeezix when he was >born. I LOVE the name Skeezix. Have to put that one away for future reference. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh Make Levees, Not War > I LOVE the name Skeezix. Have to put that one away for future > reference. > > Theresa My daughter named a cat Skeezix when she was little. It must have been a book or movie character,but I don't remember which. Does it ring a bell with you? Sherry >>I LOVE the name Skeezix. Have to put that one away for future >>reference. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bell > with you? Comic strip - eons ago (probably before most of you were born). >> I LOVE the name Skeezix. Have to put that one away for future >> reference. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry I think it came from this comic strip: http://home.swipnet.se/roland/skeezix.html SignatureJoey Dee from NYC Remember: It is To Laugh a few Ketzl pix <http://tinyurl.com/2a5u8b> >> My daughter named a cat Skeezix when she was little. It must have been >> a book or movie character,but I don't remember which. Does it ring a >> bell with you? > I think it came from this comic strip: > http://home.swipnet.se/roland/skeezix.html Oh, I remember Gasoline Alley. I didn't read it regularly so I don't really know who the characters were - and the name "Skeezix" definitely doesn't ring a bell. But I remember seeing the strip in the daily paper when I was a kid. Also, I remember the Rod Stewart song by the same name - wonder if he took that from the strip? I thought it was interesting about the characters aging in real time. Most strips don't do that, but one contemporary strip that does is "For Better or Worse". I think that's kind of cool, although it must be a lot more work for the cartoonist. Otherwise, you get the Family Circus, whose characters are still the same age they were 40 years ago! (And still just as unfunny. :)) Joyce > >> My daughter named a cat Skeezix when she was little. It must have been > >> a book or movie character,but I don't remember which. Does it ring a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Joyce I just got a flashback to all these Sunday funnies when I was a kid-- Peanuts, Gasoline Alley, Smokey Stover (Notary Sojak!), Mary Perkins, Winnie Winkle, Blondie, Moon Mullins, Brenda Starr, Terry and the Pirates! Now I'm trying to remember more. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh Make Levees, Not War >>>>>the advice I was given was a 4-hour schedule. Even the label on >>>>>the replacement milk says 4 hours. But I'm re-thinking this. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Our Marblecake seemed to feed her kittens a lot more often than every > four hours at that stage. I thought nursing kittens required feeding every TWO hours? On Jun 23, 12:28 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>>>the advice I was given was a 4-hour schedule. Even the label on > >>>>>the replacement milk says 4 hours. But I'm re-thinking this. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I thought nursing kittens required feeding every TWO hours? That is the schedule from the vet. On the milk replacement label, it says to feed weak, infant orphans every four hours; older, more active orphans every 8 hours. Sherry Sherry > On Jun 23, 12:28 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sherry Just to clarify, the vet's advice was the same as the label instructions; 4 hour intervals. Could be they consume much more at a feeding from a bottle/eyedropper than they do from the teat. Sherry >>On Jun 23, 12:28 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > be they consume much more at a feeding from a bottle/eyedropper than > they do from the teat. I was referring to an article I had read by someone who WAS bottle-feeding a litter of orphans. Perhaps it has something to do with the age of the kittens? Also, I read the article quite a few years ago - perhaps commerical "kitten formula" was not yet on the market, and they had to improvise? (IIRC, "condensed" milk was mentioned, but even that would not be as nutritionally rich as what they'd get from mama - possibly "less nutritional" = "more frequent feedings"?) > I will, Karen. I know this sounds odd but I wanted to make reasonably > sure they might live. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > A few days ago I felt pretty good about their chances, but not so much > today. :-( Rumbly purrs from my boys to the kittens to pull them through this tough period. Susan M Otis and Chester >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry A kitty pacifier! What a clever idea. MaryL >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry Sounds just brilliant! Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh Make Levees, Not War > the hospital, and > filled it > with hot water. Just for good measure I put an old watch in there. OK, > it doesn't sound like a heartbeat, > and it will probably psychologically screw them up, but they are > *sucking on it*. And not sucking on each other's genitals. LOL!!! No, I imagine they will be fine. Good for you! > I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sherry Very clever! Purrs that the babies will grow up strong and healthy. MLB And in a year when they are older, they will need to see a psychiatrist? To see why they are attracted to clocks, and can only fall asleep with ticking? When I was a kid, we put a wind up alarm clock in with the kitty, and it turned out fine. I thought the cardboard tube with nipples was very creative. SignatureChristopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. . : I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) : [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] : : Sherry On Jun 19, 7:15 pm, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > And in a year when they are older, they will need to see a > psychiatrist? To see why they are attracted to clocks, and can [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You can't shout down a troll. > You have to starve them. Both ideas are great -- the kitty pacifier AND the alarm clock. Unless, of course, someone accidentally switched the alarm on and the bell started ringing. In that case, it might bring about the milestone known as "the first time the kitty puffed its tail". ;o) Either that, or after hearing the alarm enough times, it might learn to purr with a lisp that sounds suspiciously like an alarm bell. Try explaining THAT to the vet when it's time for Kitty's First Checkup! :o) Donna, Captain, and Stanley >Both ideas are great -- the kitty pacifier AND the alarm clock. >Unless, of course, someone accidentally switched the alarm on and the >bell started ringing. In that case, it might bring about the milestone >known as "the first time the kitty puffed its tail". ;o) Makes me remember the first time Dunzi and Sarsi fluffed their tails- I can't remember who did it first but they both seemed surprised and pleased they could do this with their tails, they were walking round for ages with their tails fluffed up and looking very proud of themselves! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I hated to sepate them. They need each other to stay warm. Oh yay. I > love it when you win the small ones. Awww. We definitely need a picture of this. :) SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. > I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry We are witnessing genius at work. =o) Something warm and soft that produces liquid. Good invention, Sherry! Melissa wow, you are so resourceful. i hope the bitties make it all the way to healthy adulthood. God bless. Lily & her mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time. >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry > I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry Way to go, Sherry. I doubt you'll mess them up too bad - they likely won't remember. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe Sherry;555254 Wrote: > I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry Sherry, You are SO clever!!! You must have been a kitty in a previous life! And a good Mommy kitty, while we're at it. LOL! I had a little mew kitten who used to suckle on my earlobes... at firs I thought it was cute, but had to put and end to it before she becam too dependent (or I did!). Kudos to your creativity and loving manor!!! -- RudysMom >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry Hi Sherry, Great idea! If I have to raise bitties again, I will have to try it. In the past 5 years, I have successfully raised 3 babies, and lost 3. :( I had no trouble with Tobi and Amanda, but I almost lost Jacob twice - once when he was about 10 days old, and then about 2.5 weeks. Thank god for corn syrup! I fed him at the usual times, and when I went to feed him at about lunch time, he was unresponsive. I brought him home (he went to work w/me every day till he was 5 weeks old), and rubbed some syrup on his tongue, lips and gums. It was touch and go for a bit, but he roused up enough to eat a little bit. I fed him, then went out and bought a feeding tube. (size 5 french catheter) When he had the second episode, I did the same w/the syrup, and when he started reacting to me, I tube fed him. I only had to do it twice, and he as been fine since. He will be 2 years old next month, and he is our baby, brat that he is! He is cute and knows it. DH gave him the nickname HRB when he was 3 weeks old - His Royal Badness. He just came over to see what I was doing - nosy imp! <G> Good luck with your babies! Patti Jona says she remembers being a real itty-bitty and going to work under Meowmie's shirt. She also remembers falling asleep in Meowmie's palm with the bottle nipple still in her mouf so Meowmie wouldn't know if she was done and wouldn't put her down. She also remembers Meowmie and a friend trying to help her understand what a bottle was for and saying to each other, "You'd think two full- grown adults could feed a three-inch kitten without this much problem!" Jona and the rest of the gang send lots of purrs. Cantate > I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry That's wonderful, Sherry! Best wishes and purrs, Polonca and Soncek >I am so pleased with myself. (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry Hi Sherry, I use a product called Petkin Pet Relief Stick - looks like a deodorany stick, but it seems to help. They also make it in a spray, and it has a nasty taste, at least according to my cats. (get it away from us, mom!) It also helps heal, and I keep it around as part of my kitty first aid kit. I have also used it on myself, and it works very well. Good luck w/your babies! Mishi |
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