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Baha - 11 Jun 2007 18:34 GMT
We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned that, on
top of all things else, Jeff had had a heart attack; that was the collapse in
the restaurant. I assumes that is part of the reason they're pumping in
heparin alkong with the antibiotics and sedatives (Brandy, be a good girl and
let Mama type) and they've probably got a nitro patch stuck on his pupik or
some such place. Lucky they were w at this particular place, three blocks
away from  the fire hall and paramedics. Millard Fillmore hospital has a
kickass ICU so i know he's getting some good--damn good--care.

Remarkably they (the parents) agree with us that he needs psychiatric as well
as physical help and are considering inpatient rehab that will include mental
therapy as well as physical monitoring. We have a hospital here which is
excellent in such regard; and as there is concern over bariatric issues (Jeff
is beyond morbidly obese; I do not say it to insult because I'm worried sick)
we know of a clinic in Ohio which provides cardiac and high-risk obesity
therapy along with mental health counsdeling. A friend who went in at close
to 700 pounds is now walking again as a result of what this place has done.
Would it be considered horribly rude to offer these options to Jeff's parents
to consider, do you think? Louie actually wants to take them out to discuss a
plan of action to help Jeff rehabilitate. I did not know until last night
that all his other friends have bailed on him; he goes to a writing club but
they don't call or invite him to outside events; and his programming buddies
have essentially washed their hands of him. No wonder he has psych issues.

I hope to God they don't hae to amputate anything. Seems the cellulitis has
caused such an infection that his legs have a horrific edema, and ulcerated
sores from ankles to the knees. None have affected his feet, but the feet are
swollen bad and look like baby watermelons below the ankles. The sores are in
great danger of becoming gangrenous, if it hasn't already gotten to that
point; his circulation in the legs is very poor and has been for a while.
They're anticipating 3 weeks in hospital, though we don't know yet if all 3
are going to be in ICU; he may need some rehab because of the heart attack or
something, or just get on a diabetic diet and get his sugar stabilized.

On a personal level, this has been my wake-up call. I'm fat too and was 3
weeks ago diagnosed with a tiny pocket of cellulitis around the heel, most
likely caused by a pair of ill-fitting shoes I wore at the Wedding of Pure
Evil last April. Jeff has had chronic cellulitis over 12 years, on and off
again because of mismanagement of antibiotics and failure to stay to the
diabetic diet. I do not want a future in an ICU bed, my heart in the crapper
and the Sword of Damocles hanging over my infected legs. I signed up to a gym
and a nutritionist, traded in the pretzels for celery and swore off Ho-Ho's.
I've only dumped 4 pounds but it's a start; maybe if I can, he can. I just
want my friend back on the right track again; hell, i just want my friend
back and we still don't know which way he's going.

thanks to eveyone for offering their purrs and best wishes. The ypos here are
brought to you be Brandy. who haas been hanging around, tapping the keyboard
and purring like mad. She has always been fond of Jeff.

Blessed be,
Baha
Stormmee - 11 Jun 2007 18:47 GMT
I think taking his parents out and offering to listen is a start, it
wouldn't hurt if you remembered about your friend who got help at the
clinic... I want to tell you why I started losing weight...

I was discussing with DH's stepmother about self termination, His father was
gravely Ill and she was wondering my opinion on the subject.  I thought
about it and I told her I could not self terminate because of religious
beliefs but I certainly couldn't condemn another for choosing the option...
a few weeks later I woke up in a cold sweat, I realized while sleeping that
every bite of food I ate that kept me overweight was self termination one
bite at a time, at best I have lowest 100 pounds, right now I have lost 81
pounds, I am not perfect I make mistakes, it has taken 242 weeks to get this
far but I am secure in the knowledge that I am doing my best, all you can do
for your friend, his parents and yourself is your best, prayers and purrs to
all of you,

Lee
> We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned that, on
> top of all things else, Jeff had had a heart attack; that was the collapse in
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Inge Grotjahn - 11 Jun 2007 20:07 GMT
Am 11.06.2007 schrieb Baha via CatKB.com:

> thanks to eveyone for offering their purrs and best wishes. The ypos here are
> brought to you be Brandy. who haas been hanging around, tapping the keyboard
> and purring like mad. She has always been fond of Jeff.

Purrs to Jeff and all, who love him, are on their way.

And Purrs to you to find the strength to stick to your diet.

All the best from
Inge and the catgang

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GaDragonfly - 11 Jun 2007 21:15 GMT
> We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned that, on
> top of all things else, Jeff had had a heart attack; that was the collapse in
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Purrs on the way for Jeff
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus
Christina Websell - 11 Jun 2007 22:51 GMT
Purrs and prayers for Jeff's recovery.   Such a tragic story of
self-destruction almost made me weep.

Tweed
Ginger-lyn - 12 Jun 2007 05:08 GMT
> We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned that, on
> top of all things else, Jeff had had a heart attack; that was the collapse in
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> they don't call or invite him to outside events; and his programming buddies
> have essentially washed their hands of him. No wonder he has psych issues.

I don't think it would be out of line to make a suggestion.  They may
even welcome it.

May I ask where the clinic is?

> I hope to God they don't hae to amputate anything. Seems the cellulitis has
> caused such an infection that his legs have a horrific edema, and ulcerated
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> want my friend back on the right track again; hell, i just want my friend
> back and we still don't know which way he's going.

That's wonderful.  Best of luck to you to continue on the path to health.

> thanks to eveyone for offering their purrs and best wishes. The ypos here are
> brought to you be Brandy. who haas been hanging around, tapping the keyboard
> and purring like mad. She has always been fond of Jeff.
>
> Blessed be,
> Baha

Purrs still coming for both Jeff and for you.

Ginger-lyn
Baha - 12 Jun 2007 20:36 GMT
>I don't think it would be out of line to make a suggestion.  They may
>even welcome it.
>
>May I ask where the clinic is?

I think it's called the Inn At Conneaut, in Ohio. My friend, also named Jeff,
has had a great recovery there and while he's still a very big man he's
getting around with a walker and has lost literally hundreds of pounds

>Purrs still coming for both Jeff and for you.

Thanks; I don't feel like Jeff knows he actually has concerned people in his
life and has been in an emotional crapper for a while.

blessed be,
Baha
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 12 Jun 2007 21:14 GMT
> I think it's called the Inn At Conneaut, in Ohio. My friend, also named Jeff,
> has had a great recovery there and while he's still a very big man he's
> getting around with a walker and has lost literally hundreds of pounds

Oh, the Jeff who had the heart attack is not the same Jeff who used to
post here?

Joyce
Takayuki - 13 Jun 2007 05:06 GMT
> > I think it's called the Inn At Conneaut, in Ohio. My friend, also named Jeff,
> > has had a great recovery there and while he's still a very big man he's
> > getting around with a walker and has lost literally hundreds of pounds
>
>Oh, the Jeff who had the heart attack is not the same Jeff who used to
>post here?

IIRC, Prophet has posted here very occasionally.  I also know a cat
loving Jeff Mullen.  I'll be sending purrs for his recovery.
Baha - 13 Jun 2007 20:24 GMT
The Prophet and Jeff Mullen are the same guy. Do you know Jeff outside the
board, maybe through some politcal or literary forum?

>> > I think it's called the Inn At Conneaut, in Ohio. My friend, also named Jeff,
>> > has had a great recovery there and while he's still a very big man he's
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>IIRC, Prophet has posted here very occasionally.  I also know a cat
>loving Jeff Mullen.  I'll be sending purrs for his recovery.
Baha - 13 Jun 2007 16:45 GMT
The Jeff with the heart attack is the Jeff who was posting here; my friend at
the medical facility is also named Jeff and has never to my knowledge been on
this board. Sorry to be unclear.

Unfortunately, all the testing they've done so far shows that Jeff Mullen is
not responding to treatment.

Blessed be,
Baha

> > I think it's called the Inn At Conneaut, in Ohio. My friend, also named Jeff,
> > has had a great recovery there and while he's still a very big man he's
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>
>Joyce
Kreisleriana - 13 Jun 2007 16:49 GMT
>The Jeff with the heart attack is the Jeff who was posting here; my friend at
>the medical facility is also named Jeff and has never to my knowledge been on
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>Blessed be,
>Baha

We are still sending him purrs, and you too.

Theresa
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jun 2007 18:40 GMT
> The Jeff with the heart attack is the Jeff who was posting here; my
> friend at the medical facility is also named Jeff and has never to
> my knowledge been on this board. Sorry to be unclear.

> Unfortunately, all the testing they've done so far shows that Jeff
> Mullen is not responding to treatment.

I'm really sorry to hear this. :(

Joyce
Christina Websell - 13 Jun 2007 19:26 GMT
> > The Jeff with the heart attack is the Jeff who was posting here; my
> > friend at the medical facility is also named Jeff and has never to
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>
> I'm really sorry to hear this. :(

So am I.  I suppose you can only go on the road to self destruction for so
long until it can't be reversed.  It's so sad.
I will continue to pray and the cats will purr for his recovery.
Baha, would you like for me to get him prayed for at the Temple?  I could
get my aunt and uncle to do that.
Something worked for me anyway.  Whether it was all the purrs and prayers
here, having the laying on of hands by LDS priests, or being prayed for at
the Temple I don't know what but I am still here being my normal self not
taking fools gladly. ;-)

Tweed
Baha - 13 Jun 2007 20:22 GMT
That would be great if he could be added to a list at the Temple. It's OK if
he isn't LDS? Jeff is a sort of person who thinks more of the strength and
sincerity of the practitioner's belief than of the individual denomination.

I am having a local LDS man who knew Jeff in high school come to the hospital
with me tomorrow. But maybe a Temple thing can get some good mojo going.

Blessed be,
Baha
and thanks

>Baha, would you like for me to get him prayed for at the Temple?  I could
>get my aunt and uncle to do that.
>Something worked for me anyway.  Whether it was all the purrs and prayers
>here, having the laying on of hands by LDS priests, or being prayed for at
>the Temple I don't know what but I am still here being my normal self not
>taking fools gladly. ;-)
Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2007 03:23 GMT
Yes, it's perfectly OK for Non-LDS people to be on the prayer
roll.

At the temple, a temple patron or temple worker writes the
person's name on a slip of paper, and it's put into an envelope.
at the end of a session, we put the envelope of name slips at the
end of the room, and pray for those whose names are mentioned
here. The envelopes are dated, and kept for two weeks. After
that, they are shredded. No one (except God)  needs know whose
name was submitted.

As a temple patron, I've very often submitted people's names to
the prayer roll even if they are not LDS, or if they are not
alive.

Please let us know how the temple trip works out.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

: That would be great if he could be added to a list at the Temple. It's OK if
: he isn't LDS? Jeff is a sort of person who thinks more of the strength and
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: >the Temple I don't know what but I am still here being my normal self not
: >taking fools gladly. ;-)
Christina Websell - 14 Jun 2007 21:34 GMT
> That would be great if he could be added to a list at the Temple. It's OK
> if
> he isn't LDS?

Yes, it does not matter.

Jeff is a sort of person who thinks more of the strength and
> sincerity of the practitioner's belief than of the individual
> denomination.
>
> I am having a local LDS man who knew Jeff in high school come to the
> hospital
> with me tomorrow. But maybe a Temple thing can get some good mojo going.

If you can get two LDS members who hold the priesthood there, he can have a
blessing and be anointed.  I have had this done to myself several times when
I've needed operations, prior to going into hospital.  The first time was
when I was diagnosed with cancer and had been told my prognosis was pretty
dire.
I do not hold this faith, but it was a very special and moving experience.
I wept.
And I am still here...

Tweed
jofirey - 14 Jun 2007 21:54 GMT
>> That would be great if he could be added to a list at the Temple. It's OK
>> if
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>
> Tweed

The laying on of hands and anointing with oil are common across many faiths.

There is power in such things no matter what you believe.

What we believe by faith is such a personal and hard to explain thing isn't
it?  I have doubted many things in my life but quite firmly believe that I
have a guardian angel who can often keep me out of trouble if I just
remember to listen.

Jo
Christina Websell - 15 Jun 2007 18:10 GMT
> That would be great if he could be added to a list at the Temple. It's OK
> if
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> Baha
> and thanks

Well, I have e-mailed my aunt to put it in progress.  I had to give her
brief info about his condition.  She mailed back to say of course, but to
realise that we do not always get the results we hope for; that sometimes
the suffering is so severe that the answer might be "No."  I said to go
ahead on this basis, is that OK?
Please keep us updated on how he is.

Tweed
Baha - 15 Jun 2007 18:44 GMT
It is OK... and it's not good.

>Well, I have e-mailed my aunt to put it in progress.  I had to give her
>brief info about his condition.  She mailed back to say of course, but to
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>
>Tweed
Stormin Mormon - 15 Jun 2007 22:09 GMT
Moved to cardiac unit doesn't sound all that good. Well, keep us
up to date and do what you can.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

: It is OK... and it's not good.
Ginger-lyn - 14 Jun 2007 00:14 GMT
>> I don't think it would be out of line to make a suggestion.  They may
>> even welcome it.
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> blessed be,
> Baha

Ah -- northern Ohio, I believe.  Don't have any info on that one.  I was
wondering if it might be University Hospitals in Columbus; that one I
know about (go to it, and was even born there!).

It is good that you are there for him. And I understand being in the
emotional crapper; not a fun place to be.

Continued purrs . . . .

Ginger-lyn
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 12 Jun 2007 06:22 GMT
> We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned
> that, on top of all things else, Jeff had had a heart attack; that
> was the collapse in the restaurant.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! That's very scary.

> there is concern over bariatric issues (Jeff is beyond morbidly
> obese; I do not say it to insult because I'm worried sick) we know
> of a clinic in Ohio which provides cardiac and high-risk obesity
> therapy along with mental health counsdeling...

> Would it be considered horribly rude to offer these options to
> Jeff's parents to consider, do you think?

I don't know about that clinic, but I do know that weight-loss dieting
is extremely stressful to the heart, so if he does choose to lose some
weight, he might want to wait until his heart is stronger. Was there
much damage to his heart? If there was, he would have to be very careful
about not losing too quickly or in too extreme a manner. But the biggest
risk is *regaining* the weight after a loss, which does happen to about
98% of people who diet. (This is from the New England Journal of
Medicine.) That's what causes all the damage in yo-yo dieting, although
you do lose some heart muscle during the weight loss phase as well -
and it doesn't sound like he can afford to do that.

This doesn't mean it's hopeless, though - he can focus on getting
healthier, by improving his diet and by exercising, as much as his
doctor thinks is safe. I don't know what Jeff's diet is like, but
if it's full of junk food, his health is likely to improve if he starts
eating more whole foods, cuts out the trans fats (and cuts down on
animal fats), cuts out junky sugars and simple carbs, going instead
for complex carbs, whole grains, etc. I know that's not so easy - it
has taken me years to adopt a healthy diet, and I still eat more sugar
than is good for me! I guess, being diabetic, he needs to eat a lot
fewer carbs, and that's a hard thing to do.

Still, I think that putting the focus on lifestyle rather than on the
scale has a better chance of success. Focusing on weight loss is a
frustrating, self-defeating, Sisyphian, and self-hate-inducing activity
for a lot of people. People start exercise programs, and then when they
don't shed pounds right away, they quit because it "isn't working". But
exercise is good for you whether you lose weight or not. So is eating
good food. Anyway, that's my $.02.

Speaking of whole foods, Licky just caught and ate a bug. Got a lot of
exercise in the process, too - you should have seen him leaping!

Purrs for Jeff,
Joyce
Baha - 12 Jun 2007 15:50 GMT
>I don't know about that clinic, but I do know that weight-loss dieting
>is extremely stressful to the heart, so if he does choose to lose some
>weight, he might want to wait until his heart is stronger. Was there
>much damage to his heart?
I'm figuring the damage if there is any is mild to medium; he was not in
cardiac ICU and more emphasis is being placed on the leg infection and the
total body sepsis. Bu7t I am no expert and they probably will not assess the
heart damage until Jeff is stronger.

If there was, he would have to be very careful
>about not losing too quickly or in too extreme a manner. But the biggest
>risk is *regaining* the weight after a loss, which does happen to about
>98% of people who diet.
Couple years or so ago--the last time he was in hospital for something
related to cellulitis--he was put on something like an extreme form of Atkins,
and for a while he really did drop some pounds. And then he just gave up and
started eating crapola. Gained back and more.

>Still, I think that putting the focus on lifestyle rather than on the
>scale has a better chance of success. Focusing on weight loss is a
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>exercise is good for you whether you lose weight or not. So is eating
>good food. Anyway, that's my $.02.
Jeff has a lot of emoptional and mental issues to deal with, and not just as
regards weight loss.

>Speaking of whole foods, Licky just caught and ate a bug. Got a lot of
>exercise in the process, too - you should have seen him leaping!
Yum! Free-range organic meat!

Blessed be,
Baha
Stormin Mormon - 15 Jun 2007 22:05 GMT
Friday June 15;  5 PM.

I phoned the hospital. He's in cardiac ICU. No phone in the room.
Immediate family only for visits. The nurse didn't say much, as
you'd expect. I asked if sending a letter is OK. She says yes,
he'll get it when he's well enough to read or understand.

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 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2007 02:38 GMT
That sounds rather miserable. I read in one of your other posts,
that Jeff hasn't had much social life, and hasn't had much time
to get out with the other computer fellows. I'm sure that's not
good for him, as it's not good for anyone.

I remember a little of your medical problems, which I won't write
here. As I remember, it's going to be challenging to diet and
exercise, when your physical frame isn't cooperating.

Tweedy has a good idea. If he's agreeable, put him on the prayer
roll at the temple. And a priesthood blessing can't hurt. I've
had a bunch in my life, and I can think of one or two people in
your life who may remember having a blessing.

Sounds also like in addition to the medical needs, he needs a
good friend or two. So, you and Louie may very well be the most
important (non-medical) thing in his recovery.

Please keep us up to date.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

: We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned that, on
: top of all things else, Jeff had had a heart attack; that was the collapse in
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: Blessed be,
: Baha
Susan M - 14 Jun 2007 04:41 GMT
> We finally got in touch with Jeff's parents last night and learned that,
> on
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> away from  the fire hall and paramedics. Millard Fillmore hospital has a
> kickass ICU so i know he's getting some good--damn good--care.

I will send your friend Jeff strong good thoughts tonight.  I'm so sorry
that he's in such a bad state.

Susan M
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