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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2007I'm stumped...
Eli has tapeworms. He's had them for a long time. About a year ago I wormed the whole clowder with Drontal but Eli barfed his up. I gave it again two weeks later and he barfed it up again. Nobody else seems to have any tapes right now so I went to the vet for tapeworm tablets for Eli. I thought maybe he would handle Droncit better than Drontal. I got two doses of 1.5 tablets each and planned to give a second dose in a few weeks to be sure Eli will no longer have tapeworms. I left him in the bathroom overnight without food, then crushed one dose to a fine powder and added it to the yummiest wet food and gave it to him. He ate a few bites but I could tell he didn't like the taste. A few minutes later he barfed that up. I know that if I just "pill him" he will barf again. I'm sick at heart over this because the vet charges $6.50 each for these pills and I sure can't afford to waste money! So what can I do to be sure he doesn't barf up the other $9.75 dose? > So what can I do to be sure he doesn't barf up the other $9.75 dose? Don't crush it. Drontal and Droncit taste *awful* and that's guaranteed to put them off eating it. Apart from that, I can only suggest you take it back to the vet for a refund and exchange it for something like Milbemax which is palatable and treats tapeworms & roundworms with a one-off dose. <http://www.ah.novartis.com/products/en/cab/milbemax.shtml > My Bracken was always sick with Drontal/Droncit but is fine with Milbemax. I'm sure you know this, but you must treat for fleas at the same time, as the flea is part of the tapeworm life cycle and if you treat the worms but not fleas, the worms will come back from tapeworm eggs carried by the fleas. Deb.  Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield | > So what can I do to be sure he doesn't barf up the other $9.75 dose? | [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | treat the worms but not fleas, the worms will come back from tapeworm | eggs carried by the fleas. Thanks Deb. We haven't had fleas for a long time. I didn't know there were any other drugs for tapes, and the vet did not tell me. Milbemax is Not for Sale in USA - available to UK and Aust. only. > Milbemax is Not for Sale in USA - available to UK and Aust. only. Ah - sorry, I assumed that the .com website meant it was available in the US. Have a word with the vet and see if there are any other alternatives. Here in the UK there is a spot-on treatment called Profender made by Bayer that treats tapeworms and roundworms as well as fleas. Panacur, which is cheap and palatable (tablets and paste), treats roundworm and one of the two species of tapeworm (Taenia) but not the other (Dipylidium). Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield | > Milbemax is Not for Sale in USA - available to UK and Aust. only. | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | roundworm and one of the two species of tapeworm (Taenia) but not the | other (Dipylidium). I called the vet to ask about alternatives. They say the only thing I can do is bring him in for a droncit injection which costs $20. I already spend $20 I didn't have on the tablets, so I guess we'll be putting up with tapeworms for a while yet. > I called the vet to ask about alternatives. They say the only thing I can do > is bring him in for a droncit injection which costs $20. I already spend $20 > I didn't have on the tablets, so I guess we'll be putting up with tapeworms > for a while yet. They won't refund you on unused tablets? That's harsh. Sorry to hear that, Pat. Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield | > I called the vet to ask about alternatives. They say the only thing I can do | > is bring him in for a droncit injection which costs $20. I already spend $20 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | They won't refund you on unused tablets? That's harsh. Sorry to hear | that, Pat. It doesn't matter anyway, as I can't afford more money no matter how small the amount. I'll try giving him the remaining pill and a half and hope he keeps it in and that he won't need a second dose. > | > I called the vet to ask about alternatives. They say the only thing I > can do [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the amount. I'll try giving him the remaining pill and a half and hope he > keeps it in and that he won't need a second dose. As soon as you're able to, you should worm them all. If one cat in a multi-cat household has tapes, they all either have them, or will have them. They may not have a heavy enough infestation to show obvious signs right now, but if they share a litterbox, it's more than probable that they're all infected. They shed the tapes in their feces, and the next cat walks on the box, licks their paws, etc. etc. Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to humans. Sherry >Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to >humans. Thank you for the useful information. Here I was thinking that I'm so safe because I don't eat mice, nibble fleas, or lick my butt. ;) >> Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to >> humans. > > Thank you for the useful information. Here I was thinking that I'm so > safe because I don't eat mice, nibble fleas, or lick my butt. ;) You can get tapeworms from walking barefoot on grass. Jill > >> Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to > >> humans. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jill Jill, I think that's hookworm you're thinking about. Tapeworms don't penetrate skin; you have to ingest the egg. Which isn't all that hard to do, since they're microscopic. Cats shed segments them all over the place if they're infected. You're most likely to be infected from gardening where cats have "gone", or handling litterpans and accidentally touching your mouth. But you're right about hookworms, and cats do get them IIRC but not as commonly. They penetrate the skin, make a lesion on the foot, then migrate through the body, eventually "hooking" onto the intestinal walls or something. Roundworms are like tapes; you have to ingest the egg. They infect humans differently than cats. It's like they don't know what to do in a human host, so they attach to an organ and the body tries to create a "wall" around it. They'll even attach to a human retina. Probably way more information than anyone wanted. At least it's nothing that hot water and soap won't prevent. :-) Sherry >>>> Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to >>>> humans. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jill, I think that's hookworm you're thinking about. DOH! Of course, you're right! It's been a few years ago now but there were some reports on the news of kids winding up with hookworms. Apparently they'd been running around in the yard barefoot. I don't even go out on my cement patio without at least some sandals on! > Tapeworms don't > penetrate skin; you have to ingest the egg. Which isn't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > on the foot, then migrate through the body, eventually "hooking" onto > the intestinal walls or something. Yes, they do "hook" into the intestinal walls. I remember hearing news reports of people getting hookworms after ingesting fish which was improperly frozen and then used for sushi. The reports made it sound very, very painful. > Roundworms are like tapes; you have to ingest the egg. They infect > humans differently than cats. It's like they don't know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry > I remember hearing news reports of people getting hookworms after > ingesting fish which was improperly frozen and then used for sushi. > The reports made it sound very, very painful. There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in people who eat sushi - they are *enormous*, growing more than 50 feet long. Tapeworms have hooked heads, maybe that's where you got the idea from. There is a lot more on the web about fish tapeworm than I felt like reading. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 | There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but | hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in | people who eat sushi - they are *enormous*, growing more than | 50 feet long. Tapeworms have hooked heads, maybe that's where | you got the idea from. Decades ago I worked in the kitchen of a Japanese restaurant and handled tons of raw fish. I can't begin to describe the horror... We artfully removed the LIVE WORMS while slicing pieces for sushi. >| There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but >| hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >tons of raw fish. I can't begin to describe the horror... We artfully >removed the LIVE WORMS while slicing pieces for sushi. Well, after all, you *did* remove them. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh Make Levees, Not War >>> There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but >>> hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Well, after all, you *did* remove them. ;) BUT UGH! You want to eat something that you could see had worms in it?! That's just gross! >>> Decades ago I worked in the kitchen of a Japanese restaurant and >>> handled tons of raw fish. I can't begin to describe the horror... We [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BUT UGH! You want to eat something that you could see had worms in it?! > That's just gross! You may think it's gross, but to some people worms provide valuable protein. (NOTE: I am *NOT* one of those people.) But consider this (it may be a big part of the ongoing problem with imports from China): "Eating live frogs, rats 'cures tummy upsets'" BEIJING (Reuters) - A man in southeast China says 40 years of swallowing tree frogs and rats live has helped him avoid intestinal complaints and made him strong. from Reuters Oddly Enough: <http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSSCH55179420070606> SignatureRemember: It it To Laugh <http://tinyurl.com/2a5u8b> > | There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but > | hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > tons of raw fish. I can't begin to describe the horror... We artfully > removed the LIVE WORMS while slicing pieces for sushi. I KNEW there was a reason I didn't much care for sushi! (Aside from the fact that it's often rolled in sesame seeds, and they're one of the things that kick off an attack of my diverticulitis.) >> | There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but >> | hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > fact that it's often rolled in sesame seeds, and they're one of the things > that kick off an attack of my diverticulitis.) I don't eat meat uncooked at all >> Decades ago I worked in the kitchen of a Japanese restaurant >> and handled tons of raw fish. I can't begin to describe the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and they're one of the things that kick off an attack of my > diverticulitis.) It sometimes happens that diverticulitis is associated with worm infection - the diverticula provide a place for them to hide. (Threadworms, specifically). Eating chunks of raw fish could be like feeding time at the zoo. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 | I KNEW there was a reason I didn't much care for sushi! | (Aside from the fact that it's often rolled in sesame seeds, | and they're one of the things that kick off an attack of my | diverticulitis.) Sesame seeds, although small, need not be swallowed whole by anyone who still has molars. No one who chews their drinks and drinks their food has ever suffered from diverticulitis. >> I KNEW there was a reason I didn't much care for sushi! >> (Aside from the fact that it's often rolled in sesame seeds, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > still has molars. No one who chews their drinks and drinks their food has > ever suffered from diverticulitis. How does one go about chewing every sesame seed in a mouthful of same? I doubt you can prove your second statement. Not only that, it doesn't even make sense to me. Can you explain what you mean? SignatureRemember: It it To Laugh <http://tinyurl.com/2a5u8b> >>> I KNEW there was a reason I didn't much care for sushi! >>> (Aside from the fact that it's often rolled in sesame seeds, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > even > make sense to me. Can you explain what you mean? It doesn't make sense to me, either. Sesame seeds are so small that some might be missed even if we were *grinding* with our teeth instead of trying to chew such tiny objects (and that wouldn't do the teeth much good, either). MaryL > | I KNEW there was a reason I didn't much care for sushi! > | (Aside from the fact that it's often rolled in sesame seeds, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > still has molars. No one who chews their drinks and drinks their food has > ever suffered from diverticulitis. Having suffered attacks when I merely ate salad with a sesame dressing, I'll pass, thank you! (If you've never had a diverticulitis attack, believe me it's NOT an experience you care to repeat, if you can avoid it!) >>> There are several kinds of worm you can get from raw fish, but >>> hookworms aren't one of them. Fish tapeworm is very common in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and they're one of the things that kick off an attack of my > diverticulitis.) Oh, you have "the 'tic'" (as one of Johns art patrons calls it)? He had to have surgery for diverticulitis. He avoids all seeds, nuts and similar things with a passion. Just figures he'd avoid ordering anything that might also have worms in it! LOL He said that surgery was much worse than having his chest cracked open for a quintuple bypass. Jill >>>Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to >>>humans. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You can get tapeworms from walking barefoot on grass. Are you sure? I thought that was hookworm! (Another parasite which is not too fussy which mammal it infests.) > >Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to > >humans. > > Thank you for the useful information. Here I was thinking that I'm so > safe because I don't eat mice, nibble fleas, or lick my butt. ;) LOL! I'm sorry to spread my own obsessions. You should see my hands. I'm a compulsive handwasher and they always look awful. I go through disposable gloves like crazy. But I handle cats so much, and strange cats too. I've seen some pretty yukky things. I don't think it's real easily transmitted to humans. Sherry >> | > I called the vet to ask about alternatives. They say the only thing I >> can do [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Tapeworms are also one of the parasites that can be transmitted to >humans. Not necessarily Sherry - it depends on how and when the first cat got them, and if there are any fleas around to continue the lifecycle. Tessie got a tapeworm at the shelter but the others couldn't catch it off her because there are no fleas in our apartment. The tapeworm egg doesn't hatch directly in the cat - it has to go through a flea first, and the cat catches it by eating the infected flea... a human can't catch a cat tapeworm either - the human tapeworm is an entirely different and quite rare species (thank goodness, ick, ick, ick!) > They won't refund you on unused tablets? That's harsh. Sorry to hear > that, Pat. Judging by the way veterinary fees have escalated during my lifetime, I'm afraid a lot of American vets are following the example of their counterparts in human medicine - more and more in this country, only the rich can afford proper care. (The rest of us have to make do with what we can get - human and "companion animal" alike.) | Judging by the way veterinary fees have escalated during my | lifetime, I'm afraid a lot of American vets are following | the example of their counterparts in human medicine - more | and more in this country, only the rich can afford proper | care. (The rest of us have to make do with what we can get | - human and "companion animal" alike.) Well I got about 3/4 of the remaining medicine into Eli about 5 hours ago and he has not barfed it up yet. Keeping finger crossed that it's enough and he keeps it in long enough to work. He's not so difficult to pill but he foams at the mouth more than I think is reasonable. Only Abelard is worse in that regard. "Pat" <patricia251.catlitter@centurytel.net> Pat I will have to call my vet to ask him what he gave Ka'shay to get rid of worms it was a liquid. Spirit was given a pill for he gagged the liquid > | > Milbemax is Not for Sale in USA - available to UK and Aust. only. > | [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > tapeworms > for a while yet. If you do that, you could face a far more expensive medical bill in the future. MaryL On Jun 5, 12:18 pm, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net> wrote: > Eli has tapeworms. He's had them for a long time. About a year ago I wormed > the whole clowder with Drontal but Eli barfed his up. I gave it again two [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > So what can I do to be sure he doesn't barf up the other $9.75 dose? Use Revolution on him. It kills tapeworms. Sherry Have you asked your vet? Or your pet supply place? Or do an online search for cat worm medicine? Makes me wonder if there is injectible form. I'm sure cats hate needles like people do, but at least it's not going to give Eli the barfies. SignatureChristopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. . : Eli has tapeworms. He's had them for a long time. About a year ago I wormed : the whole clowder with Drontal but Eli barfed his up. I gave it again two [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : : So what can I do to be sure he doesn't barf up the other $9.75 dose? >Eli has tapeworms. He's had them for a long time. About a year ago I wormed >the whole clowder with Drontal but Eli barfed his up. I gave it again two [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >So what can I do to be sure he doesn't barf up the other $9.75 dose? Pat, I have a little bottle sitting here with two tapeworm tabs in it (they don't deal with ANY other pest but tapeworms, but they do that in doublequick time) - email me your address and I'll mail them to you. All it takes is one pill and the tapeworm will be gone for good. Tessie wasn't at all happy to have one shoved down her throat after she came back from the shelter, but it did the job. |
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