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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2007Latest on the melamine scandal
Death penalty for China official: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6699441.stm  SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. > Death penalty for China official: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6699441.stm > > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Wow. At first reading I thought the death penalty was unusually harsh. Then I read on, and realized how many deaths had occurred because of this corrupt man. The one that really got me was the eleven babies that died from drinking powdered milk that had zero nutritional value. They died from malnutrition! Unbelievable. This is an absolutely horrible situation. Sherry >> Death penalty for China official: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry Problem is, it is probably less this guys fault than the whole system but his death will be seen (or they will spin it as ) the problem being "dealth with" instead of FIXED. Just one more reason though why we shouldn't be importing anything edible from China. > Problem is, it is probably less this guys fault than the whole system > but his death will be seen (or they will spin it as ) the problem being > "dealth with" instead of FIXED. Just one more reason though why we > shouldn't be importing anything edible from China. Good thing Marco Polo didn't feel that way! (Where would Italian cuisine be without pasta?) >> Death penalty for China official: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > malnutrition! > Unbelievable. This is an absolutely horrible situation. Yes, those babies got me too. It seems he caused a lot of misery in his own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his sentence would be changed to life imprisonment, though. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >> Wow. At first reading I thought the death penalty was unusually harsh. >> Then I read on, and realized how many deaths had occurred because of >> this corrupt man. The one that really got me was the eleven babies >> that died from drinking powdered milk that had zero nutritional value. >> They died from malnutrition! Unbelievable. This is an absolutely >> horrible situation. > Yes, those babies got me too. It seems he caused a lot of misery in his > own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his sentence > would be changed to life imprisonment, though. I'm glad something is being done. I agree with you that putting him to death by itself won't really solve anything, but they're pretty execution- happy in China. I thought this country was bad, but according to Amnesty International, China far outstrips most other countries in the number of executions. But if it also means they're really going to overhaul their food safety system, it might make a real difference. I'm sure nobody there is happy that their reputation is in the toilet world-wide. Funny they didn't mention the Panamanians who died from poisoned medicines shipped from China. That was a pretty big tragedy, too. Joyce > Funny they didn't mention the Panamanians who died from poisoned medicines > shipped from China. That was a pretty big tragedy, too. > > Joyce Possibly because a Chinese court only has jurisdiction over things that happen in China? > > Funny they didn't mention the Panamanians who died from poisoned medicines > > shipped from China. That was a pretty big tragedy, too. > > > > Joyce > Possibly because a Chinese court only has jurisdiction over > things that happen in China? I just meant the article. They did mention the animal deaths from tainted pet food. Joyce >But if it also means they're really going to overhaul their food safety >system, it might make a real difference. I'm sure nobody there is happy >that their reputation is in the toilet world-wide. It's gonna be a cold day in hell when that happens. The Chinese Government does not care about public opinion, it does only care about money. The only way to change the situation is to just not buy anything made in china - which is incredibly difficult, as the sweatshops and forced labour of political prisoners result in incredibly cheap production costs. Regards Aleks >>But if it also means they're really going to overhaul their food safety >>system, it might make a real difference. I'm sure nobody there is happy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > forced labour of political prisoners result in incredibly cheap > production costs. Maybe they care about safety and maybe they don't, but if they care about money and world wide panic over pets being killed by products from China isn't good for trade. There does come a point when you can't sell anything no mater the price. Jo > Maybe they care about safety and maybe they don't, but if they > care about money and world wide panic over pets being killed by > products from China isn't good for trade. Unfortunately, a lot of businesses don't care enough about safety, either. As Yowie pointed out a while ago, the world's economy is dependent on China's cheap prices (other countries', too, I would imagine), made possible by the oppressive working conditions of the people who make the products. > There does come a point when you can't sell anything no mater > the price. It will have to hurt the businesses that do business with China, before they'd be willing to stop. But how do we know who those businesses are? Among the importers, manufacturers, packaging companies, distributors and retailers, the chain of transactions could be several layers deep from the source to your home. Many products that are manufactured domestically still contain foreign ingredients, often including those from China. It's a complicated maze... so even if consumers were truly fed up enough to boycott Chinese imports, how would they know what to boycott? It would have to be almost everything! Joyce > > Maybe they care about safety and maybe they don't, but if they > > care about money and world wide panic over pets being killed by [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Joyce Which means we'd pretty much have to go back to the turn of the 20th century or even further :) Make all our own clothes; heck, weave our own cloth. China silk was highly prized in Victorian days but hey, who knows what those silworms were up to? It's not really feasible to avoid all things containing imported ingredients. After the monkfish recall I threw out the tilapia (fish) fillets in my freezer because they state on the package "product of china". And I won't be buying any more. Too bad, because they are inexpensive and tasty but now I have no idea what I'd really been buying. Time to go back to good old American farm-raised catfish fillets, which is okay because I like catfish, too. I was merely buying the tilapia due to cost. Jill >> But if it also means they're really going to overhaul their food safety >> system, it might make a real difference. I'm sure nobody there is happy >> that their reputation is in the toilet world-wide. > It's gonna be a cold day in hell when that happens. The Chinese > Government does not care about public opinion, it does only care about > money. The only way to change the situation is to just not buy anything > made in china - which is incredibly difficult, as the sweatshops and > forced labour of political prisoners result in incredibly cheap > production costs. <sigh...> I know you're right. :( Joyce > money. The only way to change the situation is to just not buy anything > made in china - which is incredibly difficult, as the sweatshops and We've decided to start looking at the label and pass on *anything* made in China. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> money. The only way to change the situation is to just not buy anything >> made in china - which is incredibly difficult, as the sweatshops and > > We've decided to start looking at the label and pass on *anything* made in > China. I think we will also start seeing more country of origin, especially on consumables in the future it this scare doesn't settle down pretty fast. Kind of like the no trans fat or no cholesterol labels. I don't think that many people have problems with imported whole foods when they know where they come from. I very much enjoy my imported fruits and vegetables. And no one is getting between me and my Mexican beer, tequila and coffee. Jake likes his shrimp. But for mixed up things with lots of ingredients, I'd pay the few cents for all USA origin. Especially if no one is testing this stuff before we eat it. Jo >>> money. The only way to change the situation is to just not buy anything >>> made in china - which is incredibly difficult, as the sweatshops and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jo I don't know how many of you monitor the FDA recalls web site, but every few days lately there's some comestible product being recalled for one reason or another and most of the time the country of origin is China. I never noticed it before, or not that often, but since the pet food scare it seems to be popping up all the time. The current recall has to do with undeclared sulfites in a product that sounds like it's mostly used by herbalists (I'm not familiar with Dried Lily Bulb, nor am I allergic to sulfites) but it's just another indication of terrible and unethical practices being rampant in that country. SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh > I don't know how many of you monitor the FDA recalls web site, but every few > days lately there's some comestible product being recalled for one reason or > another and most of the time the country of origin is China. I never noticed > it before, or not that often, but since the pet food scare it seems to be > popping up all the time. I think it's like when you learn a new word, and suddenly you're seeing it everywhere. The word was most likely there before, you just didn't notice it. The FDA was sleeping peacefully on the job. All of a sudden, all these pets started dying. Once they figured out what happened, they started to pay more attention to imported shipments, and holy s**t, toxins were all over the place! But I'll bet they were there before. People mysteriously got sick, or maybe even died, and nobody tied it to specific foods. It took death on a big scale - happened to be non-humans in this case - to wake up our government's food safety agency. Now they can't stop finding disgusting things in our food, medicines, and toiletries, etc. Joyce > > money. The only way to change the situation is to just not buy anything > > made in china - which is incredibly difficult, as the sweatshops and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Send your spam here: u...@ftc.gov > Email me here: pistorLIT...@BOXaustin.rr.com Oh yes, we decided that also. What disturbs me though, is how misleading are labels anyway? Many products are imported from China, but packaged & distributed by the US. Like the pet food--nowhere on it did it say "ingredients imported from China". I wish the labeling were more specific that way. Sherry > >> Death penalty for China official: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.- Hide quoted text - I would too, Marina. It sounds like that may be what ultimately happens. Sherry > Yes, those babies got me too. It seems he caused a lot of misery in his > own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his sentence > would be changed to life imprisonment, though. Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Yes, those babies got me too. It seems he caused a lot of misery in his >> own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his sentence >> would be changed to life imprisonment, though. > > Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is > responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? That's what I was thinking too. I can't question that he is/was corrupt; that's a rampant problem in China. But I doubt he is the only one to blame for the deaths. He's just the one who was selected to pay the price. >> Yes, those babies got me too. It seems he caused a lot of misery in >> his own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his >> sentence would be changed to life imprisonment, though. > > Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is > responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? That's exactly what I was thinking. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is > responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? The article did say several other people are under suspicion, but in cases like this, I guess we will never know how wide-spread the corruption has actually been. It's pretty safe to say that not everyone who has been a party in this will be prosecuted. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. >> Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is >> responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > corruption has actually been. It's pretty safe to say that not everyone > who has been a party in this will be prosecuted. Like the U.S. - given the scandals associated with the current administration, IMO we should impeach the whole gang, starting with Cheney and Bush, and continuing on through a large proprtion of Bush's appointees, but we all know that's not going to happen! >>> Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is >>> responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >through a large proprtion of Bush's appointees, but we all >know that's not going to happen! If you're going to do that, don't forget to impeach Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Chuckie Schmuckie Schumer, Ted "Hic!" Kennedy, Robert "KKK" Byrd, etc. Signatureannoyed@net.spammers Craig, Kathi & "Cat Five" the tabby girl > > Yes, those babies got me too. It seems he caused a lot of misery in his > > own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his sentence > > would be changed to life imprisonment, though. > > Given China's "justice system", I don't even think this guy is > responsible for everything. Can you say scapegoat? Well, they have a saying which is approximately "cut off the head of the chicken, and there will be no problem from all else." In other words, punish the head of whatever, and don't bother about the underlings. That's what happened after Mao died too. Martha >>> Death penalty for China official: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > own country, as well as elsewhere. I would prefer it if his sentence > would be changed to life imprisonment, though. I never have understood why that is considered preferable to the death penalty! (Except, of course, in cases where the condemned person is innocent.) To be locked up for the rest of one's life seems far more terrible to me than dying a bit sooner than in the normal course of nature. >> Death penalty for China official: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry Just think how many may have been unreported. MLB > Death penalty for China official: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6699441.stm Wow! The Chinese don't fool around, do they? |
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