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China's contaminated stuff beyond pet food
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Victor Martinez - 24 May 2007 04:15 GMT U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. health officials are beginning to check all shipments of toothpaste coming from China, following reports of tainted products in other countries, a government spokesman said Wednesday.
The Food and Drug Administration has no evidence that contaminated toothpaste has made its way into the United States but is taking the step as a precaution, agency spokesman Doug Arbesfeld said.
China is the second-largest exporter of toothpaste to the United States behind Canada, according to the FDA.
The FDA's action comes after the lethal chemical diethylene glycol was found in toothpaste sold in the Dominican Republic and Panama.
It follows a wave of concern over pet food from China containing another toxic chemical, melamine, thought to have sickened thousands of U.S. cats and dogs and made its way into livestock feed.
"We are going to be sampling and testing all shipments of toothpaste that come from China," Arbesfeld said. "We're doing this as a precautionary measure. We have no evidence that toothpaste containing diethylene glycol has entered the country."
Tests on product pulled from shelves in Panama showed they contained high levels of diethylene glycol, used in engine coolants. Investigators in that country said two toothpaste brands were imported illegally from China through a free-trade zone.
Tainted toothpaste has also been reported in Australia, Arbesfeld said.
It was not immediately clear which brands of toothpaste sold in the Unites States are made in China.
A representative of Johnson & Johnson's McNeil-PPC Inc., which makes Rembrandt toothpaste, could not be immediately reached.
A spokeswoman for Colgate-Palmolive, maker of Colgate toothpaste, said the company did not import toothpaste into the United States from China.
A Procter & Gamble spokeswoman said Crest brand toothpaste was American-made. A spokeswoman for GlaxoSmithKline Plc's consumer unit, which makes Aquafresh, had no immediate comment.
Chinese officials have said they plan to strengthen domestic food safety even as worries grow about its manufacturers' use of toxins and fake ingredients.
Earlier Wednesday, China called for an investigative team to probe the toothpaste incidents.
FDA's Arbesfeld said the U.S. agency is beginning its work immediately and will continue for 90 days, although that could be extended.
Arbesfeld added that the agency has been in contact with health officials in the other affected countries as well as China.
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Pat - 24 May 2007 04:19 GMT | U.S. health officials are beginning to check all | shipments of toothpaste One of the great advantages of being poor, is you get to use the very best tooth"pastes" - baking soda! and salt!
Susan M - 24 May 2007 04:34 GMT > U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. health officials are beginning to check all > shipments of toothpaste coming from China, following reports of tainted > products in other countries, a government spokesman said Wednesday. You've got to figure this is only a matter of time. I don't like buying anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely done to the environment there too. Short cuts all over the place.
We've just bought some stunning patio furniture from Costco, which it turns out was made in China. It off-gassed something terrible and I can only imagine the waste disposal from the factory that made it - likely into a river. Those dollar stores and fast food kids meal toys particularly drive me crazy. Cheap plastic toys that end up in landfills within a month - not just the plastics decomposing in our landfills but the waste by-products inappropriately disposed of in China. And for what?
This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff we don't really need. A few nice well made things rather than a large volume of stuff that ends up thrown out shortly.
Me on a rampage.
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Sherry - 24 May 2007 04:49 GMT > "Victor Martinez" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more > carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Susan M > Otis and Chester I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt like my "stuff" was suffocating me. We had a garage full of "stuff". An attic full of "stuff". We even had a storage building where we *paid* to have "stuff" stored. I took a long look at the things I really, truly, loved; and then the things I actually used. The rest got thrown out. My house is amazingly easier to keep clean.
We're such a throw-away society. I remember when there was actually a "fix-it" shop where you had appliances *repaired*. Gasp! Do you know I still have (and use almost every day) the mixer that my mom got in her wedding shower in 1949? I think my daughter has thrown away two "new" ones since she got married.
Sherry
Debbie Wilson - 24 May 2007 09:55 GMT > I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt > like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things I actually used. The > rest got thrown out. My house is amazingly easier to keep clean. A great way to declutter *and* avoid stuff going into landfill is to join your local Freecycle group. You would be *amazed* what people will travel to collect. Really worthwhile looking at.
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Sherry - 24 May 2007 14:15 GMT > > I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt > > like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Deb. Oh yes. Freecycle is a *great* concept. I've given away tons of stuff through Freecycle. I have a real problem throwing away anything that someone else might need or use. That's how I ended up with so much "stuff" in the first place. :-)
Sherry
Christina Websell - 24 May 2007 18:34 GMT >> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt >> like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> things I actually used. The >> rest got thrown out. My house is amazingly easier to keep clean. I don't have too much trouble with "house stuff" it's wood and screws, nails and stuff that can make chicken huts that *I* have a problem throwing away. In fact, I cannot do it. Wood is very expensive here, and I have enough to make another one. I don't actually need another chicken hut at the moment - however...I need to keep it.
Tweed
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Sherry - 24 May 2007 19:40 GMT On May 24, 12:34?pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt > >> like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tweed You are like my DH. I used to fuss at him for keeping everything, but he's pretty organized and his packrat habits have saved us lots of money sometimes. Wood is *very* expensive, and so is hardware. It's wasteful to throw something away, just because you don't need it at that moment. When we need building supplies for a small project, he always seems to have what we need, so we don't have to buy.
Sherry
Adrian A - 24 May 2007 20:47 GMT >>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I >>> felt like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > No way Doesn't it make you sick, the amount of perfectly good wood etc. that's thrown away in skips?
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Christina Websell - 25 May 2007 19:53 GMT >>>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I >>>> felt like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Tweed
> Doesn't it make you sick, the amount of perfectly good wood etc. that's > thrown away in skips? No, because if I see wood in a skip I stop the car and nick it! If it's in front of a private house I knock on the door and ask if I can have it and they are only too happy as it makes room for them to chuck more stuff in it. If they aren't in I just take it. If it's not good enough to build things with I am very happy to put it on my woodburner which saves me money on buying logs. I've built all sorts of things with recycled wood. Chicken runs, bird table, nestboxes for my chickens to lay in, a goose hut which is now night time accommodation for Francis Drake and wild bird nestboxes, two of which are now occupied, one by great tits and one by blue tits. The parents are feeding their chicks like crazy at the moment and I expect them to fledge in the next couple of days. Before I did the job I do now I worked for an environmental charity. It opened my eyes about how important it is to recycle everything possible and to try not to take from the environment what cannot be put back.
Tweed
Adrian A - 25 May 2007 20:27 GMT >>>>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I >>>>> felt like my "stuff" [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Tweed Good for you and congratulations on the nest box residents, I been enjoying watching lots of parent birds feeding their young the past few weeks.
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annoyed@net.spammers - 24 May 2007 05:05 GMT >> U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely >done to the environment there too. Short cuts all over the place. "Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." Spam & poison are their chief exports.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 May 2007 05:17 GMT > You've got to figure this is only a matter of time. I don't like buying > anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely > done to the environment there too. Short cuts all over the place. Not to mention people working in sweatshops for slave wages. China has one of the worst human-rights records in the world.
> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more > carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff > we don't really need. A few nice well made things rather than a large > volume of stuff that ends up thrown out shortly. And well-made things last a lot longer, too. So even if you spend more money on them, you don't have to replace them as often. You really don't save much on the cheap stuff in the long run.
Joyce
Suz - 24 May 2007 11:42 GMT On May 23, 11:17?pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> > You've got to figure this is only a matter of time. I don't like buying > > anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joyce My microwave is an Amana from the 80's, its American made. I love it because it doesn't have all those preprogrammed settings you/I decide the cooking time and power level.
Suz&Spicey
Adrian A - 24 May 2007 10:21 GMT <snip>
> We've just bought some stunning patio furniture from Costco, which it > turns out was made in China. It off-gassed something terrible and I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > landfills but the waste by-products inappropriately disposed of in > China. And for what? If only the plastics did decompose, tragically all they do is break down into smaller pieces eventually small enough to be injested causing more harm. They'll still be with us a thousand years from now.
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Victor Martinez - 24 May 2007 13:09 GMT > This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more > carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff > we don't really need. A few nice well made things rather than a large > volume of stuff that ends up thrown out shortly. Amen, sister! We also try to be environmentally responsible with our purchasing choices. One easy way to avoid cheap chinese crap is to not shop at Walmart.
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Kreisleriana - 24 May 2007 14:13 GMT >> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more >> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >purchasing choices. One easy way to avoid cheap chinese crap is to not >shop at Walmart. And of course, Walmart has a huge public-relations machine in which they extoll their community service. They'll do anything to help their image, it seems-- except pay a decent wage with benefits, stop proliferating child and near-slave labor in China, and stop destroying the wage and tax bases in the communities they claim to be helping. But they'll buy millions of $$ worth of advertising telling everyone that they're helping schools with 25-cent crayons.
Unfortunately, Walmart has succeeded in so entrenching itself that avoiding them is not easy in many communities.
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Daniel Mahoney - 24 May 2007 15:31 GMT > And of course, Walmart has a huge public-relations machine in which > they extoll their community service. They'll do anything to help [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Unfortunately, Walmart has succeeded in so entrenching itself that > avoiding them is not easy in many communities. Living in a small town does make it difficult sometimes to avoid WalMart. It can be challenging to find local stores selling the stuff I need, and being able to get to those local stores during their (usually) limited business hours. But I do put in the extra effort and try to shop local merchants whenever I can.
jofirey - 25 May 2007 02:41 GMT >> And of course, Walmart has a huge public-relations machine in which >> they extoll their community service. They'll do anything to help [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > business hours. But I do put in the extra effort and try to shop local > merchants whenever I can. Our town just lost its old time hardware store. It has been opened and run by the same family in the same location for 100 years. It was mostly staffed by old men in red vests that could match any part you brought in, find most any part you could describe, etc. They have kept local kids in baseball, football, soccer, and basketball shirts and equipment for the forty years we've lived here. In addition they have a gift store section that has or can order the finest china and crystal and lovely decorative and wedding gift type items. That's where we got my mailbox with the hummingbirds and vines painted all over it.
They have survived lots of competition, but the new Lowes store finally did them in. (Well, that and the deterioration of their part of town.
Jo
Baha - 24 May 2007 15:50 GMT Amen and hallelujah to that!
>> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more >> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >purchasing choices. One easy way to avoid cheap chinese crap is to not >shop at Walmart. jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 May 2007 05:33 GMT > U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. health officials are beginning to check all > shipments of toothpaste coming from China, following reports of tainted > products in other countries, a government spokesman said Wednesday.
> The Food and Drug Administration has no evidence that contaminated > toothpaste has made its way into the United States but is taking the > step as a precaution, agency spokesman Doug Arbesfeld said. Warning: rant follows.
The FDA is totally asleep at the wheel, if not outright dead. They are USELESS! Why are they going at this so piecemeal? First it was pet food. Then it was medicines that killed people in Panama. Now they're focusing on toothpaste, as thought these are all unrelated, isolated occurrences. Hello? Doesn't anyone see a pattern here?? (I don't mean you guys - I mean the government.)
Who are these creepy people who put toxins into food and other things that go into people's mouths? They're not just shortchanging us with with worthless but *harmless* filler, although that would be bad enough. It's *poison*. They're selling poison that kills people and animals. I'm sorry, but it seems like there's more at work here than just plain greed. They've got to know they're killing people. And this is a country that has most-favored trade status in the US? We should be declaring a total embargo on that country.
> It follows a wave of concern over pet food from China containing > another toxic chemical, melamine.. A "wave of concern"?
> "We are going to be sampling and testing all shipments of toothpaste > that come from China," Arbesfeld said. But they're still going to keep importing it, right?
What's wrong with this picture?
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Joyce
Ketzl's Dad - 24 May 2007 15:06 GMT > Warning: rant follows. > > The FDA is totally asleep at the wheel, if not outright dead. They are > USELESS! This was my thought exactly. What happened to being proactive? "We are going to test toothpaste..." "Going to"?
Ok, so you have NOT been testing toothpaste. What *have* you been doing to earn your keep?
Knee-jerk on my part, maybe; I know they publish frequent advisories about things they have discovered... but we're talking about things that go into our mouths, our pets' mouths, and our bodies.
If I were *slightly* more paranoid, I'd think this "slow poisoning" was intentional.
Thank g-d I'm not.
Or am I?
("I'm not indecisive, am I?")
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