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Victor Martinez - 24 May 2007 04:15 GMT
U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. health officials are beginning to check all
shipments of toothpaste coming from China, following reports of tainted
products in other countries, a government spokesman said Wednesday.

The Food and Drug Administration has no evidence that contaminated
toothpaste has made its way into the United States but is taking the
step as a precaution, agency spokesman Doug Arbesfeld said.

China is the second-largest exporter of toothpaste to the United States
behind Canada, according to the FDA.

The FDA's action comes after the lethal chemical diethylene glycol was
found in toothpaste sold in the Dominican Republic and Panama.

It follows a wave of concern over pet food from China containing another
toxic chemical, melamine, thought to have sickened thousands of U.S.
cats and dogs and made its way into livestock feed.

"We are going to be sampling and testing all shipments of toothpaste
that come from China," Arbesfeld said. "We're doing this as a
precautionary measure. We have no evidence that toothpaste containing
diethylene glycol has entered the country."

Tests on product pulled from shelves in Panama showed they contained
high levels of diethylene glycol, used in engine coolants. Investigators
in that country said two toothpaste brands were imported illegally from
China through a free-trade zone.

Tainted toothpaste has also been reported in Australia, Arbesfeld said.

It was not immediately clear which brands of toothpaste sold in the
Unites States are made in China.

A representative of Johnson & Johnson's McNeil-PPC Inc., which makes
Rembrandt toothpaste, could not be immediately reached.

A spokeswoman for Colgate-Palmolive, maker of Colgate toothpaste, said
the company did not import toothpaste into the United States from China.

A Procter & Gamble spokeswoman said Crest brand toothpaste was
American-made. A spokeswoman for GlaxoSmithKline Plc's consumer unit,
which makes Aquafresh, had no immediate comment.

Chinese officials have said they plan to strengthen domestic food safety
even as worries grow about its manufacturers' use of toxins and fake
ingredients.

Earlier Wednesday, China called for an investigative team to probe the
toothpaste incidents.

FDA's Arbesfeld said the U.S. agency is beginning its work immediately
and will continue for 90 days, although that could be extended.

Arbesfeld added that the agency has been in contact with health
officials in the other affected countries as well as China.

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Pat - 24 May 2007 04:19 GMT
| U.S. health officials are beginning to check all
| shipments of toothpaste

One of the great advantages of being poor, is you get to use the very best
tooth"pastes" - baking soda! and salt!
Susan M - 24 May 2007 04:34 GMT
> U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. health officials are beginning to check all
> shipments of toothpaste coming from China, following reports of tainted
> products in other countries, a government spokesman said Wednesday.

You've got to figure this is only a matter of time.  I don't like buying
anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely
done to the environment there too.  Short cuts all over the place.

We've just bought some stunning patio furniture from Costco, which it turns
out was made in China.  It off-gassed something terrible and I can only
imagine the waste disposal from the factory that made it - likely into a
river.  Those dollar stores and fast food kids meal toys particularly drive
me crazy.  Cheap plastic toys that end up in landfills within a month - not
just the plastics decomposing in our landfills but the waste by-products
inappropriately disposed of in China.  And for what?

This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more
carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff
we don't really need.   A few nice well made things rather than a large
volume of stuff that ends up thrown out shortly.

Me on a rampage.

Susan M
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Sherry - 24 May 2007 04:49 GMT
> "Victor Martinez" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more
> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt
like my "stuff"
was suffocating me. We had a garage full of "stuff". An attic full of
"stuff". We even
had a storage building where we *paid* to have "stuff" stored.
I took a long look at the things I really, truly, loved; and then the
things I actually used. The
rest got thrown out. My house is amazingly easier to keep clean.

We're such a throw-away society. I remember when there was actually a
"fix-it" shop where
you had appliances *repaired*. Gasp!  Do you know I still have (and
use almost every day) the mixer that my mom
got in her wedding shower in 1949?   I think my daughter has thrown
away two "new" ones since she got married.

Sherry
Debbie Wilson - 24 May 2007 09:55 GMT
> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt
> like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> things I actually used. The
> rest got thrown out. My house is amazingly easier to keep clean.

A great way to declutter *and* avoid stuff going into landfill is to
join your local Freecycle group. You would be *amazed* what people will
travel to collect. Really worthwhile looking at.

http://www.freecycle.org/

Deb.
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Sherry - 24 May 2007 14:15 GMT
> > I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt
> > like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Deb.

Oh yes. Freecycle is a *great* concept. I've given away tons of stuff
through Freecycle.  I have a
real problem throwing away anything that someone else might need or
use. That's how I ended up
with so much "stuff" in the first place. :-)

Sherry
Christina Websell - 24 May 2007 18:34 GMT
>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt
>> like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> things I actually used. The
>> rest got thrown out. My house is amazingly easier to keep clean.

I don't have too much trouble with "house stuff"  it's wood and screws,
nails and stuff that can make chicken huts that *I* have a problem throwing
away.  In fact, I cannot do it.  Wood is very expensive here, and I have
enough to make another one.  I don't actually need another chicken hut at
the moment - however...I need to keep it.

Tweed

No way
Sherry - 24 May 2007 19:40 GMT
On May 24, 12:34?pm, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> >> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I felt
> >> like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Tweed

You are like my DH. I used to fuss at him for keeping everything, but
he's pretty
organized and his packrat habits have saved us lots of money
sometimes. Wood
is *very* expensive, and so is hardware. It's wasteful to throw
something away,
just because you don't need it at that moment. When we need building
supplies
for a small project, he always seems to have what we need, so we don't
have
to buy.

Sherry
Adrian A - 24 May 2007 20:47 GMT
>>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I
>>> felt like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> No way

Doesn't it make you sick, the amount of perfectly good wood etc. that's
thrown away in skips?
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Christina Websell - 25 May 2007 19:53 GMT
>>>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I
>>>> felt like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>
>> Tweed

> Doesn't it make you sick, the amount of perfectly good wood etc. that's
> thrown away in skips?

No, because if I see wood in a skip I stop the car and nick it!  If it's in
front of a private house I knock on the door and ask if I can have it and
they are only too happy as it makes room for them to chuck more stuff in it.
If they aren't in I just take it.  If it's not good enough to build things
with I am very happy to put it on my woodburner which saves me money on
buying logs.
I've built all sorts of things with recycled wood.  Chicken runs, bird
table, nestboxes for my chickens to lay in, a goose hut which is now  night
time accommodation for Francis Drake and wild bird nestboxes, two of which
are now occupied, one by great tits and one by blue tits.  The parents are
feeding their chicks like crazy at the moment and I expect them to fledge in
the next couple of days.
Before I did the job I do now I worked for an environmental charity.  It
opened my eyes about how important it is to recycle everything possible and
to try not to take from the environment what cannot be put back.

Tweed
Adrian A - 25 May 2007 20:27 GMT
>>>>> I'm with you, Susan. Simplify! How much crap do we really need? I
>>>>> felt like my "stuff"
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Tweed

Good for you and congratulations on the nest box residents, I been enjoying
watching lots of parent birds feeding their young the past few weeks.
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annoyed@net.spammers - 24 May 2007 05:05 GMT
>> U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely
>done to the environment there too.  Short cuts all over the place.

"Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." Spam & poison are their
chief exports.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 May 2007 05:17 GMT
> You've got to figure this is only a matter of time.  I don't like buying
> anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely
> done to the environment there too.  Short cuts all over the place.

Not to mention people working in sweatshops for slave wages. China has
one of the worst human-rights records in the world.

> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more
> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff
> we don't really need.   A few nice well made things rather than a large
> volume of stuff that ends up thrown out shortly.

And well-made things last a lot longer, too. So even if you spend more
money on them, you don't have to replace them as often. You really don't
save much on the cheap stuff in the long run.

Joyce
Suz - 24 May 2007 11:42 GMT
On May 23, 11:17?pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:

>  > You've got to figure this is only a matter of time.  I don't like buying
>  > anything made in China for the fact of what that cheap production has likely
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Joyce

My microwave is an Amana from the 80's, its American made. I love it
because it doesn't have all those preprogrammed settings you/I decide
the cooking time and power level.

Suz&Spicey
Adrian A - 24 May 2007 10:21 GMT
<snip>
> We've just bought some stunning patio furniture from Costco, which it
> turns out was made in China.  It off-gassed something terrible and I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> landfills but the waste by-products inappropriately disposed of in
> China.  And for what?

If only the plastics did decompose, tragically all they do is break down
into smaller pieces eventually small enough to be injested causing more
harm. They'll still be with us a thousand years from now.
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Victor Martinez - 24 May 2007 13:09 GMT
> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more
> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff
> we don't really need.   A few nice well made things rather than a large
> volume of stuff that ends up thrown out shortly.

Amen, sister! We also try to be environmentally responsible with our
purchasing choices. One easy way to avoid cheap chinese crap is to not
shop at Walmart.

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Kreisleriana - 24 May 2007 14:13 GMT
>> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more
>> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>purchasing choices. One easy way to avoid cheap chinese crap is to not
>shop at Walmart.

And of course, Walmart has a huge public-relations machine in which
they extoll their community service.  They'll do anything to help
their image, it seems--  except pay a decent wage with benefits, stop
proliferating child and near-slave labor in China, and stop destroying
the wage and tax bases in the communities they claim to be helping.
But they'll buy millions of $$ worth of advertising telling everyone
that they're helping schools with 25-cent crayons.

Unfortunately, Walmart has succeeded in so entrenching itself that
avoiding them is not  easy in many communities.

Theresa
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Daniel Mahoney - 24 May 2007 15:31 GMT
> And of course, Walmart has a huge public-relations machine in which
> they extoll their community service.  They'll do anything to help
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Unfortunately, Walmart has succeeded in so entrenching itself that
> avoiding them is not  easy in many communities.

Living in a small town does make it difficult sometimes to avoid WalMart.
It can be challenging to find local stores selling the stuff I need, and
being able to get to those local stores during their (usually) limited
business hours. But I do put in the extra effort and try to shop local
merchants whenever I can.
jofirey - 25 May 2007 02:41 GMT
>> And of course, Walmart has a huge public-relations machine in which
>> they extoll their community service.  They'll do anything to help
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> business hours. But I do put in the extra effort and try to shop local
> merchants whenever I can.

Our town just lost its old time hardware store.  It has been opened and run
by the same family in the same location for 100 years.  It was mostly
staffed by old men in red vests that could match any part you brought in,
find most any part you could describe, etc.  They have kept local kids in
baseball, football, soccer, and basketball shirts and equipment for the
forty years we've lived here.  In addition they have a gift store section
that has or can order the finest china and crystal and lovely decorative and
wedding gift type items.  That's where we got my mailbox with the
hummingbirds and vines painted all over it.

They have survived lots of competition, but the new Lowes store finally did
them in.  (Well, that and the deterioration of their part of town.

Jo
Baha - 24 May 2007 15:50 GMT
Amen and hallelujah to that!

>> This whole fiasco should make us all reconsider where things are made more
>> carefully and question whether endlessly cheaper is better for all the stuff
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>purchasing choices. One easy way to avoid cheap chinese crap is to not
>shop at Walmart.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 May 2007 05:33 GMT
> U.S. checking all toothpaste imports from China

> WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. health officials are beginning to check all
> shipments of toothpaste coming from China, following reports of tainted
> products in other countries, a government spokesman said Wednesday.

> The Food and Drug Administration has no evidence that contaminated
> toothpaste has made its way into the United States but is taking the
> step as a precaution, agency spokesman Doug Arbesfeld said.

Warning: rant follows.

The FDA is totally asleep at the wheel, if not outright dead. They are
USELESS! Why are they going at this so piecemeal? First it was pet food.
Then it was medicines that killed people in Panama. Now they're focusing
on toothpaste, as thought these are all unrelated, isolated occurrences.
Hello? Doesn't anyone see a pattern here?? (I don't mean you guys - I
mean the government.)

Who are these creepy people who put toxins into food and other things
that go into people's mouths? They're not just shortchanging us with
with worthless but *harmless* filler, although that would be bad enough.
It's *poison*. They're selling poison that kills people and animals.
I'm sorry, but it seems like there's more at work here than just plain
greed. They've got to know they're killing people. And this is a
country that has most-favored trade status in the US? We should be
declaring a total embargo on that country.

> It follows a wave of concern over pet food from China containing
> another toxic chemical, melamine..

A "wave of concern"?

> "We are going to be sampling and testing all shipments of toothpaste
> that come from China," Arbesfeld said.

But they're still going to keep importing it, right?

What's wrong with this picture?

</rant>

Joyce
Ketzl's Dad - 24 May 2007 15:06 GMT
> Warning: rant follows.
>
> The FDA is totally asleep at the wheel, if not outright dead. They are
> USELESS!

This was my thought exactly. What happened to being proactive? "We are going
to test toothpaste..."  "Going to"?

Ok, so you have NOT been testing toothpaste. What *have* you been doing to
earn your keep?

Knee-jerk on my part, maybe; I know they publish frequent advisories about
things they have discovered... but we're talking about things that go into
our mouths, our pets' mouths, and our bodies.

If I were *slightly* more paranoid, I'd think this "slow poisoning" was
intentional.

Thank g-d I'm not.

Or am I?

("I'm not indecisive, am I?")

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