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My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. Kathy > Subject: G-Mail > From: Kathy <Kathybear@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. > Kathy Maybe... notice the header from your post, above. It indicates that you sent it from gmaii.com  SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh >> Subject: G-Mail >> From: Kathy <Kathybear@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe... notice the header from your post, above. It indicates that you sent > it from gmaii.com I know a lot of people kill file people who use gmail or another the other free email stuff because of trolls >> Subject: G-Mail >> From: Kathy <Kathybear@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe... notice the header from your post, above. It indicates that you sent > it from gmaii.com But I don't send it from gmail. That's just my reply mail, but it gets vetted as the sending mail, I guess... Ah, well.... >>> Subject: G-Mail >>> From: Kathy <Kathybear@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But I don't send it from gmail. That's just my reply mail, but it gets > vetted as the sending mail, I guess... Ah, well.... I suggest that you get a separate Yahoo account and use it only for newsgroups. That's what I do. I have a separate address for personal mail, and I don't mind if I get a lot of spam in Yahoo. Most of it is automatically filtered to a junk mailbox by Yahoo, and I delete the others unopened. If I started to get too much spam in Yahoo, I could discontinue that one and simply open another one. It's free! MaryL >> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending addy is >> different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. > Maybe... notice the header from your post, above. It indicates that you sent > it from gmaii.com It doesn't. The From: line says *nothing at all* about which machine sent the post, it simply indicates where you want mail replies to go. I could have put one of my gmail addresses in this message's "From:" line if I'd wanted - the message would still have been sent from Demon. There are two lines that indicate where the message was sent: the "Path:" line and the "NNTP-Posting-Host:" line. The "Path:" line of her message ends with comcast.com and the "NNTP-Posting-Host:" line says "69.248.174.166", which is an IP address owned by Comcast. You *can't* post to Usenet from gmail.com. It isn't a news server. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending addy is >>> different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. owned by Comcast. > You *can't* post to Usenet from gmail.com. It isn't a news server. Of course you can, it's an email address >> You *can't* post to Usenet from gmail.com. It isn't a news server. > Of course you can, it's an email address Let's see you do it, then. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course you can, it's an email address Don't be silly, Jack's perfectly correct. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don't be silly, Jack's perfectly correct. Don't say I am silly or we will fall out. Explain why he is correct instead. I have obviously misunderstood something. Tweed >>>> You *can't* post to Usenet from gmail.com. It isn't a news server. >>> Of course you can, it's an email address >> Don't be silly, Jack's perfectly correct. > Don't say I am silly or we will fall out. Explain why he is correct > instead. I have obviously misunderstood something. Gmail is just a mail service. It handles email messages only; these are sent to named recipients. Usenet works differently; messages are posted at one site, that site makes them available to all of its registered readers and then shares them with other sites which do the same thing. It can take many hops from site to site before every site that has a Usenet news service has a message available to all of its readers. (When a message is sent out over Usenet, you have no way of knowing who's going to read it). The software that does this is entirely unlike email software and only very small operations try to do both with the same machinery. Google is not small. Because sending a Usenet message gets to so many readers so fast in such an uncontrolled way, most sites are rather careful about checking people's credentials before letting them loose on the world - services like AOL do it by giving you Usenet access as part of a package deal, others like news.individual.net (the one you use) have a reasonably tight registration process and take care to monitor what people are doing with their service. Google is nowhere near careful enough, and some services (often called "anonymous remailers" though they handle news, not mail) are designed specifically to help spammers and people bent on electronic harassment. Probably the nastiest of all of them is nym.alias.net, run by a bunch of fratboy thugs at MIT who hide behind their institution's prestige and weird policies. It's *well* worth filtering out all messages posted from these - the other main one is "dizum" in Denmark. On most services you can set the email address that appears on messages posted to Usenet to be anything at all. I could have posted this with your name and email address in the "From:" line with about a minute's work. Your service doesn't like people changing the displayed address after registration - I'm not sure if they can do anything about it though. But they're an exception, most don't care. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >>>>> You *can't* post to Usenet from gmail.com. It isn't a news server. >>>> Of course you can, it's an email address [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > and weird policies. It's *well* worth filtering out all messages > posted from these - the other main one is "dizum" in Denmark. Thank your for your explanation. > On most services you can set the email address that appears on messages > posted to Usenet to be anything at all. I could have posted this with > your name and email address in the "From:" line with about a minute's > work. Your service doesn't like people changing the displayed address > after registration - I'm not sure if they can do anything about it though. > But they're an exception, most don't care. Does this mean you tried and failed? They don't like it at all, my guess would be they would cancel your post. NIN are very hot on things, strangely enough I was just reading their website earlier today. I hadn't quite realised how strict they are. I think there are a line of people on NIN just checking things out. ;-) They are very quick to spot spam floods and delete them IME. Tweed >> On most services you can set the email address that appears on messages >> posted to Usenet to be anything at all. I could have posted this with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> But they're an exception, most don't care. > Does this mean you tried and failed? I thought about using their service at a time when Demon's wasn't working well. But it appeared you had to use your real email address in postings, and I didn't want to have mine made useless by a flood of spam so I stuck with Demon instead. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >>> On most services you can set the email address that appears on >>> messages posted to Usenet to be anything at all. I could have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > address in postings, and I didn't want to have mine made useless > by a flood of spam so I stuck with Demon instead. It is totally possible. I have been using individual.net for a few years now and my email address is munged. It is totally obvious what the real one is, but still, it is unusable in the form that it's displayed in. I have never heard anything from individual.net telling me not to do it. Every year my subscription gets renewed with no problems. I intend to use them for as long as their service continues to be as excellent as it is now. I hardly ever see a spam post unless someone replies to it. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://picasaweb.google.com/badwilson >Google is nowhere near careful enough, and some services (often called >"anonymous remailers" though they handle news, not mail) are designed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and weird policies. It's *well* worth filtering out all messages >posted from these - the other main one is "dizum" in Denmark. That is not the only use for "anonymous remailers" and they are not designed specifically to help spammers: they are designed to provide a service which happens to be used by spammers and others. I use a remailer because I think it a good idea to have my own domain name but do not have a server or whatever. Whenever you send an email to <cat2@blakjak.com> it passes through a remailer which redirects it to cat2 [at] blakjak [dot] demon [dot] co [dot] uk, which is my "real" email address [or eddress, as I like to call it]. In fact the firm that acts as my registrar for blakjak.com also provides a remailing service. This also works for my website: if you try the URL http://blakjak.com in fact the remailer redirects you to http://blakjak.demon.co.uk, my correct URL. The service from my remailer/registrar was poor until this year, when it became dreadful. I have also built up a lovely spam base, by which I get something around 3000 emails a day, very few from gmail.com! While my anti-spam fights them quite well, I should like to get rid of a lot of them, which is why I have now acquired blakjak [dot] org. It is with a different remailer/registrar, who seem much better. Thus you should always change .com to .org before sending an email to me. But I do not want the new eddress to appear en claire so the spammers will not pick it. I am changing the URLs because I believe spammers do not generally work from them. For your information, at the end of this year, blakjak.com and blakjak [dot] org run out. I shall move the former to the latter's registrar, renew both registrations, but while I shall make the remailer work for all URLs, shall abandon emails to blakjak.com completely. But I would have a lot more problems if not for remailers. SignatureDavid Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.org/sty_menu.htm Liverpool, England, UK <cat2@blakjak.com> Emails welcome N Poo: SI O+W B 14 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P+ B+ PA+ PL SC Minke: SI W+Cp B 5 Y L W+ C++ I T A- E H++ V++ F- Q- P B PA+ PL+ SC- Please substitute .org for .com else eddresses will fail this year >>>>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed As he says an email address isn't a newsserver, just as you post through NIN because Wanadoo no longer provide a news sevice gmail never have. Your comment "Of course you can" when you were wrong, does make you look silly. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending addy is >>> different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 > stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 Ok, so I worded my reply incorrectly: she may not have sent it from gmail.com, as, technically, it's not a news server, but the point is still valid: the OP (in the other thread) said she was blocking all senders from the gmail.com domain. The followup from Kathy asked whether she would be blocked, since she uses a gmail.com address. I was pointing out that, if the OP's filter is set up as I suspect, Kathy will be blocked, no matter what actual news server she sends from. SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh > Ok, so I worded my reply incorrectly: she may not have sent it from > gmail.com, as, technically, it's not a news server, but the point is > still valid: the OP (in the other thread) said she was blocking all > senders from the gmail.com domain. I understood that. I was saying why it was a bad idea. The email address a spammer uses can be anything, but only a few news servers are so badly run as to let them post. Google Groups is by far the worst, and filtering out articles posted from there would be a much better idea. You could either identify them by the "Path:" line, which includes both "googlegroups.com" and "postnews.google.com", or by the "Organization:" line, which says "http://groups.google.com". (Which said, that would kill what *I* post when I'm on holiday; there's no easy way to use Demon's news server from an internet cafe, so Google is the only option I've got, godawful as it is). The other site well worth a total plonk is shaw.ca. They must have 99 spammers for every legit user. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >> Ok, so I worded my reply incorrectly: she may not have sent it from >> gmail.com, as, technically, it's not a news server, but the point is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The other site well worth a total plonk is shaw.ca. They must have > 99 spammers for every legit user. Jack i use xnews and you can show selected headers so you can read if someone is posting useing google, and i have found myself kill fileing people who use google to post from >>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending addy is >>> different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > 4760 > < I don't use gmail. However, I just checked the "properties" for Kathy's mail, and it shows gmail in the "from" line (whereas yours shows a bogus email address). So, she could post from a different account or could anonymize the one she is using. MaryL >>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > MaryL If she wanted she could put a munged address in the from line and her gmail address in the reply to line. I have my gmail address in the reply to line and it gets by Jill's filter. Another advantage is most bots only harvest addressses from the from line, 95% of the spam recieve goes to the address in my from line, so far none to my gmail address. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending addy is > different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot of spam. > Kathy Kathy, I'd bet that if Jill doesn't respond to your OP, you've been killfiled by her blanket filter. SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh >> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot >> of spam. Kathy > > Kathy, I'd bet that if Jill doesn't respond to your OP, you've been > killfiled by her blanket filter. I can still see posts people reply to :) I apologize to Kathy and everyone else who are nice, normal people! But I'm sick of seeing kiddie posts about boobs other parts of the anatomy. Then there are the *really* offensive hateful racist and homophobic posts so it was time to let the gmail domain go for a while. Used to be AOL posters, then webTV posters. Now gmail has taken up the gauntlet for hosting posts by idiots. (No offense Kathy!) And don't bother trying abuse@ because google doesn't give a rip. Jill > I can still see posts people reply to :) I apologize to Kathy and > everyone else who are nice, normal people! But I'm sick of seeing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > posts by idiots. (No offense Kathy!) And don't bother trying abuse@ > because google doesn't give a rip. That's not true. It takes them a while, but they do go after miscreants. Chak SignatureA woman who seeks to be equal with men lacks ambition. --Fortune cookie > I can still see posts people reply to :) I apologize to Kathy and everyone > else who are nice, normal people! But I'm sick of seeing kiddie posts about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jill Jill what about yahoo or hotmail, they are pretty bad with the trolls and i am not really prepared to kill file a whole domain because of some nasty trolls, but hey whatever works for you kiddo<G> >> I can still see posts people reply to :) I apologize to Kathy and >> everyone else who are nice, normal people! But I'm sick of seeing [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and i am not really prepared to kill file a whole domain because of > some nasty trolls, but hey whatever works for you kiddo<G> I'm not talking about trolls. These people don't even care about stirring up sh.t in newsgroups. They're just making stupid posts (now that school is out) like "Look at Britney's BOOBS!" and "Britney's Boobs Explode", etc.with links to their personal blogs. Like anyone cares about their blogs. These posts come almost exclusively from gmail.addresses and are from teens or college aged idiots. I've got my own mighty fine boobs; I don't need to look at plastic ones :) That's just one example but I got tired of killfiling inDUHviduals. So until their mommy's take away computers I'm afraid gmail.com is off my radar for the time being. Jill > I'm not talking about trolls. These people don't even care about stirring > up sh.t in newsgroups. They're just making stupid posts (now that school is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jill Actually, some of the links in those posts are likely to be attempts to spread worms, trojans or other viruses, so one should always ignore them, and for that matter, not even reply with a snide or nasty retort that includes the link again, as that just continues to expose unsuspecting readers to the risk. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir here, but I wanted to point out that they're not all just school kids looking for "fun." SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh >> I'm not talking about trolls. These people don't even care about >> stirring up sh.t in newsgroups. They're just making stupid posts [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir here, but I wanted to point > out that they're not all just school kids looking for "fun." That's true enough, and I don't click on links posted by anyone I don't know! Just common sense, really. I was totally surprised when someone I know pretty well posted in another ng that when she tried to open the link some stranger had posted it locked up her PC. I (and many others) were stunned she even attempted it! Jill >>> I'm not talking about trolls. These people don't even care about >>> stirring up sh.t in newsgroups. They're just making stupid posts [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jill We even need to be cautious about opening links and attachments from people we *think* we know. Spammers "harvest" addresses and often send email messages that only look like they are from friends when they were actually sent by more malicious sources. Likewise, messages frequently appear on usenet that are deliberately made to look like they were posted by "regulars" but were not. MaryL > We even need to be cautious about opening links and attachments from people > we *think* we know. Spammers "harvest" addresses and often send email > messages that only look like they are from friends when they were actually > sent by more malicious sources. Likewise, messages frequently appear on > usenet that are deliberately made to look like they were posted by > "regulars" but were not. That's a very good point. I got an e-mail (allegedly) from my brother once, and when I tried to open it (just to read it) my anti-virus alerted me that it carried a worm. I called my brother to warn him that his computer may have been infected, because of the e-mail I had just gotten from him, and he said, "What e-mail? SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh >> We even need to be cautious about opening links and attachments from >> people we *think* we know. Spammers "harvest" addresses and often [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > infected, because of the e-mail I had just gotten from him, and he > said, "What e-mail? also guys what about the nigerian email that well seem to get from time to time. >>> We even need to be cautious about opening links and attachments from >>> people we *think* we know. Spammers "harvest" addresses and often [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > also guys what about the nigerian email that well seem to get from time to > time. Most of that seems to consist of scams intended to separate people from their money (by convincing us that we are going to receive huge profits). I have never understood how anyone could fall for that junk, but apparently people do. However, they don't seem to be loaded with viruses, trojans, or worms. I seldom see them any more because I don't even open mail that looks suspicious, and those are usually obvious. MaryL > Most of that seems to consist of scams intended to separate people > from their money (by convincing us that we are going to receive huge [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > MaryL Plus people have gotten smarter about that, and i don`t open emails from people i dont know >>> I can still see posts people reply to :) I apologize to Kathy and >>> everyone else who are nice, normal people! But I'm sick of seeing [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jill I understand jill and i am tempted to do the same thing at times with gmail. >>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jill There is a difference between Google Groups and gmail, it's google groups that's the problem. Kathy is posting from Comcast but using her gmail address. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > groups that's the problem. Kathy is posting from Comcast but using > her gmail address. I said that wrong. It's gmail.com, not Google Groups, where the problem is generating. And I reiterate, the problem isn't here and certainly not with Kathy! It's in other newsgroups where people are posting about Britney Spears' boobs and so on and so forth. Like anyone cares. But it's time for teenathon since school is out for summer. I don't have the patience for it right now. gmail.com is the new AOL and the new wave of WebTV'rs posting idiocy and then wondering why people tell them to go away, like shooing a fly off a cooling pie. Mmmmmm, pie ;) Jill >>>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Jill Out of curiosity, can you see this post? The from address remains the same but I've put my gmail address in the reply to. BTW gmail.com doesn't provide usenet so that's just an address people choose to use. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > same but I've put my gmail address in the reply to. BTW gmail.com > doesn't provide usenet so that's just an address people choose to use. Of course I can see this post. As I can see any post from any blocked sender once someone replies to it. If people here choose to use gmail.com as an email address I won't see their initial posts. Doesn't matter what ISP they use. Comprende? Jill >>>>>>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>>>>>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Jill Did you actually read what I said? I put my gmail address in the reply to. You obiously saw my post because you reolied directly to it. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I said that wrong. It's gmail.com, not Google Groups, where the problem is > generating. And I reiterate, the problem isn't here and certainly not with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jill Webtv is for people who cant afford computers and i have killfiled them because they make the old AOL look smart, and yahoo is not much better. >>> My reply addy is a gmail.com one. Do I get killfiled? My sending >>> addy is different... I use gmail for reply so that I don't get a lot [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jill That was my reason for replying to Kathy's post -- so you'd see it! I understand your distaste -- disgust?? -- for all the crap that gets posted these days... There are filters that are slightly less all-consuming, and some programs have "exception rules" where you can allow certain posters even if they fit your "ignore" category. Anyway, if Kathy needs to reach you, Jill, I'm sure one of us will reply to her so you'll see her post. SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh |
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