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Pat - 11 May 2007 20:06 GMT
Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.
mlbriggs - 11 May 2007 20:16 GMT
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
> hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.
 

Sending purrs that it is not serious.  MLB
Joy - 11 May 2007 20:20 GMT
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
> hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.

Purrs are on the way.  I hope the pain goes away just as quickly as it came.

Joy
Adrian A - 11 May 2007 20:26 GMT
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it.
> Going to hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be
> appreciated.

Purrs on the way.
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dberry@mitre.org - 11 May 2007 20:47 GMT
Healing purrs for a pain-free shoulder.

Debbie

On May 11, 3:06 pm, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
> hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.
jmcquown - 11 May 2007 21:07 GMT
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it.
> Going to hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be
> appreciated.

Purrs on the way.  I woke up once with a pinched nerve in my neck.  Hadn't
done anything more than sleep.  But I couldn't turn my head.  My shoulder
still bothers me as a result of this.

Jill
Pat - 11 May 2007 21:40 GMT
I could not get a ride so I didn't make it to see a doc. Will try again
later if pain continues. Difficult to type with one hand.
Sherry - 11 May 2007 22:41 GMT
On May 11, 3:40 pm, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:
> I could not get a ride so I didn't make it to see a doc. Will try again
> later if pain continues. Difficult to type with one hand.

Pat, if you develop any other symptoms like shortness of breath, chest
pain,
numbness, nausea, don't wait for a ride. Call the ambulance ASAP.
If you have any plain aspirin, chew a couple of them now.

Sherry
Pat - 12 May 2007 00:04 GMT
| Pat, if you develop any other symptoms like shortness of breath, chest
| pain,
| numbness, nausea, don't wait for a ride. Call the ambulance ASAP.
| If you have any plain aspirin, chew a couple of them now.

Sherry, it's joint pain only. Feels something like a stone in my shoe, only
a lot higher.
mlbriggs - 12 May 2007 00:57 GMT
> | Pat, if you develop any other symptoms like shortness of breath, chest
> | pain,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Sherry, it's joint pain only. Feels something like a stone in my shoe, only
> a lot higher.

When I was in my mud 30s, I had an  horrific pain in my shoulder.  It was
eventually diagnosed as bursitis with acute tendinitis.  I had been
rearranging a lot of books at work.  Have you done any unusual activity
regarding lifting or carrying?
Pat - 12 May 2007 01:30 GMT
| When I was in my mud 30s, I had an  horrific pain in my shoulder.  It was
| eventually diagnosed as bursitis with acute tendinitis.  I had been
| rearranging a lot of books at work.  Have you done any unusual activity
| regarding lifting or carrying?

Not in the last few days.
mlbriggs - 12 May 2007 04:13 GMT
> | When I was in my mud 30s, I had an  horrific pain in my shoulder.  It was
> | eventually diagnosed as bursitis with acute tendinitis.  I had been
> | rearranging a lot of books at work.  Have you done any unusual activity
> | regarding lifting or carrying?
>
> Not in the last few days.

Bursitis is a "wear and tear" condition.  It can come on slowly, or
sometimes by accident.  The tendinitis is usually inflammation of the
attached tendons.
mlbriggs - 12 May 2007 04:17 GMT
> | When I was in my mud 30s, I had an  horrific pain in my shoulder.  It was
> | eventually diagnosed as bursitis with acute tendinitis.  I had been
> | rearranging a lot of books at work.  Have you done any unusual activity
> | regarding lifting or carrying?
>
> Not in the last few days.

How about in the last few weeks?  Bursitis is a "wear ad tear" disease.
It can come on slowly over a long period of time.  Then again, an
accidental injury can cause it too.  Purrs that your pain is getting
better.   MLB
Pat - 12 May 2007 05:12 GMT
| > | When I was in my mud 30s, I had an  horrific pain in my shoulder.  It was
| > | eventually diagnosed as bursitis with acute tendinitis.  I had been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
| accidental injury can cause it too.  Purrs that your pain is getting
| better.   MLB

I've use my arms a lot in the last few weeks but never injured it to my
knowledge. The pain is just about paralyzing to the arm. Goes into my neck
and down to the hand. I can't raise the upper arm at all - not even an inch.
mlbriggs - 12 May 2007 06:19 GMT
> | > | When I was in my mud 30s, I had an  horrific pain in my shoulder.  It
> was
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> knowledge. The pain is just about paralyzing to the arm. Goes into my neck
> and down to the hand. I can't raise the upper arm at all - not even an inch.

I'd almost bet on the diagnosis and I am not a betting person.  You should
see a doctor.  If it is bursitis, a shot of cortisone will do wonders.  
My family physician had me use  an anti-inflammatory without results.  He
then sent me to an orthopedic doctor.   In any event, you should see a
doctor to find out what is causing the pain.  Best wishes.  MLB

orthopedic specialist.
Pat - 12 May 2007 06:41 GMT
| I'd almost bet on the diagnosis and I am not a betting person.  You should
| see a doctor.  If it is bursitis, a shot of cortisone will do wonders.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
|
| orthopedic specialist.

Over the weekend I am going to try my old standby for this kind of thing:
arnica gel topped with DMSO. If it's not improved by Monday morning, I will
get to the doc. Although I doubt they will send a poor person to any kind of
specialist.
Winnie - 12 May 2007 13:37 GMT
On May 12, 1:41 am, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

> | I'd almost bet on the diagnosis and I am not a betting person.  You should
> | see a doctor.  If it is bursitis, a shot of cortisone will do wonders.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> get to the doc. Although I doubt they will send a poor person to any kind of
> specialist.

Sounds like Frozen Shoulder to me. I think you need to see a
physiotherapist.  DMSO will probably help more than arnica gel. Trying
massaging your should with the opposite hand if you can

Winnie, who had my share of shoulder pain and my shoulder
is acting up again right now.
Lesley - 12 May 2007 14:45 GMT
> Winnie, who had my share of shoulder pain and my shoulder
> is acting up again right now.

You have my sympathy both of you. I've had an an and off painful left
shoulder for years, think it started when the top box of a wardrobe
came down hard on my left shoulder and I couldn't get out from under
it until my mum heard me yelling for help so I had this heavy thing on
my shoulder for almost half an hour.

At the time, it was bruised and a bit sore for a few weeks then passed
off apart from an incident a year or so later when  I was talking to
someone and turned my head to the left to listen to someone on the
other side of me. I didn't jerk my neck or anything but my neck
muscles chose this moment to go into spasm. I had the classic wry
neck, this is not a  good thing to have on a Saturday night in London,
the nearest hospital was Guy's but they were short staffed and had
major emergencies coming in so suggested I make my way back to my
local hospital, which was Oldchurch at the time (This was a few months
before I met Dave). They said I really needed a neck brace but they
were busy and short staffed so told me to go home and take two
aspirin- it was 4 days before I could turn my head to the right
without having to bite my lip

Anyway I then went into bookselling, day in and day out of lifting
heavy boxes often having to balance them on my shoulder and never a
day's pain

Until I started office work...Since then for no apparent reason every
so often it flares up, when it was bad I couldn't lie on my left side
in bed and I can't lift my arm over my head, which made doing up a bra
or pulling on a t-shirt a matter of great mental effort to force
myself to do it.

I used to work at an orthopaedic hospital and if that has one perk I
didn't have to wait to see one of the top shoulder guy's, I just asked
him while I was handing over his paperwork if he'd mind having a quick
look. He did but said without further tests he couldn't determine
exactly what was wrong but he suspected the acromioclavicular joint
was damaged and urged me to hold off for as long as I could from
surgery...Like I needed to be told to hold off!

Anyway about 18 months ago, one of the local chemists had a masseuse,
he's this guy who has his massage chair in the chemist and you turn up
and get back, neck and shoulder for £3.00 for 5 minutes or £5.00 for
10. Well I figured it couldn't do any harm so I gave it a try

The next two days I was eating painkillers like sweets! I was
convinced he must have done some serious damage but on the third day
my shoulder was only a bit sore and by day 4, it didn't hurt at all

So now I go to my masseuse once a month and apart from occasional
stiffness I don't have any trouble unless I forget to go (in which
case my shoulder reminds me) or he's on holiday, last August I had to
go 6 weeks without a massage, I had the day he got back ringed in red
in my diary! If I had been left handed I don't think I could have even
worked for the last fortnight of it. If I rolled onto my left side in
my sleep I woke up because of it

I just live in dread of him getting a better offer or moving because
I'll have to go even if he moves to Australia for my once a month
session!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Pat - 12 May 2007 15:17 GMT
I just live in dread of him getting a better offer or moving because
I'll have to go even if he moves to Australia for my once a month
session!

------

That's how I felt about my chiropractor (best in the USA if not the world)
whose office is now 130 miles away and I haven't gone in two years. When I
lived in Arkansas I saw him at least once a month and when I decided to buy
a house, the town where he lives is the first place I looked. That was 25
months ago and I still haven't been back there. I am afraid he will retire
before I make it to see him one last time.
Lesley - 12 May 2007 17:19 GMT
I saw him at least once a month and when I decided to buy
> a house, the town where he lives is the first place I looked.

Believe me if this guy did emigrate to Australia I'd have to ask the
Australian High Commission if I could get a permament visa to stay
there "on my health grounds"

Think they'd go for it?

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Winnie - 12 May 2007 22:32 GMT
> > Winnie, who had my share of shoulder pain and my shoulder
> > is acting up again right now.
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

For years I used to go for a massage once a month when I had a job.
I found it did help my shoulder problems. A combination of massage,
exercises, and accpunture finally cleared my problems. . It did take
over a year though. Now my shoulder problem is recurring. I am not
exactly looking forward to more needles. I like being massaged on a
massage table better than chair massage. But in a pinch I  will settle
for the latter. My massage therapist is also a fitness trainer. So she
can advise me on the appropriate exercises for my shoulders and neck.

Winnie
Pat - 12 May 2007 22:46 GMT
For years I used to go for a massage once a month when I had a job.
I found it did help my shoulder problems. A combination of massage,
exercises, and accpunture finally cleared my problems. . It did take
over a year though. Now my shoulder problem is recurring. I am not
exactly looking forward to more needles. I like being massaged on a
massage table better than chair massage. But in a pinch I  will settle
for the latter. My massage therapist is also a fitness trainer. So she
can advise me on the appropriate exercises for my shoulders and neck.

Oh, to have a massage again!!! My ex used to do them before he took off.
There's an absolutely great MST here in Ava and I used to go to her
occasionally before I decided to buy a house. As it is now, I'll be unable
to afford a single massage for the rest of my life :(
jofirey - 12 May 2007 22:53 GMT
On 12 May, 05:37, Winnie <w...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

So now I go to my masseuse once a month and apart from occasional
stiffness I don't have any trouble unless I forget to go (in which
case my shoulder reminds me) or he's on holiday, last August I had to
go 6 weeks without a massage, I had the day he got back ringed in red
in my diary! If I had been left handed I don't think I could have even
worked for the last fortnight of it. If I rolled onto my left side in
my sleep I woke up because of it

I just live in dread of him getting a better offer or moving because
I'll have to go even if he moves to Australia for my once a month
session!

Lesley

I know the feeling.  I retired shortly after my chiropractor did.  Always in
the weeks before tax returns were due, my right arm would start to hurt
until finally I couldn't even hold a pencil in my hand.  I had standing
appointments to see her in March and April.  Then occasionally the rest of
the year.

But she was the old fashioned sort of chiropractor.  I don't much like or
trust the younger ones I've seen and they don't do my any good.  So I don't
use them at all any more.

Jo
mlbriggs - 12 May 2007 15:51 GMT
> On May 12, 1:41 am, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Winnie, who had my share of shoulder pain and my shoulder
> is acting up again right now.

I have frozen shoulder too.   It started with bursitis in my mid 30s (a
long time ago)  It takes a long time and lots of therapy to improve,
I guess I tried everything under the sun.  The cortisone shots finally
gave relief  for a long time.  But!  it can return    MLB
Winnie - 12 May 2007 22:23 GMT
On May 12, 10:51 am, mlbriggs >
> I have frozen shoulder too.   It started with bursitis in my mid 30s (a
> long time ago)  It takes a long time and lots of therapy to improve,
> I guess I tried everything under the sun.  The cortisone shots finally
> gave relief  for a long time.  But!  it can return    MLB- Hide quoted text -

When I first had my shoulder problem, my doctor said it was bursitis
and referred me to physiotherapy.
Since I didn't have private supplementary insurance at the time,
I went on a waiting list of a publicly funded physio clinic. While
waiting, I went to a Chinese practioner who specialized in this kind
of ailments. He said I had frozen shoulder. But the physiotherapist
who finally worked on me said I didn't have frozen shoulder as I could
still move my arms and shoulders pretty well. She said it was my poor
posture that was the root cause. Eventually it was accupunture that
resolved my shoulder problem.

Winnie
Pat - 12 May 2007 22:51 GMT
| When I first had my shoulder problem, my doctor said it was bursitis
| and referred me to physiotherapy.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
| posture that was the root cause. Eventually it was accupunture that
| resolved my shoulder problem.

Try Structural Integration if you can afford it or insurance covers it.
That's what finally solved my back problem in 1996-7 (I took both the
initial ten sessions and the advanced series, over a one-year period). Too
bad I fell through a rotten floor onto my head and nearly broke my neck in
early '98, or I would have gone back to work. Thankfully my ex was still
around and we could at least afford some treatment, but I was never quite
the same after that.
Winnie - 11 May 2007 22:52 GMT
On May 11, 4:40 pm, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:
> I could not get a ride so I didn't make it to see a doc. Will try again
> later if pain continues. Difficult to type with one hand.

Purrs going your way.

I had  shoulder pain a year or two ago and  underwent physiotherapy
for over a year.  What finally cured me was accupunture. My should
pain is recurring right now. Prescribed exercises and masage also
helped.

Hope you get to see a doc soon.

Winnie
Ginger-lyn - 12 May 2007 00:40 GMT
> I could not get a ride so I didn't make it to see a doc. Will try again
> later if pain continues. Difficult to type with one hand.

{{{{Pat}}}}}  Hope you see the doc soon and are okay.  Lotsa purrs
coming your way.

Ginger-lyn
Daniel Mahoney - 11 May 2007 21:52 GMT
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
> hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.

All the purrs we can muster coming your way.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 11 May 2007 21:54 GMT
Pat wrote:

> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going
> to hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.

I'm glad you're going to the hospital - that sounds worrisome.
Please keep us posted!

Purrs,
Joyce
Sherry - 11 May 2007 22:37 GMT
On May 11, 2:06 pm, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:
> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
> hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.

Purrs coming. What you describe can be many things, but it is
certainly to be taken seriously. Keep us posted.

Sherry
Irulan - 11 May 2007 23:10 GMT
Purring and praying it isn't serious.

Lily & her mama

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> Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
> hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.
Kreisleriana - 12 May 2007 16:27 GMT
>Woke up with extreme pain in my left shoulder. Did not injure it. Going to
>hospital now. Your cats' purrs joined with mine will be appreciated.

Yikes!  Purrs on the way.

Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War
Pat - 12 May 2007 18:27 GMT
Last night I washed my hands and shoulder then applied arnica gel topped
with DMSO, and when I woke up the pain was about 40% less. Put on another
application of the remedy a while ago and it seems to be reducting the pain
even more. I still can't raise my arm but the shoulder is less tender to the
touch and there is less referred pain in the arm and neck.

This couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's been raining recently and
the grass is getting too long for my reel mower, which I can't push with
this shoulder thing going on. And lots of other chores await that are long
overdue as well.

Thanks for the purrs, please keep 'em coming.
Jack Campin - bogus address - 12 May 2007 19:13 GMT
> This couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's been raining recently
> and the grass is getting too long for my reel mower, which I can't push
> with this shoulder thing going on. And lots of other chores await that
> are long overdue as well.

Have you considered that this might be the Lord telling you that cutting
grass is a waste of time?

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Sherry - 12 May 2007 19:20 GMT
On May 12, 1:13 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address
<b...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > This couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's been raining recently
> > and the grass is getting too long for my reel mower, which I can't push
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Have you considered that this might be the Lord telling you that cutting
> grass is a waste of time?

Well, I'd go for that. Cutting grass is a colossal waste of time. I
keep telling DH we
need to sow the whole yard in wildflower seeds and call it a
"sanctuary". LOL.

Sherry
Pat - 12 May 2007 20:13 GMT
Jack Campin  wrote:
| > > This couldn't have happened at a worse time. It's been raining recently
| > > and the grass is getting too long for my reel mower, which I can't push
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
| need to sow the whole yard in wildflower seeds and call it a
| "sanctuary". LOL.

I wish the City of Ava would let me get away with that. I absolutely love
tall grass. But if it gets past a certain point they come and mow it for you
and charge you $50.
Sherry - 12 May 2007 20:52 GMT
On May 12, 2:13 pm, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

> Jack Campin  wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> tall grass. But if it gets past a certain point they come and mow it for you
> and charge you $50.

They do here within city limits, too. I kind of understand it. Tall
grass harbors fleas, ticks,
and all kinds of things you don't really want up close to the house.
I'd still like to mow the immediate area around the house, because it
discourages snakes;
they don't like crawling on fresh-mowed grass. But it is totally
ridiculous the size of the yard we mow.
It's probably three acres. There are so much better things to do in
the summer besides
spending eight hours mowing grass.

Sherry
Lucy's Mom - 13 May 2007 18:52 GMT
>On May 12, 1:13 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address
><b...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Sherry
That's precisely what I'm working on on my front acreage.  This is our
third spring in the house and this past winter, we finally had enough
rain to ensure some wildflower's and I've got a good many.  No mowing
until they've gone to seed for next year.  Of course, I've got a ton
of weeds too, but oh well....even those nasty thistles have pretty
purple or yellow flowers.
-- Eric, Kim and the Chigger Ranch Crew
Sherry - 13 May 2007 18:57 GMT
> >On May 12, 1:13 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address
> ><b...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> purple or yellow flowers.
> -- Eric, Kim and the Chigger Ranch Crew- Hide quoted text -

This has been a really good year for wildflowers here; we have had
lots of rain, too. We have a
sea of Indian paintbrushes and Texas bluebonnets. The yarrow is just
starting to bloom and
the Butterfly weed has put on heavy buds. I like the thistles, too (so
do the finches!)
I did plant some sunflowers & broomcorn for the birds out back.
We've tried ordering wildflower seed and haven't had a lot of luck. I
think Mother Nature, as
always is in control of how well they do each year.

Sherry
Pat - 13 May 2007 20:13 GMT
I got to borrow a riding mower long enough to cut about half the yard. The
shoulder is still quite sore but improved from yesterday.
jmcquown - 13 May 2007 20:34 GMT
> I got to borrow a riding mower long enough to cut about half the
> yard. The shoulder is still quite sore but improved from yesterday.

Maybe consider one of those "pain patches" for your arm and shoulder?  I
tried the expensive kind (Icy-hot, and those ThermaCare ones) but the one
that work best for me when my neck & shoulder bothers me is Tiger Balm
patches.  Cheaper, too.

Jill
Pat - 13 May 2007 20:56 GMT
| Maybe consider one of those "pain patches" for your arm and shoulder?  I
| tried the expensive kind (Icy-hot, and those ThermaCare ones) but the one
| that work best for me when my neck & shoulder bothers me is Tiger Balm
| patches.  Cheaper, too.

Thanks for the tip. I will try it if I can find some patches. Sounds like
they would indeed help.
Cantate - 14 May 2007 05:01 GMT
Been offline for a while but reading this with great interest.  I have
been having shoulder pain as well, for about 6 months.  In Japan they
call it "goju-kata" (50-year-old shoulder) and don't take it very
seriously.  I think I need to re-start going to my PT.  Thanks for all
the advice to Pat-- you got me too!

Cantate
Pat - 14 May 2007 06:38 GMT
| Been offline for a while

That would explain why you missed my PING. Has Chibi come home yet?
Winnie - 14 May 2007 14:21 GMT
> Been offline for a while but reading this with great interest.  I have
> been having shoulder pain as well, for about 6 months.  In Japan they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Cantate

Chinese also call it 50-year-old shoulder. That was the diagnosis I
got from the Chinese practitioner.

Winnie
jmcquown - 14 May 2007 15:49 GMT
>> Maybe consider one of those "pain patches" for your arm and
>> shoulder?  I tried the expensive kind (Icy-hot, and those ThermaCare
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks for the tip. I will try it if I can find some patches. Sounds
> like they would indeed help.

Should be available in any drugstore, even in a small town ;)  Brands may
vary, of course, but I found a surprisingly large and confusing selection!
(Of course, this was at a Walgreen's; don't know if you have one nearby.)
My budget being what it is, after spending the extra $$ for the ones
advertised on TV I tried the Tiger Balm patches (they also actually make a
balm which helps, too).  They provide a nice soothing mentholated heat that
lasts 6-8 hours; they adhere better than the more expensive ones, too!
Cantate - 15 May 2007 09:28 GMT
Those patches are called "shippu" in Japanese-- what are they in
Chinese, Winnie?

Cantate
Winnie - 15 May 2007 13:36 GMT
> Those patches are called "shippu" in Japanese-- what are they in
> Chinese, Winnie?
>
> Cantate

Sorry, I don't know what they are called in Chinese. I have never seen
or look for these patches.
I used Tiger Balm in cream form  when I was a kid, but only for
ailments like tummy ache.

Winnie
Pat - 15 May 2007 16:59 GMT
Has Chibi returned???
Cantate - 16 May 2007 03:57 GMT
On May 16, 12:59 am, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
wrote:
> Has Chibi returned???

No.  I still send out "come home Chibi" brainwave messages, though.

Cantate
Pat - 16 May 2007 05:31 GMT
| On May 16, 12:59 am, "Pat" <patricia251.catlit...@centurytel.net>
| wrote:
| > Has Chibi returned???
|
| No.  I still send out "come home Chibi" brainwave messages, though.

So do I.
Cantate - 17 May 2007 01:47 GMT
> | No.  I still send out "come home Chibi" brainwave messages, though.
>
> So do I.

Thank you!!!!!!!  :*)
jmcquown - 15 May 2007 18:24 GMT
> Those patches are called "shippu" in Japanese-- what are they in
> Chinese, Winnie?
>
> Cantate

Tiger Balm is made in Hong Kong :)  I can't read what the label says other
than in English.  I'm about to rub some on my neck and shoulder; I slept
funny last night and it's starting to bother me again today.

Jill
polonca12000 - 15 May 2007 22:16 GMT
> | Maybe consider one of those "pain patches" for your arm and shoulder?  I
> | tried the expensive kind (Icy-hot, and those ThermaCare ones) but the one
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> Thanks for the tip. I will try it if I can find some patches. Sounds like
> they would indeed help.

Hopefully the pain is gone by now, Pat.
Best wishes and purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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