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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2007Another Recall Update
Full story: http://www.itchmo.com/read/fda-melamine-surveilance-order-warns-against-major-he alth-risks_20070509 FDA Warns Staff On Major Melamine Health Risks May 9th, 2007 Itchmo has learned that the FDA has issued a surveillance order for Chinese vegetable proteins including corn gluten and wheat products based on the pet food contamination on May 1. Despite repeated FDA statements saying that there is no risk to human health from contaminated pigs and chickens, the FDA surveillance order indicates otherwise. It even states: Pregnant women should not perform this assignment. FDA document quote: "Melamine and additional related contaminants have been found in concentrations of up to 20% in analyzed samples. The MSDS for pure melamine is attached as Attachment B and includes warnings "to avoid breathing dust, avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing". Chronic exposure may cause cancer or reproductive damage." Clearly, the FDA is concerned with the safety of their own staff's exposure to melamine-tainted foods. Despite this warning, the FDA told the press and us yesterday that animals that ate tainted foods were safe for human consumption. Hugs, CatNipped > Full story: http://www.itchmo.com/read/fda-melamine-surveilance-order-warns-against-major-he alth-risks_20070509 > FDA Warns Staff On Major Melamine Health Risks > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > breathing dust, avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing". Chronic > exposure may cause cancer or reproductive damage." Good thing I am not planning to get pregnant because I had some really hot sex and also LOL grilled some really nice pork medallions the other night. Good thing lobster tails aren't to be avoided, which is really good because they were also yummy (brushed with butter and grilled)! Nor is yellow squash or broccoli or cauliflower. Good thing, because I made a really nice pot of broccoli & cauliflower cheese soup using some milk and good English cheddar. I gather the Brits don't have a problem with wheat or corn gluten in what they feed their cows? Because of course, cows make cheese and also milk. I love ya, Lori, but the fear mongering has to stop someplace. The media will play this up until the cows come home (pardon the pun). Do you personally know anyone who has gotten ill from this? Had any pets die? I have a set of melamine plates that my grandparents ate from for 40 years. They died at a ripe old age. It's not like this is a new invention or even something new introduced into our environment. Heck, you can buy them on eBay if you care to look. I've eaten off them many times an no ill affects. I'm just curious as to why you feel the need to broadcast every little thing about this. Jill > I have a set of melamine plates that my grandparents ate from for 40 years. > They died at a ripe old age. It's not like this is a new invention or even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jill I can't answer for Lori, as I don't know her feelings on the subject. However, my own take on this is that melamine in dinnerware is safe, while melamine in dinner is not. I'd no sooner eat melamine in my food than eat ground glass or ceramic fragments in my Wheaties. To the best of my knowledge no humans have died yet from the contaminated goods. However, we don't know how long this has been going on, whether eating food contaminated with melamine has long-term effects, or what interactions melamine powder has with other chemicals. I, for one, follow this news closely and find it deeply disturbing. Dan > I can't answer for Lori, as I don't know her feelings on the subject. > However, my own take on this is that melamine in dinnerware is safe, while > melamine in dinner is not. I'd no sooner eat melamine in my food than > eat ground glass or ceramic fragments in my Wheaties. Well put. :) > To the best of my knowledge no humans have died yet from the contaminated > goods. However, we don't know how long this has been going on, whether > eating food contaminated with melamine has long-term effects, or what > interactions melamine powder has with other chemicals. I, for one, follow > this news closely and find it deeply disturbing. The issue is, other animals *have* died of it, so we know the stuff is dangerous. We don't know if it's dangerous to humans, but it's certainly worth keeping an eye on it. Joyce > > I can't answer for Lori, as I don't know her feelings on the subject. > > However, my own take on this is that melamine in dinnerware is safe, while [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > dangerous. We don't know if it's dangerous to humans, but it's certainly > worth keeping an eye on it. Well, yeah. Humans are considerably larger than cats or most dogs, so it might well take a lot more of the stuff to kill them - that doesn't mean that it CAN'T. > Humans are considerably larger than cats or most dogs, so it might > well take a lot more of the stuff to kill them - that doesn't mean > that it CAN'T. Which prompts a question I'd never thought of before. There are quite a few things harmless to people but deadly to cats - onions and cetrimide, for two - but I've never heard of one that worked the other way round. Is there anything? ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 > > Humans are considerably larger than cats or most dogs, so it might > > well take a lot more of the stuff to kill them - that doesn't mean > > that it CAN'T. > Which prompts a question I'd never thought of before. There are quite a > few things harmless to people but deadly to cats - onions and cetrimide, > for two - but I've never heard of one that worked the other way round. > Is there anything? Salmonella? OK, it's not deadly to healthy, non-elderly adults, but it easily can be deadly to babies or toddlers, old people, or anyone with a compromised immune system, etc. Whereas I think cats are generally not susceptible to it because of their short intestines. (Although I suppose an immune-compromised cat might be more at risk, too.) Maybe other dangerous bacteria such as e-coli work the same way, I don't know. Joyce > > > Humans are considerably larger than cats or most dogs, so it might > > > well take a lot more of the stuff to kill them - that doesn't mean [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Maybe other dangerous bacteria such as e-coli work the same way, I don't > know. Also, I think most bacteria and/virus infections (other than rabies, of course) are species-specific - they only infect humans, or dogs, or cats or whatever - not other animals. >> I have a set of melamine plates that my grandparents ate from for 40 years. >> They died at a ripe old age. It's not like this is a new invention or even [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dan I feel the same way Dan. I think this may have a LOT to do with the sudden increase the last few years of wheat gluten intolerance. There have been news stories everywhere about that about how it was thought to be rare but now seems very common. I have to wonder is it really intolerance or a side effect of human consumption of the same thing that is killing pets (and even the FDA now admits probably as many as 4000 animals have died and at least 17,000 taken ill). Personally, I feel that all the dead animals are canaries in the coal mine. > > Full story: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Jill- Hide quoted text - I read the link, and for the life of me, I could find *no* reference to eating off Melmac dinnerware. I've followed the story semi-closely, and have never heard that old dinnerware even mentioned. Where did you come up with that? Sherry > I love ya, Lori, but the fear mongering has to stop someplace. The media > will play this up until the cows come home (pardon the pun). Do you > personally know anyone who has gotten ill from this? Had any pets die? Yes, actually, I have, a coworker. And my local newspaper, The Houston Chronicle, has quite a few commentaries posted by people here who have lost cats. The "offiicial" number of 16 animal deaths is bullsh*t! It's more like 1,400 now according to the AVMA - and they say that's a conservative number. I believe fear-mongering to be spreading gossip and wild tales in order to scare people about an imaginary or non-existent danger. Simply reporting news stories about a *real* danger to humans and our beloved fur babies is, to me anyway, just a common-sense "heads up". I have signed up for emails from Itchmo in order to keep up on the latest developments in this ongoing fiasco, and just thought I would share those updates with others here. I'm very sorry that you think I am fear-mongering, I truly had no wish to upset anyone here. Hugs, CatNipped > I love ya, Lori, but the fear mongering has to stop someplace. > I'm just curious as to why you feel the need to broadcast every little thing > about this. Is there that fine a line between fear mongering and being informed? I, for one, want to see as many references and updates as I can handle. I have a strong suspicion that this is still developing (it has already developed far beyond the initial reports: one food element contaminated and something like only 16 pet deaths) and I'm beginning to think it could in fact have affected food that I eat. My fear, such as it is, is that I won't know about something I'm eating or feeding my cat until it's too late. There is no obligation on anyone's part to read posts they don't have an interest it.  SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh > I have a set of melamine plates that my grandparents ate from for 40 years. > They died at a ripe old age. It's not like this is a new invention or even [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm just curious as to why you feel the need to broadcast every little thing > about this. To quote Laura Huxley in her book "You Are Not the Target": "Some people go through life with the attitude that the world is a loaded gun, aimed directly at their heads." Of course we should take reasonable precautions to protect ourselves from things we KNOW are harmful, but after all, "life is a fatal disease" - we all have to go SOMETIME! (I've always chuckled over the people who still decry the "dangers" of aluminium cookware - my mom used it, almost exclusively, from the time she first set up housekeeping in the early 1920's, and was healthy and mentally alert for most of her long life, until she died at 102+.) On May 10, 12:37 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I have a set of melamine plates that my grandparents ate from for 40 years. > > They died at a ripe old age. It's not like this is a new invention or even [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "Some people go through life with the attitude that the > world is a loaded gun, aimed directly at their heads." So true! (Guilty of that at times)...Or, to quote a trendier phrase, "It's not always about you." Sherry > Full story: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > CatNipped Thanks for the link. I *am* trying to stay abreast of the news--I think anyone who doesn't want to is sticking their head in the sand. I'm not afraid yet of consuming chicken, etc. but I do think there is reason to be concerned and follow the news about this. Twenty percent is quite high, IMO. I just suddenly remembered something that's kind of disturbing though. If anyone remembers ACCO brand livestock feeds--the OKC plant was bought out by Cargill in the mid-90's. Anyway, I remember back then they built a new feed mill *in* China around 1995 or so, and sent some of the OKC workers to start-up the plant. So, I'm wondering now...if the feed is manufactured *in* China, is it still under our FDA regulations? Or, do they get to by-pass that because they're out of the country? Sherry > I just suddenly remembered something that's kind of disturbing though. > If anyone remembers ACCO [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > still under our FDA regulations? Or, do they get to by-pass that > because they're out of the country? I think that imports are (theoretically) inspected by the FDA before being allowed into the country. However, given the demonstrated corruption and "big business" connections of our current administration, who knows how thorough those inspections may currently be? (Or whether they take place at all?) On May 10, 12:44 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I just suddenly remembered something that's kind of disturbing though. > > If anyone remembers ACCO [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > inspections may currently be? (Or whether they take place > at all?) Evelyn, I just did a quick google search about that. Didn't take the time to do any in-depth reading, but the first hit I got says the FDA inspects 1% of imports coming into the country. That just can't be right, no? I'm going to check further on this, I am curious about it now. Sherry Last night on the local news, they reported that the University of Nebraska at Lincoln now will test your pet food for melamine if you have an animal that has come down with sudden kidney disease. They will also perform necropsies on a dead pet if you would like. It is one of only a few places set up now to do this and they are getting calls from all over. The fee is fairly nominal if you ask me - 50.00 to 250.00 depending on how much needs to be done. Thank you for posting this. Ever since this thing started I scan the headers of this news group for this type of information before I look for other interesting things. 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