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Jane - 06 May 2007 13:07 GMT
I went to the shelter yesterday to see the kittens.  Of course, I
wanted to take ALL of the cats home. They all looked desperately in
need of loving slaves. *sniff*

Problem is, I filled out reams of paperwork and went through an
interview process, only to find out that they needed proof that my
landlords would allow two cats in the apartment.  So last night I dug
out the lease.
"Only one pet per household"   The kiss of death.

I'll still call on Monday, but my hopes are not very high. Oh yeah, I
could just get a kitten from one of the millions that will probably be
advertised in the paper, freecycle, craigslist and just keep an
illegal cat, but that's really not me.  I tend to be obnoxiously
honest.

This is just another reason to start looking into buying my own home.

Jane
- owned and operated by the lonely Princess Rita
MaryL - 06 May 2007 13:09 GMT
>I went to the shelter yesterday to see the kittens.  Of course, I
> wanted to take ALL of the cats home. They all looked desperately in
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> Jane
> - owned and operated by the lonely Princess Rita

Check with your landlords.  Sometimes you can get a modified lease if (1)
you can show that your current cat has not done any damage, and/or (2) you
agree to pay a pet deposit for the second pet.

MaryL
Jane - 06 May 2007 23:29 GMT
On May 6, 8:09 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:

> >I went to the shelter yesterday to see the kittens.  Of course, I
> > wanted to take ALL of the cats home. They all looked desperately in
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> MaryL

That's exactly why I will be calling them tomorrow anyway.  You never
know.
After all, the original pet lease said that the cat must be declawed,
but I asked
them to remove that line immediately.   I have been a model tenant for
3 years.

IF they say yes, then I have an appointment to bring Rita to the
shelter on
Tuesday at 4, when they close.  They want to see how she reacts with
the
kitten before he comes home with us.  (I told them to have the men
around - she'll love that. She loves guys.)

Jane
- owned and operated by Princess Rita
Karen - 07 May 2007 05:12 GMT
>> I went to the shelter yesterday to see the kittens.  Of course, I
>> wanted to take ALL of the cats home. They all looked desperately in
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> MaryL

Mine did. I had three cats though the policy was 2, but they just wrote
it into the lease.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 06 May 2007 21:05 GMT
>I went to the shelter yesterday to see the kittens.  Of course, I
>wanted to take ALL of the cats home. They all looked desperately in
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Jane
>- owned and operated by the lonely Princess Rita

So see if the landlord will give you permission to have a second cat.
Ours doesn't care HOW many felines we have as long as they don't do
any damage to the apartment (I'm sure he knows that if they DID go
beserk and start destroying stuff that as responsible pet-owners we'd
pay to fix it...)
Ginger-lyn - 06 May 2007 23:33 GMT
> I went to the shelter yesterday to see the kittens.  Of course, I
> wanted to take ALL of the cats home. They all looked desperately in
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Jane
> - owned and operated by the lonely Princess Rita

I don't know what your landlord is like, but can you ask him about
adding another cat?  Some landlords will make exceptions, in spite of
what the lease says.

Ginger-lyn
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 06 May 2007 23:48 GMT
> I don't know what your landlord is like, but can you ask him about
> adding another cat?  Some landlords will make exceptions, in spite of
> what the lease says.

I agree with Ginger-lyn on this. But I'd also ask for a change in
writing, if he does agree to let you (Jane) have another cat. Otherwise,
if you should ever get into a conflict with your landlord, he'd have
the perfect excuse to evict you, and it would be your word against his
that he'd agreed to let you have a second cat.

I hate to be paranoid like this, but renting is business, and you have
to protect yourself (and your kitties!).

Good luck!
Joyce
Jane - 07 May 2007 13:37 GMT
On May 6, 6:48 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:

>  > I don't know what your landlord is like, but can you ask him about
>  > adding another cat?  Some landlords will make exceptions, in spite of
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Good luck!
> Joyce

Well, good news.  I talked with the Community Relations person, and
she said that I was
indeed allowed to have two cats. However, I have to do the whole pet
lease/money thing
for the 2nd cat, too.  So I need to get vet papers, a pet lease, a
picture, and pay an extra
$150 deposit and $25 a month for the 2nd cat.  Phew.  They don't even
have a picture of
Rita yet, because I never got around to changing over from Fin to Rita
when the cats
changed. I guess I'll take care of them all at the same time.

Now to call the shelter at 10am and let them know.

Rita's getting a kitten!   I hope, anyway.  (Depends a lot on how she
reacts when
she sees him at the shelter.)

Jane
- owned and operated by Princess Rita
MaryL - 07 May 2007 13:57 GMT
> On May 6, 6:48 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Jane
> - owned and operated by Princess Rita

Jane,

I have a major concern with what the shelter is requesting (not your
decision, I know).  That is, I think it is a very poor idea to ask someone
to bring a cat out of her home environment and ask her to act "normal" at
the shelter.  It is even a very poor idea to introduce the two cats in your
own home until they have each had time to be acclimated to the other.  The
new cat should be in a separate room for awhile, then slowly and carefully
introduce them.  So, don't be surprised or disappointed if Rita or the new
kittend don't "take" to each other at the shelter -- adopt whatever the
outcome, and work on the slow introduction.  Thanks for doing all this!!

MaryL
MaryL - 07 May 2007 14:01 GMT
>> On May 6, 6:48 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> MaryL

One final point...If shelter staff do not absolutely require you to bring
Rita to the shelter, then decline the invitation and simply bring the new
kitten home.  In addition to what I wrote earlier, this policy asks you to
bring Rita to an environment where there could be contagious diseases (UTI
is very common -- indeed, rampant -- in even the best-run shelters).  That
is another reason why the new kitten should be quarantined in a separate
room of your home for awhile (even a bathroom, if you are short on space) --  
with food, water, litter box, lots of toys, plenty of attention from you,
etc.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:     >'o'<
http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Jane - 07 May 2007 14:17 GMT
On May 7, 9:01 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:

> >> On May 6, 6:48 pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> Photos of Duffy and Holly:     >'o'<http://tinyurl.com/8y54(Introducing Duffy to Holly)http://tinyurl.com/8y56(Duffy and Holly "settle in")

They want me to bring Rita to the shelter to see how she will react to
the kitten.  It's a better idea then to bring home
a kitten, then to have to bring it back once it becomes apparent that
she hates it and won't tolerate another cat in
the house.  Heck, I may have to do that anyway.
We are well aware that Rita will be out of her element, scared, and
probably miserable. HOWEVER, she's also a rather
sociable cat, and travels pretty well. I'll bring her stuffed kitten
and bear, and some treats, and a couple of toys to play
with, and of course I'll be there the whole time.  The lobby where
we're going to do this is far away from the d*g area,
so I doubt she'll have a problem with the dogs barking.

As for the slowly introducing stuff at home, it just ain't gonna
happen.  It may be a big apartment, but it's not THAT big.
They're just going to have to tough it out the hard way.  I have to
work all day and don't have the time to do the whole
'slow intro' thing.

We'll manage.

Jane
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2007 20:06 GMT
> As for the slowly introducing stuff at home, it just ain't gonna
> happen.  It may be a big apartment, but it's not THAT big.
> They're just going to have to tough it out the hard way.  I have to
> work all day and don't have the time to do the whole
> 'slow intro' thing.

I really hope you'll reconsider this. I introduced two of my cats very
slowly, and I also work full time and wasn't around during the day. I just
kept the new kitten (Roxy) in my bedroom with the door closed at all times.
If you have a studio with no separate bedroom, then the bathroom (as MaryL
suggested) would also be OK. Little kittens don't require a lot of space,
and in fact when they're new to an environment, it's actually less stressful
for them to be enclosed in a small space.

It can sometimes take a while for the newcomer to be accepted, so there
is a time investment. However, it's really not labor-intensive, from your
point of view. There isn't a lot you have to *do*, other than keeping them
separate most of the time (ideally with a space under the door where they
can sniff each other). Once or twice a day, you can put the kitten into
a carrier, and bring her out into the main part of the house, where Rita
can check her out through the holes in the carrier. Even with that, I
wouldn't do this for more than half an hour per "visit". So it wouldn't
really take a lot of effort, just a bit of planning.

Since you've had trouble with cat introductions in the past, it might not
be an accurate assumption that you'll "manage". And even if they don't end
up hating each other, I thought the point of getting a second cat was so
Rita would have a playmate/companion? So it would be best if they could be
actual friends, not just roommates who barely tolerate each other.

When I brought Roxy home 9 years ago, I was very meticulous and careful
about her introduction to Smudge. But when I brought Licky home, I wasn't
planning to keep him - he was a foster kitty - so I put no effort into the
introduction at all. Final result: Smudge and Roxy became great friends
and played together, groomed each other, and slept all curled up together
for years. Smudge and Licky can't stand each other, and 4 years later, they
still fight every day, so it's never really settled down. Licky gets along
better with Roxy, and they play together, but they're not super close.
Now that might just be Licky's personality, being paranoid and wary all
the time. But it might have worked out better if I'd done a better job of
introducing him into the household.

Joyce
Steve Touchstone - 07 May 2007 14:55 GMT
> I have a major concern with what the shelter is requesting (not your
> decision, I know).  That is, I think it is a very poor idea to ask someone
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> MaryL

I was thinking the same thing. I've brought two new cats into the
apartment, and neither were especially welcomed by Little Bit and
Sammy. They were both well acquainted with Rocky (RB), since he
was a regular fixture whenever I took them out for walks - but it was
still a while before Sammy welcomed him inside, and the best that can
be said is that Little Bit tolerated him. Spotty's introduction was
much
worse - they had to be kept in separate rooms at first to prevent
fights. It was days before I felt I could leave them unsupervised.

OTOH, my experience involved bringing a cat into someone
else's territory. Perhaps by making the introduction in a neutral
territory
would eliminate Rita's feeling of needing to protect her home and give
a truer picture of how they would get along. Especially since you say
she's not bothered by traveling.

Anyway, purrs coming that the trip and intro go well, and that Rita
welcomes a new furry sibling and you soonhave a new master/mistress

Steve Touchstone
supervised by LB, Sam and Spot
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2007 19:49 GMT
> Well, good news.  I talked with the Community Relations person, and
> she said that I was
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> when the cats
> changed. I guess I'll take care of them all at the same time.

> Now to call the shelter at 10am and let them know.

> Rita's getting a kitten!   I hope, anyway.  (Depends a lot on how she
> reacts when
> she sees him at the shelter.)

Hooray! That's wonderful. Good luck with the introduction - I hope it works
out!

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 07 May 2007 18:46 GMT
>  > I don't know what your landlord is like, but can you ask him about
>  > adding another cat?  Some landlords will make exceptions, in spite of
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I hate to be paranoid like this, but renting is business, and you have
> to protect yourself (and your kitties!).

As I'm learning to my dismay (although it doesn't involve
pets - I have a nice official sticker in my front window
confirming that I'm paying rent for them).  I rented an
Arizona apartment which provided concierge service (for
accepting parcels, referring new tenants to area stores,
recommending people who perform maid service, etc.).  They
had a nice (clearly identified) "Recreation Building" for
tenant use, with billiard tables, card tables, kitchen and
meeting areas, and the complex (of 1220 units) sponsored
semi-monthly dinners for residents to socialize.  There were
nine heated swimming pools, a well-equipped fitness room and
a small movie theater which showed weekly matinee's for the
kids and at least one screening a month for grown-ups.  (An
ideal situation for an able-bodied retiree who knows no one
in the area.)  A month after I moved in, the complex changed
hands.

The concierge service was promptly discontinued. Now if you
get a parcel by mail, it goes back to the post-office (about
ten miles away) unless it will fit in the standard
mail-boxes in your area of the complex. (Because the complex
provides central mail-boxes, the postman is not allowed to
bring the parcel to your door - understandable, since the
entire complex must occupy at least a square mile, probably
more.) The December dinner was cancelled with no advance
notice to those who'd made reservations.  (We arrived in our
holiday finery to find the building locked, unlit, and a
hand-written note on the door announcing the cancellation -
no reason given.)  The recreation building was promptly
turned over to the maintenance department for storage.
(Although the "Recreation Building" sign is still
prominently visible to prospective tenants being shown
around the property.)  Because they are visible to
prospective tenants, the swimming pools exist and appear
well-maintained, but the "heating" is purely theoretical.
The fitness room is still there, but most of the equipment
is not functional (and they're "not sure" when it will be
replaced).  The movie theater is still scheduling movies,
but they can't show them until they replace the burned out
bulb in the projector.  (Apparently a major project, since
it's been "burned out" for three months, now!)Unfortunately,
none of these amenities were written into our leases, so we
have no recourse.  (Of course, there was no reduction in
rent when the amenities disappeared, even though they were
the reason many of us chose to pay a much higher rent than
the apartments themselves warranted.)

What has me most concerned, though, was that they sent
around a notice that they would be inspecting our smoke
alarms, checking for leaks, and replacing air-conditioning
filters.  The notice plainly stated that this was a REQUIRED
semi-annual inspection, and that we could not refuse to
allow the inspectors access.  (Actually, I think the
smoke-alarm inspection is required by law for all rental
property - it certainly was in California.)  I'm retired, so
I was present for the alleged inspection (which of course
took place during the normal business day, when most
residents were at work).  They went directly to the
air-conditioning unit, changed the filter, and left - must
have been here all of five minutes!  When I called the
office of the building to ask when the smoke alarm
inspection would be performed, I was told they showed the
inspection was complete!  (Why believe ME, when I told them
no-one went anywhere NEAR the smoke alarm?)  I was upset
enough to write a letter to the management company's main
office (with a copy and covering note to the Phoenix Fire
Department) but so far no one has bothered to reply to that,
either!

I've begun looking into "senior housing" (where I can rent
an apartment plus maid-service, all utilities paid, three
meals a day, a full schedule of recreational activities, an
emergency call system and a twenty-four hour staff trained
to respond to emergencies).  It costs a lot more than I'm
paying here - but not really, after figuring in the cost of
utilities, groceries, etc. (Oh yes, if I decide I no longer
want to drive, they provide transportation for medical
appointments, shopping, etc. - all part of the basic
package.)  When my lease expires, hopefully I'm outa here!
Matthew - 07 May 2007 18:56 GMT
>>  > I don't know what your landlord is like, but can you ask him about >
>> adding another cat?  Some landlords will make exceptions, in spite of >
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> provide transportation for medical appointments, shopping, etc. - all part
> of the basic package.)  When my lease expires, hopefully I'm outa here!

Good luck Evelyn.  If you were in Florida I could give you about 2 to 3
dozen recommendations since Florida is the retiree state. Services like that
are a dime a dozen here
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2007 19:40 GMT
> I rented an
> Arizona apartment which provided concierge service (for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> in the area.)  A month after I moved in, the complex changed
> hands.

[snipped rest of story for brevity]

Wow, that is really terrible, Evelyn! You're right that since entitlement
to those amenities wasn't written into your leases, you can't do anything
about it. These creeps are raking it in at your expense. I wonder why
the original management decided to sell?

Sheesh, first it was the cockroaches, now this. How long is it until you
can move out of there?

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 May 2007 00:56 GMT
> Wow, that is really terrible, Evelyn! You're right that since entitlement
> to those amenities wasn't written into your leases, you can't do anything
> about it. These creeps are raking it in at your expense. I wonder why
> the original management decided to sell?

Apparently they are the THIRD owners in the course of a year
- the company that owned it when I moved in were already the
second in 2006, and this one took over in December, 2006.
(And since, if I didn't move in here as planned, I would
have had to pay to board the cats for however much longer it
took to find another place, I really didn't have many
options, even if I'd known.)

> Sheesh, first it was the cockroaches, now this. How long is it until you
> can move out of there?

My lease isn't up until November 9th, but the gal at the
senior facility I'm looking into says sometimes a letter
from them  thirty days in advance of departure can get new
residents out of their existing leases - although I'd be in
their "Independent Living" area, they also offer "Assisted
Living", so a request on their letterhead often carries a
little weight.  However, my brother will be going back to
Wisconsin the end of this month, and will not return until
September, and I'd like them to be here when I move, so I'd
probably wait until then, anyway. (I have a lot of
"consolidating" to do, too - when I moved from California, I
knew I was moving into a larger place, so didn't get rid of
nearly as much stuff as I should have, and now it's come
back to haunt me!)
jmcquown - 08 May 2007 20:08 GMT
>  > I rented an
>  > Arizona apartment which provided concierge service (for
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Joyce

I happen to be very happy with my apartment in the mid-South.  Not only do
they send around a maintenance man to replace the smoke alarm batteries and
check on the kitchen fire extinguisher, they send a chimney sweep around
once a year.  She (Evelyn) really did have a bad time what with the roaches
and now this?  Not exactly a good rental experience.

My landlord Sherrie has been most gracious given my monetary situation.  She
removed the "pet fee" from my rent.  And yes, they host a BBQ thing up by
the pool.  Doesn't sound like where I live, though.  Hers sounds like Little
Shop of Horrors.

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 May 2007 17:49 GMT
> I happen to be very happy with my apartment in the mid-South.  Not only do
> they send around a maintenance man to replace the smoke alarm batteries and
> check on the kitchen fire extinguisher, they send a chimney sweep around
> once a year.  She (Evelyn) really did have a bad time what with the roaches
> and now this?  Not exactly a good rental experience.

Especially when I have lived happily in rental property for
most of my adult life, and never before had problems with
landlords (or caused them any).  In fact, I became fairly
good friends with most of them.

Did I mention that, if you are late with your rent by more
than two days, they not only tack on a large "late fee"
here, but will then only accept "late" payments by cashier's
check or credit card?  (Even though the late payer has
never, ever bounced a personal check?)  The new owners live
somewhere else, and have hired a very large area management
company (whose previous experience must have been mostly in
slum areas) to manage the complex of 1220 units.

When I was telling my problems to the liason person at the
senior facility I'm considering, she asked the name of the
management company.  She'd heard of them, okay - apparently
they have a very bad reputation in the industry!
Annie Wxill - 10 May 2007 00:30 GMT
...> ... She'd heard of them, okay - apparently
> they have a very bad reputation in the industry!

Evelyn,
It's too bad you are having such problems.  I hope you can find a place that
will feel like home to you and that it has stable management.

Annie
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 10 May 2007 19:35 GMT
> ...> ... She'd heard of them, okay - apparently
>
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> It's too bad you are having such problems.  I hope you can find a place that
> will feel like home to you and that it has stable management.

I think the senior facility I've found should be fine - they
are a non-profit organization (once affiliated with the
Lutheran Church, now non-denominational).  They offer
several levels of care - as a tenant of their "Independent
Living" facility, I'll have my own one-bedroom apartment
(complete with small kitchen), but my rent will include
three meals a day, utilities (except telephone), bi-weekly
maid service and laundry service for my flatwork (there are
coin-operated machines for my personal laundry).  I will
have covered parking (for as long as I continue to keep my
own car and drive), but they provide transportation for
shopping and medical appointments if I choose to use it.
There are emergency call buttons in all the apartments, and
a 24-hour staff to respond to them.  (And of course, they
are "pet friendly" - although there's a one-time,
non-refundable deposit of $500 - so long as the resident is
able to care for any pets.)

In addition to the "Independent Living" apartments, they
offer "Assisted Living" (meaning personal care if the
resident can no longer manage for him/herself), "Alzheimer's
Care", and a "Care Center" for residents requiring temporary
or permanent nursing care.  (Of course, cost for the various
levels of care varies, but that's to be expected, so you
don't pay for much you don't need to use.)

We had lunch with the residents, the day we visited - the
food was good, and they provide a varied menu (with several
choices).  The building and grounds are lovely, with
elevators and ramps wherever they might be needed.  There is
a small circulating library, a fitness room, a swimming
pool, common areas for "socializing", recreational
facilities and planned activities - including arts and
crafts workshops and other classes - and regular concerts,
etc. in a nice auditorium.  The residents and staff seem
friendly (and the staff-members don't talk to old people as
though they were feeble minded - something I encountered in
the place I investigated in California).  One determining
factor was that several of the staff have some of their own
relatives living there - you can assume, if they approve of
the place for their family, non-relatives will find it
acceptable, too.

I'll be getting another look at it Saturday - my brother and
his wife are inveterate "yard-salers", and the facility is
having its annual yard sale.  (I might even be able to find
a couple of pieces of furniture to replace some of the
bulkier bits I need to get rid of, and store them in my
brother's garage until I'm ready to move.)
polonca12000 - 10 May 2007 22:16 GMT
> I think the senior facility I've found should be fine - they are a
> non-profit organization (once affiliated with the Lutheran Church, now
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> replace some of the bulkier bits I need to get rid of, and store them in
> my brother's garage until I'm ready to move.)

That sounds great!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Annie Wxill - 11 May 2007 22:15 GMT
> I think the senior facility I've found should be fine ...
...
Evelyn,
That sounds like an excellent place. With concerts in an auditorium, even.
And pet friendly, too.  Covered parking, maid service, good food, nice
people, exercise room and library.  I'm happy for you. I may want to move
there too, someday.

Annie
Lesley - 12 May 2007 15:00 GMT
.  I'm happy for you. I may want to move
> there too, someday.

Someday? I wouldn't mind moving in there right now!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Jack Campin - bogus address - 07 May 2007 23:35 GMT
> I rented an Arizona apartment which provided concierge service
> [...]  A month after I moved in, the complex changed hands.
>
> The concierge service was promptly discontinued. [hooror story]

You would *really* like some of the novels of J.G. Ballard.  Try
"High-Rise" and "Cocaine Nights".

> What has me most concerned, though, was that they sent
> around a notice that they would be inspecting our smoke
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Department) but so far no one has bothered to reply to that,
> either!

In the UK, the fire brigade would take that very damn seriously.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 May 2007 01:00 GMT
>>have been here all of five minutes!  When I called the
>>office of the building to ask when the smoke alarm
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> In the UK, the fire brigade would take that very damn seriously.

They would in Los Angeles, too!  (And I should think,
considering the brush fire danger in desert country, they
would here in Arizona, also - once someone gets around to
reading my note.)
Chakolate - 10 May 2007 02:23 GMT
Jane <ladyjane@smart.net> wrote in news:1178453252.318925.315290
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> "Only one pet per household"   The kiss of death.

Not at all.  When I went apartment-hunting, I answered ads that said 'no
pets', and asked how strict the rule was.  Most of the time the people
said they'd bend the rule for a responsible owner.  It's just easier to
make exception to a 'no pets' rule than it is to tell someone that pets
are allowed but not *their* pets.  

Chak

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Lesley - 10 May 2007 10:39 GMT
>Not at all.  When I went apartment-hunting, I answered ads that said 'no
>pets', and asked how strict the rule was.  Most of the time the people
>said they'd bend the rule for a responsible owner.  It's just easier to
>make exception to a 'no pets' rule than it is to tell someone that pets
>are allowed but not *their* pets.  

When my mum was buying her flat, it had a "no pets" clause and she mentioned
that she was looking after my brothers cat and they explained that a "no
pets" clause is so if people get big dogs and leave them locked up all day or
running wild, they can do something about it. They had no problem with a
small indoor only cat

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Cheryl Perkins - 10 May 2007 11:52 GMT
>>Not at all.  When I went apartment-hunting, I answered ads that said 'no
>>pets', and asked how strict the rule was.  Most of the time the people
>>said they'd bend the rule for a responsible owner.  It's just easier to
>>make exception to a 'no pets' rule than it is to tell someone that pets
>>are allowed but not *their* pets.  

> When my mum was buying her flat, it had a "no pets" clause and she mentioned
> that she was looking after my brothers cat and they explained that a "no
> pets" clause is so if people get big dogs and leave them locked up all day or
> running wild, they can do something about it. They had no problem with a
> small indoor only cat

I was eager to rent a house from a woman I'd rented from before, but I
knew from my previous experience that, although an excellent landlady, she
believed animals belonged in barns, not in houses, and had in her leases a
'no pets' clause. So whe I was enquiring about the new place, I said up
front 'Since I lived in your apartment on X street, I've gotten two cats.
Is that going to be a problem?' She wanted a tenant who paid regularly and
was unlikely to have the kind of parties the previous tenants had had, and
said 'not at all'. When I got my copy of the lease to review, she had put
in 'Tenant may have two (2) cats' in place of the 'no pets' clause.

I think that it's probably easier to negotiate this sort of thing when the
landlord is an individual or at a small business. The employees of the big
management companies who run a lot of the bigger apartment complexes don't
seem to have as much leeway in such matters.

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