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Couple hires taxi for 2,400 mile trip so their cats won't have to travel in airline cargo hold
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MaryL - 08 Apr 2007 21:40 GMT CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to travel in the cargo hold of an airliner. So, they hired a taxi for $3,000 plus gas, meals, and lodging. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/08/taxi.move.ap/index.html
Clever idea since they can afford it, and they can relax and enjoy the scenery on the way.
MaryL
Joy - 08 Apr 2007 22:23 GMT > CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are > moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > MaryL Yes, it sounds like a good deal for all involved.
Joy
jmcquown - 09 Apr 2007 00:29 GMT >> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >> moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Joy Unless the cats cried the entire time in their carriers; then the taxi driver deserves an extra large tip! :D
Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 17:10 GMT >>>CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >>>moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Unless the cats cried the entire time in their carriers; then the taxi > driver deserves an extra large tip! :D I've driven cross-country twice (with two different sets of cats). In my experience, once they realized they were stuck with the situation, they settled down and accepted it philosophically (and mostly in silence). However, I once had a vet who claimed to have shared a Maine to California trip with a Siamese who never shut up during the entire journey! (It's nearly impossible to make ANY statement about cats-in-general that applies to ALL cats!)
jmcquown - 09 Apr 2007 18:17 GMT >>>> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and >>>> are moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > journey! (It's nearly impossible to make ANY statement > about cats-in-general that applies to ALL cats!) Siamese are particularly vocal. Persia is (the vet guesses) half Siamese half Russian Blue although the blue grey fur and striped tail markings are dominant. She's *very* vocal. Just walks around talking to me. <G>
Immediately in the carrier, she starts whining and crying. I drove her 100 miles round trip once once and she didn't shut up once. She got hoarse from meowing so much. I cannot imagine her on a 2400 mile trip. However, I would never put her in the cargo hold of a plane, either. I'd figure something out. Maybe a taxi (heheh)
Jill
jofirey - 09 Apr 2007 18:49 GMT >>>>CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >>>>moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > nearly impossible to make ANY statement about cats-in-general that applies > to ALL cats!) A very vocal Siamese might have just been taking advantage of a captive audience.
But Maine to California I'd have to admire. Sam always came home with laryngitis after anything more than three days at the vet. Didn't help that he usually ended up in the room with the small dog cages because he upset the other cats. No he won't all that unhappy. He just really liked to run his mouth.
Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 00:52 GMT >>CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >>moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yes, it sounds like a good deal for all involved. Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? (Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted to move, travel with him/her and the cats, and probably get by a bit cheaper than a New York taxicab (even including car-rental, if the student did not have one.)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Apr 2007 01:49 GMT > Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? > (Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted > to move, travel with him/her and the cats, and probably get > by a bit cheaper than a New York taxicab (even including > car-rental, if the student did not have one.) I agree, it seems a bit extreme. Then again, perhaps the couple weren't up to driving cross-country themselves, and wanted someone else to do all the driving. With a ride-share situation, usually you're expected to share driving, although I suppose they could've made special arrangments, like they'd pay for all the gas if the student (or whoever) was willing to do all the driving. But maybe they didn't want to worry about dealing with strangers. Some of us are more adventurous than others. I'm not the most adventurous person in the world, but I'd definitely look for a ride share myself. Still, I can understand why some people might not be comfortable with that.
Joyce
Kathy - 09 Apr 2007 01:55 GMT > > Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? > > (Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joyce I wonder why they didn't just buy seats for the cats and fly? Or take a train part of the way there? These people sound like they have more money than brains. Lucky kitties... Kathy
MaryL - 09 Apr 2007 03:01 GMT >> > Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? > (Although >> I think I'd look for a college student who wanted > to move, travel with [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > than brains. Lucky kitties... > Kathy You *cannot* "buy seats" for the cats. Some airlines permit a cat to travel under the seat, but those airlines are limited in number. Some of them will only permit one pet per cabin. I used to travel with my cat, and I had to make advance reservations. On one occasion, I was bumped because the airline had overbooked. I refused to let my cat fly in cargo, so I had to wait a considerable period of time to be put on another flight. Most trains will not permit pets on the train. They did years ago. In fact, I traveled by train when I was a student, and I could rent a little roomette for very little money. That was great because I could let my cat out of the carrier for part of the ride. But trains simply won't permit that any more. (At least, they didn't the last time I checked.)
MaryL
Ketzl's Dad - 09 Apr 2007 03:25 GMT >>>> Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? > (Although >>> I think I'd look for a college student who wanted > to move, travel with [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > MaryL You are correct, at least as far as Amtrak is concerned.
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Marina - 09 Apr 2007 05:35 GMT > You *cannot* "buy seats" for the cats. Some airlines permit a cat to travel > under the seat, but those airlines are limited in number. Some of them will [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > for part of the ride. But trains simply won't permit that any more. (At > least, they didn't the last time I checked.) AIUI, there are pet cars in all the long-distance trains here in Finland. I've never taken my cats on a train, so I don't know how good the pet departments are, but at least they are there. On the local trains (inside the greater Helsinki area), pets are allowed in some carriages. I guess allergic people avoid those. Even though I don't take my cats on the trains, I always choose a pet carriage in case someone has a cute pet with them. :)
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Apr 2007 06:51 GMT > AIUI, there are pet cars in all the long-distance trains here in > Finland. What does "AIUI" stand for?
> Even though I don't take my cats on the trains, I always choose a > pet carriage in case someone has a cute pet with them. :) That's so cute. Great way to travel!
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Marina - 09 Apr 2007 08:11 GMT > > AIUI, there are pet cars in all the long-distance trains here in > > Finland. > > What does "AIUI" stand for? 'As I understand it.' I put that in because I don't have personal experience with the long-distance trains, but the national railway company claims to have 'pet compartments' on all their trains. I use a local train to go to my Mum's, so I know they all have pet compartments.
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Adrian A - 09 Apr 2007 10:31 GMT >> You *cannot* "buy seats" for the cats. Some airlines permit a cat >> to travel under the seat, but those airlines are limited in number. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > my cats on the trains, I always choose a pet carriage in case someone > has a cute pet with them. :) There doesn't seem to be any restriction on pets travelling on trains in Britain, though I've never seen a cat I've met a few nice d*gs.
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MaryL - 09 Apr 2007 02:57 GMT > > Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? > > (Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Joyce The article referred to a retired couple who do not drive. They were traveling from New York to their retirement home in Arizona with their two cats. Someone in that position might not feel like taking a chance on finding a student who wanted to go to the same location (and perhaps take chances with risks associated with that type of arrangement).
MaryL
jmcquown - 09 Apr 2007 04:51 GMT >>> Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? >>> (Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > MaryL This reminds me (OFF TOPIC) of the time when I was about 14 my brothers decided to hitchhike with a friend, Dave, back to South Carolina from Memphis. They caught a ride with these two guys and were having a high (literally) old time. They didn't tell my parents or Dave's parents they were going anywhere so everyone was in a panic. Then Dave's wallet fell out in the back seat of the car and he didn't know it. Long story short: brothers and Dave were fine but for a while they were thought to be dead. The car was stolen by a couple of guys who had murdered some people and also killed the owner of the car. It's never a good idea to catch a ride with someone you don't know.
Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 17:21 GMT >>>>Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? >>>>(Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > killed the owner of the car. It's never a good idea to catch a ride with > someone you don't know. Well, we were talking about a retired couple (presumably astute enough to have amassed a fairly large "retirement" income, if they can afford to travel cross-country by taxi). One assumes there would be references exchanged, etc. before departure. (For that matter, what guarantee is there that the taxi-driver might not get ideas about hi-jacking, too?)
jmcquown - 09 Apr 2007 18:22 GMT >> This reminds me (OFF TOPIC) of the time when I was about 14 my >> brothers decided to hitchhike with a friend, Dave, back to South [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > departure. (For that matter, what guarantee is there that > the taxi-driver might not get ideas about hi-jacking, too?) You mean like when we went to Laos and hired a taxi driver to take us to Malaysia? I was 10 years old and quietly pointed out to my parents hmmm, there's no key in the ignition of this taxi. LOL Presumeably Dad was adult enough at that time (age 45 or 46) to have noticed it but he either didn't or chose to ignore it because it was a cheap fare. The guy could have killed us and robbed us blind and no one would have been the wiser.
Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Apr 2007 06:38 GMT > <jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> maybe they didn't want to worry about dealing >> with strangers. Some of us are more adventurous than others. I'm not the >> most adventurous person in the world, but I'd definitely look for a ride >> share myself. Still, I can understand why some people might not be >> comfortable with that.
> The article referred to a retired couple who do not drive. They were > traveling from New York to their retirement home in Arizona with their two > cats. Someone in that position might not feel like taking a chance on > finding a student who wanted to go to the same location (and perhaps take > chances with risks associated with that type of arrangement). Didn't I just say that?
Joyce
MaryL - 09 Apr 2007 12:15 GMT > > <jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Joyce Partly...I was really using one message to pick up on a couple of points that people on this group have been making (not a good idea, I admit). My apologies.
MaryL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 10 Apr 2007 09:00 GMT > <jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net> wrote in message
> > > The article referred to a retired couple who do not drive. They were > > > traveling from New York to their retirement home in Arizona with their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Didn't I just say that?
> Partly...I was really using one message to pick up on a couple of points > that people on this group have been making (not a good idea, I admit). My > apologies. It's OK - my apologies, too. I've been feeling just a bit <<<TOUCHY>>> lately, and sometimes feel slighted over the most trivial things!
Joyce
Tanada - 10 Apr 2007 13:11 GMT > It's OK - my apologies, too. I've been feeling just a bit <<<TOUCHY>>> > lately, and sometimes feel slighted over the most trivial things! > > Joyce OK, Joyce, is it your time of the month? Do you need something to help you feel more normal? Need I say it? CHOCOLATE THERAPY TIME! I'd join you, but Mandy and Jim stole my M & Ms that I had stashed away, and I haven't got around to buying a 3 Musketeers or Snickers bar lately. Maybe I'll go with a Dove Bar, or a Baby Ruth or.....
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kraut - 09 Apr 2007 14:18 GMT > > Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? > > (Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >share myself. Still, I can understand why some people might not be >comfortable with that. If you go back and read the article it said neither one drove. If they lived in the city all their lves maybe they never learned to drive and did not have a drivers license.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 17:27 GMT >>>Isn't it nice what lots and lots of money can accomplish? >>>(Although I think I'd look for a college student who wanted [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > they lived in the city all their lves maybe they never learned to > drive and did not have a drivers license. Where did I suggest that anyone but the designated college student would be driving? Obviously they could make whatever arrangements they wanted to, if they were hiring him/her. Depending upon where they had lived previously, it's quite possible that New Yorkers of retirment age never learned to drive. (Or at any rate, learned so long ago they would need a refresher course to get a license.)
jofirey - 09 Apr 2007 03:36 GMT >>>CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >>>moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > him/her and the cats, and probably get by a bit cheaper than a New York > taxicab (even including car-rental, if the student did not have one.) Given what it costs to fly from New York to Arizona, and they would have to have a way to get to and from the airports, and they can take other personal items along in the taxi, not such an awful deal. Meals and lodging would be the same if they had a chauffer or a student driving them.
I hope they have a great trip.
Jo
jofirey - 09 Apr 2007 03:28 GMT > CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are > moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Clever idea since they can afford it, and they can relax and enjoy the > scenery on the way. It does sound so very New Yorker to me though. I do worry about them when they start living in Arizona. (They don't drive?)
Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 17:16 GMT >>CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >>moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It does sound so very New Yorker to me though. I do worry about them when > they start living in Arizona. (They don't drive?) Yeah, I was a bit surprised when I got here. I thought a car was a "must" in Southern California, but here in Phoenix, even the "corner grocery" is likely to be a mile or so away!
> Jo MaryL - 09 Apr 2007 12:33 GMT > CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are > moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to > travel in the cargo hold of an airliner. So, they hired a taxi for $3,000 > plus gas, meals, and lodging. > http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/08/taxi.move.ap/index.html I find it ironic that some on this group have criticized people in the past who did not find the resources to send their cats in a safer manner than using airplane cargo. I agreed with that assessment, BTW. There were some recommendations that people consider using an airline (I've forgotten the name) that specializes in *only* transporting animals. That would be much more costly than this method, especially considering the fact that a large percentage of the cost described in this article would otherwise have had to be paid to obtain airplane tickets for two people, transportation to and from the airport (possibly both in New York and Arizona), *and* they would have had to pay extra to transport their two cats, regardless of whether they were taken in the cabin or shipped in the cargo hold (horrors!). On other occasions, some in this group have gone to a great deal of effort -- and some expense -- to locate alternate transportation for cats. I definitely agreed with that, too, and even contributed a small amount of money on one occasion. But here is an elderly couple who do not drive, and they found an alternate way to travel a long distance that would enable them to keep their cats with them -- and now some of you criticize that, too, someone even saying they had "more money than brains." I must admit that I, for one, would never want to undertake that trip by using still another method that a couple of you mentioned -- that is, start off cross-country with a stranger I had never met before and with driving skills I knew nothing about but who would be willing to drive me for less money.
Since they can afford it, I think this was an intelligent solution to the problem -- and far less exorbitant than some of you imply. For example, how many of you who have been criticizing this expenditure of $3,000 plus gas, etc. (for two people and two cats) have spent more than that on a vacation??
MaryL
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kraut - 09 Apr 2007 14:24 GMT >Since they can afford it, I think this was an intelligent solution to the >problem -- and far less exorbitant than some of you imply. For example, how >many of you who have been criticizing this expenditure of $3,000 plus gas, >etc. (for two people and two cats) have spent more than that on a vacation?? > >MaryL Actually 3 people since they are paying all the cab drivers expenses.
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MaryL - 09 Apr 2007 14:37 GMT >>Since they can afford it, I think this was an intelligent solution to the >>problem -- and far less exorbitant than some of you imply. For example, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Actually 3 people since they are paying all the cab drivers expenses. True, but I wasn't including the cab driver for the transportation part of the expenses since he would be going only to drive them to their location.
MaryL
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 17:30 GMT >>>Since they can afford it, I think this was an intelligent solution to the >>>problem -- and far less exorbitant than some of you imply. For example, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > True, but I wasn't including the cab driver for the transportation part of > the expenses since he would be going only to drive them to their location. But they'd have to pay his return expenses, as well! (If they found a student who wanted to MOVE to Arizona, or was going to college here, the expenses would only be one-way.)
NeeCee - 09 Apr 2007 16:14 GMT yikes
> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are > moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > MaryL EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Apr 2007 17:33 GMT > CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are moving > to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to travel in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Clever idea since they can afford it, and they can relax and enjoy the > scenery on the way. Plain to see you've never ridden with a New York taxi-driver!
jmcquown - 09 Apr 2007 18:27 GMT >> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and >> are moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Plain to see you've never ridden with a New York taxi-driver! LOL I was with a Chicago taxi driver once, he practically ran down a bike messenger. He said casually over his shoulder, "Oh, don't worry, they usually get out of the way." Uh, okay.
And my last trip back from the airport to my house, this guy was driving on the shoulder at 50 MPH on the Interstate because there was a lot of traffic and he wanted to get past it to an exit. (Note to self: don't book a flight back that will arrive during rush hour.) His driving was scary by anyone's standards! I should have called Jamal's company rather than rely on the cab service from the airport. I will, in the future.
Jill
jofirey - 09 Apr 2007 18:56 GMT >> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >> moving [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Plain to see you've never ridden with a New York taxi-driver! I strongly suspect the taxi driver in question is someone they are familiar with and probably works for a company they have used for years.
And besides, I thought a lot of taxi drivers were very good at finding the "scenic route"
(I get a kick out of the whole idea. My dad drove a taxi in DO.CO. after WWII. And my mother was ill for quite a while after I was born. If he couldn't find a baby sitter, he just took me with him. I like taxi's)
Jo
jofirey - 09 Apr 2007 19:24 GMT >>> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >>> moving [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jo Stupid spell check. D.C. as in District of Columbia
MaryL - 09 Apr 2007 18:57 GMT >> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >> moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Plain to see you've never ridden with a New York taxi-driver! That's true, but the article says this couple has known the taxi driver for several weeks. (I have ridden in taxis in Washington, D.C., but that may not be the same....)
MaryL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 10 Apr 2007 09:05 GMT > > CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are moving > > to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats to travel in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Clever idea since they can afford it, and they can relax and enjoy the > > scenery on the way.
> Plain to see you've never ridden with a New York taxi-driver! LOL!! Good one. Reminds me of one terrifying drive up Amsterdam Ave at about 70 mph. (Probably not, literally, but it sure felt like it!)
Joyce (apologies, too tired to convert units... I should go to bed!)
badwilson - 10 Apr 2007 16:26 GMT > CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are > moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > MaryL I have read this whole thread and I honestly think it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If we had refused to let Vino fly cargo, we would still be living in Thailand as cats are not allowed to enter Australia in any other way. Is spending 6 hours in cargo really all that bad??? Is 6 hours in cargo so much worse than 4 or 5 *days* in a car? What are the chances of a cat dying in cargo compared to the car they are in being involved in a terrible traffic accident? Let's get some perspective here, people. There are a lot worse things people could do to their cats than fly them across the US in cargo. And imagine how much more good $3000 would have done in some shelter.
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MaryL - 11 Apr 2007 01:23 GMT >> CNN.com has a report about a New York couple who have retired and are >> moving to Arizona. They don't drive, and they don't want their cats [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > people could do to their cats than fly them across the US in cargo. And > imagine how much more good $3000 would have done in some shelter. You were fortunate, but it *can* be pretty bad. There have been a number of cases where pets have died in cargo. In addition, I first started to travel with my cats many years ago when I was in graduate school. The first couple of years, I used cargo because airliners at that time didn't permit pets in the cabin (or, at least, I didn't know about it). My cat emerged sick and terrorized each time. Then I learned that there were a couple of airlines that would permit cats in the cabin. From that time on, my cats were calm and showed no ill effects at all. Following that, I began to read about some cats that had died -- some even "misplaced" when the trip requird a change of planes. My favorite way was when I could travel by train and use a little roomette. I also had no problems when I traveled by car. Of course, I took lots of precautions and would never leave my cats alone in the car except for a hurried visit to the restoom. I used drive-through for meals until I got to the motel at night.
MaryL
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