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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2007Spaying
How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep insisting on Catch 22 situations? Basically, I can't do anything until I find the paperwork, and I don't have the paperwork and I can't get more papers because I don't have the paperwork for previous visits. >How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep >insisting on Catch 22 situations? > >Basically, I can't do anything until I find the paperwork, and I don't >have the paperwork and I can't get more papers because I don't have >the paperwork for previous visits. I'm puzzled - what kind of paperwork do you need to keep from previous visits in order to do a spay? Pre-op bloodwork? > >How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep > >insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm puzzled - what kind of paperwork do you need to keep from previous > visits in order to do a spay? Pre-op bloodwork? I dunno. I have nothing. This makes the vet employees so very, very confused. > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep > insisting on Catch 22 situations? > > Basically, I can't do anything until I find the paperwork, and I don't > have the paperwork and I can't get more papers because I don't have > the paperwork for previous visits. I have NO idea what you're talking about. What paperwork?! > > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep > > insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have NO idea what you're talking about. What paperwork?! The vets want shot records and other stuff to prove the animal was treated within the last x-years. Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. >>>How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep >>>insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. new vet. > > > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep > > > insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. That's just ridiculous. Treated for what? The only vaccination I've ever heard of a for a vet to *require* pre-op is a rabies. The rest of the vaccinations should be up to the discretion of the owner. And vets are required by law to keep records re: rabies vax and it's a simple matter to look it up and issue you a new certificate and tag. Just go to a different vet. Call your local shelter if you don't know of one, and get a recommendation from them. Good luck with that. Does this have anything to do with a shelter, did you adopt the kitty from one? Are you referring to the paperwork that's necessary to give the vet for pre-paid or lowcost surgery? Sherry Sherry Where are you located It might be depending on your area some vets require that you have up to date immunization records. If not they are required to administer them such as the rabies shot >> > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep >> > insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. > Where are you located > > It might be depending on your area some vets require that you have > up to date immunization records. If not they are required to > administer them such as the rabies shot My vet knew Persia was a foundling/stray. I had no immunization records. She was already spayed but I doubt he would have turned her away for lack of a shot record, like a kid going to a new elementary school. He would have given her whatever was needed, maybe waited, then done the spay. This sounds rather weird to me. Jill >>>> How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations >>>> keep insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. > > Where are you located > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jill As I can recall it goes like this. Me: "Hi, I would like to get the appropiate shots for my animals." Them: "Okay, when were they last treated by a vet?" Me: "I do not know, I have lost all the paperwork." Them: (paraphrased) "We need the paperwork in order to see your animal, we can't give him/her 'too many' shots, it'd be bad, blah, blah, blah, blah biddy blah." My brain: "AAAIIEEE!" ::explodes:: >As I can recall it goes like this. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >blah, blah, blah biddy blah." >My brain: "AAAIIEEE!" ::explodes:: If it was long enough ago that you're concerned that they need their shots, and you don't remember very well when it was, I would just give them an approximation. Maybe you figure that it was more than four months ago, but but less than four years ago. Just tell them that's the best you can do, and they'll probably figure, "Well, better give them their annual shots then, and keep this person's pet records on file for future reference." My local vet would mail out vaccination reminders to their customers, and they would also give you a new rabies tag if that was one of the vaccinations. >>>Where are you located >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > blah, blah, blah biddy blah." > My brain: "AAAIIEEE!" ::explodes:: The suggestion several of us have made still holds - "change vets"! (It's probably the staff, not the vet him/herself, but they're the people you can look forward to dealing with on future visits, too.) > Where are you located > > It might be depending on your area some vets require that you have up to > date immunization records. If not they are required to administer them such > as the rabies shot Yes, THAT makes sense, and is probably true many places. However, I can't imagine a vet refusing to spay a cat without "records" of her previous treatment. I think most shelters vaccinate cats they put up for adoption - in which case the shelter should have the records. If you took in a stray, then the vet should vaccinate it "just in case". (If a previous immunity exists, I think all that happens is that you've spent money for an unnecessary shot - but better safe than sorry.) > The vets want shot records and other stuff to prove the animal was > treated within the last x-years. > > Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. Tell 'em the courthouse burnt down and destroyed all the records. Pam S. >> The vets want shot records and other stuff to prove the animal was >> treated within the last x-years. >> >> Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. > >Tell 'em the courthouse burnt down and destroyed all the records. That's an old joke, but it really happened to my father. When time to retire came, it was a nightmare proving his age since the birth certificate or whatever they used in the early 20th century in rural South Carolina, was lost. It turned out that they were able to determine from the 1910 census that he was a year older than he thought he was (his brothers and sisters were divided on whether he was born in 1905 or 1906).  SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead >>Tell 'em the courthouse burnt down and destroyed all the records. > That's an old joke, but it really happened to my father. When time to > retire came, it was a nightmare proving his age since the birth [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thought he was (his brothers and sisters were divided on whether he > was born in 1905 or 1906). Around here, the only records were kept in local churches until suprisingly recently, when people decided that what with the tendency of the wooden churches to burn down, they should have duplicate records kept with the local government, and start sending the primary birth registration there too. My grandfather, with no birth record since the only one burned down with the church, used at least two different birthdates. The authorities did finally catch up with him when he wanted to work past his employer's compulsory retirement age. They decided that on the balance of evidence he was 65 and had to retire. I think he may have mis-reported his age on one of the censuses, too. SignatureCheryl >>> Tell 'em the courthouse burnt down and destroyed all the records. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I think he may have mis-reported his age on one of the censuses, too. Took my great (great?) uncle 20 some years of researching church records, many of which were destroyed, to figure out our family history. And this was well before the age of computers. He ran into some roadblocks but found documents in historical societies and letters from a lot of people. Traced the McQuown's back to 1679 Scotland and the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. John and his son John (I'm guessing they were called Ian) were transported to the "new colonies" in 1680. Heh. Life for them took the upward turn; they were sent over as indentured servants (slaves) but the ship changed course. They made their way inland and wound up landed gentlemen in Pennsylvania. At least they weren't hung. Jill >That's an old joke, but it really happened to my father. When time to >retire came, it was a nightmare proving his age since the birth [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >thought he was (his brothers and sisters were divided on whether he >was born in 1905 or 1906). My mother, who was born before they were all that particular about recording births, needed a birth certificate about 40 years ago. The state would not accept the testimony of her own mother on date of birth, which I thought was funny because she presumably was there at the time. Bud SignatureThe night is just the shadow of the Earth. >>Tell 'em the courthouse burnt down and destroyed all the records. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thought he was (his brothers and sisters were divided on whether he > was born in 1905 or 1906). This has happened to a lot of US Vets too. The warehouse that was used to store Veteran records for the Army and some Air Force records burned down in 1973. My father's VA records were there and I was never able to get an accurate account of his WWII service. I do know he enlisted in 1940 and was honorably discharged in 1946, but not too much about where he went and what he did. An older cousin says that he was in the Solomon Islands and got the daylight shot out of his legs (think about the possibilities with this one) on Okinawa >>> Tell 'em the courthouse burnt down and destroyed all the records. >> That's an old joke, but it really happened to my father. When time to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > daylight shot out of his legs (think about the possibilities with this one) > on Okinawa The records for most WWI vets were the ones which went in the fire, I thought. I have gotten my father's WWII records, but my grandfathers' were not available. His grandfather's, from the Civil War were available, although they tend to be a bit more fragmentary than my dad's (which even includes the fact that he fell asleep on watch one morning at 2 am in the Pacific during WWII). Genealogy has brought out some things in the family that I had no idea about. My kitten's family has even more broken spots in the record, being an alley cat (she was literally born in an alley, according to my daughter , who got her from a friend, who saved her and the rest of the cat family from certain death at the hands of an old woman who couldn't stand to hear the cats' meowing at night...). I guess purebred cats have histories that are recorded and kept carefully. I wonder how far back they go.... Kathy and Woodgie > The records for most WWI vets were the ones which went in the fire, I > thought. I have gotten my father's WWII records, but my grandfathers' were [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > wonder how far back they go.... > Kathy and Woodgie Dad's records were there because the VA was paying survivor's benefits to my sisters and I while we were in school. We each got $26 each month for his service to the country. We each also got $125 from Social Security. I was able to get a statement of service with his entry and exit dates and his rank at discharge. I've had to go to relatives to find out more about his time in the army. Pam S. >>>The vets want shot records and other stuff to prove the animal was >>>treated within the last x-years. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > thought he was (his brothers and sisters were divided on whether he > was born in 1905 or 1906). My mom, who went to work for Federal Civil Service back around 1937, had a similar problem. Not because the courthouse burned down, but because when she was born (in 1894) children's births weren't always registered! Fortunately both of her parents were still living, and could sign affidavits that she was born to them on 11/29/1894, but she used to joke "I always suspected I might have been adopted, and now...." We did a genealogy of my family years ago. Some of the birth records were kept in the church bible as many country people did. There are many of the birth names and families names. Where mom and dad sign there is a x or the family marking with the reverend signature and date to mark it as official. Some of the birth records where on a piece of paper with the midwife's name on it and the date where it was recorded which was not the birth date just when they were able to get to town and record it with the church. I remember a few times where the Ohio river which flows thru parts of Kentucky flooded and took many of the buildings with it. I remember running out in to the floods to save boxes that were floating by that contained church records going back decades >>>>The vets want shot records and other stuff to prove the animal was >>>>treated within the last x-years. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > affidavits that she was born to them on 11/29/1894, but she used to joke > "I always suspected I might have been adopted, and now...." When my mother wanted to get a passport, she had a problem. Her mother had always told her that she was born at home, and there was no birth certificate. She managed to get affidavits and get the passport. Many years later, after my grandmother had died, my sister did some research and found a birth certificate for my mother, but not by the name she had always thought was hers. We knew her father had been a bigamist and had used a false name to marry her mother, but we didn't know that her mother had put the father's real name (or at least what she thought at the time was his real name) on the birth certificate. My grandmother would never talk about him. Joy >>>>>The vets want shot records and other stuff to prove the animal was >>>>>treated within the last x-years. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >name (or at least what she thought at the time was his real name) on the >birth certificate. My grandmother would never talk about him. One of my grandmothers had a problem getting a passport, but for a different reason. When she applied for one, shortly after World War II, so that she could accompany my grandfather to his new post as an Army chaplain on a US Army base in Germany, she discovered that she had lost her American citizenship decades earlier, when she had married my grandfather. He had immigrated to the USA from Canada as a child, but had never become a naturalized citizen. Under the US laws at the time of the marriage, an American woman who married a foreign man automatically lost her citizenship, under the assumption that she would then become a naturalized citizen of her husband's country. Instead, my grandmother had ended up stateless, with no citizenship anywhere in the world. By the way, a US man marrying a foreign woman was allowed to keep his US citizenship. She ended up having to get special paperwork to guarantee her right to return to the USA, and both grandparents ended up becoming naturalized citizens a few years later. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > One of my grandmothers had a problem getting a passport, but for a > different reason. When she applied for one, shortly after World War [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > both grandparents ended up becoming naturalized citizens a few years > later. Good grief! That's outrageous! I trust that totally unfair law has been changed! Joy >> One of my grandmothers had a problem getting a passport, but for a >> different reason. When she applied for one, shortly after World War [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Good grief! That's outrageous! I trust that totally unfair law has been >changed! I have been told that the law is no longer in effect, although I don't know when it was changed. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >> One of my grandmothers had a problem getting a passport, but for a >> different reason. When she applied for one, shortly after World War [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> both grandparents ended up becoming naturalized citizens a few years >> later. > Good grief! That's outrageous! I trust that totally unfair law has been > changed! > Joy Well, 'outrageous' now; not so much then. The past is another country, they say, and there are cultural differences over time as well as distance. Situations like the above resulted from the belief - and law - that a married couple were one person, and that person was the husband. Back when the laws were written, anything else would have been outrageous! The issue is hitting the news in Canada because a lot more people need passports than ever did before - due to US laws - and some of them are finding out just what Canadian citizenship law says for the first time at a most awkward moment in their lives, like when they need a passport, *now*. In fact, our law was modernized (I don't know about the US one), but there are always some people stuck when they don't understand their status under the law. I know a little about it because I found out that I was in the same type of situation before our law changed. I moaned a bit, but got a passport from a country that would give me one, made my longed-for trip, and after I came of age (21 back then, I was about 17 or 18 when I realized I didn't have the citizenship I thought I had a right to), I got my citizenship straightened out. No big deal, really, more of a minor nuisance, but some people get terribly upset about it, and some people are in much worse situations than discovering that they are citizens of a foreign country instead of the one they are living in. It is an *extremely* good idea to get a basic knowledge of citizenship law if you are married to someone of another nationality or living in a county you weren't born in on the assumption you have a claim to citizenship through a spouse or parent. It is entirely possible, although unusual, to end up with no citizenship, and more common to be without citizenship you think you have or subject to the laws of a country you don't live in (eg conscription) because they think you are a citizen, even if you don't agree. And it's best to find these things out and get them straightened out *before* you have an urgent need for a passport. SignatureCheryl > When my mother wanted to get a passport, she had a problem. Her > mother had always told her that she was born at home, and there was > no birth certificate. She managed to get affidavits and get the > passport. My aunt Jean was born at home. Mom remembers sitting on the stairs in the house in Ohio while her mother was in labor upstairs. > Many years later, after my grandmother had died, my sister did some > research and found a birth certificate for my mother, but not by the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > real name) on the birth certificate. My grandmother would never talk > about him. I guess not. Really, not something to be proud of. Gee, your fathre was married to two women. Here, let me tell you all about it. Jill >>We knew her father had been a bigamist and had used a false name to >>marry her mother, but we didn't know that her mother had put the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I guess not. Really, not something to be proud of. Gee, your fathre was > married to two women. Here, let me tell you all about it. How times change! Back then it would have been considered a stigma, even though it was hardly the daughter's fault. I think nowadays people would just consider it a good story! >>>How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep >>>insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. Nonsense! They prefer to give shots on a regular schedule, but I never heard of a cat getting ill because it received an extra shot. (Like I said, change vets - if yours has employees who are so clueless, you don't want him/her, anyway!) >> > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep >> > insisting on Catch 22 situations? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Apparently Fluffy will explode if they get 'extra' shots. The vet just wants a proof of rabies shot, or they have to give the cat a new shot before the operation. It should not be a problem to call the vet that gave the original shot to the cat and get a copy for your proof. If this is the same vet that gave the shot, they should already have a copy in their file and if they don't, find a vet that keeps proper records. If the cat hasn't ever gotten a rabies shot it needs one. Debra in VA See my quilts at http://community.webshots.com/user/debplayshere > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep > insisting on Catch 22 situations? > > Basically, I can't do anything until I find the paperwork, and I don't > have the paperwork and I can't get more papers because I don't have > the paperwork for previous visits. Change vets? I've brought in more than one cat whose medical history was a total unknown. What normally happened was that (not knowing whether she had been vaccinated in the past) they gave the cat her vaccinations on the first visit, scheduling the spay for a week or so later. (I am assuming you don't know where she was treated in the past - most vets nowadays keept their records on computer, just like doctors for humans, and can provide you with printouts of pertinent info on request.) > How do you get an animal spayed when the local vet orginizations keep > insisting on Catch 22 situations? > > Basically, I can't do anything until I find the paperwork, and I don't > have the paperwork and I can't get more papers because I don't have > the paperwork for previous visits. Coming late to this. What paperwork could possibly be required? Say you had a feral female that needed spaying, how could you provide any paperwork for that situation? Would your vet then refuse to do it? Boyfriend arrived with no paperwork whatsoever and a full set of manly organs, only a collar to prove he had been previously owned by someone. It was quite a posh collar too, so I often wonder.. Didn't stop my vet doing the dastardly deed. No previous paperwork necessary. Snip. Tweed |
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