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PETFOOD RECALL: !!!Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other store brands!!!
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Karen - 16 Mar 2007 22:52 GMT http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall
Pretty serious.
Joy - 16 Mar 2007 23:45 GMT > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall > > Pretty serious. Lovely! They'll post a list of brands and lot numbers on their website Saturday. In the meantime, we don't know whether what we're feeding our pets is safe or not. My cats eat prefer the kind they talk about - chunks of meat in gravy. :-(
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mlbriggs - 16 Mar 2007 23:57 GMT >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Joy I see it also covers Iams and Eukanuba brands.
mlbriggs - 17 Mar 2007 00:02 GMT >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I see it also covers Iams and Eukanuba brands. My disposer ate so much of FF wet food, I've quit giving any to TuTu. TuTu would previously touch nothing with gravy or chunks. She even started turning her little red nose up at Tuna & chicken which used to be a favorite.
Ted Davis - 17 Mar 2007 01:31 GMT >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >pets is safe or not. My cats eat prefer the kind they talk about - chunks >of meat in gravy. :-( That's the very stuff I *don't* buy because the only one of my cats that needs wet food (Spooky - very old and missing many teeth) won't eat it. He likes plain old gooshy style foods, most any flavor.
Just so it isn't a recall of Walmart's dry food: I have 80 pounds of that stuff on hand.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Mar 2007 02:30 GMT >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pets is safe or not. My cats eat prefer the kind they talk about - chunks > of meat in gravy. :-( I THINK we're safe - although I have fed mine supermarket store brands in the past, I haven't since I moved to Arizona. They won't EAT Iams or Eukanuba, so mostly they get Friskies or Whiskas moist food, plus Purina Indoor Cat kibble.
Joy - 17 Mar 2007 05:54 GMT >>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Eukanuba, so mostly they get Friskies or Whiskas moist food, plus Purina > Indoor Cat kibble. If they're just store brands, we're safe, too. However, I got the impression that they were several different brands, sold at the stores mentioned. I buy some of my cat food at Vons, which is owned by Safeway. Lately, it's been mostly Friskies.
Joy
Jack Campin - bogus address - 17 Mar 2007 00:08 GMT > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall > Pretty serious. It's serious enough that they put gluten in catfood at all. If cats had been evolutionarily designed to be wheat eaters they'd have invented the combine harvester.
Two of our five adult cats are gluten-intolerant in a similar way to humans with coeliac disease. Splodge has it so badly that even a mouthful of catfood in gravy will have him crapping in the bath with appalling diarrhoea (so smelly it hits you walking in the front door). I'd bet this is a *very* under-reported condition.
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kraut - 17 Mar 2007 01:46 GMT >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall > >Pretty serious. Been trying to access Menu Foods site at http://www.menufoods.com and all I get is that the site is currently unavailable.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Mar 2007 02:32 GMT >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >> >>Pretty serious. > > Been trying to access Menu Foods site at http://www.menufoods.com and > all I get is that the site is currently unavailable. Probably suffering an overload from inquiries by concerned catslaves!
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MaryL - 17 Mar 2007 14:09 GMT >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Try http://www.menufoods.com/recall/index.html it just worked for me. The supplier has done a very poor job of informing the public. There was a delay in providing any information at all, and people are consistently reporting that it has been impossible to contact anyone. The "list" that is now available only lists retailers -- there is no single source to search for specific brands. Oddly, the list that has been posted does not even mention the retailers that the original news reports mentiones (WalMart, Safeway, PetSmart, and Kroger).
MaryL
Nan - 17 Mar 2007 14:37 GMT >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >MaryL http://menufoods.com/recall/ has the information on which brands are being recalled in both the USA and Canada for both cats and dogs.
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Magic Mood Jeep© - 17 Mar 2007 14:57 GMT >>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > http://menufoods.com/recall/ has the information on which brands are > being recalled in both the USA and Canada for both cats and dogs. Yup - it lists them separately for each dog, and cat, and if you click on the 'brand' name, it gives you an excel file of the specific types!
MaryL - 17 Mar 2007 15:16 GMT >>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Yup - it lists them separately for each dog, and cat, and if you click on > the 'brand' name, it gives you an excel file of the specific types! I must not be seeing very well today because I don't see a place for "brand name." I see a list of separate retailers, and I could click on each one separately -- but I don't see anywhere to list all brand names. Where is that located. (I should be able to see that for myself, but I don't!) I admit that this is pure curiosity on my part -- and a desire to be able to tell other people about it -- because the food I use is not available in the sources listed. I use Wellness and Innova Evo, and none of the varieties I use are the "chunks and gravy" types.
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Adrian A - 17 Mar 2007 15:59 GMT > I must not be seeing very well today because I don't see a place for > "brand name." I see a list of separate retailers, and I could click [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > MaryL The list of cat food brands is here. http://www.menufoods.com/recall/product_cat.html
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MaryL - 17 Mar 2007 18:11 GMT >> I must not be seeing very well today because I don't see a place for >> "brand name." I see a list of separate retailers, and I could click [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The list of cat food brands is here. > http://www.menufoods.com/recall/product_cat.html Well, that really wasn't very bright of me. That's the site I checked, but I scanned too quickly. I didn't recognize most of the brands and saw names like WinnDixie and FoodLion, so I jumped to the (incorrect) conclusion that they were all names of retailers. I don't buy cat food at places like WalMart or Krogers, so I have missed out on the names of all the pet foods that have cropped up over the years. (I order mine through PetFoodDirect.)
Thanks! MaryL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Mar 2007 18:42 GMT > Well, that really wasn't very bright of me. That's the site I checked, but > I scanned too quickly. I didn't recognize most of the brands and saw names > like WinnDixie and FoodLion, so I jumped to the (incorrect) conclusion that > they were all names of retailers. I don't buy cat food at places like > WalMart or Krogers, so I have missed out on the names of all the pet foods > that have cropped up over the years. (I order mine through PetFoodDirect.) Ditto!! I did exactly the same thing and came to exactly the same conclusion.
But why aren't familiar names such as Friskies, Purina, and Whiskas on the list?
Joyce
John F. Eldredge - 18 Mar 2007 02:39 GMT > > Well, that really wasn't very bright of me. That's the site I checked, but > > I scanned too quickly. I didn't recognize most of the brands and saw names [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >But why aren't familiar names such as Friskies, Purina, and Whiskas on >the list? Possibly because they aren't made by this manufacturer, and thus aren't affected by the recall? The idea is to list pet foods that are affected by the recall, not to list all pet foods sold by any of the stores.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Mar 2007 06:50 GMT >>But why aren't familiar names such as Friskies, Purina, and Whiskas on >>the list?
> Possibly because they aren't made by this manufacturer, and thus > aren't affected by the recall? The idea is to list pet foods that are > affected by the recall, not to list all pet foods sold by any of the > stores. LOL, point taken. I've just been assuming that if these more obscure (to me, at least) brands were affected, then surely the more common ones would be, too. I will be very happy if they're not.
Joyce
Fuga :o) - 18 Mar 2007 14:11 GMT The recall also includes Science Diet Canned foods that is in gravy.
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Jack Campin - bogus address - 18 Mar 2007 22:37 GMT > The recall also includes Science Diet Canned foods that is in gravy. Since the ingredient responsible was gluten, any catfood that doesn't list wheat or cereal as an ingredient should be okay. (Those are the only kinds we buy because of Splodge's gluten intolerance - can mean a lot of label-scrutinizing but we do that anyway).
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Mar 2007 23:09 GMT >> The recall also includes Science Diet Canned foods that is in gravy.
> Since the ingredient responsible was gluten, any catfood that doesn't > list wheat or cereal as an ingredient should be okay. (Those are the > only kinds we buy because of Splodge's gluten intolerance - can mean > a lot of label-scrutinizing but we do that anyway). How do you know that was the ingredient responsible? I thought they hadn't yet figured out what was causing it.
If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat foods, then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would dogs die of this? They're omnivores and can eat grains with gluten.
Joyce
Ketzl's Dad - 19 Mar 2007 23:30 GMT > >> The recall also includes Science Diet Canned foods that is in gravy. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Joyce I think I remember reading somewhere (subject to misinformation; it was early on, when there was a lot of confusion and hype) that it was the wheat/gluten the company had acquired from a new provider that was suspect.
I guess I should be looking at cat food labels more closely. I don't even like the idea of the gluten in there, and heck, I was under the impression that Iams was among the best.
Anyone know where I can get a few hundred live mice for Ketzl's diet?
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jofirey - 20 Mar 2007 02:40 GMT >> >> The recall also includes Science Diet Canned foods that is in gravy. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Anyone know where I can get a few hundred live mice for Ketzl's diet? Jake and Rosie must have heard about the recall. They are hunting up a storm. They brought a very much alive and thoroughly ticked off robin inside today.
I keep telling them, their food is OK. They pretty much only eat kibble with the occasional shrimp or can of seafood.
Jo
Jack Campin - bogus address - 19 Mar 2007 23:38 GMT >> Since the ingredient responsible was gluten, any catfood that doesn't >> list wheat or cereal as an ingredient should be okay. (Those are the >> only kinds we buy because of Splodge's gluten intolerance - can mean >> a lot of label-scrutinizing but we do that anyway). > How do you know that was the ingredient responsible? I thought they > hadn't yet figured out what was causing it. I read that quite early on. Has it been retracted?
> If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat foods, > then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would dogs die of > this? They're omnivores and can eat grains with gluten. Because this time the gluten got contaminated in some as yet unknown way. Meanwhile, avoiding all foods containing gluten will guarantee your cat doesn't get any contaminated gluten.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Mar 2007 23:58 GMT >> If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat foods, >> then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would dogs die of >> this? They're omnivores and can eat grains with gluten.
> Because this time the gluten got contaminated in some as yet unknown > way. I see. I missed that original statement, and only got the part where they didn't know where the contaminant was coming from.
Joyce
jmcquown - 21 Mar 2007 16:08 GMT > >> If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat > foods, >> then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Joyce I think by now they've figured out the gluten (wheat) used in the products was moldy.
Victor Martinez - 20 Mar 2007 03:21 GMT > Because this time the gluten got contaminated in some as yet unknown > way. Meanwhile, avoiding all foods containing gluten will guarantee > your cat doesn't get any contaminated gluten. Well, cat's shouldn't be eating gluten in the first place. :-/
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William Hamblen - 24 Mar 2007 02:20 GMT >If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat foods, >then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would dogs die of >this? They're omnivores and can eat grains with gluten. The latest bit of news was that wheat imported from China was contaminated with a rodenticide. Importing wheat into Canada is like carrying coals to Newcastle.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2007 02:28 GMT > >If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat foods, > >then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would dogs die of > >this? They're omnivores and can eat grains with gluten.
> The latest bit of news was that wheat imported from China was > contaminated with a rodenticide. Importing wheat into Canada is like > carrying coals to Newcastle. It wasn't aflatoxin, then? Or are they still debating it?
I've heard the expression "carrying coals to Newcastle" many times, but I don't know exactly what it means. From this context, I'm gathering that Newcastle is already full of coal, so there's no point in bringing any more. And I figure that one can grow wheat in the southern plains of Canada the same as you can do in the US midwest, so why would Canada need to import it? That's my interpretation, anyway.
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Joyce
Matthew - 24 Mar 2007 06:06 GMT Carry coals to Newcastle
Meaning
To do something pointless and superfluous.
Origin
Newcastle on Tyne in England was a well known coal mining area and the UK's first coal exporting port. Taking coal there was an archetypally pointless activity. Other countries have similar phrases; in German it's 'taking owls to Athens' (the inhabitants of Athens already having sufficient wisdom). 'Selling snow to Eskimos', which in many people's understanding is also the same, has a different connotation. That refers to something which is difficult to achieve - requiring of superb sales skills.
Despite the name of the city, Newcastle's castle keep is almost a thousand years old - having replaced an earlier castle in 1178. The association of the city with coal and the phrase itself are also old. In 1606, Thomas Heywood in 'If you know not me, you know no bodie: or, the troubles of Queene Elizabeth' wrote:
"As common as coales from Newcastle."
The explicit link with pointlessness came soon afterwards, in Thomas Fuller's The history of the worthies of England, 1661:
"To carry Coals to Newcastle, that is to do what was done before; or to busy one's self in a needless imployment."
> > >If it were merely gluten, which is always present in some cat foods, > > >then why was there a sudden rash of deaths? And why would dogs die of [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Joyce jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Mar 2007 18:39 GMT > The supplier has done a very poor job of informing the public. There was a > delay in providing any information at all, and people are consistently [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mention the retailers that the original news reports mentiones (WalMart, > Safeway, PetSmart, and Kroger). Oh, thank you for posting this. I'm not the only one who is confused by the information on that site. I didn't recognize a single brand in that list, b ut did see some recognizable retailer names, so I think it is a list of the latter. I don't see how that helps. How do I remember where I last bought cat food? I get it at several places.
Joyce
annoyed@net.spammers - 17 Mar 2007 21:22 GMT >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >MaryL The menu foods recall *doesn't* list the Iams branded affected products. It tells you to go to the main Iams site. Read more at the following Iams site: http://us.iams.com/iams/en_US/jsp/IAMS_Page.jsp?pageID=PCA&articleID=300003
That link above has links to the affected products and how to read the product codes on the cans & pouches. The product codes listed are here: http://us.iams.com/iams/en_US/data_root/html/product_article/ProductRecallList.htm
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Scott Buchanan - 17 Mar 2007 06:00 GMT Good information. Thank You.
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall > > Pretty serious. Karen - 18 Mar 2007 05:37 GMT > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall > > Pretty serious. More added, including Iams, Eukanuba, Nutro, Presidents Choice. This seems so very odd, all of it.
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