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Takayuki - 06 Mar 2007 06:42 GMT
I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
like to love cats.

I have this wish, this dream.  It may not be a realistic dream.  But I
wish this was a world where every kitty was happy, content, and loved.
I want to get into each cat's mind, read its every wish and hope, and
fulfill them.  I want to watch them chase butterflies and jump into
their hoomin's arms.

Kitties are capable of such incredible love and happiness.  When I
first brought Betty home, I thought she would start off a bit wary
being in a new environment.  But when she popped out of her carrier
and saw where she was, she was the happiest, trillingest, most excited
little cat I'd ever seen.

And when near the end, when her jaw was half gone and she would back
away from her food and come to me begging for something to eat that
didn't bite back, I felt sadder than I ever had.

So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?
Pat - 06 Mar 2007 07:36 GMT
| I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
| like to love cats.
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|
| So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?

Yes. You may have guessed already, I am totally enthralled by my bunch and
can't believe my good fortune at having SEVEN wonderful kitties living with
me, adoring me and vice versa, and adoring each other as well. Each of them
is incredibly special in its own way. And every kitty that I meet, or see a
picture of, or hear about, is also special and enchanting and I want the
best for all of them. When I read about a sick or suffering kitty, I cry,
and when I see one crushed on a road, it tears my heart out.
Takayuki - 07 Mar 2007 03:28 GMT
>Yes. You may have guessed already, I am totally enthralled by my bunch and
>can't believe my good fortune at having SEVEN wonderful kitties living with
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>best for all of them. When I read about a sick or suffering kitty, I cry,
>and when I see one crushed on a road, it tears my heart out.

They're each wonderful creatures.  But not everyone seems to be
patient and attuned enough to see it.
Kreisleriana - 06 Mar 2007 13:34 GMT
>I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
>like to love cats.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?

Yes.  Absolutely.  I don't want them to have a moment's discomfort or
fear.

Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War
Karen - 06 Mar 2007 19:21 GMT
I have the same wish, Tak. I wish, actually, all the animals that need
people, and they do need people, would have happy homes.

> I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
> like to love cats.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?
Christina Websell - 06 Mar 2007 20:36 GMT
> I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
> like to love cats.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?

Tak, you break my heart with your loss.  I can feel tears forming in my eyes
so now I am going to bed.  I truly know how it feels.  When I lost my
beloved Pollyanna I could hardly cope with it.

Tweed
Takayuki - 07 Mar 2007 04:20 GMT
>Tak, you break my heart with your loss.  I can feel tears forming in my eyes
>so now I am going to bed.  I truly know how it feels.  When I lost my
>beloved Pollyanna I could hardly cope with it.

I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
about so many other cats and other pets who need hoomins.  Betty
sensitized me to needy ones like herself.

I had just watched this video of a stray cat that someone apparently
momentarily let indoors.  It's so happy to have found a home for a few
minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7t0_uLEwo

Sometimes I think I should stop watching these. :)
Helen Miles - 07 Mar 2007 17:16 GMT
> I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
> creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
> about so many other cats and other pets who need hoomins.  Betty
> sensitized me to needy ones like herself./////

Well, Tak, there is a furry owner waiting out there with your name
stamped on their paw. It seems to me that Betty is starting to suggest
that you think about opening up your homw to a new owner....

You know you want to. ;) :) :)

Helen M
Karen - 07 Mar 2007 17:47 GMT
> > I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
> > creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
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>
> Helen M

Maybe even two this time. For a new experience and, well, it's just a good
idea.
Shiral - 07 Mar 2007 19:44 GMT
> > > I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
> > > creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think Tak would be an excellent slave candidate to two loving new
owners. He needs an outlet for his love, as much as kitties need
homes!

As Helen said, Tak, you know you want to. =o)

Melissa
Pat - 07 Mar 2007 21:27 GMT
| > > Well, Tak, there is a furry owner waiting out there with your name
| > > stamped on their paw. It seems to me that Betty is starting to suggest
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|
| As Helen said, Tak, you know you want to. =o)

I'll chime in on this also. I know, too, that he wants two ;))
Takayuki - 08 Mar 2007 05:18 GMT
>| > > Well, Tak, there is a furry owner waiting out there with your name
>| > > stamped on their paw. It seems to me that Betty is starting to suggest
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>I'll chime in on this also. I know, too, that he wants two ;))

I'll think about it, but a kitty would have to promise me that it'll
never die.  And why two?  It sounds like such an arbitrary number. :)
Stormmee - 08 Mar 2007 05:31 GMT
2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when you
watch them sharing kitty things, and you feel the awe and privilege of being
allowed to witness it, Lee

> >| > > Well, Tak, there is a furry owner waiting out there with your name
> >| > > stamped on their paw. It seems to me that Betty is starting to suggest
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I'll think about it, but a kitty would have to promise me that it'll
> never die.  And why two?  It sounds like such an arbitrary number. :)
Takayuki - 08 Mar 2007 05:42 GMT
>2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when you
>watch them sharing kitty things, and you feel the awe and privilege of being
>allowed to witness it, Lee

Ah, kitty interactions!  It's true that that's something that I
haven't seen.  But it would be difficult to predict whether a
particular pair of cats would get along.
Pat - 08 Mar 2007 06:22 GMT
| But it would be difficult to predict whether a
| particular pair of cats would get along.

Get littermates. Or get two older cats that need to stay together, they've
got a rough time when they end up in a shelter.
Jo Firey - 08 Mar 2007 07:37 GMT
>>2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when you
>>watch them sharing kitty things, and you feel the awe and privilege of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> particular pair of cats would get along.
>\\

Most cats that aren't totally agressive or extremely shy get along.  By
older kittenhood they can normally work things out.

Jo
Stormmee - 08 Mar 2007 09:49 GMT
go to the shelter and ask to see cats that should be adopted together, there
are lots more pairs surrendered than you think, Lee
> >2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when you
> >watch them sharing kitty things, and you feel the awe and privilege of being
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> haven't seen.  But it would be difficult to predict whether a
> particular pair of cats would get along.
Karen - 08 Mar 2007 14:28 GMT
> >2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when you
> >watch them sharing kitty things, and you feel the awe and privilege of being
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> haven't seen.  But it would be difficult to predict whether a
> particular pair of cats would get along.

Oh now you are really out there. You get siblings. Or two who have bonded at
the shelter. Or whose hooman has died. It really isn't that difficult.
Ketzl's Dad - 08 Mar 2007 14:46 GMT
>>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when
> you
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>
> Oh now you are really out there. You get siblings.

Unfortunately, that doesn't always work. My good friend has two kitty sisters
who are always at each others' throat and who never hang out together. Kind
of like some folks, I guess.

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Karen - 08 Mar 2007 15:50 GMT
> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when
> > you
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> who are always at each others' throat and who never hang out together. Kind
> of like some folks, I guess.

Well, I admit a boy girl sibling match is best but mostly, it is the rare
exception that they don't grow up being at least ok with each other. Boy boy
matches are also usually really good. Now, there is a thought too Tak. The
boy cat experience is very different from the female one and they still need
love and a home.....
Kreisleriana - 08 Mar 2007 16:00 GMT
>> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe when
>> > you
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>boy cat experience is very different from the female one and they still need
>love and a home.....

Boy-boy sibs are usually OK, or two boy kittens-- they keep each other
busy.  
But I've often thought that the reason that Stinky and Dante never got
along was that Dante was a boy-- and I think boys keep that
territoriality even if they are neutered.  And Dante never really
respected Stinky's territory-- he was kind of clueless about it as a
kitten, and now that he is a grownup (???) cat, he is still very
boisterous and disrespectful, except bigger. :0  

So I think two boykittens together are a different deal from bringing
a new boycat onto an established boycat's territory.  I think I made a
mistake in that respect (although I don't regret having Dante), and I
think if I was doing it again, I would be more careful to get a girl
kitten.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh

Make Levees, Not War
Takayuki - 09 Mar 2007 05:10 GMT
>Boy-boy sibs are usually OK, or two boy kittens-- they keep each other
>busy.  
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>think if I was doing it again, I would be more careful to get a girl
>kitten.

The boycats I've known have usually been friendly, groom-y types.  I
remember when I visited the shelter when I adopted Betty, I was
considering taking one of three cats.

One was a ham of a 1 year old orange boy cat.  Another was a gray
ultra-purry 2 year old girl cat of extreme clinginess.  The third was
3 year old tuxedo girl cat who was sad and quiet, and gave headbutts
in exchange for scritches:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Takayuki9z/shelter1.html
Susan M - 09 Mar 2007 22:40 GMT
> So I think two boykittens together are a different deal from bringing
> a new boycat onto an established boycat's territory.  I think I made a
> mistake in that respect (although I don't regret having Dante), and I
> think if I was doing it again, I would be more careful to get a girl
> kitten.

The only time I saw Otis get pushed around was by a spunky little black
female kitten that we considered adopting briefly.  She swiped his nose and
had him cowed from the get go.  We returned her the same night to the person
who had found her and she was almost instantly adopted to another home.  In
my experience, girl cats can be real prima donas and really territorial.
Boy cats have seemed less complicated to me and I've seen lots of dual boy
households.

As usual though, its purrsonality dictated and you all know how we held
Chester up to the "single cat only" cats at the shelter and watched him yawn
unconcernedly when they hissed at him.  He was the perfect match for Otis!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 08 Mar 2007 21:11 GMT
>> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe
>> >>> when
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> need
> love and a home.....

I would agree with this from my experience.  I didn't expect a boycat in my
life, but Boyfriend appeared.  I didn't want him, to be truthful.
He is WONDERFUL and AMAZING.
Don't discount a boycat when you feel able to look for another feline
companion, Tak.

Tweed
Kreisleriana - 08 Mar 2007 23:28 GMT
>>> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe
>>> >>> when
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>Tweed

I have to second Christina-- I lerve my boycats, and I never had a
boycat before Stinky.  I had my little girl Mimi for so long, I
couldn't imagine a boycat.  Although Stinky may have his problems with
Dante, he has been the most loving cat I have ever encountered, beyond
my wildest expectations.  My Mimi was special in a very different
way-- she had an incredible personality and was my precious little
shrimpboat. ;)  Stinky seems like he is just full of lerve, like he's
just busting with a wonderful, sweet nature.  A friend once observed
"He glows with amiability."

I think they are all individuals.

 
Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War
Christina Websell - 10 Mar 2007 00:12 GMT
>>>> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe
>>>> >>> when
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> just busting with a wonderful, sweet nature.  A friend once observed
> "He glows with amiability."

I guess Kitty put me off cats a bit as she is so grumpy and always has been.
Initially, both Boyfriend and myself didn't trust each other.
I expected he would bite/scratch me, he expected I would ill treat him.

He doesn't have a bite or scratch in him.  He's like Stinky.  Full of love,
shy love though, only for me.  Some of my friends think he is an imaginary
cat as the moment they come in the house he disappears outside.
No-one will ever see him curled on my lap when everywhere is quiet, purring
his tiny purr and stretching his leg out so his paw can gently touch my
face.

Tweed
Stormmee - 10 Mar 2007 01:19 GMT
and it is things like this that require me to continue to be open to the
hurt of losing one of them, Lee

> >>>> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe
> >>>> >>> when
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>
> Tweed
Kreisleriana - 10 Mar 2007 03:24 GMT
>and it is things like this that require me to continue to be open to the
>hurt of losing one of them, Lee

I forget who said "Grief is the price we pay for love."  Especially
with animals because their lives are just long enough for them to
really get under our skins.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh

Make Levees, Not War
Stormmee - 10 Mar 2007 03:34 GMT
who ever said it was right, When I realize that TV, who is pushing 19
pounds, jumps up on the computer desk and reaches out his huge paw to touch
my face, push my nose or tap my finger for attention, when he could really
hurt me, it is totally amazing, Lee

> >and it is things like this that require me to continue to be open to the
> >hurt of losing one of them, Lee
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>
> Make Levees, Not War
Christina Websell - 12 Mar 2007 00:15 GMT
>>and it is things like this that require me to continue to be open to the
>>hurt of losing one of them, Lee
>
> I forget who said "Grief is the price we pay for love."  Especially
> with animals because their lives are just long enough for them to
> really get under our skins.

It might have been me.  I have said it on several occasions in the group.

Tweed

> Theresa
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
>
> Make Levees, Not War
Kreisleriana - 10 Mar 2007 03:20 GMT
>>>>> >>> 2 is double the fun, and you can learn your place in the universe
>>>>> >>> when
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>
>Tweed

Ooooooooooh!  <melt>

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh

Make Levees, Not War
polonca12000 - 11 Mar 2007 23:24 GMT
<snip>
> No-one will ever see him curled on my lap when everywhere is quiet, purring
> his tiny purr and stretching his leg out so his paw can gently touch my
> face.
>
> Tweed

How adorable!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Takayuki - 09 Mar 2007 05:18 GMT
>> Well, I admit a boy girl sibling match is best but mostly, it is the rare
>> exception that they don't grow up being at least ok with each other. Boy
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Don't discount a boycat when you feel able to look for another feline
>companion, Tak.

If I ever do get another kitty,that'll mean that I've made another
mental adjustment...

I think my mind is used to the optimistic idea that things heal, and
that things get better.  So part of me still holds on to the idea that
Betty will come back.  If I get another cat, that would mean admitting
that she's gone forever.

I killed Betty's body, but her spirit lives on.  Do I have to kill her
spirit now too?  It's a little dilemma.  Maybe a familiar one to many
people here.
Jo Firey - 09 Mar 2007 05:36 GMT
>>> Well, I admit a boy girl sibling match is best but mostly, it is the
>>> rare
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> spirit now too?  It's a little dilemma.  Maybe a familiar one to many
> people here.

My special pet left for the bridge over twenty years ago.  Trust me the
others that have followed her footprints into my heart have done nothing to
even bruise her spirit, let alone to kill it.

Jo
Stormmee - 09 Mar 2007 06:13 GMT
YOU DID NOT KILL HER BODY!!!, you let her body go, and her spirit will
always live on, in your heart, in your head and in the greatness of the
universe, love is eternal...  Getting another kitty doesn't mean any
disrespect to Betty, what it means is that she taught you well enough for
you to share another part of your heart with another of her kind... having
another companion in no way disrespects what you shared with Betty, it gives
it the honor of your realization that there are many who are loved and many
who need love and many who will love in return if they are only given the
chance... If you never get another kitty it would mean that you are never
going to share all that you learned from Betty, Lee, who understands the
pain... several times over...

> >> Well, I admit a boy girl sibling match is best but mostly, it is the rare
> >> exception that they don't grow up being at least ok with each other. Boy
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> spirit now too?  It's a little dilemma.  Maybe a familiar one to many
> people here.
Karen - 09 Mar 2007 15:16 GMT
> >> Well, I admit a boy girl sibling match is best but mostly, it is the rare
> >> exception that they don't grow up being at least ok with each other. Boy
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> spirit now too?  It's a little dilemma.  Maybe a familiar one to many
> people here.

Wait, why does that mean you kill her spirit? Spirit just doesn't work that
way. Spirit is always in you/with you. It's in your memories, but also even
tangible at times. I don't think there IS anything you can do to kill
spirit, not unless maybe you want to. Even then, I don't think you would be
able to will it. That would mean undoing the past and making it not exist.
(If you ask me).
polonca12000 - 11 Mar 2007 23:29 GMT
> If I ever do get another kitty,that'll mean that I've made another
> mental adjustment...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> spirit now too?  It's a little dilemma.  Maybe a familiar one to many
> people here.

You did not kill Betty's body, you released her from her suffering. It
is so terribly unfair that she got ill and so soon. But Betty will
always live in your heart and in the heart of us who "knew" her. I feel
like I knew her, as if I've met her in real life. I think that the love
you have for her made that possible.
Lots and lots of hugs and purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 Mar 2007 18:52 GMT
> I'll think about it, but a kitty would have to promise me that it'll
> never die.  And why two?  It sounds like such an arbitrary number. :)

Indeed! It's a slippery slope... :)

But if you're someone who might not want to (or simply can't) have a
houseful of cats, two is a good minimum. For me, the biggest joy of
having a multi-cat household is watching them interact with each other.
(Of course, I wish I'd handled the Smudge-Licky introduction more
gracefully, because those interactions are usually not too joyful.)
But two cats who get along well and are close are just so sweet and
fun to watch.

A friend of mine once cautioned me against having more than one or two
cats, because the more cats you have, she reasoned, the less they interact
with the human, since they have each other. In other words, if the human
is the only show in town, the cat will gravitate to the human. But to me,
seeing my cats enjoying each other is as satisfying as having the cats
interact with me - and they do that, too.

Joyce
Karen - 08 Mar 2007 19:21 GMT
>  > I'll think about it, but a kitty would have to promise me that it'll
>  > never die.  And why two?  It sounds like such an arbitrary number. :)
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Joyce

and I'll add that even two cats that just tolerate each other are very good
company. Sugar and Pearl don't get along like some cats. At least a yard or
so needs to be between them for decent accord. Yet, still they have learned
to play, as long as there is no contact and I know that if I am gone, there
is someone there for the other.  It's kind of boring for a cat just to have
a hoomin to look at and interact with. I second that watching kitty
behaviour is too fun. Remember this?

http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv

jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 Mar 2007 23:11 GMT
> and I'll add that even two cats that just tolerate each other are very good
> company. Sugar and Pearl don't get along like some cats. At least a yard or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> a hoomin to look at and interact with. I second that watching kitty
> behaviour is too fun. Remember this?

> http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv

Hahahaha!! I haven't seen that one before. I love how you pan from one
flicking kitty tail to the other, as the tension slowly builds. The tiny
"explosion" at the end was almost a relief!

Joyce
Marina - 09 Mar 2007 04:24 GMT
> and I'll add that even two cats that just tolerate each other are very good
> company. Sugar and Pearl don't get along like some cats. At least a yard or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv

LOL! The tails! I hadn't seen this before, Karen.

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Karen - 09 Mar 2007 15:11 GMT
> > and I'll add that even two cats that just tolerate each other are very good
> > company. Sugar and Pearl don't get along like some cats. At least a yard or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > a hoomin to look at and interact with. I second that watching kitty
> > behaviour is too fun. Remember this?

http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv


> LOL! The tails! I hadn't seen this before, Karen.

It is hilarious to watch them now. Pearl looks at Sugar and Sugar puts her
ears back (and remember she is usually at least 5 feet away) and
cack-cack-cacks in warning. And yet, she likes to be chased. There is one
rule for BOTH of them. "No touching".  If both adhere to that, they both
seem amenable, even happy to have Pearl stalk and terrorize Sugar. It's the
funniest thing. In fact, last night, Pearl was behind a big pillow bolster
on the floor. Earlier she had been "evil gazing" on Sugar, but then she
found this spot and settled in. Well, even though Sugar HAD been acting
annoyed by Evil Gazing, now she couldn't stand that it wasn't followed up
on. SHe went over and sat on the other side of the bolster (Pearl didn't
even know she was there) and cocked her head looking full of expectancy. It
was hilarious. Pearl never did "come get her" much to Sugar's
disappointment.
Marina - 09 Mar 2007 04:32 GMT
> http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv

One more thing about the video: in spite of the tails they don't look
seriously angry. Both have their ears forward, not back, and there's no
hissing. I think Sugar definitely looks like she wants to play. That's
how the wrestling matches start around here, too. And I don't think
there can be any doubt that Mir and Cali lerve each other. :)(Note to
Barnabus: they love each other like siblings.)

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Karen - 09 Mar 2007 15:13 GMT
http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv


> One more thing about the video: in spite of the tails they don't look
> seriously angry. Both have their ears forward, not back, and there's no
> hissing. I think Sugar definitely looks like she wants to play. That's
> how the wrestling matches start around here, too. And I don't think
> there can be any doubt that Mir and Cali lerve each other. :)(Note to
> Barnabus: they love each other like siblings.)

Yeah, its very funny. They BOTH have to be in the mood at the same time
though. And they only play "Chase Sugar". Chase Pearl is a no no and
touching is an absolute nono. Still, they seem to have this all worked out
between them and are apparently pretty happy with it.
Susan M - 09 Mar 2007 22:44 GMT
Yet, still they have learned
> to play, as long as there is no contact and I know that if I am gone,
> there
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> http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/?action=view&current=goodfen
ces.flv

I love it!  Hillarious!  And it is neat to see just how black they look in
the video too.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Shiral - 09 Mar 2007 00:28 GMT
> >| > > Well, Tak, there is a furry owner waiting out there with your name
> >| > > stamped on their paw. It seems to me that Betty is starting to suggest
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True! Just keep adding them until you find the right number. =o)

Two is enough to give the cats company when you must leave them for a
few hours.
Two is manageable in terms of food, litter and veterinary needs for
most people.
Two is double the fun. =o)

Melissa
Pat - 09 Mar 2007 02:13 GMT
| Two is enough to give the cats company when you must leave them for a
| few hours.
| Two is manageable in terms of food, litter and veterinary needs for
| most people.
| Two is double the fun. =o)

Three is better. That way if one dies, the remaining kitty has a lot less
grief. But really you need four, so if one dies, you still have three.
Stormmee - 09 Mar 2007 02:15 GMT
I can make this argument, we had five, Miss violette passed and I was happy
with not getting more, but bast had different ideas... Stormmee came,... and
then Chester to calm the others down from her energy, so we now have six,
Lee

> | Two is enough to give the cats company when you must leave them for a
> | few hours.
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> Three is better. That way if one dies, the remaining kitty has a lot less
> grief. But really you need four, so if one dies, you still have three.
Shiral - 09 Mar 2007 02:26 GMT
> | Two is enough to give the cats company when you must leave them for a
> | few hours.
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> Three is better. That way if one dies, the remaining kitty has a lot less
> grief. But really you need four, so if one dies, you still have three.

I've been tempted to adopt a shy neighbor kitty, a sort of blue gray-
Siamese with incedible blue eyes.  This cat is very sweet and friendly
and obviously used to people, so I'm not sure if he/she has a human,
or not.

I was very glad to have my girls when Pan crossed the Rainbow Bridge
last spring.  But  they and I manage very well as a household of three
girls.

I think Cat lovers need a MINIMUM of two cats. Any more they want to
add on after that is  great, too.  =o)

Tak, if you adopt two cats at once, they'll each be getting used to
the other at the same time they're getting used to you, which will
hopefully cut down on territorial fighting.  Even though I have a
mother-daughter pair, they're not  conjoined at the hip. They have
their cuddles and their battles and their sessions of mutual grooming
and play.  It's a pleasure to watch them at it. And it's nice to see
each cat's distinctive personality bloom. =o)

Melissa
Stormmee - 07 Mar 2007 22:32 GMT
and for the record, after thirty years not a day goes by that I don't think
of my first cat, second cat, third cat... and so on... but the love I share
with the current owners makes the love I shared with those at the bridge
even more precious,... and sending you a new owner is a real possibility, I
was convinced I did not want another cat when Miss Violette went to the
bridge... We still had 4 and it was Due to Violette that Harri and Toni got
different owners than us... less than 2 weeks later Miss Violette sent us
Stormmee and her energy then led us a few short months later to allow
Chester to adopt us... so not only did we get another but 2.... all because
of the love we shared with Violette, Lee

> > I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
> > creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
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Takayuki - 08 Mar 2007 05:13 GMT
>> I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
>> creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
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>
>You know you want to. ;) :) :)

I wrote something that's so easy to misconstrue. ;)

What I was thinking was that cats are such mysterious and subtle
creatures, but that the more you're around them, and the more you pay
attention to them, the better you understand them.  Since Betty was my
first cat, she taught me things in leaps and bounds, and I'm really
thankful to her for that.

I wanted to see and understand more, and I think that what I really
wanted was for us to share all the same thoughts.  I wanted to feel
her excitement and wonder at seeing a flock of birds in the yard.  And
I wanted her to feel my wonder at seeing a sunset.  I felt that we
were meant to be one being - not apart as one hoomin and one cat, but
one eternal hoomincat, together, inseperable, such that you couldn't
tell what part was hoomin, and what part was cat.

But instead of being together, we were torn apart, and it left my
education incomplete.  But when I see other cats, I can see that I've
still learned enough from Betty, and have enough of Betty left, that I
can feel what other kitties feel.  Still in an imperfect hoomin way,
but still enough that I wish all kitties were happier, safer, more
content.
Karen - 08 Mar 2007 14:25 GMT
> >> I know you loved Pollyanna, your whippets, and so many other
> >> creatures.  I wasn't feeling sad primarily about Betty today, but
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> one eternal hoomincat, together, inseperable, such that you couldn't
> tell what part was hoomin, and what part was cat.

I don't think we ever get to share that. Pearl has this certain look that
she looks at me and it is sooooo deep and fathomless, and I just can't
figure out what she could possibly be thinking to look at me so deeply. It's
almost like soulgazing or something, only I don't get to see what is in
hers!

> But instead of being together, we were torn apart, and it left my
> education incomplete.  But when I see other cats, I can see that I've
> still learned enough from Betty, and have enough of Betty left, that I
> can feel what other kitties feel.  Still in an imperfect hoomin way,
> but still enough that I wish all kitties were happier, safer, more
> content.

The only way that can happen, Tak, is if good cat parent people go out and
bring them in ;)
Shiral - 07 Mar 2007 01:16 GMT
> I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
> like to love cats.
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>
> So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?

Oh, definitely. I feel so blessed to have these beautiful,
companionable animals in my life. They are so wonderful to come home
to, even though I know the first thoughts in their little heads is
"She's home! Time for dinner!"

I  could sit for hours stroking and admiring my two girls. Their
perfection is fascinating, and each cat is wonderful in their own
unique way.  I know I could not bear the thought of anyone being cruel
to them. And I want them to stay healthy and happy all their lives,
may they be long.

Tak, I hope you will find a new cat friend to love, and soon. May
Bastet send you a cat who needs you,    so that you have an outlet for
your loving heart.  I'm sure Betty would approve.

Melissa
Takayuki - 07 Mar 2007 03:40 GMT
>Oh, definitely. I feel so blessed to have these beautiful,
>companionable animals in my life. They are so wonderful to come home
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>Bastet send you a cat who needs you,    so that you have an outlet for
>your loving heart.  I'm sure Betty would approve.

I think the dinner is just part of what your girls are thinking.  They
may be hungry, but they want meowmie!
Baha - 07 Mar 2007 19:44 GMT
I remember the days I used to shoplift to make sure my Fritzie was well-fed,
stealing cat food to have cash for the vet appointments on hand. I never
wanted anything dire to happen to my little one, even when putting myself at
such risk. His happiness was my priority. And it is so with my five now.
Nothing makes me feel more appreciated and like I've done my part than when
one of my babies rolls over to show me a furry belly. Talk about trust and
contentment.

Blessed be,
Baha

>I've been thinking lately that I am beginning to understand what it's
>like to love cats.
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>
>So you really want them to be happy, all the time, don't you?
Takayuki - 08 Mar 2007 05:00 GMT
>I remember the days I used to shoplift to make sure my Fritzie was well-fed,
>stealing cat food to have cash for the vet appointments on hand. I never
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>one of my babies rolls over to show me a furry belly. Talk about trust and
>contentment.

A kitty can tell that it's a very special can of food, filled with
love when the slave puts a finger to the lips and serves it while
speaking in hushed tones. :)
 
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