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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2007Why one should not breed & sell pets
http://www.theindychannel.com/family/11153900/detail.html  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > http://www.theindychannel.com/family/11153900/detail.html Well, this is a very extreme circumstance, isn't it? I do not entirely agree with your title either, if no-one ever bred or sold pets, no-one would be able to have a pet, would they? I hold up my hand to say that many years ago I bred hamsters and the ones I didn't want to keep, I let go for pets. Previous to that, guinea pigs ditto. I do not feel guilty about it. They were all reared to the highest standards and anyone who wanted a pet hamster/gp got a good one. Tweed >> http://www.theindychannel.com/family/11153900/detail.html > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > hamster/gp got a good one. > Tweed OK - wrong choice for subject titles - maybe it should have read "one of the dangers of breeding & selling pets" My worst fear is that these poor pups will end up as pitt bull bait :( >>> http://www.theindychannel.com/family/11153900/detail.html >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > My worst fear is that these poor pups will end up as pitt bull bait :( OK. First off, using this logic, no one should own anything of value for fear it might be stolen. Second, nobody steals purebred Yorkies for pit bull bait. Third, far more pit bulls are stolen than other breeds of dogs. Fourth, criminals are often pretty stupid. Without papers those Yorkies are still cute but hardly worth $2500 each. People have their homes broken into and their valuables stolen all the time. This just made the national news because of the awwww factor of the puppies and because there was video available to show on TV. Jo On Mar 2, 5:14�pm, "Magic Mood Jeep�" <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote: > Innews:54rn35F22eeikU1@mid.individual.net, > Christina Websell purred: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > My worst fear is that these poor pups will end up as pitt bull bait :( That's one of the weirdest things I've ever read. I don't think they're going to end up as pitt bull bait--if they were looking for that, there are tons of free ads-always-where they wouldn't have to commit a felony to acquire. This is just so stupid! Without the papers, those Yorkies aren't worth that much, and you can't pawn Yorkies or anything. They must already have a buyer. But STILL. Armed robbery for dogs? Sherry Another reason I don't invite people to my home that I don't know. What a F@cked up world we live in. > http://www.theindychannel.com/family/11153900/detail.html >Another reason I don't invite people to my home that I don't know. What a >F@cked up world we live in. On the very rare occasion that I have to have even a repair person on my property, (anywhere) I'm *always* armed. I point out the security system, and the security camera they are working near. Yes, a significant number of home burglaries are traced to workmen. They case your place, then tell their criminal friends what you have, and when you are likely to be at work. One person can be in a dozen places a day. Nice way to scope out the easy pickings. I had one jerk who kept asking my work hours. I kept telling him my hours are flexible (they are). He kept trying to find out when I'd be gone. I got his full name and filed a complaint with the company he worked with, and the police. I talked to two officers. One was a real jerk. The other guy said it was *real good idea* to report suspicious questions, as I was doing. He said that if they get two or more complaints about the same person, they investigate. He said in most cases it didn't come to anything, but it happened enough that at least *he* took it seriously. He basically said an honest person wouldn't ask when I'm gone, but when I'd be home. he called it "a real red flag". Good cop, lazy cop. Pity. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Life without cats would be only marginally worth living." -TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie. How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven. - Robert Heinlein Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier. -Buddha You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads property and house video and audio monitored by 24 hour armed security. I want photo id before I let any repair man or woman in. As they walk thru the door I point at the camera and say smile you are be recorded. Human nature is to look where someone points gets them every time. I am also armed at all times. I also hover and follow them around to make sure what is going on. They start acting strange it is get out no questions about it. I might be paranoid but I have been in situations before where I had armed robbery occurred And I said never again >>Another reason I don't invite people to my home that I don't know. What a >>F@cked up world we live in. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier. > -Buddha > You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads > property and house video and audio monitored by 24 hour armed security. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > might be paranoid but I have been in situations before where I had armed > robbery occurred And I said never again That's just sad, Matthew. Not a reflection on you personally, just a reflection of the times. I guess I'm still gullible, but repairmen don't bother me at all. I usually offer them tea or something. We have had the opportunity to help people over the years and I guess I won't stop unless we do have a bad experience like you have. Most recently a couple ended up here stranded in a storm--weirdly enough, lightning struck their car & knocked out the headlights. We just let them spend the night here. What else could we do? Another time a teenage girl knocked on the door at 1 a.m. Her loser boyfriend had kicked her out of the car, doused her with diesel fuel and tried to set her on fire. She had walked for miles. She came in, took a bath, gave her some clothes and we took her to the police station. We do have a gun, but I guess I hid it so well years ago I have no idea where it is. Stray cats are a lot less stressful than stray people, though, I agree! Sherry On Mar 3, 6:15?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads > property and house video and audio monitored by 24 hour armed security. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > might be paranoid but I have been in situations before where I had armed > robbery occurred And I said never again That's just sad, Matthew. Not a reflection on you personally, just a reflection of the times. I guess I'm still gullible, but repairmen don't bother me at all. I usually offer them tea or something. We have had the opportunity to help people over the years and I guess I won't stop unless we do have a bad experience like you have. Most recently a couple ended up here stranded in a storm--weirdly enough, lightning struck their car & knocked out the headlights. We just let them spend the night here. What else could we do? Another time a teenage girl knocked on the door at 1 a.m. Her loser boyfriend had kicked her out of the car, doused her with diesel fuel and tried to set her on fire. She had walked for miles. She came in, took a bath, gave her some clothes and we took her to the police station. We do have a gun, but I guess I hid it so well years ago I have no idea where it is. Stray cats are a lot less stressful than stray people, though, I agree! Sherry ====================================================================================================== John Stossel just did a piece on 20/20 saying something I've believed for a long time - the politicians and media in American are causing extensive fear far out of proportion to any real threat. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/2/22/204115.shtml He claims, quite rightly, that we have more to fear from a heart attack or stroke than any other threat - and yet we keep chomping down on Big Macs and fries while we spend thousands of dollars on home security systems! One of the truly sad results of all this fear mongering is that it is causing some real harm (for example, a lot of parents have quit vacinating their children for fear of the side effects of vaccines, when in truth the dire results of the diseases we vaccinate against far, *FAR* outweigh any small risks of taking the vaccines). It is such a travesty that even one child comes down with polio just because some politician was using fear to be reelected or some TV station was using fear to gain bigger ratings!!! My philosophy is that when it is my time to go I'll go and all the "preventative measures" in the world aren't going to stop me from going! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > On Mar 3, 6:15?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: >> You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > CatNipped A famous old saying (I hope I quote it correctly) by President Roosevelt: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Or maybe it should be classed under "Famous Last Words". MLB > A famous old saying (I hope I quote it correctly) by President Roosevelt: > > "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". > > Or maybe it should be classed under "Famous Last Words". While I believe it's sensible to keep yourself safe, I also believe that the fear of crime is disabling to a proper lifestyle. The media would have us believe that if we walk down the street at night we will be immediately mugged, raped or murdered; if we leave a window open just a crack and go out for an hour, when we come back all our possessions will be gone. Do not leave your car unlocked or it will be stolen as soon as you stop to buy a newspaper.. I cannot speak for America, but here in the UK where I live the chance of anything bad like that happening is actually quite small. I don't intend scaremongering like that to make me afraid to walk down my road at midnight - like I used to do until quite recently with my dogs for them to have that last comfort stop before bedtime. I cannot remember when I last locked the boot (trunk?) of my car, and I had no fear of leaving my back door ajar overnight just recently to let Ms Rat make her escape. No-one is likely to steal my car anyway! Car thieves go for high performance cars. I go for economy and have a small Citreon! I remember when a colleague of mine collected 4 thousand pounds from his bank to buy a car. He had it all in his pocket for a few hours at work. He was terrified to go out to pick up a sandwich for lunch in case he got mugged. I pointed out it was unlikely that he had a huge sign on his forehead that said "I have an enormous amount of money in my pocket, please rob me." and suggested that he would be perfectly safe - which indeed he was, he came back with his lunch still with his money intact. It's good to take precautions against crime, but don't panic about it if you slip up now and again. There is no arrow pointing to your property if you now and again forget to lock up. Tweed >> A famous old saying (I hope I quote it correctly) by President >> Roosevelt: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Tweed I totally agree. I think all this fear-mongering is ridiculous. Although I do think that it's much worse in the US than anywhere else. I thank my lucky stars that I have never lived anywhere that I felt unsafe. Growing up in Victoria, BC, we lived in a rural area. My parents are nervous nellies and always locked everything, but my neighbours never locked their door. In Vancouver I didn't have to worry because living in a high rise, the security is built in. But I never felt unsafe walking around at night. In Thailand we would go on 2 weeks vacation without locking the door. We knew the maid would be in and out anyway to feed Vino. I also felt safe walking in Bangkok anywhere that I would normally want to go. The worst thing that ever happened was a taxi driver taking the long way around to get a bigger fare. But it would all equal out because in that case I just wouldn't give a tip. Here in Australia, we are in a small town, but it is a tourist destination. I often leave the back door into the garden open when I run to the store. I do this because I feel bad making Vino come inside for 1/2 hour or so. Also, I'm really forgetful and constantly neglect to lock my front door at night. With my car I'm a bit better and I do lock it but mostly because I love using the button on my key that locks everything up. I dunno. I guess I would just feel like my life was pretty crap if I constantly had to worry about crime. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://picasaweb.google.com/badwilson > On Mar 3, 6:15?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: >> You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > agree! > Sherry ============================================================================ ========================== > John Stossel just did a piece on 20/20 saying something I've believed > for a long time - the politicians and media in American are causing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > CatNipped (pardon the massive snippage throughout) I've never had a Big Mac :) I am partial to fries but only eat them a few times a year. Guess I'll be okay! But seriously, I've had problems with employees of my apartment complex. Not repairmen... yard maintenance men. Back around 1998 there was a huge storm, knocked out power all over. Some places were without it for weeks! Well, the office was closed because there was nothing but emergency generators running for the building. But the man who did lawn maintenance took it upon himself to come check on me and make sure I wasn't late for work. It wasn't his business whether I was late for work or not. But there he was, pounding on my door at 7AM. I am not some wayward child who might miss the bus to school! (He didn't stay in that job long. He was really only doing the job because he was retired and bored.) Another yard maintenance man was hired. He apparently got a deal on his rent for working around the place. He became infatuated with me. Started leaving me notes (like, don't forget to change your clocks!) and little gifts (wind chimes, he noticed the ones on my patio). It was creeping me out!! I complained to the (then) property manager and she sighed and said he's lonely. Well, I'm sorry but that's not my problem, is it? Tell him to cut it out! Shortly thereafter they contracted with an outside firm to do the lawn maintenance stuff. No more hiring some guy from the neighborhood. So yes, repairmen and maintenance guys can be scary. I don't open the door for anyone without seeing ID. I remember one time a man knocked on my door and said, "I'm your mailman! I have a package for you!" He was, indeed, I recognized him. But he wasn't in a USPS uniform so I said leave on the step I'll get it later. I really had no way of knowing why he was really at my door. Jill >> On Mar 3, 6:15?am, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: >>> You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Jill OK, call me stupid, but I never even check who's there before opening my door - even if I'm home alone - even if it's after dark. And lots of times, if it is hot outside, I'll offer whoever it is an invitation to come inside, have a cold drink, and chat. As I've said, I've meet hundreds and hundreds of delightful people and haven't yet been attacked or hurt (or even run into any weirdoes as you have). I hear all the horror stories of home invasions on the news, but I just don't think the chances that it is going to happen to me are high enough to cause me to cower behind my door in fear. Had I done so I would have missed out on meeting so many diverse people and widen my horizons. Hugs, CatNipped > You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads > property and house video and audio monitored by 24 hour armed security. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about it. I might be paranoid but I have been in situations before where > I had armed robbery occurred And I said never again And again I remember why I like living in a fairly small town and a small neighborhood. We know our neighbors. About 3/4 of the population went to high school together. Not only does just about everyone know everyone else, they know their kids and parents as well. Most everyone on out street has a flexible schedule. And the guy directly across the street is a retired bored cop who is home most of the time. No it doesn't make us 100% safe, but it does feel secure. Jo > You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads > property and house video and audio monitored by 24 hour armed security. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > might be paranoid but I have been in situations before where I had armed > robbery occurred And I said never again Good God...!!? I'm pleased to hear that you are still here to tell us the tale... In the UK, to carry a gun you have to go to hell and back just to get a license to own one, & an even better reason to use it too. (If you go by the proper channels that is- on the streets of London, we are being told that you can pick up a gun now for a measly £50 ($100)).. So the kids are all buying them now, and shooting each other to death.. the old story that we used to hear about in the states have actually reached us here now too.. The Gang culture.. I can't say that I blame you Matthew. Were I in your position & had I been what you have been through, I think that I might be sorely tempted to think about owning one too. However, there have been many numerous stories in the press over here in the last few years about people using their licensed guns to run people off their property, because they have actually caught them in the act of theft on their property, only to find themselves locked up by the police, on charges of attempted murder...!! Can you believe that? One particular story that comes to mind is that a fellow called Tony Martin ( I think it was -not sure so only hear say- I could probably look it up for you).. caught a couple of burglars on his property, & warned them that if they didn't remove themselves instantly, that he would shoot to maim them. He actually did mange to catch one of them with a slug too... The poor fellow who was a bit of a recluse found himself sent to jail for several years, & can you believe it??? The fellow that he did manage to slug, went to the criminal injuries board and asked for compensation for the injuries he received from the farmer...after trying to rob him blind, & admitted going there with the intent to burgle him It makes you wonder what the world is coming to, doesn't it, when you feel so threatened that you need to carry a gun to protect yourself & your property?!!! More recently, (in the last couple of weeks, 3 kids have shot each other to death over gang culture issues too).. I think it is a sad society that we have to live in these days..... S;o) Keep Safe >>You come on to my property or into my house I have a nice sign that reads >>property and house video and audio monitored by 24 hour armed security. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > In the UK, to carry a gun you have to go to hell and back just to get > a license to own one, & an even better reason to use it too. You must remember, Matthew lives in Florida! (Which seems to be populated largely by rich "snowbirds", Cuban immigrants, and "rednecks" - with a mix like that, you can probably get away with almost anything, so long as you don't get caught.) > You must remember, Matthew lives in Florida! (Which seems > to be populated largely by rich "snowbirds", Cuban > immigrants, and "rednecks" - with a mix like that, you can > probably get away with almost anything, so long as you don't > get caught.)- Hide quoted text - You must forgive me here, because I come from the UK. However, I would be most interested to know what Snow Birds "Rednecks" are exactly? Funny how we speak the same language, yet have no idea of what someone is talking about even though we speak to each other, isn't it? My guess would be that it has something to do with Drugs, but rednecks are beyond me? Thanks, S:o) >> You must remember, Matthew lives in Florida! (Which seems >> to be populated largely by rich "snowbirds", Cuban [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thanks, >S:o) Redneck is a somewhat-pejorative term for a poor white person. Stereotypically, they live in a trailer, drink lots of cheap beer, have had tattoos since before tattoos became widely popular, drive pickup trucks with rifles in the back window, and have reactionary political views. The stereotypical drugs of choice would be tobacco, beer, and methamphetamines. Snowbirds are people from up north, mostly from the Eastern Seaboard area, who come south during the winter, then return to the north in the summer to avoid the Florida heat and humidity. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >> You must remember, Matthew lives in Florida! (Which seems >> to be populated largely by rich "snowbirds", Cuban [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks, > S:o) Snowbirds are folk that live far enough north that it snows in the winter, so they head for warmer climates in the fall. Usually they are retired and don't have to stay north for work anymore, but don't want to move south permanently. Lots of New Yorkers and Canadians etc wintering in Florida etc. People that live in the warm states love/hate them because they bring money that provides jobs but crowd the roads and beaches and can be generally a nuisance. Rednecks are really just folks who have to work outdoors in the sun, so the backs of their necks are sunburnt. So think white and poor. Looked down on by those who get their suntans in more "respectable" ways. Considered uncouth. As often happens what started out as a derogatory term has become somewhat a matter of pride. Sometimes these things get carried to silly extreme. Jo >>You must remember, Matthew lives in Florida! (Which seems >>to be populated largely by rich "snowbirds", Cuban [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > However, I would be most interested to know what Snow Birds "Rednecks" > are exactly? Two different types of folks. "Snowbirds" is the descriptive name given to people who maintain homes in the colder states during the summer, but "fly south" to escape the harsh winters. "Redneck" is a not very flattering term often applied to rural southerners (it carries a connotation of being bigoted and uneducated). (I wasn't accusing Matthew of being either - I hope he didn't take offense!) > One particular story that comes to mind is that a fellow called Tony > Martin ( I think it was -not sure so only hear say- I could probably [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The poor fellow who was a bit of a recluse found himself sent to jail > for several years, & can you believe it??? He killed one of them, *without* warning. It was pretty clear that he had looking for an excuse to kill somebody for a very long time. He was just plain weird. I have no problem with people having the right to own guns. Just don't expect me to occupy the same room or car as anybody creepy enough that they want one of their own. Or to communicate with them in any way except "get me the f.ck away from this nutter". ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 >> One particular story that comes to mind is that a fellow called Tony >> Martin ( I think it was -not sure so only hear say- I could probably [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > he had looking for an excuse to kill somebody for a very long time. > He was just plain weird. I disagree. If you look at the facts he had been targetted for a long time by youths. Where does the idea that "he was looking for an excuse to kill somebody for a long time" come from? I am not saying I agree with what he did, but I understand why he did it. Tweed On 13 Mar, 19:32, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> One particular story that comes to mind is that a fellow called Tony > >> Martin ( I think it was -not sure so only hear say- I could probably [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> The poor fellow who was a bit of a recluse found himself sent to jail > >> for several years, & can you believe it??? I defer to your to your more extensive knowledge of the case. It was some years ago & I don't remember the details, because it wasn't a story that I followed with any fervor. You will have course have noticed that I also said that I wasn't sure about the facts, but that I was able to find the story & the facts associated with it, if anyone really wanted me to find them find out/ know the details..? ( I think it was -not sure so only hear say- I could probably > >> look it up for you).. > > He killed one of them, *without* warning. It was pretty clear that > > he had looking for an excuse to kill somebody for a very long time. > > He was just plain weird. I wasn't aware of that either. As I said, it wasn't a story of great interest to me @ that time...hence not much memory of the incident, other than to think that it was a harsh sentence to hand down to a man who was protecting their own property, land & valuables. I have no details on his mental capacity @ the time of the shootings, or any mitigating circumstances either , so I feel it would be wrong of me to judge the man in question, or his reasons for shooting to kill... (If that was established in a court of law?) I only brought the subject up because Matthew was telling us how bad things were around where he resides. My most memorable opinion when it all transpired, was that he was somewhat of a recluse, & that "personally", IMHO, I felt that it was a very harsh sentence. after all, he was on his own property, & defending his house and land & valuables, & possibly his life as well.. @ the time, there could have been no way that he could have known that the burglars were not armed themselves & ready to shoot him first if they were disturbed during a robbery. I do realise that this was most probably not the case, but it was the possibility that edged him to take that action. I do NOT CONDONE HIS ACTIONS AT ALL! Please don't confuse that with me with some nutter that thought it was ok to do, will you? > I disagree. If you look at the facts he had been targeted for a long time > by youths. Where does the idea that "he was looking for an excuse to kill > somebody for a long time" come from? > I am not saying I agree with what he did, but I understand why he did it. > > Tweed Precisely... But OTOH, I take your point too John. Any death caused by an errant owner with a shot gun, Is one too many deaths. I think that the point I was trying to convey, is that it is sad to think that it is easier to buy a shot gun on the streets of any of our cities, than it is to find tax free cigarettes brought over the English Channel, & sold via eBay on the Internet..!!! ( not that, that is right either, but the principle of the matter is relative..) I certainly didn't intend to cause an argument, I just wanted to say that the issue is a sad one. S;o) > On 13 Mar, 19:32, "Christina Websell" > <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > I only brought the subject up because Matthew was telling us how bad > things were around where he resides. No it is where I have business at and other places in the State where I have to go to sometimes. And down here now we have the "cowboy" law if you threaten me and I feel my life is in danger. I don't have to retreat anymore as before. I have a right to confront you put a bullet between your eye if you endanger my life or the life of others. And also now the "castle" law is in full effect if you enter my home you are now considered armed and dangerous I have a right to put one between your eyes even if you are retreating from my home. I hope I never have to use my weapon but I also carry non lethal defensive weapons also but I have used them a few times including pepper spraying a bum the other night when he would not back off when I refused to give him change. > My most memorable opinion when it all transpired, was that he was > somewhat of a recluse, & that "personally", IMHO, I felt that it was a [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > that the issue is a sad one. > S;o) > http://www.theindychannel.com/family/11153900/detail.html Actually, should be "Why one should never list the price of the animal in a newspaper ad". And as others have pointed out, without proper papers the puppies aren't worth $2500. Sad times we live in, though, isn't it? Jill |
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