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Religious door to door callers are dense....
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Helen Miles - 17 Feb 2007 12:12 GMT This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a BIG sign on my front door that says
"No salespeople, NO religious callers, NO political canvasing. Official callers must have ID."
To me, that is perfectly clear. I don't like to be disturbed by people I am not expecting as it disrupts the cats and it invades my privacy.
JW's just don't get the hint though. Apparently they are immune to signs telling them to get lost. So, the doorbell goes at 8am this morning (a saturday), and I get up and answer it because it might have been my elderly neighbour needing help, which I don't mind at all. BUT, it was a pair of bloody JW's!!!
As I pointed out that I REALLY wasn't interested, and by the way they should learn to read, Miss Lily Whiskers slipped out between my legs and into my front garden. The cats are absolutely not allowed out of the front door because I live on what can be a busy road at times as it is used as a rat-run in rush hour. That would have usually been fine as she's done it once before and I normally just pick her up. But this time, the JW's spooked her and she ran into the street. Fortunately she was missed by the car coming up the street at the time, but it scared her badly and she is now really spooked.
To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate morons though. ;o)
Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)
Adrian A - 17 Feb 2007 13:08 GMT <snip>
> To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate > morons though. ;o) > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) It sounds to me like you showed great restraint, if Miss Lily Whiskers had been hurt I'm sure you wouldn't think you might have gone a bit over board.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:22 GMT > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It sounds to me like you showed great restraint, if Miss Lily Whiskers had > been hurt I'm sure you wouldn't think you might have gone a bit over board. IMO, in that case she'd have been justified in throwing THEM in front of a passing car!
Marina - 17 Feb 2007 14:15 GMT > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate > morons though. ;o) > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) Oh, so am I! I share your views on this sort of callers. Luckily we don't get door-to-door political canvasing here. We have a parliamentary election coming up in March, so that would mean constant doorbell-ringing. Actually, buzzer-ringing, then doorbell-ringing. :P
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Enfilade - 17 Feb 2007 14:42 GMT > > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I > > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate > > morons though. ;o) One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs that, they don't come back.
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Ted Davis - 17 Feb 2007 16:36 GMT >> > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I >> > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate >> > morons though. ;o) > >One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs >that, they don't come back. It is curious that they think they have the right to force you to listen to - and accept - their twist on religion, they also think you have no right even to suggest that they listen to yours.
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Yowie - 17 Feb 2007 21:45 GMT >> > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I >> > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate >> > morons though. ;o) > > One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs > that, they don't come back. Saying that you are Catholic has the same effect. In my particular case, I mean 'catholic' with a small 'c', but that difference isn't enunciated :-).
(Joel and Cary are - officially at least - Catholic with a big C)
Yowie
Mark Edwards - 17 Feb 2007 21:58 GMT [snips]
>(Joel and Cary are - officially at least - Catholic with a big C) And we can assume that Schmog and Fluffy are Hedonists? (Big grin).
Hugs and Purrs, Mark
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Yowie - 20 Feb 2007 00:42 GMT > [snips] > > >(Joel and Cary are - officially at least - Catholic with a big C) > > And we can assume that Schmog and Fluffy are Hedonists? (Big grin). Shmoggists, for sure :-)
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:23 GMT >>>To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I >>>think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate >>>morons though. ;o) > > One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs > that, they don't come back. Really? I should have thought that would be even MORE incentive to try to convert you!
> --Fil Smokie Darling (Annie) - 18 Feb 2007 15:40 GMT > > > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I > > > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > --Fil Lucky you. We've tried LDS (Mormon), Satanic, Non-Believer (Atheist/ Agnostic), etc... They seem to think it's a challenge here.
Helen, glad to hear that Miss Lily was alright, if spooked.
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 15:05 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > > JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a > BIG sign on my front door that says I'm always torn between "having a go with them" and telling them politely to please leave. Since I moved to New York (doorman building) I haven't been bothered by JWs but before that they came regularly.
Here, however, we have Jews for Jesus (one meets them in the street or subway stations), and I find them really quite amusing. They always think they know more about Jesus than I do until I tell them I was raised Catholic but am now recovering, etc. etc. and I have fun dodging or returning their comments. For some reason I feel these kids (because that's what they are, usually) mean well, as opposed to the proselytizers who used to knock on my door and try to come inside to "save me" from myself.
I suppose if it were to happen now, I could introduce them to Ketzl, my familiar. :-)
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wafflycat - 17 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT >> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I suppose if it were to happen now, I could introduce them to Ketzl, my > familiar. :-) In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from a group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My offspring, in his subtle manner keeps muttering about going to one of their meetings dressed in a Flying Spaghetti Monster outfit and handing out some of these...
http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/sk_brochure.pdf
and these...
http://www.venganza.org/materials/flyers/
I like his style ;-)
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:26 GMT > In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from a > group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I like his style ;-) STILL LAUGHING!!! I WANT ONE OF EACH T-SHIRT and POSTER! ROTFLMAO.
(And, even though I'm Italian, I'm not offended in the least; just the opposite. Pasta RULES!)
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Mark Edwards - 17 Feb 2007 21:46 GMT [snip intrusive JWs]
> My offspring, in his subtle manner keeps muttering about > going to one of their meetings dressed in a Flying [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I like his style ;-) There is also The Church of Absolute Zero (sorry, no url handy - I'm at a Chinese restaurant at the moment), which "brochure" starts out with "Is Nothing sacred?"
Hugs and Purrs, Mark
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Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:58 GMT > [snip intrusive JWs] > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Hugs and Purrs, > Mark Spare ribs, please.
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Baha - 18 Feb 2007 01:58 GMT I usually tell JW's and those of such ilk that I am the Pope, Admissions Committee, and Membership Body of The First Church of Liz, Reformed. That or just borrow from the Subgenius and say May Slack Be With You.
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>[snip intrusive JWs] > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Hugs and Purrs, >Mark Marina - 18 Feb 2007 04:43 GMT > In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from > a group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I like his style ;-) ROFL ROFL ROFL!
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Pat - 20 Feb 2007 07:51 GMT | In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from a | group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | | I like his style ;-) The FSM on ebay:
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Magic Mood Jeep© - 17 Feb 2007 15:27 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that state "No Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund collections or religious recruiters), and they don't leave when asked, they can be arrested - or escorted off the premised by police at any rate.
Answer the door with a cordless (or cell) phone in hand, and as soon as you find out it's a JW (or whatever), start dialing the authorities with one hand and pointing to the sign with the other. If they don't get the hint, shut the door and let the authorities deal with them.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT > Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that state "No > Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund collections or > religious recruiters), and they don't leave when asked, they can be > arrested - or escorted off the premised by police at any rate. I get the impression that some of them think "solicitation" only means prostitution! ;-)
H. Adam Stevens - 18 Feb 2007 13:15 GMT Just come to the door looking like this: http://www.fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/470.jpg
>> Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that state >> "No Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund collections or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I get the impression that some of them think "solicitation" only means > prostitution! ;-) jmcquown - 19 Feb 2007 19:43 GMT > Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that > state "No Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund > collections or religious recruiters), and they don't leave when > asked, they can be arrested - or escorted off the premised by police > at any rate. There are signs clearly posted in "Persia's" apartment complex (all over the place) which say solicitation (by anyone) must be cleared by management and they must present a permit from the office in order to do so. It doesn't stop the dudes who try to sell magazines to (allegedly) pay for their college education or for a school trip or whatever. I have nothing at *all* against education, I'm all for it! But I'm not going to buy magazines from some guy knocking on my door and not candy and not religion, either.
Jill
Pat - 17 Feb 2007 16:40 GMT | JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a | BIG sign on my front door that says [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | | Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) I hope you told them not to come back, too?
Around here there don't seem to be any JWs but we do have young Mormons going door-to-door. They are very polite and won't keep coming back after you manage to drive them off, and that is hard to do politely. I finally figured out what it takes, you only need to make an appointment for them to explain their fable to you, and then let your attention wander while they are telling it. Or stand up and look at a rabbit, point at it and say, "Where do you think it lives?"
I've learned to always peek out the window to see who is on the porch before opening the door.
mlbriggs - 17 Feb 2007 17:01 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) Suggestion: If you can perhaps a screen door would serve you well. MLB
wafflycat - 17 Feb 2007 17:32 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... I am reminded of the story that appeared in the press some time ago. I'm going from the memory amoeba in my brain and it's not 100% effective, so this may not be entirely correct..
Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own back. She started interrupting their meetings. She did not join in the meetings, she interrupted them to start talking about stuff she was interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint ;-)
Helen Miles - 17 Feb 2007 18:02 GMT > Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house > despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own > back. She started interrupting their meetings. She did not join in the > meetings, she interrupted them to start talking about stuff she was > interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint/// I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an entry I posted in my diary at the time...
Tonight, the door bell went whilst I was chowing down on some Ben and Jerry's Phish Food ice cream straight out of the rather large tub (ultimate comfort food), dressed in my "DSS" green tracksuit bottoms and t-shirt with bleach stains after going for a run. I answered it. More fool me. Stood at the door were 2 brain-washed cretins in smart shirts with their little badges. Bless. I do so love the "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". NOT.
I can do beligerent very well when I feel like it, and I've had a pretty shitty day.
"Can I help you?" I said, leaning against the door and shoving a spoonfull of ice-cream in my mouth. "We're spreading the word of Christ" they said. "Are you? That's nice." I said. "Do you believe in the Lord God?" they said. "Not yours. Why?" I said, shoving more ice cream in my mouth.
They then started off on some blurb about some crap and I tuned out. After they rambled for a bit and started discussing the merits of why we were in Iraq and Afghanistan and them not leaving, despite my asking them twice to get out of my front porch, I went nuts. I *think* I told them to get a clue from a clue bus, preferably by them being run over by said bus, and that being a soldier of Christ was for the brain washed religious fundamentalist moronic masses.
In reality I have no idea what I said as I was so wound up. Mary my neighbour had come to her door to see what all my yelling was about and arrived just as I had thrown melted chocolate & toffee ice cream all over their very nice smartly pressed clean shirts. Bless her, she did try to clean them up, but a grubby gardening glove is not really the implement for the job. Next time they'll get the water treatment.
To be fair, they did do the job they set out to do. They made me feel an awful lot better and significantly improved my day. Just not in the way they originally envisaged.
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Did I mention I hate religious callers? ;o)
Helen M
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 18:19 GMT > I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an > entry I posted in my diary at the time... <snip>
> To be fair, they did do the job they set out to do. They made me feel an > awful lot better and significantly improved my day. Just not in the way > they originally envisaged Halleluijah! Another one saved. :-)
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Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 19:14 GMT > > Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house > > despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Helen M Being the recluse that I am, I hate *any* kind of uninvited callers, except family or friends. I do not want the answer the damn doorbell and find an Avon Lady, a Schwann salesman, a vacuum salesman, a storm- window salesman, a Mormon, a JW (or any other denomination. If I was unsatisfied with my own faith, I'd seek them out. If I wanted a vacuum cleaner, I'd shop for one. We used to be quite hospitable to anyone at the door. We got older, and DH got pretty good at being surly and cranky when he wants to. I think we have that right.
Sherry
Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 21:09 GMT "Sherry" <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message Being the recluse that I am, I hate *any* kind of uninvited callers, except family or friends. I do not want the answer the damn doorbell and find an Avon Lady, a Schwann salesman, a vacuum salesman, a storm- window salesman, a Mormon, a JW (or any other denomination. If I was unsatisfied with my own faith, I'd seek them out. If I wanted a vacuum cleaner, I'd shop for one. We used to be quite hospitable to anyone at the door. We got older, and DH got pretty good at being surly and cranky when he wants to. I think we have that right.
Sherry
As you might imagine, I think I was born doing surly and cranky when necessary. It has taken a while to train Charlie, but he started getting a clue after he retired and learned people will interupt you on the phone and at the door all hours of the day and evening, seven days a week.
It usually works to say "I'm not interested. Do not call/come back again" The part I hard trouble teaching him was that you do not them politely wait for their reply. They aren't going to apologize for bothering you and turn away or hang up. By the time you have finished telling them to leave you alone the door should be already closed or the phone hung up.
Jo
Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 21:25 GMT > "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jo Oh, you're right about that. The never apologize for disrupting dinner, or interrupting you or anything else. Neither do telemarketers. They're too busy formulating a come-back to keep you listening. I got into a very heated exchange with somebody collecting donations for breast cancer research. She was just flat rude. I don't care how worthwhile the cause is, you can't give money to every organization that calls.
Sherry
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:56 GMT > I got into a very heated exchange with somebody collecting > donations for breast cancer research. She was just flat rude. I don't > care how worthwhile the cause is, you can't give money to every > organization that calls. Whenever anyone headed toward Rude Territory, I would press a button on my phone's dial pad and say, "Ok, I need to record this conversation, to be sure of the facts after we hang up. Let's start with you identifying yourself by name, first name only if you prefer, and the name of the organization you represent."
They usually calmed down after that.
But hey, don't you have your phone numbers registered with Do Not Call (at least in the US)? I never get those calls anymore.
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Magic Mood Jeep© - 17 Feb 2007 23:40 GMT >> I got into a very heated exchange with somebody collecting >> donations for breast cancer research. She was just flat rude. I don't [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > But hey, don't you have your phone numbers registered with Do Not > Call (at least in the US)? I never get those calls anymore. The only calls we get are from political organizations wanting donations. One was *very* insistant on us giving money - even though I repeatedly told him that we couldn't afford to right now, as our cat was sick and been at the vets for over a week, and the bill would be enormous (no cat really sick, but you never know - we like to keep a bit of money on hand just in case this would happen).
The guy kept repeating "You don't want Hillary to end up in the oval office, do you?".
I replied, "No (sorry - I'm a Clinton-o-phobe :D), and if you're so concerned, you'd better get off the phone with me and try and drum up a candidate that can beat her at the polls."
That ended the conversation.
Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 19:17 GMT > I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an > entry I posted in my diary at the time> > Helen M Heh. We used to live practically next door to a Mormon stake center. The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible to be rude to them. Luckily you could spot them a mile away; they had this cookie-cutter look; and I'd just not answer the door. That's rudeness of another form, but if you ever let them in, you couldn't get rid of them.
Sherry
Bill Stock - 17 Feb 2007 21:04 GMT >> I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an >> entry I posted in my diary at the time> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry I had a professor who let some JWs in and then excused himself. He's not sure how low they stayed before letting themselves out. :-)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Feb 2007 21:09 GMT > The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just > young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible > to be rude to them. Luckily you could spot them a mile away; they had > this cookie-cutter look; and I'd just not answer the door. That's > rudeness of another form, but if you ever let them in, you couldn't > get rid of them. I don't agree that it's rude not to answer the door. Why are you obligated to do that? They're the ones invading your privacy. I don't think that makes them entitled to an open door.
I never get religious people at my door, but I do get the kids selling candy to send someone to college, etc. I always feel bad saying no to them, but (1) I don't really know if any given child trying to sell me candy is legit, and (2) I really don't need a box full of sugar in my house!
Joyce
Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 21:19 GMT On Feb 17, 3:09�pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> > The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just > > young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joyce Oh, I used to be a real sucker for any candy-hawking kid, and I don't even like candy much. One time I said, "So, Sugar, who are you selling for? Your school? Your church?" And this precious little freckle-faced girl looked up at me and said, "A private individual." Ha! It wasn't so hard after that to say "no." Apparently regular people sometimes just enlist the neighborhood kids to sell candy and pocket the profits.
Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Feb 2007 21:35 GMT >> I never get religious people at my door, but I do get the kids selling >> candy to send someone to college, etc. I always feel bad saying no to >> them, but (1) I don't really know if any given child trying to sell me >> candy is legit, and (2) I really don't need a box full of sugar in my >> house!
> Oh, I used to be a real sucker for any candy-hawking kid, and I don't > even like candy much. One time I said, "So, Sugar, who are you selling [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people sometimes just enlist the neighborhood kids to sell candy and > pocket the profits. Exactly! You really don't know who they're working for. I prefer to give money to organizations that I choose and seek out myself.
Joyce
Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT > > The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just > > young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > candy is legit, and (2) I really don't need a box full of sugar in my > house! I don't have a problem with children I recognize from the neighborhood selling things for school fund raising. I just feel sorry for them and think door to door sales by children are a very bad idea.
I do have a problem with older kids I've seen going door to door selling candy etc at an inflated price to raise money for "college" etc.
They aren't local kids. They are driven around in groups by adults and dropped off in neighborhoods to make sales. Far too often then are a long way away from home and are expected to "earn their keep" ie motel rooms and food before they get any money and are pretty much trapped in the business.
While I feel terrible for them, I'm also somewhat afraid of them and the groups they travel around in. And I never buy anything from them. I figure anything they sell just encourages the practice to continue and gets more kids involved.
Note: Watch out for job interviews being held in motel rooms targeted at kids that are eighteen, but barely.
Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT > Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house > despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own > back. She started interrupting their meetings. She did not join in the > meetings, she interrupted them to start talking about stuff she was > interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint > ;-) That is brilliant! And hysterical. But did the people in the meetings connect her to the person at such-and-such address? Sounds like it from the story, but I don't understand how they managed that.
Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:30 GMT >> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > was interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the > hint ;-) She was lucky it didn't get her arrested! (JW's seem to be singularly devoid of humour.)
Baha - 18 Feb 2007 02:00 GMT And I am reminded of an episode of that most sacred of broadcasts, The Nanny, where Sylvia says she once went naked to the apartmetn door to surprise her husband...
"But in the meantime ya nevah saw anothah Jehovah's Witness in our building again!"
Shalom, Baha
>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint >;-) Stormmee - 17 Feb 2007 19:14 GMT My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road that is gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few miles, their driveway is 1/3 mile long, My father has a gate at the beginning, he tried to be polite, he closed the gate, they opened it, he put up a sign, they ignored it, he locked the gate, they climbed over it... we were discussing this one day, after the tenth visit... my dad says... next time they knock I am answering the door naked... gonna invite them in for more than coffee... my mom is saying no you're not... a few months later I ask him how it was going... He smiles and says, they haven't been back since their last visit a month ago... I say why... Daddy says that doesn't matter but I am sure they won't be back, Lee
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Adrian A - 17 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT > My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road > that is gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > month ago... I say why... Daddy says that doesn't matter but I am > sure they won't be back, Lee I'll have to remember that one, thanks for the tip. ;o)
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Stormmee - 17 Feb 2007 21:05 GMT and if you knew my dad I can't even begin to imagine, what he really did, I figured out after becoming an adult, he has a wicked sense of humor, and I refuse to even contemplate what he invited him in for, but whatever it was they haven't been back for several years now, Lee
> > My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road > > that is gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Cats leave pawprints on your heart. > http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk Pat - 17 Feb 2007 22:34 GMT | My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road that is | gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few miles, their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | a month ago... I say why... Daddy says that doesn't matter but I am sure | they won't be back, Lee This story reminds me of what my buddy David and I did to some Mormon missionaries in Flagstaff. We were visiting a friend and had parked near his house and when we left headed toward the car - my minivan - we saw them headed down the block toward us. So we got into the back of the van, opened the screened back windows, pulled the curtains, and started making noise and jumping around to make the van shake, rattle and roll as they walked by!
Baha - 18 Feb 2007 02:05 GMT Louie knew I was an ex-Mormon before we were married, but knew nothing of how they go about proselytising or other such things, so one day he flipped his turban when a couple LDS missionaries came and introduced themselves as my "home teachers." Louie came running in saying the Mormons were demanding to move in and get room and board like British soldiers before the Revolution! I had a hard time explaining that I was still considered a member, my name was still on the rolls for some reason, and all "home teacher" meant was a male member assigned another member for monthly instruction.
They stopped coming around after they came and saw the both us us wearing our kirpans (the ceremonial daggers required of devout Sikhs.)
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>| My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road that is >| gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few miles, their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the screened back windows, pulled the curtains, and started making noise and >jumping around to make the van shake, rattle and roll as they walked by! mlbriggs - 17 Feb 2007 20:08 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) Why don't you just ask them to Purr for those who need it?
Shiral - 17 Feb 2007 20:35 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server -http://www.Mailgate.ORG Whew! I'm glad Miss Lily Whiskers is okay! MUCH too close a call. I don't blame you for giving those dead brains the rough edge of your tongue.
I had a pair of JW's come to my door years ago ALSO earlier than I cared to rise on a Saturday morning, and I told them flat out "No I'm really not interested, I'm perfectly happy with the religion I already follow." I happen to be agnostic, but I wasn't about to get into that with a JW.
"Well if you discuss it with me, I think you'll find MY religion is highly compatible with yours, already."
Me: (Smiling while already easing the door closed.) "Oh I REALLY doubt that!" Close door, click deadbolt shut. They haven't bothered me since, I'm glad to say.
I tend to get more Mormons, around here. The most recent of whom came in search of my neighbor who had recently been evicted. I told them the rental office might have information about where she had gone, but that I didn't, as she and I rarely ever talked. One guy asked "May we come in?" while already coming up my front steps. I stood in the doorway, smiled and said "No" very firmly and without qualifying it in any way. The guy stopped, looking bewildered and as I didn't change my stance, they left.
As Dave Barry points out, people who 'want to share their religion with you' almost NEVER want you to share yours with them. I don't give those people any more time than it takes to say "No thank you, I'm really not interested." It's one thing if a person goes to a church and says "I'm interested in joining you, could you tell me a little more about your denomination?" and assuming that your religion is superior to your next door neighbors' and nagging them to change.
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Cheryl Perkins - 17 Feb 2007 21:08 GMT I must say, I've never had much trouble with religious callers. I just usually say something vague about having my own religion, accept leaflets if they're pushed in my hand and move on.
I don't really get them at the door much - or I don't know if I do - because I don't have a doorbell and mostly don't hear people knocking, especially if I'm in the back away from the front door. When I moved in, I thought "No doorbell!! I really must buy one." but as time passed, I began to see the advantages of not having one.
I must have a bit of a weird reputation, though, because I also live on a very busy street and don't want the cats out. My way of dealing with it is to open the door a mere crack like the stereotypical paranoid old bat who thinks everyone who comes to the door must be a burglar.
Politicians seem to be better that religion enthusiasts at really hammering at the door loudly enough to catch my attention, especially in the run-up to a close election. And I hate chatting with politicians on my doorstep or on the phone. Especially on the phone. It's harder to ignore the phone.
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pmendhall - 18 Feb 2007 02:04 GMT We have a similar way of dealing with the door to door callers. Our doorbell broke and needs to be replaced. I have thought several times that I need to replace the doorbell, but after seeing all the "odd" folks who come knocking, I'm not sure I'm going to. They ring the bell, which of course doesn't ring, and finally go away.
Diane
> I don't really get them at the door much - or I don't know if I do - > because I don't have a doorbell and mostly don't hear people knocking, > especially if I'm in the back away from the front door. When I moved in, I > thought "No doorbell!! I really must buy one." but as time passed, I began > to see the advantages of not having one. Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 20:59 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) You were at least as polite as the situation required. That is pretty much how my Rosie was killed. Granted we didn't have a sign and my husbands nit wit friend who came to the door making a racket didn't mean any harm. He was here early to help Charlie with some tree trimming. Opened the door and hollered. Rosie took off at a dead run. Across the street, over the fence and into guard dog territory.
JW's usually come round on Saturday mornings. I can't imagine they get very warm receptions many places.
Jo
Yowie - 17 Feb 2007 21:39 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate > morons though. ;o) Write to the local Kingdom Hall and point out that by knocking on your door they a) broke the law by trespassing, when a sign clearly said they were not allowed on the property and b) were therefore making themselve totally liable for anything that may have happened to your cat since it was their *illegal* visit that caused her to escape.
Demand that your address be removed from their list, and that any further uninvited Jehovah's Witnesses will be treated as both harassment and trespassing and the police will be called. Include a photo of the sign at your door and a description of the people who ignored it.
And *phew*, glad Miss Lily Whiskers was OK!
I do have to defend some individual JW's though. An elderly gentleman knocked on my door at about 8am on a Saturday morning, and I answered the door with the mother of all flus. He took one look at me and said "Are you alright? Can I call someone? Is there anything I can do?" After I grunted "no", he apologised for disturbing me and said "I hope you feel better soon. I'll pray for you", and went on his way.
That incident made me realise that my assumptions about *all* JWs was wrong.
Yowie
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:59 GMT > I do have to defend some individual JW's though. An elderly gentleman > knocked on my door at about 8am on a Saturday morning, and I answered the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yowie You softie! Amateur! Don't you see: He just didn't want your cooties. He'll be ba-ack! :-)
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Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT >> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Yowie Oh, the few I know personally are very nice people. I have no problem with them or their beliefs. And they usually go away if you ask them to. Its the ones who don't I have a big problem with.
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wafflycat - 18 Feb 2007 09:57 GMT > Oh, the few I know personally are very nice people. I have no problem > with them or their beliefs. And they usually go away if you ask them to. > Its the ones who don't I have a big problem with. > > Jo Aye. I know many a lovely, kind, open, honest, caring religious person of differing faiths. But they don't seek to ram their faith down my throat at any and every opportunity. The advertise their faith by quietly getting on and living their lives as demonstrations of their faith and by being kind to others, not by stuffing my hands full of leaflets and shouting in the streets or by saying that unless I believe their way, I'm going to roast in hellfire for all eternity. Their lives are their advert, and good ones at that.
On the other hand, I have huge dislike of those who are evangelical and *insist* on telling me how much they want to save me and how I must 'open my life to [insert name of deity of choice]' and unless I do, I'm a bad person who is damned etc., etc.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:20 GMT > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate > morons though. ;o) Well, if they can't read your sign, they probably ARE illiterate morons! I strongly object to anyone "peddling" their religion door-to-door, and make no bones about simply saying "not interested" and closing the door in their faces. (To me, religion is a deeply personal matter, which I do not choose to discuss with some idiot who invades my privacy to do so, uninvited.)
Where I live now, my door opens directly to the outdoors, Melisande is an accomplished escape artist, and while I was dealing with an importunate magazine salesman (seeking to win a prize trip from Arizona to London) she slipped out and spent a very cold night outside! I didn't think there was enough room for the cats to get out, with the chain on the door, but she obviously managed it, and I didn't notice until she didn't come running at suppertime (at which point she was nowhere in sight and ignored my calling her).
I am equally rude when I am ill-advised enough to answer my telephone without waiting for the machine to screen the call! I have both my regular phone and my cell-phone registered on the National Do Not Call List, but there are so many exemptions to that: If you've bought something from a company by telephone or over the internet, they are free to call you. If you are registered to vote, the political party of your choice can call you as often as they like. Charitable organizations have no restrictions placed upon them - whether or not you have ever been a donor, they can still call you.
Matthew - 17 Feb 2007 23:20 GMT Helen do this next time they come to the door. Tell them you will listen to them if they can answer this question. The question is If Adam and eve bore 2 son and they took wives. Who did they marry when there were only 4 people alive at that time. Tell them answer this if not leave and don't not come back till they can answer it and close the door. I love screwing with bible thumpers. I have a sign almost similar to yours except I call the law on them since I have quite a few other signs that say no trespassing under penalty of law
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) Jack Campin - bogus address - 18 Feb 2007 01:14 GMT > JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have > a BIG sign on my front door that says > "No salespeople, NO religious callers, NO political canvasing. Official > callers must have ID." [...] > JW's just don't get the hint though. Apparently they are immune to signs > telling them to get lost. People like to believe this, but they have always had a policy that they will not call on people who don't want them to.
Have you tried simply saying "don't visit me, please"?
I have no time for their belief system, but their adherents are as friendly and sincere a bunch of people as I've ever met.
(You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of fascist psycho thugs).
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Helen Miles - 18 Feb 2007 10:28 GMT > People like to believe this, but they have always had a policy that > they will not call on people who don't want them to. > > Have you tried simply saying "don't visit me, please"?//// Yes, and to be fair, the same ones never come twice. :) I'm usually very polite, but this time Lily was in danger because of their visit, and the time I threw icecream over them it was they day that my brother had been in a firefight in Afghanistan, 2 marines were killed in his patrol and I hadn't heard whether he was alive or not. I didn't appreciate a moralistic rant of why God thought the Afghanistan war was a bad thing.
Usually they just bugger off when I tell them politely I'm not interested.
> I have no time for their belief system, but their adherents are as > friendly and sincere a bunch of people as I've ever met.
> (You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of > fascist psycho thugs). Mormons are a whole different breed. And very scary because of their level of brainwashing within the organisation.
Helen M
Christina Websell - 19 Feb 2007 23:40 GMT > (You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of > fascist psycho thugs). I have to take issue with this opinion. A lot of my family are Mormons, although I am not myself. A nicer bunch of people you couldn't meet.
Tweed
> ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk > ============== [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 > 557 Sherry - 19 Feb 2007 23:53 GMT On Feb 19, 5:40�pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > (You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of > > fascist psycho thugs). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tweed Well, I kind of take issue with it also; as I said in my post the young Mormon missionaries were so nice it made it impossible to be rude to them. Persistent, but very polite, always.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 20:53 GMT >>(You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of >>fascist psycho thugs). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tweed You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you? However we may feel about door-to-door proselytizing, most of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess. (They may not approve of homosexuality, but they certainly don't engage in hatemongering - about that or anything else!)
>>============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk >>============== [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 >>557 Adrian A - 20 Feb 2007 21:15 GMT > You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you? > However we may feel about door-to-door proselytizing, most > of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess. > (They may not approve of homosexuality, but they certainly > don't engage in hatemongering - about that or anything else!) You seem very quick to call people trolls even when they have posted many times about their cats.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 21:38 GMT >>You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you? >>However we may feel about door-to-door proselytizing, most [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You seem very quick to call people trolls even when they have posted many > times about their cats. I consider the content! (When it appears to be from a long-term, civilized poster, I simply assume someone has forged his/her name.)
Debbie Wilson - 20 Feb 2007 21:21 GMT > You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you? Tweed responded, but Jack's certainly not an 'idiot troll', and no doubt he has his own reasons for saying what he did....
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Ketzl's Dad - 20 Feb 2007 21:23 GMT > most > of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess. Thank you for speaking on behalf of most of us.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 21:42 GMT >>most >>of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess. > > Thank you for speaking on behalf of most of us. Does that mean you don't agree? (Sometimes it's difficult to determine whether a remark is genuine or intended as sarcasm.) I've been posting to this group for several years, and what I said seems true for most of the posts I've read here.
Ketzl's Dad - 20 Feb 2007 22:03 GMT >>> most >>> of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > years, and what I said seems true for most of the posts I've > read here. The term "family values", as is has evolved -- or devolved, a better description -- has become symbolic to me of bigoted narrow-minded bible-thumping zealots.
It's not the values I deplore: it's the bigotry inherent in the term.
Beyond that, I'm always leery or anyone who speaks on behalf of "most of us."
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Feb 2007 22:23 GMT >>> Thank you for speaking on behalf of most of us. >> >> Does that mean you don't agree? (Sometimes it's difficult >> to determine whether a remark is genuine or intended as >> sarcasm.)
> The term "family values", as is has evolved -- or devolved, a better > description -- has become symbolic to me of bigoted narrow-minded > bible-thumping zealots.
> It's not the values I deplore: it's the bigotry inherent in the term. What I don't like about this phrase - aside from its usage as a euphemism for "keep out the homosexshuls" - is the idea that everyone wants to, or *should* want to, live in a family. Also, at least to me, the actual meaning of the phrase is rather vague. What exactly *are* family values, anyway?
I do realize that the majority of people want families, and that's fine. But some of us are not interested in that aspect of life - does that mean we're suspect, somehow? Does not having any interest in raising kids, or being married, mean you're somehow dangerous to society? Do people think we're perverts who have drugged-out orgies or something? (Or, perhaps, who have drugged-out orgies at inappropriate times or places? :))
Maybe what people are trying to get at when they use that phrase - other than the ones who use it to refer to their hatred and bigotry - is a sense of, maybe, civility, commitment to one's community, respect for other human beings and for the needs of children? Single people, and couples without kids, can certainly have those values, too.
So, if anyone cares to, I'd like to hear a definition of "family values". What does it mean to you? What values are included? What values, behaviors, attitudes, etc, are *not* included?
Thanks, Joyce
Ketzl's Dad - 20 Feb 2007 23:01 GMT > Maybe what people are trying to get at when they use that phrase - other > than the ones who use it to refer to their hatred and bigotry - is a sense [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What does it mean to you? What values are included? What values, behaviors, > attitudes, etc, are *not* included? You hit the nail on the head as far as my definition: your first paragraph above: civility, commitment to one's community, respect.
That's R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
Ain't got nothing to do with bible study. In my opinion, you either take the bible in its entirety or you allow for others to "selectively interpret" its teachings too.
Anyway, the bible is only one source for inspiration among many.
And no xenophobes need apply.
I apologize for being so OT.
Just my opinion. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. I *have* my bag of goods, and I'm happy with it.
(Oh, and thanks for asking! :-)
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Feb 2007 21:37 GMT > > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > meaning of the phrase is rather vague. What exactly *are* family values, > anyway? When I used the term to refer to Mormons, I certainly didn't mean anything derogatory! Unlike the fanatics who pay lip-service to the idea, most of the Mormons I've known have a genuine sense of "family" in the true meaning of the word. They care for each other's well-being, support each other's efforts, help each other when they need help, and try to treat all their friends and acquaintances with the same consideration (as though they were all one family).
I realize some of the people here did not experience close relationships with their own families (indeed some of you were even abused as children). However, to many of us "family" still means the people we can turn to in need, who will help us, no questions asked. A haven where we are guaranteed acceptance, without fear of being turned away because they disapprove of some of our actions. THAT'S what I think of as true "family values".
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Feb 2007 22:00 GMT > When I used the term to refer to Mormons, I certainly didn't > mean anything derogatory! Unlike the fanatics who pay > lip-service to the idea, most of the Mormons I've known have > a genuine sense of "family" in the true meaning of the word. I know the term is not used in a derogatory way, unless someone is referring to its use as a disguise for various sorts of bigotry. (Not just anti-gay, although that seems to be the primary motive.)
> I realize some of the people here did not experience close > relationships with their own families (indeed some of you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > because they disapprove of some of our actions. THAT'S what > I think of as true "family values". That's really lovely - you're lucky! Unfortunately, I have to count myself among the people who did not experience unconditional love from my family, and did experience abuse. It's not all bad, and I do get along with my immediate family, mostly, but I wouldn't turn to them in times of trouble.
Well, actually, I did borrow some money from my sister last year when I was broke. On the other hand, I borrowed a much larger sum from a good friend, and another good friend *gave* me a much larger amount, even though I think my sister is better off than they are. So while my sister was certainly there for me, I would still turn to my friends first. And I would definitely not go to my family for emotional support.
Actually, I don't know anyone who goes to their parents, siblings or other relatives for emotional support. But maybe that's because people with similar experiences and backgrounds gravitate toward each other, so I ended up with a bunch of friends who all have problematic family relationships.
Anyway, I think you have a good point here. I obviously have a much more negative connotation to the word "family" than you and perhaps other lucky individuals do.
Joyce
Jo Firey - 22 Feb 2007 00:41 GMT > Actually, I don't know anyone who goes to their parents, siblings or > other relatives for emotional support. But maybe that's because people [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > more negative connotation to the word "family" than you and perhaps > other lucky individuals do. I think is only natural to think of our own view of the world as being the "natural" way to view the world.
And I know I have been very lucky in my family. My dad and my aunt had birthdays a few days apart. Her daughter and I still email each other on their birthdays to share how lucky we feel that they were out parents.
Before my brother died, we called each other often since we lived on opposite coasts. Some days when things were going a bit rough here, I'd call and tell him I just needed to talk to someone that I knew loved me and wasn't currently upset with me.
My sister and I are still close. I can't wait to spend a week with her in May.
And I dearly love my remaining aunt. She is the only one left now that was "there when I was born". And yes we still share our problems and turn to each other for emotional support.
Jo
Jane - 18 Feb 2007 04:35 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > > JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a > BIG sign on my front door that says *snip*
> To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate > morons though. ;o) > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) Did you at least knock them over on your way out the door to rescue Miss Lily??
I'm sorry, I'm a born-again Christian myself, and they still drive me crazy. Fortunately I haven't had much problems with them in the past.
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Helen Miles - 18 Feb 2007 10:21 GMT > I'm sorry, I'm a born-again Christian myself, and they still drive me > crazy. Fortunately I haven't had much problems with them in the > past. > > Jane > - owned and operated by Princess Rita/// I have numerous friends with strong religious beliefs, from Judasim to Born again Christianity. The difference between them and JW's/Mormons, is that they respect the fact that I have my own set of spiritual beliefs and don't try to convert me in the same way that the majority of Christians, yourself included wouldn't. What I object to is people invading my privacy at home to try and convert me. Being welcomed into a church is one thing. Having it shoved down your throat is another. :)
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Cheryl Perkins - 18 Feb 2007 12:48 GMT > I have numerous friends with strong religious beliefs, from Judasim to > Born again Christianity. The difference between them and JW's/Mormons, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > invading my privacy at home to try and convert me. Being welcomed into a > church is one thing. Having it shoved down your throat is another. :) I just don't take it that way, although it's clear from this thread that a lot of people agree with you. I don't mind people asking me if they can talk to me with a view to converting me on the doorstep (which happens rarely) or in the street (which happen slightly more often). I don't actually get into conversations with them as a rule, since I'm not particularly interested in being converted. But simply being asked? No problem; I reply 'no, thanks', and move on.
My pet dislikes are telephone salespeople (who are, in my experience, far LESS likely to take 'No' for an answer than evangelizers are) and people - business and political - who do that thing where they leave automated messages on my answering machine. But I've dealt with them, too. I get fewer telephone sales calls due to being listed on 'do not call' lists, and refusing to give my phone number unless the business has a genuine need for it. If anyone gets through, I say 'Not interested' and hang up as soon as I've identified the person as in sales, in mid-spiel if needed. If I don't recognize the voice of the person - some of them don't identify themselves right away and try to engage you in small talk first - I say "May I ask who is speaking?" (which is mildly embarrassing when s/he turns out to be a real friend, but only mildly, because my friends know me). And I found a place on my phone company's website which gives the codes to punch in to fast forward through unwanted phone messages and delete them faster. So even those two nuisances - telephone sales and politicians - don't bother me too much any more.
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polonca12000 - 18 Feb 2007 22:11 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) How very scary! I'm so relieved to hear Miss Lily Whiskers is ok! Calming purrs and hugs, Polonca and Soncek
MaryL - 18 Feb 2007 23:49 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) This doesn't address the problem of people who "assume" they have the right to intrude. However, I have solved that problem (and, more important, the possibility of more dangerous intruders) by using a peep-hole with a very large view-point. It shows a person at full height, and I simply don't open the door if I don't recognize the person on the other side. Of course, my front door is solid wood. My "solution" would not be particularly good if you have windows in your door.
MaryL
Lesley - 19 Feb 2007 12:29 GMT >This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > >JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a >BIG sign on my front door that says To dispose of a JW (nastily) listen to them for 5 minutes nod intensly and when the times up look at your watch and say "Look I agree with quite a lot of what you're saying and I am definately interested in asking you to come back so we can talk further (watch their faces light up) but I have to go and give blood" (Watch their faces fall)
Mormons: When they ask you if you're religious, tell them you are and you practice your religion. They inevitably ask whether you're Catholic, CofE etc . Tell them nope, you're a practising Satanist- worked for me anyway
Any unwelcome callers- my friend Tasha did this. She was in the kitchen and the doorbell went so wondering who it was she went to answer it.
Two young men stood there and said "We're from the church of....." then ran for it.
She was cutting up meat for her dogs and had without thinking opened the door carrying a meat cleaver, wearing rubber gloves and bloody to the elbows!
Lesley
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Adrian A - 19 Feb 2007 14:29 GMT <snip>
> Any unwelcome callers- my friend Tasha did this. She was in the > kitchen and the doorbell went so wondering who it was she went to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the door carrying a meat cleaver, wearing rubber gloves and bloody to > the elbows! I would love to have seen that. :-)
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Ketzl's Dad - 19 Feb 2007 15:01 GMT > Two young men stood there and said "We're from the church of....." then ran > for it. > > She was cutting up meat for her dogs and had without thinking opened the door > carrying a meat cleaver, wearing rubber gloves and bloody to the elbows! LOL!!
Yet aNOTHer good reason always to have raw meat and large knife handy. Oh, and the gloves are a nice touch.
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Pat - 20 Feb 2007 08:01 GMT There's an 87-year-old woman living across the street from me who seems to think that the world turns on being able to eventually get me to attend her church. She calls at least weekly on the phone and invariably gets around to her real reason for calling. I have told her at least a dozen times that I am simply not interested but it doesn't sink in. I don't want to alienate her as a neighbor, I enjoy talking with her when she's not going on about the bible, but she gets mightily offended when I don't go along with what she says. Last time she did it, I borrowed the refrigerator-sized diamond analogy from Sam Harris and the Orbiting China Teapot idea from Bertrand Russell. I tried to be gentle and hope it worked but I might need to tell her that I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster....
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT > There's an 87-year-old woman living across the street from me who seems to > think that the world turns on being able to eventually get me to attend her [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Russell. I tried to be gentle and hope it worked but I might need to tell > her that I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.... I have a friend who every once in a while e-mails me some of her "born again Christian" literature with instructions to pass it on. My invariable responses telling her I respect her right to believe what she chooses, and wish she would return the compliment, don't seem to have much effect. In every other way, she's a good friend of many years' standing, but I DO wish she'd keep her religious views to herself!
jmcquown - 19 Feb 2007 18:00 GMT > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > JW's just don't get the hint though. Apparently they are immune to > signs telling them to get lost. (snippage)
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine) I'm relieved Miss Lily Whiskers is fine, too! I haven't seen any JW's for a while but from time to time the Baptists come to call. And they don't like to take "no" for an answer, either. But I recall one funny experience almost 10 years ago, shortly after I moved to this apartment. A father and son knocked on my door and started their spiel about why I should attend *their* Baptist church. When I could get a word in edgewise I said, "Just one problem, I'm not a BAPTIST!" I swear they were practically signals to ward off the evil eye as they backed away. They probably marked my apartment somehow, like the hobos used to do, warning everyone else away. I've not been bugged by door-to-door religious nuts since then. :D
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Sherry - 19 Feb 2007 20:09 GMT > > This is a minor rant, so bear with me... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > apartment somehow, like the hobos used to do, warning everyone else away. > I've not been bugged by door-to-door religious nuts since then. :D IME, Baptists will call (other denominations too)...when someone first moves to invite them to their church. I don't think it had anything to do with "evil eye". Usually they don't come back unless you've expressed interest in their church.
Sherry
jmcquown - 20 Feb 2007 09:48 GMT >>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me... >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Sherry It was just funny the way they literally backed up away from my door when I proclaimed I'm not a Baptist, like I'd said something very evil and they were likely to be whisked promptly to hell if they stood close to me a moment longer.
I don't think religion should be a door to door thing. It's a highly personal subject and to do so is very intrusive.
I worked with a woman who would send out bible scriptures via email to all sorts of people in the company. This included email to a highly religious Jewish man who wore a yarmulke every day. Trust me, he didn't welcome getting emails about Jesus.
There was another woman who would constantly engage another member of the department, who was a Muslim, in
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