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Religious door to door callers are dense....

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Helen Miles - 17 Feb 2007 12:12 GMT
This is a minor rant, so bear with me...

JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a
BIG sign on my front door that says

"No salespeople, NO religious callers, NO political canvasing. Official
callers must have ID."

To me, that is perfectly clear. I don't like to be disturbed by people I
am not expecting as it disrupts the cats and it invades my privacy.

JW's just don't get the hint though. Apparently they are immune to signs
telling them to get lost. So, the doorbell goes at 8am this morning (a
saturday), and I get up and answer it because it might have been my
elderly neighbour needing help, which I don't mind at all. BUT, it was a
pair of bloody JW's!!!

As I pointed out that I REALLY wasn't interested, and by the way they
should learn to read, Miss Lily Whiskers slipped out between my legs and
into my front garden. The cats are absolutely not allowed out of the
front door because I live on what can be a busy road at times as it is
used as a rat-run in rush hour. That would have usually been fine as
she's done it once before and I normally just pick her up.  But this
time, the JW's spooked her and she ran into the street. Fortunately she
was missed by the car coming up the street at the time, but it scared
her badly and she is now really spooked.

To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
morons though. ;o)

Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

 
Adrian A - 17 Feb 2007 13:08 GMT
<snip>
> To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
> think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
> morons though. ;o)
>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

It sounds to me like you showed great restraint, if Miss Lily Whiskers had
been hurt I'm sure you wouldn't think you might have gone a bit over board.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:22 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It sounds to me like you showed great restraint, if Miss Lily Whiskers had
> been hurt I'm sure you wouldn't think you might have gone a bit over board.

IMO, in that case she'd have been justified in throwing THEM
in front of a passing car!
Marina - 17 Feb 2007 14:15 GMT
> To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
> think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
> morons though. ;o)
>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

Oh, so am I! I share your views on this sort of callers. Luckily we
don't get door-to-door political canvasing here. We have a parliamentary
election coming up in March, so that would mean constant
doorbell-ringing. Actually, buzzer-ringing, then doorbell-ringing. :P

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Enfilade - 17 Feb 2007 14:42 GMT
> > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
> > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
> > morons though. ;o)

One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs
that, they don't come back.

--Fil
Ted Davis - 17 Feb 2007 16:36 GMT
>> > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
>> > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
>> > morons though. ;o)
>
>One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs
>that, they don't come back.

It is curious that they think they have the right to force you to
listen to - and accept - their twist on religion, they also think you
have no right even to suggest that they listen to yours.

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Yowie - 17 Feb 2007 21:45 GMT
>> > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
>> > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
>> > morons though. ;o)
>
> One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs
> that, they don't come back.

Saying that you are Catholic has the same effect. In my particular case, I
mean 'catholic' with a small 'c', but that difference isn't enunciated :-).

(Joel and Cary are - officially at least - Catholic with a big C)

Yowie
Mark Edwards - 17 Feb 2007 21:58 GMT
[snips]

>(Joel and Cary are - officially at least - Catholic with a big C)

And we can assume that Schmog and Fluffy are Hedonists? (Big grin).

Hugs and Purrs,
Mark
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Yowie - 20 Feb 2007 00:42 GMT
> [snips]
>
> >(Joel and Cary are - officially at least - Catholic with a big C)
>
> And we can assume that Schmog and Fluffy are Hedonists? (Big grin).

Shmoggists, for sure :-)

Yowie
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:23 GMT
>>>To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
>>>think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
>>>morons though. ;o)
>
> One of the nice things about being a witch is that if you tell JWs
> that, they don't come back.

Really?  I should have thought that would be even MORE
incentive to try to convert you!

> --Fil
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 18 Feb 2007 15:40 GMT
> > > To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
> > > think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> --Fil

Lucky you.  We've tried LDS (Mormon), Satanic, Non-Believer (Atheist/
Agnostic), etc...  They seem to think it's a challenge here.

Helen, glad to hear that Miss Lily was alright, if spooked.
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 15:05 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
> JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a
> BIG sign on my front door that says

I'm always torn between "having a go with them" and telling them politely to
please leave. Since I moved to New York (doorman building) I haven't been
bothered by JWs but before that they came regularly.

Here, however, we have Jews for Jesus (one meets them in the street or subway
stations), and I find them really quite amusing. They always think they know
more about Jesus than I do until I tell them I was raised Catholic but am now
recovering, etc. etc. and I have fun dodging or returning their comments. For
some reason I feel these kids (because that's what they are, usually) mean
well, as opposed to the proselytizers who used to knock on my door and try to
come inside to "save me" from myself.

I suppose if it were to happen now, I could introduce them to Ketzl, my
familiar. :-)

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wafflycat - 17 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT
>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> I suppose if it were to happen now, I could introduce them to Ketzl, my
> familiar. :-)

In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from a
group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My
offspring, in his subtle manner keeps muttering about going to one of their
meetings dressed in a Flying Spaghetti Monster outfit and handing out some
of these...

http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/sk_brochure.pdf

and these...

http://www.venganza.org/materials/flyers/

I like his style ;-)
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:26 GMT
> In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from a
> group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I like his style ;-)

STILL LAUGHING!!! I WANT ONE OF EACH T-SHIRT and POSTER! ROTFLMAO.

(And, even though I'm Italian, I'm not offended in the least; just the
opposite. Pasta RULES!)

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Mark Edwards - 17 Feb 2007 21:46 GMT
[snip intrusive JWs]

> My offspring, in his subtle manner keeps muttering about
> going to one of their meetings dressed in a Flying
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>I like his style ;-)

There is also The Church of Absolute Zero (sorry, no url handy - I'm at a
Chinese restaurant at the moment), which "brochure" starts out with "Is
Nothing sacred?"

Hugs and Purrs,
Mark
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Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:58 GMT
> [snip intrusive JWs]
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Hugs and Purrs,
> Mark

Spare ribs, please.

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Baha - 18 Feb 2007 01:58 GMT
I usually tell JW's and those of such ilk that I am the Pope, Admissions
Committee, and Membership Body of The First Church of Liz, Reformed. That or
just borrow from the Subgenius and say May Slack Be With You.

Blessed be,
Baha

>[snip intrusive JWs]
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Hugs and Purrs,
>Mark
Marina - 18 Feb 2007 04:43 GMT
> In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from
> a group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I like his style ;-)

ROFL ROFL ROFL!

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Pat - 20 Feb 2007 07:51 GMT
| In my neck of the woods, we get periodic leaflets through the door from a
| group that's set up locally and are the local creationist/ID nuts. My
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
|
| I like his style ;-)

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 17 Feb 2007 15:27 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that state "No
Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund collections or
religious recruiters), and they don't leave when asked, they can be
arrested - or escorted off the premised by police at any rate.

Answer the door with a cordless (or cell) phone in hand, and as soon as you
find out it's a JW (or whatever), start dialing the authorities with one
hand and pointing to the sign with the other.  If they don't get the hint,
shut the door and let the authorities deal with them.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT
> Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that state "No
> Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund collections or
> religious recruiters), and they don't leave when asked, they can be
> arrested - or escorted off the premised by police at any rate.

I get the impression that some of them think "solicitation"
only means prostitution!  ;-)
H. Adam Stevens - 18 Feb 2007 13:15 GMT
Just come to the door looking like this:
http://www.fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/470.jpg

>> Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that state
>> "No Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund collections or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I get the impression that some of them think "solicitation" only means
> prostitution!  ;-)
jmcquown - 19 Feb 2007 19:43 GMT
> Here, if you have signs posted (be it a business or a home) that
> state "No Solicitation" (that means no salespeople, charity fund
> collections or religious recruiters), and they don't leave when
> asked, they can be arrested - or escorted off the premised by police
> at any rate.

There are signs clearly posted in "Persia's" apartment complex (all over the
place) which say solicitation (by anyone) must be cleared by management and
they must present a permit from the office in order to do so.  It doesn't
stop the dudes who try to sell magazines to (allegedly) pay for their
college education or for a school trip or whatever.  I have nothing at *all*
against education, I'm all for it!  But I'm not going to buy magazines from
some guy knocking on my door and not candy and not religion, either.

Jill
Pat - 17 Feb 2007 16:40 GMT
| JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a
| BIG sign on my front door that says
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
|
| Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

I hope you told them not to come back, too?

Around here there don't seem to be any JWs but we do have young Mormons
going door-to-door. They are very polite and won't keep coming back after
you manage to drive them off, and that is hard to do politely. I finally
figured out what it takes, you only need to make an appointment for them to
explain their fable to you, and then let your attention wander while they
are telling it. Or stand up and look at a rabbit, point at it and say,
"Where do you think it lives?"

I've learned to always peek out the window to see who is on the porch before
opening the door.
mlbriggs - 17 Feb 2007 17:01 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

Suggestion:  If you can perhaps a screen door would serve you well.  MLB
wafflycat - 17 Feb 2007 17:32 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...

I am reminded of the story that appeared in the press some time ago. I'm
going from the memory amoeba in my brain and it's not 100% effective, so
this may not be entirely correct..

Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house
despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own
back. She started interrupting their meetings. She did not join in the
meetings, she interrupted them to start talking about stuff she was
interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint
;-)
Helen Miles - 17 Feb 2007 18:02 GMT
> Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house
> despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own
> back. She started interrupting their meetings. She did not join in the
> meetings, she interrupted them to start talking about stuff she was
> interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint///

I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an
entry I posted in my diary at the time...

Tonight, the door bell went whilst I was chowing down on some Ben and
Jerry's Phish Food ice cream straight out of the rather large tub
(ultimate comfort food), dressed in my "DSS" green tracksuit bottoms and
t-shirt with bleach stains after going for a run. I answered it. More
fool me. Stood at the door were 2 brain-washed cretins in smart shirts
with their little badges. Bless. I do so love the "The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints". NOT.

I can do beligerent very well when I feel like it, and I've had a pretty
shitty day.

"Can I help you?" I said, leaning against the door and shoving a
spoonfull of ice-cream in my mouth.
"We're spreading the word of Christ" they said.
"Are you? That's nice." I said.
"Do you believe in the Lord God?" they said.
"Not yours. Why?" I said, shoving more ice cream in my mouth.

They then started off on some blurb about some crap and I tuned out.
After they rambled for a bit and started discussing the merits of why we
were in Iraq and Afghanistan and them not leaving, despite my asking
them twice to get out of my front porch, I went nuts. I *think* I told
them to get a clue from a clue bus, preferably by them being run over by
said bus, and that being a soldier of Christ was for the brain washed
religious fundamentalist moronic masses.

In reality I have no idea what I said as I was so wound up. Mary my
neighbour had come to her door to see what all my yelling was about and
arrived just as I had thrown melted chocolate & toffee ice cream all
over their very nice smartly pressed clean shirts. Bless her, she did
try to clean them up, but a grubby gardening glove is not really the
implement for the job. Next time they'll get the water treatment.

To be fair, they did do the job they set out to do. They made me feel an
awful lot better and significantly improved my day. Just not in the way
they originally envisaged.

-----

Did I mention I hate religious callers? ;o)

Helen M
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 18:19 GMT
> I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an
> entry I posted in my diary at the time...

<snip>

> To be fair, they did do the job they set out to do. They made me feel an
> awful lot better and significantly improved my day. Just not in the way
> they originally envisaged

Halleluijah! Another one saved. :-)

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Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 19:14 GMT
> > Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house
> > despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> Helen M

Being the recluse that I am,  I hate *any* kind of uninvited callers,
except family or friends. I do not want the answer the damn doorbell
and find an Avon Lady, a Schwann salesman, a vacuum salesman, a storm-
window salesman, a Mormon, a JW (or any other denomination. If I was
unsatisfied with my own faith, I'd seek them out. If I wanted a vacuum
cleaner, I'd shop for one. We used to be quite hospitable to anyone at
the door. We got older, and DH got pretty good at being surly and
cranky when he wants to. I think we have that right.

Sherry
Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 21:09 GMT
"Sherry" <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message
Being the recluse that I am,  I hate *any* kind of uninvited callers,
except family or friends. I do not want the answer the damn doorbell
and find an Avon Lady, a Schwann salesman, a vacuum salesman, a storm-
window salesman, a Mormon, a JW (or any other denomination. If I was
unsatisfied with my own faith, I'd seek them out. If I wanted a vacuum
cleaner, I'd shop for one. We used to be quite hospitable to anyone at
the door. We got older, and DH got pretty good at being surly and
cranky when he wants to. I think we have that right.

Sherry

As you might imagine, I think I was born doing surly and cranky when
necessary.  It has taken a while to train Charlie, but he started getting a
clue after he retired and learned people will interupt you on the phone and
at the door all hours of the day and evening, seven days a week.

It usually works to say "I'm not interested.  Do not call/come back again"
The part I hard trouble teaching him was that you do not them politely wait
for their reply.  They aren't going to apologize for bothering you and turn
away or hang up.  By the time you have finished telling them to leave you
alone the door should be already closed or the phone hung up.

Jo
Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 21:25 GMT
> "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Jo

Oh, you're right about that. The never apologize for disrupting
dinner, or interrupting you or anything else. Neither do
telemarketers. They're too busy formulating a come-back to keep you
listening. I got into a very heated exchange with somebody collecting
donations for breast cancer research. She was just flat rude. I don't
care how worthwhile the cause is, you can't give money to every
organization that calls.

Sherry
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:56 GMT
> I got into a very heated exchange with somebody collecting
> donations for breast cancer research. She was just flat rude. I don't
> care how worthwhile the cause is, you can't give money to every
> organization that calls.

Whenever anyone headed toward Rude Territory, I would press a button on my
phone's dial pad and say, "Ok, I need to record this conversation, to be sure
of the facts after we hang up. Let's start with you identifying yourself by
name, first name only if you prefer, and the name of the organization you
represent."

They usually calmed down after that.

But hey, don't you have your phone numbers registered with Do Not Call (at
least in the US)? I never get those calls anymore.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 17 Feb 2007 23:40 GMT
>> I got into a very heated exchange with somebody collecting
>> donations for breast cancer research. She was just flat rude. I don't
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> But hey, don't you have your phone numbers registered with Do Not
> Call (at least in the US)? I never get those calls anymore.

The only calls we get are from political organizations wanting donations.
One was *very* insistant on us giving money - even though I repeatedly told
him that we couldn't afford to right now, as our cat was sick and been at
the vets for over a week, and the bill would be enormous (no cat really
sick, but you never know - we like to keep a bit of money on hand just in
case this would happen).

The guy kept repeating "You don't want Hillary to end up in the oval office,
do you?".

I replied, "No (sorry - I'm a Clinton-o-phobe :D), and if you're so
concerned, you'd better get off the phone with me and try and drum up a
candidate that can beat her at the polls."

That ended the conversation.
Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 19:17 GMT
> I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an
> entry I posted in my diary at the time>
> Helen M

Heh. We used to live practically next door to a Mormon stake center.
The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just
young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible
to be rude to them. Luckily you could spot them a mile away; they had
this cookie-cutter look; and I'd just not answer the door. That's
rudeness of another form, but if you ever let them in, you couldn't
get rid of them.

Sherry
Bill Stock - 17 Feb 2007 21:04 GMT
>> I managed to work out how to get rid of Mormons last June...below is an
>> entry I posted in my diary at the time>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Sherry

I had a professor who let some JWs in and then excused himself. He's not
sure how low they stayed before letting themselves out. :-)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Feb 2007 21:09 GMT
> The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just
> young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible
> to be rude to them. Luckily you could spot them a mile away; they had
> this cookie-cutter look; and I'd just not answer the door. That's
> rudeness of another form, but if you ever let them in, you couldn't
> get rid of them.

I don't agree that it's rude not to answer the door. Why are you
obligated to do that? They're the ones invading your privacy. I don't
think that makes them entitled to an open door.

I never get religious people at my door, but I do get the kids selling
candy to send someone to college, etc. I always feel bad saying no to
them, but (1) I don't really know if any given child trying to sell me
candy is legit, and (2) I really don't need a box full of sugar in my
house!

Joyce
Sherry - 17 Feb 2007 21:19 GMT
On Feb 17, 3:09�pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:

> > The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just
> > young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Joyce

Oh, I used to be a real sucker for any candy-hawking kid, and I don't
even like candy much. One time I said, "So, Sugar, who are you selling
for? Your school? Your church?" And this precious little freckle-faced
girl looked up at me and said, "A private individual."
Ha! It wasn't so hard after that to say "no." Apparently regular
people sometimes just enlist the neighborhood kids to sell candy and
pocket the profits.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Feb 2007 21:35 GMT
>> I never get religious people at my door, but I do get the kids selling
>> candy to send someone to college, etc. I always feel bad saying no to
>> them, but (1) I don't really know if any given child trying to sell me
>> candy is legit, and (2) I really don't need a box full of sugar in my
>> house!

> Oh, I used to be a real sucker for any candy-hawking kid, and I don't
> even like candy much. One time I said, "So, Sugar, who are you selling
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> people sometimes just enlist the neighborhood kids to sell candy and
> pocket the profits.

Exactly! You really don't know who they're working for. I prefer to
give money to organizations that I choose and seek out myself.

Joyce
Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT
> > The problem with the Mormon missionaries is, I knew they were just
> > young boys very far away from. The were just so nice it was impossible
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> candy is legit, and (2) I really don't need a box full of sugar in my
> house!

I don't have a problem with children I recognize from the neighborhood
selling things for school fund raising.  I just feel sorry for them and
think door to door sales by children are a very bad idea.

I do have a problem with older kids I've seen going door to door selling
candy etc at an inflated price to raise money for "college" etc.

They aren't local kids.  They are driven around in groups by adults and
dropped off in neighborhoods to make sales.  Far too often then are a long
way away from home and are expected to "earn their keep"  ie motel rooms and
food before they get any money and are pretty much trapped in the business.

While I feel terrible for them, I'm also somewhat afraid of them and the
groups they travel around in.  And I never buy anything from them.  I figure
anything they sell just encourages the practice to continue and gets more
kids involved.

Note:  Watch out for job interviews being held in motel rooms targeted at
kids that are eighteen, but barely.

Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT
> Basically a woman was so tee'd off with the local JWs calling at her house
> despite her not being interested and saying so, she decided to get her own
> back. She started interrupting their meetings. She did not join in the
> meetings, she interrupted them to start talking about stuff she was
> interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint
> ;-)

That is brilliant! And hysterical. But did the people in the meetings
connect her to the person at such-and-such address? Sounds like it from
the story, but I don't understand how they managed that.

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:30 GMT
>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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> was interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the
> hint ;-)

She was lucky it didn't get her arrested!  (JW's seem to be
singularly devoid of humour.)
Baha - 18 Feb 2007 02:00 GMT
And I am reminded of an episode of that most sacred of broadcasts, The Nanny,
where Sylvia says she once went naked to the apartmetn door to surprise her
husband...

"But in the meantime ya nevah saw anothah Jehovah's Witness in our building
again!"

Shalom,
Baha

>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>interested in but they weren't. This finally caused them to take the hint
>;-)
Stormmee - 17 Feb 2007 19:14 GMT
My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road that is
gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few miles, their
driveway is 1/3 mile long, My father has a gate at the beginning, he tried
to be polite, he closed the gate, they opened it, he put up a sign, they
ignored it, he locked the gate, they climbed over it... we were discussing
this one day, after the tenth visit... my dad says... next time they knock I
am answering the door naked... gonna invite them in for more than coffee...
my mom is saying no you're not... a few months later I ask him how it was
going...  He smiles and says, they haven't been back since their last visit
a month ago... I say why... Daddy says that doesn't matter but I am sure
they won't be back, Lee
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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Adrian A - 17 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT
> My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road
> that is gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few
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> month ago... I say why... Daddy says that doesn't matter but I am
> sure they won't be back, Lee

I'll have to remember that one, thanks for the tip. ;o)
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Stormmee - 17 Feb 2007 21:05 GMT
and if you knew my dad I can't even begin to imagine, what he really did, I
figured out after becoming an adult, he has a wicked sense of humor, and I
refuse to even contemplate what he invited him in for, but whatever it was
they haven't been back for several years now, Lee
> > My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road
> > that is gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few
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Pat - 17 Feb 2007 22:34 GMT
| My parents own a farm, in very rural Missouri, they live on a road that is
| gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few miles, their
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| a month ago... I say why... Daddy says that doesn't matter but I am sure
| they won't be back, Lee

This story reminds me of what my buddy David and I did to some Mormon
missionaries in Flagstaff. We were visiting a friend and had parked near his
house and when we left headed toward the car - my minivan - we saw them
headed down the block toward us. So we got into the back of the van, opened
the screened back windows, pulled the curtains, and started making noise and
jumping around to make the van shake, rattle and roll as they walked by!
Baha - 18 Feb 2007 02:05 GMT
Louie knew I was an ex-Mormon before we were married, but knew nothing of how
they go about proselytising or other such things, so one day he flipped his
turban when a couple LDS missionaries came and introduced themselves as my
"home teachers." Louie came running in saying the Mormons were demanding to
move in and get room and board like British soldiers before the Revolution! I
had a hard time explaining that I was still considered a member, my name was
still on the rolls for some reason, and all "home teacher" meant was a male
member assigned another member for monthly instruction.

They stopped coming around after they came and saw the both us us wearing our
kirpans (the ceremonial daggers required of devout Sikhs.)

Blessed be,
Baha

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>| gravel, to get to this road you take a blacktop for a few miles, their
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>the screened back windows, pulled the curtains, and started making noise and
>jumping around to make the van shake, rattle and roll as they walked by!
mlbriggs - 17 Feb 2007 20:08 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

Why don't you just ask them to Purr for those who need it?
Shiral - 17 Feb 2007 20:35 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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Whew! I'm glad Miss Lily Whiskers is okay!  MUCH too close a call.  I
don't blame you for giving those dead brains the rough edge of your
tongue.

I had a pair of JW's come to my door years ago ALSO earlier than I
cared to rise on a Saturday morning, and I told them flat out  "No I'm
really not interested, I'm perfectly happy with the religion I already
follow." I happen to be agnostic, but I wasn't about to get into that
with a JW.

"Well if you discuss it with me, I think you'll find MY religion is
highly compatible with yours, already."

Me: (Smiling while already easing the door closed.)  "Oh I REALLY
doubt that!" Close door, click deadbolt shut.   They haven't bothered
me since, I'm glad to say.

I tend to get more Mormons, around here.  The most recent of whom came
in search of my neighbor who had recently been evicted. I told them
the rental office might have information about where she had gone, but
that I didn't, as she and I rarely ever talked.  One guy asked  "May
we come in?" while already coming up my front steps. I stood in the
doorway, smiled and said "No" very firmly and without qualifying it in
any way.  The guy stopped, looking bewildered and as I didn't change
my stance, they left.

As Dave Barry points out, people who 'want to share their religion
with you' almost NEVER want you to share yours with them. I don't give
those people any more time than it takes to say "No thank you, I'm
really not interested."  It's one thing if a person goes to a church
and says  "I'm interested in joining you, could you tell me a little
more about your denomination?" and assuming that your religion is
superior to your next door neighbors' and nagging them to change.

Melissa

Melissa
Cheryl Perkins - 17 Feb 2007 21:08 GMT
I must say, I've never had much trouble with religious callers. I just
usually say something vague about having my own religion, accept leaflets
if they're pushed in my hand and move on.

I don't really get them at the door much - or I don't know if I do -
because I don't have a doorbell and mostly don't hear people knocking,
especially if I'm in the back away from the front door. When I moved in, I
thought "No doorbell!! I really must buy one." but as time passed, I began
to see the advantages of not having one.

I must have a bit of a weird reputation, though, because I also live on a
very busy street and don't want the cats out. My way of dealing with it is
to open the door a mere crack like the stereotypical paranoid old bat who
thinks everyone who comes to the door must be a burglar.

Politicians seem to be better that religion enthusiasts at really
hammering at the door loudly enough to catch my attention, especially in
the run-up to a close election. And I hate chatting with politicians on my
doorstep or on the phone. Especially on the phone. It's harder to ignore
the phone.

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pmendhall - 18 Feb 2007 02:04 GMT
We have a similar way of dealing with the door to door callers.  Our
doorbell broke and needs to be replaced.  I have thought several times that
I need to replace the doorbell, but after seeing all the "odd" folks who
come knocking, I'm not sure I'm going to.  They ring the bell, which of
course doesn't ring, and finally go away.

Diane

> I don't really get them at the door much - or I don't know if I do -
> because I don't have a doorbell and mostly don't hear people knocking,
> especially if I'm in the back away from the front door. When I moved in, I
> thought "No doorbell!! I really must buy one." but as time passed, I began
> to see the advantages of not having one.
Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 20:59 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

You were at least as polite as the situation required.  That is pretty much
how my Rosie was killed.  Granted we didn't have a sign and my husbands nit
wit friend who came to the door making a racket didn't mean any harm.  He
was here early to help Charlie with some tree trimming.  Opened the door and
hollered.  Rosie took off at a dead run.  Across the street, over the fence
and into guard dog territory.

JW's usually come round on Saturday mornings.  I can't imagine they get very
warm receptions many places.

Jo
Yowie - 17 Feb 2007 21:39 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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> think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
> morons though. ;o)

Write to the local Kingdom Hall and point out that by knocking on your door
they a) broke the law by trespassing, when a sign clearly said they were not
allowed on the property and b) were therefore making themselve totally
liable for anything that may have happened to your cat since it was their
*illegal* visit that caused her to escape.

Demand that your address be removed from their list, and that any further
uninvited Jehovah's Witnesses will be treated as both harassment and
trespassing and the police will be called. Include a photo of the sign at
your door and a description of the people who ignored it.

And *phew*,  glad Miss Lily Whiskers was OK!

I do have to defend some individual JW's though. An elderly gentleman
knocked on my door at about 8am on a Saturday morning, and I answered the
door with the mother of all flus. He took one look at me and said "Are you
alright? Can I call someone? Is there anything I can do?" After I grunted
"no", he apologised for disturbing me and said "I hope you feel better soon.
I'll pray for you", and went on his way.

That incident made me realise that my assumptions about *all* JWs was wrong.

Yowie
Ketzl's Dad - 17 Feb 2007 21:59 GMT
> I do have to defend some individual JW's though. An elderly gentleman
> knocked on my door at about 8am on a Saturday morning, and I answered the
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>
> Yowie

You softie! Amateur!  Don't you see: He just didn't want your cooties.
He'll be ba-ack! :-)

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Jo Firey - 17 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT
>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>>
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>
> Yowie

Oh, the few I know personally are very nice people.  I have no problem with
them or their beliefs.  And they usually go away if you ask them to.  Its
the ones who don't I have a big problem with.

Jo
wafflycat - 18 Feb 2007 09:57 GMT
> Oh, the few I know personally are very nice people.  I have no problem
> with them or their beliefs.  And they usually go away if you ask them to.
> Its the ones who don't I have a big problem with.
>
> Jo

Aye. I know many a lovely, kind, open, honest, caring religious person of
differing faiths. But they don't seek to ram their faith down my throat at
any and every opportunity. The advertise their faith by quietly getting on
and living their lives as demonstrations of their faith and by being kind to
others, not by stuffing my hands full of leaflets and shouting in the
streets or by saying that unless I believe their way, I'm going to roast in
hellfire for all eternity. Their lives are their advert, and good ones at
that.

On the other hand, I have huge dislike of those who are evangelical and
*insist* on telling me how much they want to save me and how I must 'open my
life to [insert name of deity of choice]' and unless I do, I'm a bad person
who is damned etc., etc.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Feb 2007 22:20 GMT
> To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
> think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
> morons though. ;o)

Well, if they can't read your sign, they probably ARE
illiterate morons!  I strongly object to anyone "peddling"
their religion door-to-door, and make no bones about simply
saying "not interested" and closing the door in their faces.
 (To me, religion is a deeply personal matter, which I do
not choose to discuss with some idiot who invades my privacy
to do so, uninvited.)

Where I live now, my door opens directly to the outdoors,
Melisande is an accomplished escape artist, and while I was
dealing with an importunate magazine salesman (seeking to
win a prize trip from Arizona to London) she slipped out and
spent a very cold night outside!  I didn't think there was
enough room for the cats to get out, with the chain on the
door, but she obviously managed it, and I didn't notice
until she didn't come running at suppertime (at which point
she was nowhere in sight and ignored my calling her).

I am equally rude when I am ill-advised enough to answer my
telephone without waiting for the machine to screen the
call!  I have both my regular phone and my cell-phone
registered on the National Do Not Call List, but there are
so many exemptions to that:  If you've bought something from
a company by telephone or over the internet, they are free
to call you.  If you are registered to vote, the political
party of your choice can call you as often as they like.
Charitable organizations have no restrictions placed upon
them - whether or not you have ever been a donor, they can
still call you.
Matthew - 17 Feb 2007 23:20 GMT
Helen do this next time they come to the door.  Tell them you will listen to
them if they can answer this question.
The question is If Adam and eve bore 2 son  and they took wives.  Who did
they marry when there were only 4 people alive at that time.  Tell them
answer this if not leave and don't not come back till they can answer it and
close the door.  I love screwing with bible thumpers.  I have a sign almost
similar to yours except I call the law on them since I have quite a few
other signs that say no trespassing under penalty of law

> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)
Jack Campin - bogus address - 18 Feb 2007 01:14 GMT
> JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have
> a BIG sign on my front door that says
> "No salespeople, NO religious callers, NO political canvasing. Official
> callers must have ID." [...]
> JW's just don't get the hint though. Apparently they are immune to signs
> telling them to get lost.

People like to believe this, but they have always had a policy that
they will not call on people who don't want them to.

Have you tried simply saying "don't visit me, please"?

I have no time for their belief system, but their adherents are as
friendly and sincere a bunch of people as I've ever met.

(You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of
fascist psycho thugs).

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Helen Miles - 18 Feb 2007 10:28 GMT
> People like to believe this, but they have always had a policy that
> they will not call on people who don't want them to.
>
> Have you tried simply saying "don't visit me, please"?////

Yes, and to be fair, the same ones never come twice. :) I'm usually very
polite, but this time Lily was in danger because of their visit, and the
time I threw icecream over them it was they day that my brother had been
in a firefight in Afghanistan, 2 marines were killed in his patrol and I
hadn't heard whether he was alive or not. I didn't appreciate a
moralistic rant of why God thought the Afghanistan war was a bad thing.

Usually they just bugger off when I tell them politely I'm not
interested.

> I have no time for their belief system, but their adherents are as
> friendly and sincere a bunch of people as I've ever met.

> (You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of
> fascist psycho thugs).

Mormons are a whole different breed. And very scary because of their
level of brainwashing within the organisation.

Helen M
Christina Websell - 19 Feb 2007 23:40 GMT
> (You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of
> fascist psycho thugs).

I have to take issue with this opinion.  A lot of my family are Mormons,
although I am not myself.  A nicer bunch of people you couldn't meet.

Tweed

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Sherry - 19 Feb 2007 23:53 GMT
On Feb 19, 5:40�pm, "Christina Websell"
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > (You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of
> > fascist psycho thugs).
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>
> Tweed

Well, I kind of take issue with it also; as I said in my post the
young Mormon missionaries were so nice it made it impossible to be
rude to them. Persistent, but very polite, always.

Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 20:53 GMT
>>(You may be confusing them with the Mormons, who are a bunch of
>>fascist psycho thugs).
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>
> Tweed

You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you?
However we may feel about door-to-door proselytizing, most
of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess.
(They may not approve of homosexuality, but they certainly
don't engage in hatemongering - about that or anything else!)

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Adrian A - 20 Feb 2007 21:15 GMT
> You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you?
> However we may feel about door-to-door proselytizing, most
> of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess.
> (They may not approve of homosexuality, but they certainly
> don't engage in hatemongering - about that or anything else!)

You seem very quick to call people trolls even when they have posted many
times about their cats.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 21:38 GMT
>>You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you?
>>However we may feel about door-to-door proselytizing, most
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> You seem very quick to call people trolls even when they have posted many
> times about their cats.

I consider the content!  (When it appears to be from a
long-term, civilized poster, I simply assume someone has
forged his/her name.)
Debbie Wilson - 20 Feb 2007 21:21 GMT
> You realize you responded to some idiot troll, don't you?

Tweed responded, but Jack's certainly not an 'idiot troll', and no doubt
he has his own reasons for saying what he did....

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Ketzl's Dad - 20 Feb 2007 21:23 GMT
> most
> of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess.

Thank you for speaking on behalf of most of us.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 21:42 GMT
>>most
>>of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess.
>
> Thank you for speaking on behalf of most of us.

Does that mean you don't agree?  (Sometimes it's difficult
to determine whether a remark is genuine or intended as
sarcasm.)  I've been posting to this group for several
years, and what I said seems true for most of the posts I've
read here.
Ketzl's Dad - 20 Feb 2007 22:03 GMT
>>> most
>>> of us appreciate the "family values" most Mormons profess.
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> years, and what I said seems true for most of the posts I've
> read here.

The term "family values", as is has evolved -- or devolved, a better
description -- has become symbolic to me  of bigoted narrow-minded
bible-thumping zealots.

It's not the values I deplore: it's the bigotry inherent in the term.

Beyond that, I'm always leery or anyone who speaks on behalf of "most of us."

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Feb 2007 22:23 GMT
>>> Thank you for speaking on behalf of most of us.
>>
>> Does that mean you don't agree?  (Sometimes it's difficult
>> to determine whether a remark is genuine or intended as
>> sarcasm.)

> The term "family values", as is has evolved -- or devolved, a better
> description -- has become symbolic to me  of bigoted narrow-minded
> bible-thumping zealots.

> It's not the values I deplore: it's the bigotry inherent in the term.

What I don't like about this phrase - aside from its usage as a euphemism
for "keep out the homosexshuls" - is the idea that everyone wants to,
or *should* want to, live in a family. Also, at least to me, the actual
meaning of the phrase is rather vague. What exactly *are* family values,
anyway?

I do realize that the majority of people want families, and that's fine.
But some of us are not interested in that aspect of life - does that mean
we're suspect, somehow? Does not having any interest in raising kids, or
being married, mean you're somehow dangerous to society? Do people think
we're perverts who have drugged-out orgies or something? (Or, perhaps,
who have drugged-out orgies at inappropriate times or places? :))

Maybe what people are trying to get at when they use that phrase - other
than the ones who use it to refer to their hatred and bigotry - is a sense
of, maybe, civility, commitment to one's community, respect for other
human beings and for the needs of children? Single people, and couples
without kids, can certainly have those values, too.

So, if anyone cares to, I'd like to hear a definition of "family values".
What does it mean to you? What values are included? What values, behaviors,
attitudes, etc, are *not* included?

Thanks,
Joyce
Ketzl's Dad - 20 Feb 2007 23:01 GMT
> Maybe what people are trying to get at when they use that phrase - other
> than the ones who use it to refer to their hatred and bigotry - is a sense
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> What does it mean to you? What values are included? What values, behaviors,
> attitudes, etc, are *not* included?

You hit the nail on the head as far as my definition: your first paragraph
above: civility, commitment to one's community, respect.

That's R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Ain't got nothing to do with bible study. In my opinion, you either take the
bible in its entirety or you allow for others to "selectively interpret" its
teachings too.

Anyway, the bible is only one source for inspiration among many.

And no xenophobes need apply.

I apologize for being so OT.

Just my opinion. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. I *have* my bag of
goods, and I'm happy with it.

(Oh, and thanks for asking! :-)

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Feb 2007 21:37 GMT
>  > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
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> meaning of the phrase is rather vague. What exactly *are* family values,
> anyway?

When I used the term to refer to Mormons, I certainly didn't
mean anything derogatory!  Unlike the fanatics who pay
lip-service to the idea, most of the Mormons I've known have
a genuine sense of "family" in the true meaning of the word.
 They care for each other's well-being, support each
other's efforts, help each other when they need help, and
try to treat all their friends and acquaintances with the
same consideration (as though they were all one family).

I realize some of the people here did not experience close
relationships with their own families (indeed some of you
were even abused as children).  However, to many of us
"family" still means the people we can turn to in need, who
will help us, no questions asked.  A haven where we are
guaranteed acceptance, without fear of being turned away
because they disapprove of some of our actions.  THAT'S what
I think of  as true "family values".
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Feb 2007 22:00 GMT
> When I used the term to refer to Mormons, I certainly didn't
> mean anything derogatory!  Unlike the fanatics who pay
> lip-service to the idea, most of the Mormons I've known have
> a genuine sense of "family" in the true meaning of the word.

I know the term is not used in a derogatory way, unless someone is
referring to its use as a disguise for various sorts of bigotry. (Not
just anti-gay, although that seems to be the primary motive.)

> I realize some of the people here did not experience close
> relationships with their own families (indeed some of you
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> because they disapprove of some of our actions.  THAT'S what
> I think of  as true "family values".

That's really lovely - you're lucky! Unfortunately, I have to count
myself among the people who did not experience unconditional love from
my family, and did experience abuse. It's not all bad, and I do get
along with my immediate family, mostly, but I wouldn't turn to them in
times of trouble.

Well, actually, I did borrow some money from my sister last year when
I was broke. On the other hand, I borrowed a much larger sum from a
good friend, and another good friend *gave* me a much larger amount,
even though I think my sister is better off than they are. So while my
sister was certainly there for me, I would still turn to my friends
first. And I would definitely not go to my family for emotional support.

Actually, I don't know anyone who goes to their parents, siblings or
other relatives for emotional support. But maybe that's because people
with similar experiences and backgrounds gravitate toward each other,
so I ended up with a bunch of friends who all have problematic family
relationships.

Anyway, I think you have a good point here. I obviously have a much
more negative connotation to the word "family" than you and perhaps
other lucky individuals do.

Joyce
Jo Firey - 22 Feb 2007 00:41 GMT
> Actually, I don't know anyone who goes to their parents, siblings or
> other relatives for emotional support. But maybe that's because people
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> more negative connotation to the word "family" than you and perhaps
> other lucky individuals do.

I think is only natural to think of our own view of the world as being the
"natural" way to view the world.

And I know I have been very lucky in my family.  My dad and my aunt had
birthdays a few days apart.  Her daughter and I still email each other on
their birthdays to share how lucky we feel that they were out parents.

Before my brother died, we called each other often since we lived on
opposite coasts.  Some days when things were going a bit rough here, I'd
call and tell him I just needed to talk to someone that I knew loved me and
wasn't currently upset with me.

My sister and I are still close.  I can't wait to spend a week with her in
May.

And I dearly love my remaining aunt.  She is the only one left now that was
"there when I was born".   And yes we still share our problems and turn to
each other for emotional support.

Jo
Jane - 18 Feb 2007 04:35 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
> JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a
> BIG sign on my front door that says

*snip*

> To say I wasn't polite to the JW's was a bit of an understatement. I
> think I might have gone a bit over board when I called them illiterate
> morons though. ;o)
>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

Did you at least knock them over on your way out the door to rescue
Miss Lily??

I'm sorry, I'm a born-again Christian myself, and they still drive me
crazy. Fortunately I haven't had much problems with them in the
past.

Jane
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Helen Miles - 18 Feb 2007 10:21 GMT
> I'm sorry, I'm a born-again Christian myself, and they still drive me
> crazy. Fortunately I haven't had much problems with them in the
> past.
>
> Jane
> - owned and operated by Princess Rita///

I have numerous friends with strong religious beliefs, from Judasim to
Born again Christianity. The difference between them and JW's/Mormons,
is that they respect the fact that I have my own set of spiritual
beliefs and don't try to convert me in the same way that the majority of
Christians, yourself included wouldn't. What I object to is people
invading my privacy at home to try and convert me. Being welcomed into a
church is one thing. Having it shoved down your throat is another. :)

Helen M
Cheryl Perkins - 18 Feb 2007 12:48 GMT
> I have numerous friends with strong religious beliefs, from Judasim to
> Born again Christianity. The difference between them and JW's/Mormons,
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> invading my privacy at home to try and convert me. Being welcomed into a
> church is one thing. Having it shoved down your throat is another. :)

I just don't take it that way, although it's clear from this thread that a
lot of people agree with you. I don't mind people asking me if they can
talk to me with a view to converting me on the doorstep (which happens
rarely) or in the street (which happen slightly more often). I don't
actually get into conversations with them as a rule, since I'm not
particularly interested in being converted. But simply being asked? No
problem; I reply 'no, thanks', and move on.

My pet dislikes are telephone salespeople (who are, in my experience, far
LESS likely to take 'No' for an answer than evangelizers are) and people -
business and political - who do that thing where they leave automated
messages on my answering machine. But I've dealt with them, too. I get
fewer telephone sales calls due to being listed on 'do not call' lists,
and refusing to give my phone number unless the business has a genuine
need for it. If anyone gets through, I say 'Not interested' and hang up as
soon as I've identified the person as in sales, in mid-spiel if needed. If
I don't recognize the voice of the person - some of them don't identify
themselves right away and try to engage you in small talk first - I say
"May I ask who is speaking?" (which is mildly embarrassing when s/he turns
out to be a real friend, but only mildly, because my friends know me). And
I found a place on my phone company's website which gives the codes to
punch in to fast forward through unwanted phone messages and delete them
faster. So even those two nuisances - telephone sales and politicians -
don't bother me too much any more.

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polonca12000 - 18 Feb 2007 22:11 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

How very scary! I'm so relieved to hear Miss Lily Whiskers is ok!
Calming purrs and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
MaryL - 18 Feb 2007 23:49 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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>
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

This doesn't address the problem of people who "assume" they have the right
to intrude.  However, I have solved that problem (and, more important, the
possibility of more dangerous intruders) by using a peep-hole with a very
large view-point.  It shows a person at full height, and I simply don't open
the door if I don't recognize the person on the other side.  Of course, my
front door is solid wood.  My "solution" would not be particularly good if
you have windows in your door.

MaryL
Lesley - 19 Feb 2007 12:29 GMT
>This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
>JW's are quite possibly THE most annoying people on the planet. I have a
>BIG sign on my front door that says

To dispose of a JW (nastily) listen to them for 5 minutes nod intensly and
when the times up look at your watch and say "Look I agree with quite a lot
of what you're saying and I am definately interested in asking you to come
back so we can talk further (watch their faces light up) but I have to go and
give blood" (Watch their faces fall)

Mormons: When they ask you if you're religious, tell them you are and you
practice your religion. They inevitably ask whether you're Catholic, CofE etc
. Tell them nope, you're a practising Satanist- worked for me anyway

Any unwelcome callers- my friend Tasha did this. She was in the kitchen and
the doorbell went so wondering who it was she went to answer it.

Two young men stood there and said "We're from the church of....." then ran
for it.

She was cutting up meat for her dogs and had without thinking opened the door
carrying a meat cleaver, wearing rubber gloves and bloody to the elbows!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Adrian A - 19 Feb 2007 14:29 GMT
<snip>

> Any unwelcome callers- my friend Tasha did this. She was in the
> kitchen and the doorbell went so wondering who it was she went to
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> the door carrying a meat cleaver, wearing rubber gloves and bloody to
> the elbows!

I would love to have seen that. :-)
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Ketzl's Dad - 19 Feb 2007 15:01 GMT
> Two young men stood there and said "We're from the church of....." then ran
> for it.
>
> She was cutting up meat for her dogs and had without thinking opened the door
> carrying a meat cleaver, wearing rubber gloves and bloody to the elbows!

LOL!!

Yet aNOTHer good reason always to have raw meat and large knife handy.
Oh, and the gloves are a nice touch.

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Pat - 20 Feb 2007 08:01 GMT
There's an 87-year-old woman living across the street from me who seems to
think that the world turns on being able to eventually get me to attend her
church. She calls at least weekly on the phone and invariably gets around to
her real reason for calling. I have told her at least a dozen times that I
am simply not interested but it doesn't sink in. I don't want to alienate
her as a neighbor, I enjoy talking with her when she's not going on about
the bible, but she gets mightily offended when I don't go along with what
she says. Last time she did it, I borrowed the refrigerator-sized diamond
analogy from Sam Harris and the Orbiting China Teapot idea from Bertrand
Russell. I tried to be gentle and hope it worked but I might need to tell
her that I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster....
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Feb 2007 21:02 GMT
> There's an 87-year-old woman living across the street from me who seems to
> think that the world turns on being able to eventually get me to attend her
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> Russell. I tried to be gentle and hope it worked but I might need to tell
> her that I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster....

I have a friend who every once in a while e-mails me some of
her "born again Christian" literature with instructions to
pass it on.  My invariable responses telling her I respect
her right to believe what she chooses, and wish she would
return the compliment, don't seem to have much effect.  In
every other way, she's a good friend of many years'
standing, but I DO wish she'd keep her religious views to
herself!
jmcquown - 19 Feb 2007 18:00 GMT
> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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> JW's just don't get the hint though. Apparently they are immune to
> signs telling them to get lost.
(snippage)
> Helen M (who is very relieved that Miss Lily Whiskers is fine)

I'm relieved Miss Lily Whiskers is fine, too!  I haven't seen any JW's for a
while but from time to time the Baptists come to call.  And they don't like
to take "no" for an answer, either.  But I recall one funny experience
almost 10 years ago, shortly after I moved to this apartment.  A father and
son knocked on my door and started their spiel about why I should attend
*their* Baptist church.  When I could get a word in edgewise I said, "Just
one problem, I'm not a BAPTIST!" I swear they were practically signals to
ward off the evil eye as they backed away.  They probably marked my
apartment somehow, like the hobos used to do, warning everyone else away.
I've not been bugged by door-to-door religious nuts since then. :D

Jill
Sherry - 19 Feb 2007 20:09 GMT
> > This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>
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> apartment somehow, like the hobos used to do, warning everyone else away.
> I've not been bugged by door-to-door religious nuts since then. :D

IME, Baptists will call (other denominations too)...when someone first
moves to invite them to their church. I don't think it had anything to
do with "evil eye". Usually they don't come back unless you've
expressed interest in their church.

Sherry
jmcquown - 20 Feb 2007 09:48 GMT
>>> This is a minor rant, so bear with me...
>>
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>
> Sherry

It was just funny the way they literally backed up away from my door when I
proclaimed I'm not a Baptist, like I'd said something very evil and they
were likely to be whisked promptly to hell if they stood close to me a
moment longer.

I don't think religion should be a door to door thing.  It's a highly
personal subject and to do so is very intrusive.

I worked with a woman who would send out bible scriptures via email to all
sorts of people in the company.  This included email to a highly religious
Jewish man who wore a yarmulke every day.  Trust me, he didn't welcome
getting emails about Jesus.

There was another woman who would constantly engage another member of the
department, who was a Muslim, in