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David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 00:18 GMT
Cat Newsgroups

  Newsgroups are made available to you by your service provider [ISP].
Nearly all ISPs will carry these newsgroups: if yours does not then talk
to them. If you have any difficulty finding these groups then your ISP
should be able to help. I hope that you will take at least one of the
newsgroups and enjoy it or them.

  Binaries, ie pictures, are not permitted in any newsgroup except
alt.binaries.pictures.animals.

  The former newsgroup rec.pets.cats has been split into six different
groups, and the original group no longer exists.

  Getting a mailing list is different: see description with Cat-UK

DESCRIPTIONS

rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Stories about cats, some humorous. This newsgroup and
rec.pets.cats.community are the only really friendly newsgroups
fostering friendship between many of the posters.

rec.pets.cats.community
Feline/human conversations and related topics, featuring Meowchat,
articles between the actual cats.

rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Feline health and behavior, requests for help with problems, medical
articles.

rec.pets.cats.rescue
Discussion of feline rescue organizations and methods, trying to place
cats.

rec.pets.cats.misc
General feline topics, support for people who lose their cats.

rec.pets.cats.announce
Informational postings, FAQ's regarding cats. This group is moderated,
ie posts have to be approved by the moderator, Cindy Tittle Moore

alt.animals.felines
A more general group that covers much of the above, though not
conversations between cats. There are also occasional postings about
other felines such as Big Cats.

alt.animals.felines.diseases
This group is for advice on cat health matters, but is rarely used, and
rec.pets.cats.health+behav is more likely to get helpful replies.

alt.cats
A very general and popular group, it is certainly worth a visit.
However, it is the most argumentative of all the groups, containing some
people with no love for cats, but only for causing trouble.

alt.pets.cats
A small general group.

alt.animals.cat
A small general group.

it.discussioni.animali.gatti
A small and friendly Italian-speaking newsgroup.

alt.binaries.pictures.animals
Pictures of animals. Pictures are not allowed in the ordinary groups.

Cats-uk Mailing List
This is a mailing list for UK cat owners to discuss their cats. It has
very little traffic. To subscribe, go to the egroups website at
http://www.egroups.com/. If you have any difficulty write direct to
Steve Littley, the List Manager, on <littley@nortelnetworks.com>.

                This document may also be found at

                 http://blakjak.com/cat_news.htm

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Ted Davis - 11 Feb 2007 01:44 GMT
Massive cross posted spam

You do realize, don't you, that by now you have been added to an
enormous number of kill files, including mine.  You no longer exist.

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Sherry - 11 Feb 2007 04:49 GMT
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:18:36 +0000, David Stevenson
>
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> --
> T.E.D. (tda...@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead

It's actually not crossposted, it was posted to rpca only I believe.
David is a regular contributor here, although he doesn't post much, he
maintains a website with this info.
Although I do agree it was a bit overwhelming, for me, with a very
slow dial-up and computer lacking enough memory. It would have been
better for me to read it compiled into one, single posting, with a
description & links to separate articles. That way I could choose
which articles I was interested in, and not have to wade through the
ones I wasn't.

Sherry
Ted Davis - 11 Feb 2007 18:19 GMT
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:18:36 +0000, David Stevenson
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>It's actually not crossposted, it was posted to rpca only I believe.

The list of newsgroups for some of his postings in that group was
quite long - a block of eight messages was posted to at least every
cat group I read.  Actually. that message was multiposted to several
blocks of three of four crossposted groups.  All within a couple of
minutes.
>David is a regular contributor here, although he doesn't post much, he
>maintains a website with this info.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>which articles I was interested in, and not have to wade through the
>ones I wasn't.

Abuse is abuse.  Experienced users should be aware of the commonly
agreed rules, among which is that if you have a lot of stuff to post,
put it on the web and post a URL.  Another is that posting of
advertising material, even if not directly commercial, to multiple
groups is spam.  If it is filled with broken links, there is no way to
assume that the sender is not either malicious or stupid - either way
merits the killfile.

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Sherry - 11 Feb 2007 18:31 GMT
"gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead

> >It's actually not crossposted, it was posted to rpca only I believe.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> blocks of three of four crossposted groups. All within a couple of
> minutes.

Sorry, I was wrong then :-)
I was judging by the "reply" feature on google that lists which
newsgroups are followed up by replying to a particular post. You used
to be able to tell if it was crossposted by looking there.

> >David is a regular contributor here, although he doesn't post much, he
> >maintains a website with this info.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> assume that the sender is not either malicious or stupid - either way
> merits the killfile.

I see your point. I think a good rule of thumb is, "If it's okay for
*me* to do it, would be it okay for *everyone* to?"
Case in point, I have a lot of soapboxes, too. I have a whole lot of
stories, a lot of information that I think is worth sharing. So does
everyone else. But if we *all* posted a dozen of them a day, the
newsgroup would be totally unreadable.

Sherry
David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 21:32 GMT
>On Feb 10, 7:440 >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:18:36 +0000, David Stevenson

>> Massive cross posted spam

 What spam?

>> You do realize, don't you, that by now you have been added to an
>> enormous number of kill files, including mine. 0
 I am sure I care.

>It's actually not crossposted, it was posted to rpca only I believe.
>David is a regular contributor here, although he doesn't post much, he
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>which articles I was interested in, and not have to wade through the
>ones I wasn't.

 That is what subject lines are for.

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MaryL - 11 Feb 2007 15:31 GMT
> Massive cross posted spam
>
> You do realize, don't you, that by now you have been added to an
> enormous number of kill files, including mine.  You no longer exist.

It's not crossposted, but I agree there are far too many threads in a short
period of time.  I suggest you remove David from your killfile because this
is very unusual for him to post so many messages, and he has been a longtime
contributor.  The unfortunate thing is that some of these are clever and/or
informative -- but I was not willing to read so many, so I just clicked on a
few.  I would have been much more likely to read everything if the messages
had been spread over a number of days (or, better, a single message with
links to separate articles, as Sherry suggested).

--
MaryL
Ted Davis - 11 Feb 2007 18:37 GMT
>> Massive cross posted spam
>>
>> You do realize, don't you, that by now you have been added to an
>> enormous number of kill files, including mine.  You no longer exist.

>It's not crossposted, but I agree there are far too many threads in a short
>period of time.  I suggest you remove David from your killfile because this
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>had been spread over a number of days (or, better, a single message with
>links to separate articles, as Sherry suggested).

Actually, I chose that one because it wasn't crossposted, but others
in the block were multiposted, crossposted, and multiposted to blocks
of crossposted groups.  He posted 30-40 messages to various groups
within a matter of minutes.  Far too many too close together to be
anything but spam.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 11 Feb 2007 20:39 GMT
> It's not crossposted, but I agree there are far too many threads
> in a short period of time... [snip] I would have been much more
> likely to read everything if the messages had been spread over a
> number of days

Since David is "retiring" from the task of maintaining all of these
lists and articles, I think he was just giving us all a final post
of each file. So, even if the volume of posts was annoying, it's not
going to keep happening. So why don't we cut him some slack? I am,
anyway!

Joyce
MaryL - 11 Feb 2007 21:06 GMT
> > It's not crossposted, but I agree there are far too many threads
> > in a short period of time... [snip] I would have been much more
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Joyce

Actually, I was trying to cut him some slack when I suggested that Ted take
him out of his killfile.  I do think it's unfortunate that David posted so
many messages in such a short period of time, but I think it was his way of
giving all of us access to the articles that were in the site that he said
he is no longer going to host.

MaryL
Sherry - 11 Feb 2007 21:17 GMT
On Feb 11, 2:39�pm, jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:

> > It's not crossposted, but I agree there are far too many threads
> > in a short period of time... [snip] I would have been much more
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Joyce

I *was* cutting him some slack trying to explain that this is not
usual spam-stuff and that he *was* a group member. I was not aware
that he was giving up the website. I"m sure a number of *other* people
weren't aware, either. AFAIC, that's fine; but he could have bothered
to explain that.

Sherry
David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 21:37 GMT
>On Feb 11, 2:390 >> MaryL <stanco...@yahoo.comtake-out-the-litter> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>weren't aware, either. AFAIC, that's fine; but he could have bothered
>to explain that.

  I did.

  Fully and completely in December.

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Sherry - 11 Feb 2007 22:32 GMT
> >On Feb 11, 2:390 >> MaryL <stanco...@yahoo.comtake-out-the-litter> wrote:
>
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> --
> David Stevenson

Excuse me. I don't remember every single post I read. You still could
have posted a reminder, if indeed you did make all those posts to make
them available after the website was down. But of course, then you
wouldn't have had an excuse to be such an a.s.

Sherry
David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 23:12 GMT
>On Feb 11, 3:370 >> Sherry wrote
>>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>them available after the website was down. But of course, then you
>wouldn't have had an excuse to be such an a.s.

  I did.

  You are a creep.

  Of course it is nice to have a go at someone for trying to help
people.  Makes you feel wonderful does it?

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Sherry - 11 Feb 2007 23:48 GMT
>  I did.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> --
> David Stevenson      

Oh, give me a break. I didn't "have a go" at you. I initially defended
you because some people were thinking you were some nutjob spammer. I
don't get this at all. You're keeping the website that already has all
this stuff on it? Then what's the big deal?

Sherry
David Stevenson - 12 Feb 2007 17:17 GMT
>Oh, give me a break. I didn't "have a go" at you. I initially defended
>you because some people were thinking you were some nutjob spammer. I
>don't get this at all. You're keeping the website that already has all
>this stuff on it? Then what's the big deal?

  For over ten years I have provided the following services.

1  Keeping a list of all posters to any cat newsgroup, together with
where they are and the names of their pets.

2  Keeping [and sometimes harvesting] informational posts which I send
out on request.

3  Welcoming every newcomer to any cat newsgroup I can find with a
Welcome! message.

4  Posting regularly certain informational posts, eg the list of people
above, to a wide variety of newsgroups.

5  Collecting stories and articles to put on my site, usually though not
invariably on my Cat Storypage.

6  When reading posts asking for names for cats, posting an
informational post giving the source of many cat names on various sites,
including mine, Flippy's, and so on.

7  When reading posts asking for advice because of a lost cat, posting
an informational post giving the source of much good advice on my
Catpage, also offering to send it out by email.

8  When reading posts asking for advice because of something else where
I can help with an informational email or an article on my website,
letting the person know.

  Unfortunately, my time is getting reduced, so I have to abandon
reading some newsgroups, including all cat newsgroups except RPCA.  I
also feel that I shall have to abandon all the above services except #5,
which is in abeyance: I still collect the stories but have posted few
for a very long time.  Maybe sometime I can spend a week and add a few
hundred stories.

  However, I have worried about the loss of these services.  Supposing
someone loses a cat in a year's time, and posts the fact on a newsgroup,
not necessarily this one.  I shall no longer be giving them advice,
though of course it remains on my Catpage.  But not everyone checks the
web at such a time.  In the past they might have asked me to send them
the relevant emails.  But what of the future?

  So I posted all the informational emails to RPCA, telling people so.
The other newsgroups were told that the posts would be here.  So people
could download and keep them, and hopefully someone who loses a cat
might get one back.

  If they do not want to download them - or even to read them - that's
their choice.  If they want to treat them as spam, that's their choice.
Of course they are not spam, not being off-topic to a cat newsgroup.  It
is also a fact that I am having trouble with a remailer who despite just
getting my annual payment seems to be doing a terrible job: as explained
again and again you should change .com to .org: different remailer:
works perfectly.

  Not only is all this a *lot* of work but the final jobs were hours of
work.  Of course I could have done it in a way that was more work, as
suggested/told/nagged/whatever.

  Do I expect to get thanked?  No, of course not.  I have done a lot of
voluntary work in cats and bridge [and a little in railways some years
back] and if I get thanked by five people a year, it has been a very
good year.

  But to be criticised for this work!

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Annie Wxill - 12 Feb 2007 18:50 GMT
...>
>   For over ten years I have provided the following services.
...>   But to be criticised for this work!
> David Stevenson

David,
I didn't see any criticism of your work, but some people objected to the
large number of posts all at once.  I  don't see how they could possibly be
considered spam.  And they certainly were more welcome than what trolls and
other troublemakers have used to attempt to disrupt and flood the
newsgroups.
You are a valuable member of this community.  I guess some people were
overwhelmed by the sudden large group of posts.  I remember that you posted
earlier that you would not be continuing all the services you have
voluntarily provided, but it's easy to see how not everybody saw it or did
not recall seeing it.
It's also understandable how you no longer have time to continue
I, for one, appreciate all the hard work you put into this project.  I'm
sure there are many others who feel the same.
Don't let a misunderstanding get you down.

Thank you,
Annie
Ann - 12 Feb 2007 21:52 GMT
I have book marked your page and will look at it more when I have time. I
didn't even know about your site until you posted it here.
Thanks for all the work you did.

Ann

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>>Oh, give me a break. I didn't "have a go" at you. I initially defended
>>you because some people were thinking you were some nutjob spammer. I
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>
>   But to be criticised for this work!
Christina Websell - 12 Feb 2007 22:01 GMT
>>Oh, give me a break. I didn't "have a go" at you. I initially defended
>>you because some people were thinking you were some nutjob spammer. I
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>
>   But to be criticised for this work!

I have no problem with the volume of posts from you - suddenly - because I
am now on broadband.  If I was still on dial-up, paying per minute for
downloads from the group I might have been a tad annoyed at the sheer
quantity all at once.
I did enjoy them, though, but please think about people who are still on
dial-up.

Tweed
Christina Websell - 11 Feb 2007 23:48 GMT
>>On Feb 11, 3:370 >> Sherry wrote
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>> >weren't aware, either. AFAIC, that's fine; but he could have bothered
>>> >to explain that.

>>Excuse me. I don't remember every single post I read. You still could
>>have posted a reminder, if indeed you did make all those posts to make
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>   Of course it is nice to have a go at someone for trying to help people.
> Makes you feel wonderful does it?

Oh dear.  This makes me sad.
You might have posted a warning that you were going to send multiple posts,
though, Dave.

Tweed
David Stevenson - 12 Feb 2007 17:19 GMT
>Oh dear.  This makes me sad.
>You might have posted a warning that you were going to send multiple posts,
>though, Dave.

  If by multiple posts you mean ot more than one newsgroup I have been
doing that for at least ten years on a regular though infrequent basis.

  If you mean posting all my informational posts it just seems too
obvious to warn people.  What do people think they are?

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Jo Firey - 12 Feb 2007 17:40 GMT
>>Oh dear.  This makes me sad.
>>You might have posted a warning that you were going to send multiple
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>   If you mean posting all my informational posts it just seems too obvious
> to warn people.  What do people think they are?

I'm still trying to sort this out.  Still shaking my head and trying to
figure out how in any way you have hurt or offended anyone.

And yes I do appreciate what you do.

(I really don't understand the one who kill filed you because they didn't
recognize you as a very long standing member of the group.  You have been
here forever and they have been here like five minutes.)

Jo
Sherry - 13 Feb 2007 00:51 GMT
> >>Oh dear. This makes me sad.
> >>You might have posted a warning that you were going to send multiple
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Jo

Ted Davis has been posting here for four years.

Sherry
Jo Firey - 13 Feb 2007 04:31 GMT
On Feb 12, 11:40?am, "Jo Firey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "David Stevenson" <c...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Jo

Ted Davis has been posting here for four years.

Sherry

That isn't who I was referring to.

Jo
MaryL - 15 Feb 2007 06:54 GMT
> On Feb 12, 11:40?am, "Jo Firey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "David Stevenson" <c...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Jo

But it was Ted who said he planned to killfile David.  Some of the rest of
us simply came online at that time to ask Ted to reconsider and to explain
that David had been providing a service.  I could understand why someone who
did not know about David would look at this as spam because posting a great
many messages at one time is often the practice of spammers.  Some of us
tried to explain that David was *not* spamming, but our attempts to soothe
the waters apparently did not come across right.

MaryL
Jo Firey - 15 Feb 2007 07:16 GMT
>> On Feb 12, 11:40?am, "Jo Firey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> "David Stevenson" <c...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> MaryL

No I was referring to:

I wasn't here in December; I figured you for a nut job (apologies; I'm only
now learning of your contribution to the newsgroup and I guess to the
world.)
But I did originally KF you because I saw you as a spammer; an unknown nym
with too many posts to be a valid member.

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MaryL - 15 Feb 2007 07:58 GMT
>>> On Feb 12, 11:40?am, "Jo Firey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> "David Stevenson" <c...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> But I did originally KF you because I saw you as a spammer; an unknown nym
> with too many posts to be a valid member.

Okay, thanks.

MaryL
Christina Websell - 12 Feb 2007 22:13 GMT
>>Oh dear.  This makes me sad.
>>You might have posted a warning that you were going to send multiple
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>   If by multiple posts you mean ot more than one newsgroup I have been
> doing that for at least ten years on a regular though infrequent basis.

No, I don't mean posting to more than one newsgroup, I mean that 20+ posts
from one person in one day is a lot to take in.

>   If you mean posting all my informational posts it just seems too obvious
> to warn people.  What do people think they are?

I'm not sure what you mean by "what do people think they are?"
Do you mean you don't like it if you are challenged about what you do?
Well, none of us like this.  Sometimes it's a good thing, it makes us think
of how what we do affects others, however much we hate having it pointed
out.

Tweed
David Stevenson - 13 Feb 2007 02:20 GMT
>I'm not sure what you mean by "what do people think they are?"
>Do you mean you don't like it if you are challenged about what you do?
>Well, none of us like this.  Sometimes it's a good thing, it makes us think
>of how what we do affects others, however much we hate having it pointed
>out.

  One of the criticisms was that they were spam.  I think that quite
ridiculous, and I think it perfectly reasonable to ask "what did people
think they are?"

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Christina Websell - 13 Feb 2007 22:15 GMT
>>I'm not sure what you mean by "what do people think they are?"
>>Do you mean you don't like it if you are challenged about what you do?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> ridiculous, and I think it perfectly reasonable to ask "what did people
> think they are?"

Maybe you just sent too many all at once.  It's a b**ger for anyone on
dial-up.

Tweed
Sherry - 13 Feb 2007 00:49 GMT
> >Oh dear. This makes me sad.
> >You might have posted a warning that you were going to send multiple posts,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> David Stevenson

The dedication you have toward this project is obvious, and I do
respect you for that. I do have a problem with the "What do people
think they are?" comment though.
They're just people, David. People aren't perfect, we're all
different, and we all have different expectations from a global
newsgroup. I can understand someone not understand your intent, or
really being familiar with your site.
A brief note of explanation would have been really nice.
I mail a quarterly newsletter. Often people ask to be removed from the
mailing list. Then I get good feedback from others who appreciate it.
<shrug> It doesn't bother me. If someone doesn't like my newsletter,
and doesn't want it, it's okay with me. I don't want to force it on
anybody.  So don't take it personally or feel bad that it isn't well-
received by *everyone*. . It all balances out.

Sherry
David Stevenson - 13 Feb 2007 02:22 GMT
>The dedication you have toward this project is obvious, and I do
>respect you for that. I do have a problem with the "What do people
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>anybody.  So don't take it personally or feel bad that it isn't well-
>received by *everyone*. . It all balances out.

  The criticisms were personal - why on earth should I not take them, as
personal.

  I think it a total joke to refer to one posting in fifteen years in
the terms people did.  What to do if you lose your cat is considered
spam?  Really?

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MaryL - 15 Feb 2007 06:59 GMT
>>The dedication you have toward this project is obvious, and I do
>>respect you for that. I do have a problem with the "What do people
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> terms people did.  What to do if you lose your cat is considered spam?
> Really?

David, you have performed a wonderful public service all these years, and I
am sorry to see that you have to give up most of it.  However, I suspect
that people who thought it was spam may not have known you and therefore may
not even have opened the messages -- that is what I do on some newsgroups
when I suddenly see a long string of messages from the same person.  I
suspect spam and tend to just bypass it.  You have been posting for many
years, but you have not been posting a lot lately -- so some simply may not
have recognized your name.

Thanks for the help you have provided for so many years.

MaryL
JBHajos - 13 Feb 2007 16:55 GMT
>The dedication you have toward this project is obvious, and I do
>respect you for that. I do have a problem with the "What do people
>think they are?" comment though.

  I had interpreted Dave's comment to mean "what do people think the
*posts* are?", not as in "who do people think *they* are."  Not at all
critical of the "people".

   Jeanne
Ketzl's Dad - 11 Feb 2007 23:12 GMT
>>> On Feb 11, 2:390 >> MaryL <stanco...@yahoo.comtake-out-the-litter> wrote:
>>
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>
> Sherry

I wasn't here in December; I figured you for a nut job (apologies; I'm only
now learning of your contribution to the newsgroup and I guess to the world.)
But I did originally KF you because I saw you as a spammer; an unknown nym
with too many posts to be a valid member.

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Rhonda - 11 Feb 2007 22:36 GMT
>> I *was* cutting him some slack trying to explain that this is not
>> usual spam-stuff and that he *was* a group member. I was not aware
>> that he was giving up the website. I"m sure a number of *other* people
>> weren't aware, either. AFAIC, that's fine; but he could have bothered
>> to explain that.

>   I did.
>
>   Fully and completely in December.

Okay, that's not fair. Can you tell me what I posted 2 months ago, David?

Rhonda
David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 23:14 GMT
>David Stevenson wrote:
>>
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>
>Okay, that's not fair. Can you tell me what I posted 2 months ago, David?

  No, but I do not think you make regular informational posts, as I have
done for over ten years.  In the last lot I explained both that the
service was ending and why.

  I have repeated that post this time as well.

  But so what?  If you provided a service, and it ended, and I missed
the post describing the end, I would just think "too bad", not have a go
at you.

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Rhonda - 12 Feb 2007 02:49 GMT
>>>> I *was* cutting him some slack trying to explain that this is not
>>>> usual spam-stuff and that he *was* a group member. I was not aware
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> the post describing the end, I would just think "too bad", not have a go
> at you.

I will say this again -- it is not fair to expect people to remember a
post from 2 months ago, even if you walk on water and are posting the
ten commandments you just brought down from the mountain.

This is usenet, people come and go, pop on and off all of the time. Most
people will not know you or your 10-year history. I've been off and on
this group for a couple of years and I have no idea who you are.

You made an error in judgment in posting a ton of things all at once and
I think you would be a bigger man to admit it.

Rhonda
Christina Websell - 11 Feb 2007 23:03 GMT
> > It's not crossposted, but I agree there are far too many threads
> > in a short period of time... [snip] I would have been much more
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> going to keep happening. So why don't we cut him some slack? I am,
> anyway!

I did not have a problem with it and enjoyed the posts, because I am now on
broadband.  If I was still on dial-up, paying per minute to download I would
probably have a different view.

Tweed
David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 21:36 GMT
>> Massive cross posted spam
>>
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>had been spread over a number of days (or, better, a single message with
>links to separate articles, as Sherry suggested).

  They have been available on request for the last ten years or so. They
are no longer.  They are, *****of course,***** available on my Catpage
or General page.

  There is a limit to the amount of work I do as a volunteer.  It has
been very considerable for a long time.  Sure, instead of a four hours
work at one go, no doubt I could have spent an hour a day for a week,
but it seemed unsuitable.

  If people wish to have a go at me for a considerable amount of
voluntary work, perhaps it is a good thing I am giving some of it up.

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JBHajos - 11 Feb 2007 22:30 GMT
>You do realize, don't you, that by now you have been added to an
>enormous number of kill files, including mine.

  I'm sure you won't be missed.

>You no longer exist.

  Thank Bast David *does* exist.  He's one of the greatest.  In my
book, he's easily one of the best things that ever happened to RPCA.
I look forward to anything he has to say.  Thanks, Dave, for all
you've ever done here.

   Jeanne
David Stevenson - 11 Feb 2007 23:15 GMT
>On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:44:19 -0600, Ted Davis
><tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu> wrote:
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>I look forward to anything he has to say.  Thanks, Dave, for all
>you've ever done here.

  Thanks very much.  While, sadly, the informational posts will end, all
the information will remain on my website permanently, of course.  The
Storypage will improve over time: I have a lot of stories still to add.

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Susan M - 12 Feb 2007 17:58 GMT
>>   Thank Bast David *does* exist.  He's one of the greatest.  In my
>>book, he's easily one of the best things that ever happened to RPCA.
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> the information will remain on my website permanently, of course.  The
> Storypage will improve over time: I have a lot of stories still to add.

Thank you for your work David!

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