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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2007I don't wanna . . .
But I have to. I'm sick, it's freezing cold out there, we had several inches of snow today, but there is a big pile of bags containing used cat litter that are gonna HAVE to go NOW. Sniffle, sniffle, sigh, sigh. What I don't do for these furry ones (and my neighbors!). Ginger-lyn Getting up the energy to run to the trash and wishing cat litter was worth its weight in gold. > But I have to. I'm sick, it's freezing cold out there, we had several > inches of snow today, but there is a big pile of bags containing used [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Getting up the energy to run to the trash and wishing cat litter was > worth its weight in gold. I wish it was worth its weight in gold, too. We'd all be rich! kili -- http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini I read that you can put it in the compost bin (minus the poo which you are supposed to bury, this is in my Green handbook!) - I just can't face doing it though and the bin men have the delight instead of picking it up with the other rubbish and re-cycling every Wednesday! > But I have to. I'm sick, it's freezing cold out there, we had several > inches of snow today, but there is a big pile of bags containing used [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Getting up the energy to run to the trash and wishing cat litter was > worth its weight in gold. > I read that you can put it in the compost bin (minus the poo which you > are supposed to bury, this is in my Green handbook!) - I just can't > face doing it though and the bin men have the delight instead of > picking it up with the other rubbish and re-cycling every Wednesday! Is this true of clumping litter as well as the old-fashioned kind? I'll have to check whether this is true where I live. We have compost collection every week. They accept yard clippings, kitchen scraps, and waste paper that has food stains on it. Actually, they accept a lot of stuff that I would never mix in if I were doing my own backyard composting for my own garden, such as meat, bones and dairy. I think it's gross, and I never put that stuff into the compost garbage. But I'm sure many people do, and the city collects it all, brings it all to their composting facility, and later they sell it to farmers. And then the food I eat is grown in it! Who knows what people are throwing into those bins? I'm sure not everyone is concientious about it. But I'm going to check if kitty litter is acceptable. I don't remember anything about that, pro or con, in the information I received from the city when they started the program. Joyce > I'll have to check whether this is true where I live. We have compost > collection every week. They accept yard clippings, kitchen scraps, and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > anything about that, pro or con, in the information I received from the > city when they started the program. I put all the used litter in the compost bin, including poos. I wouldn't do it with a small compost at home, because kitty pee is fairly strong stuff, and a small compost might not be able top process it, but I'm sure the big municipal compost facilities are powerful enough to do so. I use a plant-based litter, which probably turns into soil quicker than a clay-based one. But we do put bones and meat and such in our compost on the island, and we get fine soil from it.  SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o185/frankiennikki/ http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > I put all the used litter in the compost bin, including poos. I would think that composted poop would be rather enriching to soil. > But we do put bones and meat and such in our compost on the island, and > we get fine soil from it. That's good to know! I still don't want to do it because it would make my whole house smell gross. I can go two weeks or more not emptying the little garbage pail I keep in the house, as long as it just contains things like veggie peelings, apple cores, lemon rinds, etc. I also don't put onion or garlic in it, unless I'm just about to empty it, because that'll stink up my house in a day. But with just the non-smelly veggies, fruit, and grains, it really doesn't smell, and doesn't even get very spoiled, although eventually it starts growing mold if I wait too long. Joyce > I read that you can put it in the compost bin (minus the poo which you > are supposed to bury, this is in my Green handbook!) - I just can't > face doing it though and the bin men have the delight instead of > picking it up with the other rubbish and re-cycling every Wednesday! Are you saying they recycle cat litter, in your part of the world? ;-) > > I read that you can put it in the compost bin (minus the poo which you > > are supposed to bury, this is in my Green handbook!) - I just can't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Are you saying they recycle cat litter, in your part of the > world? ;-) No, I mean my own private garden compost bin. They don't collect compost material (yet) in my borough. I read a book called Refuse, Reuse and Recycle and it said you can put it in your own compost, not sure why you can't put the poo in though. My ex told me if I get caught short when I'm at my allotment I can always pee in the compost bin, I can't face doing that either! I'm afraid that my cat litter just gets put (in bags) in with the normal rubbish, not the recycling box. > No, I mean my own private garden compost bin. They don't collect > compost material (yet) in my borough. I read a book called Refuse, > Reuse and Recycle and it said you can put it in your own compost, not > sure why you can't put the poo in though. Don't quote me on this, but I suspect it's to do with not introducing Toxoplasma organisms into the human food chain by way of using cat (or dog) poo in compost. Toxoplasma organisms do not appear in urine but do appear in faeces. Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield > Don't quote me on this, but I suspect it's to do with not introducing > Toxoplasma organisms into the human food chain by way of using cat (or > dog) poo in compost. Toxoplasma organisms do not appear in urine but do > appear in faeces. Feces from carnivores in particular? Certainly we grow food in manure that comes from herbivores, although in most cases, it's been treated first. But I don't know much about what needs to be done to make manure usable as fertilizer. Joyce > Feces from carnivores in particular? Certainly we grow food in manure > that comes from herbivores, although in most cases, it's been treated > first. But I don't know much about what needs to be done to make manure > usable as fertilizer. I'm not sure about carnivores in general, TBH, but certainly dogs and cats can carry Toxoplasma which can then be transmitted to humans via the faeces. Hence the OP seeing advice not to use it in compost, to lower the risk of this occurring, or the parasite residing in earth around veggies, etc. I think herbivore manure is pretty much OK to use. I found this PDF guide via Google - may be useful? (watch the line wrap) <http://www.south-norfolk.gov.uk/environment/media/home_composting_guide .pdf> Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield > > Don't quote me on this, but I suspect it's to do with not introducing > > Toxoplasma organisms into the human food chain by way of using cat (or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > first. But I don't know much about what needs to be done to make manure > usable as fertilizer. I'm not sure why carnivore faeces are a no-no for the compost heap but they are. When I had a lot of dogs I used to collect their poo every day and put it in a large bin that had water in it. Once a week I used to lift up the lid I have as a direct route to the sewer and pour it in. Since KFC has needed a litter box, this goes into a plastic bag and into the main refuse bin. The poo from the chickens when I clean them out goes on to the compost heap. It rots down into beautiful soil (dirt) that I can dig into my garden. My uncle, who has no access to this sort of stuff, covets the chicken manure. When he visits, he takes sacks of it home for his allotment. When his fellow allotment-holders ask him why his broc is so good he says "I have no idea.." Tweed >>>Don't quote me on this, but I suspect it's to do with not introducing >>>Toxoplasma organisms into the human food chain by way of using cat (or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed I always thought it was because carnivore feces contain components that tend to kill the plants! (Although, if that were true, countries where "night soil" - human waste - is used as fertilzer would not have good yields, so there'd be no need for warning foreign visitors not to eat raw produce there.) > > Don't quote me on this, but I suspect it's to do with not introducing > > Toxoplasma organisms into the human food chain by way of using cat (or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joyce Depends upon where you live, and how "organically oriented" you are - The small family farms of my childhood simply collected from the barn and spread on the fields! (Worked fine, SFAIK - but then humans hadn't yet screwed up their immune systems with excessive use of antibiotics, nor did they regularly dose their animals with foreign substances to "improve" milk yield, etc.) >Feces from carnivores in particular? Certainly we grow food in manure >that comes from herbivores, although in most cases, it's been treated >first. But I don't know much about what needs to be done to make manure >usable as fertilizer. You need to heat the manure especially to kill plant seeds. Composting can do it, but commercial operators often use ovens. When I was a child we got some manure that hadn't composted long enough and petunias came up everywhere. You have to wonder where the cows had been grazing. Bud SignatureThe night is just the shadow of the Earth. >> > I read that you can put it in the compost bin (minus the poo which you >> > are supposed to bury, this is in my Green handbook!) - I just can't [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >just gets put (in bags) in with the normal rubbish, not the recycling >box. As far as I understand it, putting cat faeces (and dog faeces for that matter) into the compost bin is discouraged because of parasites - particularly things like hydatids in dogs and toxoplasmosis in cats, which can go into a dormant phase for *long* periods of time before re-activating (thus having the potential to infect you when you're handling the mature compost). Not all compost bins (mine included) get up to the temperature required to kill such pathogens (something like 60 deg C). The pathogens are not transmitted via urine. Tish >>But I have to. I'm sick, it's freezing cold out there, we had several >>inches of snow today, but there is a big pile of bags containing used [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>Getting up the energy to run to the trash and wishing cat litter was >>worth its weight in gold. Purrs and gentle headbuts, Ginger-lyn, that you are feeling better in no time. Take care of yourself. Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus Much the same problem in western NYS. I've got a couple service calls to attend, and it's +4f out there. I think that's about -17C, but can't remember for sure. I drove about 45 minutes to meet with someone who called (after I left) to cancell. SignatureChristopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. . > Ginger-lyn wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Ginger-lyn > But I have to. I'm sick, it's freezing cold out there, we had several > inches of snow today, but there is a big pile of bags containing used cat > litter that are gonna HAVE to go NOW. > > Sniffle, sniffle, sigh, sigh. What I don't do for these furry ones (and > my neighbors!). Firstly, I hope you will feel a lot better soon, Ginger-lyn. I'm recovering from the cold from hell too. Secondly, until KFC got CRF there were no litterboxes in this house. They had the great outside. Since her CRF, despite litter boxes upstairs and down there are some piddles on carpets nearby. She does try to be clean but she can't alway quite manage it. Doesn't matter too much really, I went through this with my old dogs and replaced the carpet. I could do this again for KFC if I had to. I expect to be incontinent myself if I get to be as old as she is. Tweed > Firstly, I hope you will feel a lot better soon, Ginger-lyn. I'm recovering > from the cold from hell too. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tweed {{{{Tweed}}}} You feel better soon, too. Poor KFC. Cosmo is also CRF, but he isn't the one that "misses" -- that's Brando, the former feral, who once blocked, so I have to watch him like a hawk. I hope I'm never incontinent -- the idea of having to wear adult diapers isn't something I look forward to! Ginger-lyn >> Firstly, I hope you will feel a lot better soon, Ginger-lyn. I'm >> recovering from the cold from hell too. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ginger-lyn Nor me. I once went into a nearby warehouse. There was a huge sign that said "Incontinental Pads - Adult Nappies" !! Presumably suitable for all over the world ;-) <g> Tweed
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