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O.T. -  "Sleep Number" bed owners?

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 27 Oct 2004 17:15 GMT
Does anyone here have one?  My present mattress is twenty
years old, so I must replace it with something.  The sleep
number bed seems ideal for my back problems, but they ARE
awfully expensive, so I want to be sure before I invest in
one.  I know some of you have orthopaedic problems,
arthritis, etc., and they are advertised as helpful for such
things, so I was wondering if anyone here could give me
first-hand information about these beds, and how well they
survive in a feline-oriented household.

I think the air-chambers are well enough covered so I'd not
have to worry about kitty claws puncturing them (as they
have more than one camping-style air mattress).  However,
there's a sort of compressor that sits on the floor, with
plastic air-hoses attached.  The hoses are pretty thick -
more like a garden hose than a thin plastic tube - but I'm
wondering how well they survive in a catty household.

Do your cats leave them alone?  Have you come up with any
way to "cat-proof" them?  If I don't have to worry about the
effect the cat might have on it, I'd really like one -
there's a twenty-year guarantee, and people I've spoken with
who have one swear by them.  However, none of them have
cats!  May I have your input, please?

Evelyn
James Horn - 27 Oct 2004 22:15 GMT
We enjoy ours (the queen sized top of the line).  The hoses have yet to be
touched.  I've had to repair the electric cord to one of the controllers
though - Kelly had chewed it to destruction.

Jim (home to Shrimp, Chuchu, Sonny, Dawn, Midnight, Leo, Tommy, Flame,
Kelly, Stormy, Cookie, Sam, Pillow, Chance, Tippy, Spirit, Noah, Spooks,
Cathell and Cramer)
Christine Burel - 27 Oct 2004 23:35 GMT
> We enjoy ours (the queen sized top of the line).  The hoses have yet to be
> touched.  I've had to repair the electric cord to one of the controllers
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> Kelly, Stormy, Cookie, Sam, Pillow, Chance, Tippy, Spirit, Noah, Spooks,
> Cathell and Cramer)

Wow!  You have quiet a collection of cats -- any photos perhaps?
Christine (who has Omar, Oreo, Midnight (!), Robin & Tucker)
James Horn - 02 Nov 2004 01:45 GMT
> Wow!  You have quiet a collection of cats -- any photos perhaps?
> Christine (who has Omar, Oreo, Midnight (!), Robin & Tucker)

Lotsa photos but not on the Web yet.  You can see our original pride and
joy, Duffy, at:

ftp://ftp.svn.net/pub/users/jimhorn/Duffy.JPG

He was half Somali and half Scottish Wildcat.  Friends who had leopards
and such referred to *him* as the "cat from Hell".  He lived to over 15,
the last 7+ years with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and was why Cardizem CD
is often prescribed for that.  A wonderful guy whom we miss dearly.  
Fierce and impossible for others, he was self assured and affectionate
with us.

Best to all!

Jim
Karen Chuplis - 02 Nov 2004 05:24 GMT
>> Wow!  You have quiet a collection of cats -- any photos perhaps?
>> Christine (who has Omar, Oreo, Midnight (!), Robin & Tucker)
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>
> Jim

Wowee. Gorgeous.
Christine Burel - 03 Nov 2004 02:10 GMT
What a beautiful cat! I'd love to hear more about Duffy and your other
kitties.
Christine

> > Wow!  You have quiet a collection of cats -- any photos perhaps?
> > Christine (who has Omar, Oreo, Midnight (!), Robin & Tucker)
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>
> Jim
James Horn - 05 Nov 2004 01:15 GMT
> What a beautiful cat! I'd love to hear more about Duffy and your other
> kitties.
> > > Christine (who has Omar, Oreo, Midnight (!), Robin & Tucker)

You might like to know that we rescued a pair of barn cats from the county
pound as they were about to be destroyed.  One is a cloudy coated copper
eyed beauty with a strong voice - "Stormy".  Her classic tuxedo sister is
"Cookie", named after Oreos.  Both are very inquisitive, affectionate, and
mother all the other cats.

About July 2003 we were driving very late when we screeched to a halt in
the dark - a tiny black and white kitten was just sitting in the middle of
a country road near us.  When we got out to investigate, she ran to an
abandoned egg hatchery - and halfway up its brick wall (!).  Then she ran
straight at our car where my wife, Celeste, talked to her and soon had her
purring in her arms.  With the mostly black coat (and white puff on the
chest) plus the time we found her, she was named "Midnight".  While put
off having to deal with other cats at our home at first, she settled right
in and often jumps / climbs up to my back as I enter the house, riding
around on my shoulders to survey her domain.

So many kitties, so many stories (Chuchu came back with us from Kazakhstan
with the four children we adopted last December - but that's another
story).

Jim and the tribe
mlbriggs - 05 Nov 2004 01:51 GMT
>> What a beautiful cat! I'd love to hear more about Duffy and your other
>> kitties.
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>
> Jim and the tribe

We are eager to hear all of your stories.  MLB
Karen Chuplis - 05 Nov 2004 03:08 GMT
>> What a beautiful cat! I'd love to hear more about Duffy and your other
>> kitties.
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>
> Jim and the tribe

Oh I want to hear that one!!
James Horn - 05 Nov 2004 19:47 GMT
OK - regarding Chuchu...

We met three wonderful children in August 2001 who were visiting the US as
guests of Kidsave International who was trying to find them an adoptive
family.  They captured our hearts and we started the adoption process.  In
December 2002 we learned that they had a younger half sister who we added
to the process.  Finally, in November 2003 we travelled to Karaganda,
Kazakstan to finish the adoption of Maxim (now 13), Boolat (now Richard,
10), Sveta (now Katie, 7) and Zarina (now Teresa, 4).

While there we spent 6 weeks in an apartment in Karaganda on the 4th floor
of a Soviet era 5 story walk-up concrete building.  We delighted in being
with and caring for our new children who stayed with us from our arrival.  
We also got to see much of the city and its culture together.

But after living with our many cats (and three dogs and four donkeys), the
lack of animal company was obvious.

Shortly after arriving, one evening I heard a plaintive and insistent
meowing outside our apartment's reinforced steel door.  On looking into
the stairwell outside it, I noted a small black cat in the cold (down to
-30C / -25F while we were there).  I put a plate of some extra food out
for it which it obviously enjoyed.  Soon it would come into the entry of
the apartment and explore us, allowing some petting but she was leery of
the children.  She was relatively tiny and black with just a small little
puff of white in the middle of her chest.

I found a source of cat food at a local market (Whiskas - but all the text
on the box was in Russian).  She not only preferred it but one day left a
huge warm mound of her opinion in front of a nearby apartment that left
her a plate of fish tails.  She also made more frequent forays into our
apartment, exploring every part of it and often taking an extended nap on
someone's lap, purring happily.

It wasn't long that she was staying in the apartment full time.  We found
a litter box and litter along with other standard supplies (thank heavens
for the tiny pet supply shop at the "Zoom" market!).  We named her Chuchu
which is close to the Russian for "a little bit".

But it would be cruel to dump her back outside when we left.  And the
children were attached to her (as were we).  So a friend led us to the
best veterinarian in town who gave her a complete medical exam and shots
while apologizing for the costs involved - about US$7.50 total(!).

After the required 15 days after the shots were given, we returned to the
vet again for the international passport and health certificates (about
US$5 total).  An hour at the local government office produced the rest of
the paperwork needed.  And a call to Lufthansa revealed that we could take
her home on my ticket in an underseat carrier just like a handbag.  If I
paid them $150 for the privledge.  Which I did.

During all this, we had the successful adoption court hearing (photo of us
at http://www.svn.net/jimhorn - sorry the page is so out of date).  
Celeste fell on the icy sidewalks and broke both legs at the ankles.  She
returned to the US early to have the medical care - and four hour surgery
- to deal with the fractures and complications.  And the four children,
Chuchu and I flew to Almaty, the former capital, to finish the paperwork
and such to be able to come home.

During the week in Almaty, Chuchu came into heat.  I had the pleasure (??)
of having her wailing and calling in the middle of the night when we were
trying to sleep.  I was firmly reminded of why all our cats are neutered /
spayed...

Finally with medical exams for the children and interviews at the US
Consulate there done, we had our paperwork.  Due to a national holiday and
Christmas, all this ended up taking weeks longer than expected.  But off
to the airport where our guide / translator / friend Nick breezed us
through Lufthansa check-in, security, customs, and so on.  Right up
until...

The bomb dropped.  We were suddenly told that Chuchu's paperwork was "not
in order" as it had been prepared more than three days before the flight.  
I pointed out that the folks who prepared it knew when we would leave and
filled it out accordingly.  But we were stronly informed that it wasn't
correct and Chuchu would have to stay - with or without us.

We were polite but very upset - we weren't about to just abandon her at
Almaty's airport!  Nick agreed to take care of her for a month, get the
paperwork redone, and send her back with the next American family to come
through - a month later (and they were from Alaska!).  We were making all
these arrangements while the jet filled with its passengers without us and
was getting ready to leave.

Suddenly Nick was called away.  He soon returned and asked how important
it was to us that we take Chuchu with us - and how much cash did I have?  
When I told him I had several hundred US dollars, he took $200 and soon
returned with the news that the official in charge would override the
problems.

Sure enough, we went back through the final inspection, were told Chuchu's
paperwork was not in order - when suddenly a uniformed official appeared
and told the inspector that everything was fine.  We said our brief but
sincere farewells to Nick and boarded the plane.

Chuchu travelled in her tiny carrier just fine.  At transfer in Frankfurt,
Germany, I peeked in her carrier to see how she was doing.  She purred and
happily climbed into my arms while I verified that her carrier was still
clean.  The children all begged to hold her but I declined, not wanting to
have to chase a cat through Germany if one let her go.

All was fine until I moved to put her back in the carrier.  .  She
immediately turned into a yowling, scratching and biting blur while I held
on tight and finally got her into the carrier and the top closed.  The
childrens. eyes were even wider than mine when they saw the blood and
damage on my hand (over 30 scratches and punctures from her claws and
teeth).

But in she went.  I ran off to a washroom to clean the many wounds and
staunch the bleeding.  Soon we were together again awaiting our next
flight.

But first through security to meet US requirements.  As we waited in line
to use the X-ray system for carry-on items and the metal detector, a
second line was opened and I was shooed through it while the children went
through the first.  As I was picking up my things at the end of the second
system, the security people in the first line suddenly asked me in a
disapproving voice if I would send one of my children through the X-ray.  
Of course not, I replied.  Well then, they said, why had I allowed the
children to put Chuchu.s carrier through the machine?  I suspect they were
embarrassed that they had insisted that the children put their carry-ons
on the conveyor without first checking to see if they should do so.  Their
display showed a fine radiograph of our poor cat's skeleton.  But she
didn't seem to be concerned about it.

Again, like Midnight and others I was worried how she would deal with the
cats already at home.  They've gotten along beautifully.  I often suspect
that she knows she's survived the just-south-of-Siberia winters so
anything here is a cakewalk.

She's seldom seen at night anymore as she's usually snuggled in one of the
childrens' beds.  We really cherish all five of our Kazak treasures!  
She's grown less skinny but still keeps a healthy weight.  All four
children are growing rapidly.  Maxim, who is deaf, received a cochlear
implant last month and had it turned on just yesterday.  He is now
delightedly going around hearing everything he can - and we are all
speechless at that blessing.  And so many other changes I could tell.  But
I don't mean to weary you with more for now.

Jim (proud dad)
Annie Wxill - 06 Nov 2004 00:05 GMT
> OK - regarding Chuchu...
..>
> Jim (proud dad)

What a touching story, and with a happy ending, too. Thank you for sharing.

Congratulations to you and to your family.

Annie
Tish Silberbauer - 06 Nov 2004 12:12 GMT
A beautiful story Jim - brought tears to my eyes; what you and Celeste
have done for the kids and Chuchu.
Tish

>> OK - regarding Chuchu...
>..>
>> Jim (proud dad)
Jo Firey - 06 Nov 2004 00:19 GMT
You cannot know how much good it did my heart to read your post.  My now
adult children are adopted, one from Korea.  I have a huge soft spot for
animals and what we will go thru for their sake, which is why I'm on the
group.  And I am going deaf and will soon be scheduled for an implant.  I'd
been having a generally rough day, but now I'm thinking of you and your
family and sniffing happy tears.

Jo
> OK - regarding Chuchu...
>
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>
> Jim (proud dad)
James Horn - 06 Nov 2004 01:41 GMT
> You cannot know how much good it did my heart to read your post.  My now
> adult children are adopted, one from Korea.  I have a huge soft spot for
> animals and what we will go thru for their sake, which is why I'm on the
> group.  And I am going deaf and will soon be scheduled for an implant.  I'd
> been having a generally rough day, but now I'm thinking of you and your
> family and sniffing happy tears.

> Jo

My pleasure, Jo!  Best to you with your surgery - I got to talk to a 56
year old gent here who has gotten that and he's amazing.  You'd never know
he had it to talk to him as he listens and talks just like there was no
problem.  Amazing and wonderful!

And all our best to you and your family too -

Jim
Enfilade - 06 Nov 2004 14:52 GMT
> You cannot know how much good it did my heart to read your post.  My now
> adult children are adopted, one from Korea.  I have a huge soft spot for
> animals and what we will go thru for their sake, which is why I'm on the
> group.  And I am going deaf and will soon be scheduled for an implant.  I'd
> been having a generally rough day, but now I'm thinking of you and your
> family and sniffing happy tears.

What a wonderful outcome, for the two of you, your four children, and Chuchu!

--Fil
Karen Chuplis - 06 Nov 2004 03:02 GMT
What a marvelous story! And what a fine family you have :)
Tanada - 06 Nov 2004 04:52 GMT
> Shortly after arriving, one evening I heard a plaintive and insistent
> meowing outside our apartment's reinforced steel door.  On looking into
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> the children.  She was relatively tiny and black with just a small little
> puff of white in the middle of her chest.

You're so blessed and so is your family.  Thanks for both wonderful
stories and welcome to the group.

Pam, Rob, and the Fayetteville Seven + Smokey or whatever his name is
and Speedy the d-thing
Adrian - 06 Nov 2004 15:54 GMT
> OK - regarding Chuchu...

<snip>

That was a beautiful story, thanks for sharing.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.

SUQKRT - 06 Nov 2004 21:26 GMT
>OK - regarding Chuchu...
>
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>
>Jim (proud dad)

What an adventure, you're a major catlover to go through that. Oh the joys of
Beauracracy!
Suz
Macmoosette
Thank Heavens There's Only One
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Waiting for inspiration. Please hold while I contemplate my navel.

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Jean Hobbs - 20 Nov 2004 10:16 GMT
Oh James what a wonderful story, and what good people you and your
wife must beyou sign off as proud Dad but my goodness, I think this whole
group must be extremely proud of you both, the very best to you and your
family, and your cats  Jean.P. a very proud groupie.

> OK - regarding Chuchu...
>
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>
> Jim (proud dad)
James Horn - 29 Nov 2004 23:27 GMT
Good heavens, thank you all for the nice replies.  We're blessed beyond
measure with our four wonderful children - and our twenty kitties - and
two dogs, four donkeys, two guinea pigs....

We really enjoyed Thanksgiving which was one year to the day from the
court's approval of the adoption.  It was nice to make (and eat!) the
traditional turkey dinner rather than potatoes, cabbage, and such.  At
home, not 6300 miles away.

Best wishes to all on the group for a fine Holiday season from us all!

Jim Horn and his tribe.
Christine Burel - 27 Oct 2004 23:33 GMT
We've had a Select Comfort bed for about 5 years and it's the nicest gift DH
and I ever got for ourselves -- I can't say enough good things about how
comfortable they are -- I'd never go back to a regular bed.  The beds are
really sturdy and I don't think you'll have to worry about cats puncturing
them -- you can always get whatever pillowtop mattress cushion you want,
too.  The only punctures problems we've had were when Midnight was first new
in the household and was trying to dominate Shetra; she knew she couldn't
get away with going after Shetra so she bit the air hoses.  We got
replacements from the company (to the accompaniment of much laughter on the
phone when we told them why we needed replacements) without any
problem--wasn't expensive; also Midnight has left them alone.
Christine
> Does anyone here have one?  My present mattress is twenty
> years old, so I must replace it with something.  The sleep
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>
> Evelyn
Jo Firey - 28 Oct 2004 05:53 GMT
here is where we got ours

a bit cheaper and we love it

no problem with cats  they like it too

http://tinyurl.com/6c6b7

jo

> Does anyone here have one?  My present mattress is twenty years old, so I
> must replace it with something.  The sleep number bed seems ideal for my
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>
> Evelyn
O J - 28 Oct 2004 17:25 GMT
EvelynVogtGamble wrote:

>My present mattress is twenty
>years old, so I must replace it with something.  The sleep
>number bed seems ideal for my back problems, but they ARE
>awfully expensive, so I want to be sure before I invest in
>one.

I need to keep both my trunk elevated (GERD) and my feet elevated
(edema in my lower extremities) when I sleep, so my situation isn't
typical, but let me suggest you look into a mechanical bed before
making a final decision.  My back is only very rarely stiff when I
wake up and there are some models available at reasonable prices if
you shop around.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Oct 2004 02:06 GMT
> EvelynVogtGamble wrote:
>
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> wake up and there are some models available at reasonable prices if
> you shop around.

Thanks for the suggestion, but unlike you I HATE "elevated"
beds, and always find sleep difficult if my body is not on a
level.  The best sleep I've enjoyed in recent years has been
on trips to Europe, where the hotel mattresses seem to be
EXTRA firm, and you can snuggle into a down comforter in a
duvet cover that's not tucked under the mattress.

At present I have a platform bed (no box-spring), and my
inner-spring mattress was fine when new, but it has softened
with the years.  When I tried the sleep-number bed in the
store, my number was about 70 (and I suspect I might like it
even firmer in actual use).  It's soft beds that are a
problem for me.  I'd have no difficulty with a sleeping bag
and air mattress on the floor, If I could get DOWN there
anymore!  One big advantage of the sleep number is that you
can change the degree of firmness at will - you're not
locked into it.  (They do HAVE adjustable bed-bases for
those who like them - but it's the revolutionary mattress
concept that interests me.)
Linda Terrell - 29 Oct 2004 16:45 GMT

> Thanks for the suggestion, but unlike you I HATE "elevated"
> beds, and always find sleep difficult if my body is not on a
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> those who like them - but it's the revolutionary mattress
> concept that interests me.)

I got a sleep number bed last February.  Love it.  I sleep
at #100 because of my back.  Rarely wake sore.

LT

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