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YIKES!!!!! Not Your Ususal Monday Morning Before Work

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bonbon - 27 Oct 2004 17:16 GMT
Monday morning, I walked out the front door, down the short walk way
to the driveway to get my keys out of the ignition of the truck, and
go back to lock the front door.  I locked the door, went back to the
truck, petting Big'Ead, who was on the walk way (Big'Ead is our
recently adopted recentl;y ex-tom, who still stays outside/in garage
until he starts taking his litter box more seriously) got to the
truck, and remembered I wanted to take my swim suit to work with me,
so I could take a dip in the pool after work.  So I headed back to the
front door, again stopping to pet Big'Ead, who seemed more interested
in something next to the walk way than me petting him.  I came back
out the front door with my swimsuit, locked the door, and there
Big'Ead was, even more interested in something next to the walk way,
so I decided, while bending to pat him on the head once more to glance
over at what this mysterious thing may be that he was so interested
in.  And there, inches away from us was a full grown, adult Water
Moccasin aka Cotton Mouth Snake, poised and ready to strike.  My heart
almost stopped I pretty sure.  I immediately shoved Big'Ead away, and
screamed NO!!! at him, and he came right back, because, well, because
he's a cat, and he's a cat with an agenda.  I slowly moved away from
the snake, that was literally inches away from me, and grabbed 'Ead,
and shoved him under the slightly propped open garage door, and
shouted NO!!!!! at him again.  

I knew I couldn't leave for work with that snake and Big'Ead
interested in it, couldn't shut the garage door with 'Ead in there,
since it's Houston, Texas where I live and the heat would probably
kill him.  So, I very carefully walked to the front door once more,
putting as much room as I had between myself and the snake, who didn't
miss a single movement from any direction by anything, and came back
out with the squirt bottle.  Of course, there 'Ead was again, ready to
take a swat at the intruder, and I quickly, from the porch squirted
him with water, which didn't even phase him, until about the 10th
squirt.  'Ead went to the corner of the house, where he could still
watch, but out of reach of the squirt bottle, and I started squirting
the snake, trying to make it leave.  Didn't work.  The snake wasn't
going anywhere.  So I reluctantly went back inside and came back out
with my 9 shot .22 revolver in one hand, the squirt bottle in the
other.  

I again, for about what? the 6th time or so, walked past the snake,
who was getting more pissed by the minute, because I wasn't even going
to shoot towards the neighbors house, even possibly hitting 'Ead if he
came around the corner of the house,   So, with my left hand, I
squirted at Big'Ead, to keep him over by the garage door, and with the
pistol in my right, reluctantly, and nervously shot the snake.  (I've
never shot a critter in my life, nor would I normally)   The first
shot found it's target, but it didn't instantly kill the snake, so I
shot it again.  Then had a neighbor come over and put it into the bed
of the truck.

I feel just terrible about all of this.  It's certainly not the snakes
fault that it was born a venomous snake, but I could NOT go to work,
leaving Big'Ead there interested in it.  I hope I did the right thing,
because I sure feel crappy.:((

-bonbon
Kreisleriana - 27 Oct 2004 17:26 GMT
>Monday morning, I walked out the front door, down the short walk way
>to the driveway to get my keys out of the ignition of the truck, and
>go back to lock the front door.

YIKES indeed!  I hope Big'Ead knows he's so well looked-after.  Too
bad about the snake, I'd feel bad about it too, but you did the right
thing.

Pardon me, though, for giggling at the mental picture of you with the
gun in one hand, and the squirt bottle in the other.  

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Sherry - 27 Oct 2004 18:08 GMT
>I again, for about what? the 6th time or so, walked past the snake,
>who was getting more pissed by the minute, because I wasn't even going
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>
> -bonbon

Yeah, you did the right thing. I know what you mean though, I hate to have to
kill any living creature. Very lucky that B'Ead didn't get bitten. Or you.
Also very scary that the snake ended up at your house....I naively thought they
stayed around water.
DH's sister was trudging through a pile of leaves couple weeks ago and stepped
on a copperhead, which was the same color of the leaves, she didn't see it. She
recovered okay, but was awfully sick for a while. Poisonous snakes are nothing
to take chances with.

Sherry

Sherry
Jeanne Hedge - 27 Oct 2004 18:25 GMT
>>I again, for about what? the 6th time or so, walked past the snake,
>>who was getting more pissed by the minute, because I wasn't even going
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>recovered okay, but was awfully sick for a while. Poisonous snakes are nothing
>to take chances with.

We have cottonmouths and copperheads around where I grew up. I'd heard
so many horror stories as a kid (99.9% totally untrue) I was almost
phobic about going for a walk in the woods or along the banks of a
lake.

And then you watch that Crocodile Hunter guy on TV (especially the
"Crocodile Hunter Diaries" program), and they're all like "oh, there's
a python in your chicken house? we'll be right there to get it ma'am."
no big deal...  "oh, there's an extremely poisonous Taipan in your
garage? we'll be right there to get it sir" lalalala...   no big
deal...  what practical joke can I play on my co-worker while we're
dumping this snake into a pillowcase.....

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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Kreisleriana - 27 Oct 2004 22:06 GMT
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:25:53 -0500, Jeanne Hedge <jhedge@rcn.com>

>And then you watch that Crocodile Hunter guy on TV

I am waiting for a croc to take a great big bite out of that guy's
butt.  If you were a croc, and you saw legs like that guy's running
around in short shorts, what would you think?  I would think "Dinner
*and* leftovers."

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Yoj - 27 Oct 2004 18:21 GMT
You did the only thing you could do, and the fact that you feel bad
about it shows that you are a good person.

--
Joy

"You can never do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it
will be too late." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

> Monday morning, I walked out the front door, down the short walk way
> to the driveway to get my keys out of the ignition of the truck, and
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>
>  -bonbon
Irulan - 27 Oct 2004 19:18 GMT
sheesh, that would have scared the beejeesus outa me, bonbon. I hate snakes.
Not for anything they do or are, it's just that I get the creepies when I
see snakes.
You were very brave, and Big 'Ead was one lucky cat. Good for you.
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> Monday morning, I walked out the front door, down the short walk way
> to the driveway to get my keys out of the ignition of the truck, and
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
> -bonbon
Christina Websell - 27 Oct 2004 20:28 GMT
<big snip>
,> over by the garage door, and with the
> pistol in my right, reluctantly, and nervously shot the snake.  (I've
> never shot a critter in my life, nor would I normally)   The first
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -bonbon

You did the right thing.  I once had to do something I felt really bad about
myself.
I'd tried everything, traps etc, to control the rats under the poultry
sheds, and reluctantly had to use poison as the rats were eating through any
woodwork they could find, and eating chicks.
So - I laid poison down - and it wasn't many days before I went down to shut
up my chickens and heard a sort of wailing noise.  It was four baby rats
coming out from under the huts - hungry of course, because I'd obviously
killed their mother, and their eyes weren't even open.

I felt *so* bad about it.  I brought them up to the house in a big flower
pot and was all set to hand rear them. (Don't ask me why, guilt, I suppose.)
I had a friend there at the time and she looked in the flower pot.  "What
are they??" -  "Young rats, I think I killed their mother"
"So?"
"Well, they'll die without their mother, they'll starve."
"So? and don't even think about trying to rear vermin."

I thought about it, and reluctantly had to agree that she was right.  I had
to think what to do with them.  I could have put the flower pot in the field
behind my house and tried to forget about them as they starved to death.  I
just couldn't do that.
This is awful, and don't read any further if you're very sensitive. (back to
top)

I did a dreadful thing.   I took each young rat by the tail, stunned it by
hitting its head on a brick, and dropped it into water to drown while it was
unconscious. They were very small, their eyes weren't open even.
I still remember it, and it sort of makes me ashamed.  I didn't know what
else to do.  Was I wrong?

Tweed
Margaret Fine - 27 Oct 2004 22:10 GMT
> <big snip>
> ,> over by the garage door, and with the
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>
> Tweed

My personal opinion is that you were humane.  Much better to dispatch
them quickly then to let them starve.

A friend told me that the "proper" way to euthanize something like that
is to soak a rag in turpentine or paint thiner and then put the animal
in a bag with the rag.  The paint thinner supposedly makes them feel
"high" and kills them pretty quickly.  I don't know about the mechanism
but it might be easier on you if you ever have to do it again.

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Steve Touchstone - 28 Oct 2004 02:51 GMT
<snip>
>I still remember it, and it sort of makes me ashamed.  I didn't know what
>else to do.  Was I wrong?

I don't think you were wrong. Unless you were prepared to raise them
and keep them as pets (I've known people who've had pet mice/rats and
loved them) there wasn't much else you could do. It's sort of like my
first reply about snakes. Snakes, including venomous ones, fill a spot
in nature. That doesn't mean I want to watch where I step when I'm out
in the garden. The rats were only doing what rats do, getting in and
eating the chicks, but you were also just doing what a human does by
trying to keep them away from the chicks.

Of course it probably doesn't need to be said, but I hope poison isn't
used anymore with BF and KFC on rat patrol.
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O J - 27 Oct 2004 21:09 GMT
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>I feel just terrible about all of this.  It's certainly not the snakes
>fault that it was born a venomous snake, but I could NOT go to work,
>leaving Big'Ead there interested in it.  I hope I did the right thing,
>because I sure feel crappy.:((

If you have a neighbor, you can't be too far out in the boonies.  You
did the right thing!  What if it had been a child instead of that
tomcat?  I have no doubt that had you seen that snake out in the wild,
you would have left him to his own devices, so don't feel bad about
this one.

Just a note, you might want to consider getting a small box of .22
shot shells and keeping one in the first chamber.
Steve Touchstone - 28 Oct 2004 02:51 GMT
<snip>
>Just a note, you might want to consider getting a small box of .22
>shot shells and keeping one in the first chamber.

Reminds me of a discussion years ago during a range safety class. The
captain giving the class asked how many of us had loaded guns at home.
I raised my hand, and when asked said what Dad always told me as a
kid, "the only unloaded gun is one you, personally, just unloaded and
cleared. Most accidently shootings happen when someone is handling an
"empty" gun." The Captain didn't really say anything during the class,
but afterwards approached me and told me my Dad was correct, and that
he would start including that in future classes.
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bonbon - 28 Oct 2004 08:58 GMT
>Just a note, you might want to consider getting a small box of .22
>shot shells and keeping one in the first chamber.

Is that the same as what they call bird shot?  If it is, I do have
some, just not sure where.   I rummaged around in my dresser drawers
for a few seconds looking for them, but to no avail,  And knowing 'Ead
was out there with that sucker, instead I just flipped open the
cylinder to see how many rounds were in it (9 Stingers) and headed for
the door.  Cussing.

If I'd been thinking clearly, I could have shoved 'Ead inside the
truck, and then maybe could have gotten a bit more creative in ways to
make the snake go away, but you know........woulda, shoulda, coulda,
oughta......

-bonbon
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Oct 2004 22:18 GMT
> ...there, inches away from us was a full grown, adult Water
> Moccasin aka Cotton Mouth Snake, poised and ready to strike...

[snip]

Tough decision, but you did the right thing. I would have felt
terrible about it, too, but you had to defend Big'Ead, and yourself,
too - you could have been bitten as well! The kitty obviously had
no idea what he was getting himself into. (Aren't all small animals
supposed to be *afraid* of snakes??)

It's great that you were prepared to deal with the snake.

Joyce
Annie Wxill - 28 Oct 2004 00:52 GMT
> I feel just terrible about all of this.  It's certainly not the snakes
> fault that it was born a venomous snake, but I could NOT go to work,
> leaving Big'Ead there interested in it.  I hope I did the right thing,
> because I sure feel crappy.:((
>
> -bonbon

I don't think you had any choice.  It must have been awful for you to have
to do it, but you were amazingly brave and resourceful under the
circumstances.  I think it would have been dangerous and foolish to do
anything else.
It would have been nice if you had a professional snake handler ready and
waiting to remove the snake and release it somewhere else, but it certainly
is not something an ordinary person should attempt.
Annie
Steve Touchstone - 28 Oct 2004 02:51 GMT
<snip>
> And there, inches away from us was a full grown, adult Water
>Moccasin aka Cotton Mouth Snake, poised and ready to strike.
<snip again>
>I feel just terrible about all of this.  It's certainly not the snakes
>fault that it was born a venomous snake, but I could NOT go to work,
>leaving Big'Ead there interested in it.  I hope I did the right thing,
>because I sure feel crappy.:((

Oh I know you can't help but wonder if it was right to kill the snake,
but I would have done the same thing in this case. Venomous snakes
fill an important niche in nature, but I certainly wouldn't feel
comfortable with one in my yard.

Don't forget that it's doubful that this was the only one around -
there may be others. One of the things we hoomins forget is that while
we often go about eliminating wildlife's habitat, in the case of
snakes, including venomous snakes, we sometimes create a very inviting
new habitat as we when landscape our yard.
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bonbon - 28 Oct 2004 08:46 GMT
Thanks to all who responded, telling me I did the right thing.  I
don't feel so guilty now.  I feel bad about the whole thing happening
in the first place, but you know, I guess sometimes it can be good
when life gives us a reality check.  I think about, 'what if the snake
had found the front walk way of the vacant house next door instead of
mine?  Chances are Big'Ead would have discovered it over there while I
was at work, and I hate to think of what would have resulted from
that.  Looking at it from that angle, you could even say we were lucky
the snake chose our front walk.

This whole snake shooting thing is certainly NOT the way I wanted to
introduce ourselves into our new neighborhood though (sigh).  I've
only met one family so far.

I'm anxious for the weekend to get here, so I can go inform the rest
of the families on the cul-de-sac to be on the look out, and suggest
maybe they give their kids a crash or brush up course in identifying
snakes
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Oct 2004 22:38 GMT
> This whole snake shooting thing is certainly NOT the way I wanted to
> introduce ourselves into our new neighborhood though (sigh).  I've
> only met one family so far.

LOL!! I don't mean to make light of the incident, but this does create
an amusing image in my mind, from your new neighbors' point of view.

> I'm anxious for the weekend to get here, so I can go inform the rest
> of the families on the cul-de-sac to be on the look out, and suggest
> maybe they give their kids a crash or brush up course in identifying
> snakes

Great idea!

Joyce
 
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