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Autumn is in full swing, and it's Rush Hour in my back yard. Birds all over. Squirrels bounding around, waving those outrageous tails! Both of them on the ground, rummaging around for food, making maddening rustle rustle noises. Stinky is on the sill, all aquiver. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > Autumn is in full swing, and it's Rush Hour in my back yard. Birds > all over. Squirrels bounding around, waving those outrageous tails! > Both of them on the ground, rummaging around for food, making > maddening rustle rustle noises. Stinky is on the sill, all aquiver. > Theresa I think what we have here is found poetry: - "RUSTLE RUSTLE RUMAGE RUMAGE" by Theresa Kreisleriana Autumn is in full swing, And it's Rush Hour In my back yard. Birds all over. Squirrels bounding around, Waving those outrageous tails! Both of them on the ground, Rummaging around for food, Making maddening Rustle rustle noises. Stinky is On the sill, All aquiver. Bobcat had something important to tell us on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:50:53 -0400: >> Autumn is in full swing, and it's Rush Hour in my back yard. Birds >> all over. Squirrels bounding around, waving those outrageous tails! [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >On the sill, >All aquiver. LOL! That makes a GREAT poem too :)  SignatureKaren AKA Kajikit Here kitty kitty kitty... visit http://www.catslaves.org! Come and visit my part of the web: Kajikit's Corner: http://www.kajikitscorner.com Allergyfree Eating Recipe Swap: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allergyfree_Eating Ample Aussies Mailing List: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ampleaussies/ >Bobcat had something important to tell us on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:50:53 >-0400: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >LOL! That makes a GREAT poem too :) Yeah! I'm a poet and didn't know it! Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > I think what we have here is found poetry: - > "RUSTLE RUSTLE RUMAGE RUMAGE" > by Theresa Kreisleriana > Autumn is in full swing, > And it's Rush Hour > In my back yard. > Birds all over. > Squirrels bounding around, > Waving those outrageous tails! > Both of them on the ground, > Rummaging around for food, > Making maddening > Rustle > rustle > noises. > Stinky is > On the sill, > All aquiver. Ha ha!! What a difference a line break makes! :) It's a good poem. Joyce >Autumn is in full swing, and it's Rush Hour in my back yard. Birds >all over. Squirrels bounding around, waving those outrageous tails! >Both of them on the ground, rummaging around for food, making I'm so jealous. We only have THREE squirrels. And they totally abandon us until after a freeze. Then they come around and eat out of the feeder. We own this empty lot in town, with a huge pecan tree on it. I have spent HOURS picking up pecans for the squirrel feeder, MORE HOURS picking grapes and dehydrating them for the squirrels, and am ready to call a peanut farmer friend to get the goobers for them. We have tons of trees, no dogs. I don't know why the squirrels snub us. What a bunch of ingrates. Sherry >>Autumn is in full swing, and it's Rush Hour in my back yard. Birds >>all over. Squirrels bounding around, waving those outrageous tails! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Sherry My brother has a so-called squirrel-proof bird feeder. He said five minutes after he put it up, the squirrels were "out in the yard, whipping out their tiny slide rules." ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >My brother has a so-called squirrel-proof bird feeder. He said five >minutes after he put it up, the squirrels were "out in the yard, >whipping out their tiny slide rules." ;) I remember watching Rosie O'Donnel talk about squirrels raiding her feeder (she even had video). IIRC, she got into hot water when she said she hated squirrels because they raided the feeders. We have LOTS of squirrels here, probably because we also have lots of huge pecan trees in the neighborhood. Probably because of all the pecans, including one which provides shade for the bird feeders, the squirrels leave the feeders alone. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html On Tue, 26 Oct, Theresa wrote: >Autumn is in full swing, and it's Rush Hour in my back yard. Birds >all over. Squirrels bounding around, waving those outrageous tails! >Both of them on the ground, rummaging around for food, making >maddening rustle rustle noises. Stinky is on the sill, all aquiver. People are right, that is poetry! I love Southern California but I was born in NYC and grew up in the suburbs. I miss Autumn, the colors, the leaves. Don't miss raking them all up though, and I'd probably break something if I jumped into a pile of leaves like I did when I was a kid, but when I was little you could still burn leaves to dispose of them -- the smell still lingers. Thanks for bringing back some good memories, O J >On Tue, 26 Oct, Theresa wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thanks for bringing back some good memories, >O J My brother is in a tree-lined suburb in MD, and he is even more up to his hiney in leaves than I am. Their darling one-year-old runs outside, sits down, and starts stuffing them in his mouth. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >On Tue, 26 Oct, Theresa wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > outside, sits down, and starts stuffing them in his mouth. ;) > Theresa My kid memories of autumn leaves include huge piles of them raked up by my father, and me leaping headlong into them. Also the smell of burning leaves at the curbsides - a lovely smell no matter what the anti-polluters say. You can't do that in Toronto any more, but up in Ontario's cottage country I still get occasional whiffs of it, and nostalgia kicks in. >> >On Tue, 26 Oct, Theresa wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >burning leaves at the curbsides - a lovely smell no matter what the >anti-polluters say. It still is a lovely smell, no doubt about it, and a damn sight less polluting than all kinds of other things that go into the air. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >It still is a lovely smell, no doubt about it, and a damn sight less >polluting than all kinds of other things that go into the air. Probably a lot more environmentally friendly than me with my vacuum/shredder. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > but when I was little you could still burn leaves to > dispose of them -- the smell still lingers. And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could burn them if I wanted to. Tweed > And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could burn > them if I wanted to. In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. Pollution, I think, is the main concern. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could burn >> them if I wanted to. > > In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. Pollution, > I think, is the main concern. So, would a neighbour report you or something? And if they did, who would come round to tell you off? Tweed > So, would a neighbour report you or something? And if they did, who would > come round to tell you off? Actually, a neighbor can report a fire and the firemen will show up. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> So, would a neighbour report you or something? And if they did, who would >> come round to tell you off? > > Actually, a neighbor can report a fire and the firemen will show up. So (and this seems so strange to me) you are not allowed to have a bonfire in your garden? Is that what you're saying: you cannot light a fire to burn garden refuse? I can hardly believe it. What are you supposed to do with it then? Tweed > So (and this seems so strange to me) you are not allowed to have a bonfire > in your garden? Is that what you're saying: you cannot light a fire to burn It depends. If it meets safety regulations (i.e. if it's in a container like a chimenea) it's ok. > garden refuse? I can hardly believe it. > What are you supposed to do with it then? You pack in big refuse bags that the city picks up to compost. :) SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >So, would a neighbour report you or something? And if they did, who would >come round to tell you off? It depends on where you are, but chances are a neighbor, or passerby, would call the fire department to report the smoke without checking on the cause. Course that's better than being in a neighborhood where you scream for help and not have someone dial 911. If burning was still common practice, though, passersby would probably not call in a report. As for around here, assuming a fire truck doesn't show up, you'd probably get a visit from a fire marshal or a county sherif deputy, depending on whether or not you were within city limits, either of which would probably present you a ticket. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >> In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. Pollution, >> I think, is the main concern. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Tweed Probably the city police would come around and write you a ticket. Same for popping fireworks. In the country you can do pretty much whatever you want to. The neighborhood we used to live in was pretty strict. You couldn't park on the grass, or have a non-operational vehicle unless it was garaged. You could not build a fence in the front. You could have a total of 4 pets. Your grass had to be no higher than a certain height. Usually the fine for any of these infractions was $100. Another neighborhood, much ritzier than ours, had a city ordinance that no pickup trucks were allowed unless garaged. Not even new ones! Sherry >infractions was $100. Another neighborhood, much ritzier than ours, had a city >ordinance that no pickup trucks were allowed unless garaged. Not even new ones! The local paper automotive section had a review of the new hummer pickup. I can just imagine the conversation, "sorry officer, but my $55,000 pickup doesn't fit in the three car garage" SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >>infractions was $100. Another neighborhood, much ritzier than ours, had a >city [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >pickup. I can just imagine the conversation, "sorry officer, but my >$55,000 pickup doesn't fit in the three car garage" ROFL! Are you familiar with Nichols Hills? Some guy with a brand new truck challenged the ordinance a while back, it was on the news. I don't know if they repealed it or not. Sherry >>>infractions was $100. Another neighborhood, much ritzier than ours, had a >>city [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >challenged the ordinance a while back, it was on the news. I don't know if they >repealed it or not. No, but I've heard about similar bans. Really doesn't make much sense these days, since so many people are spending big bucks for trucks and SUVs. Of course, a lot of the people buying those vehicles have no need for them, especially with today's gas prices. I was talking with a friend about that hummer PU yesterday, wondering how many people who one of those 4x4 monsters will ever put something in the bed and head off road. IIRC, the PU bed on the hummer is just a token anyway, too small to haul much of anything without removing a partition to the rear seats. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could burn >> them if I wanted to. > >In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. >Pollution, I think, is the main concern. Also too many people without enough sense to watch their fire and make sure it doesn't get out of control. Not really a good comparison, but reminds me of when "experts," who should have known better, started a controlled fire out in Los Alamos a while back. Weather conditions should have told them to wait. A huge forrest fire resulted, with lots of property damage. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could >> burn them if I wanted to. > > In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. > Pollution, I think, is the main concern. I find it amazing how many things are against the law in the land of the free. ;-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > I find it amazing how many things are against the law in the land of the > free. ;-) And don't get me started on those nazi-like home owner's associations that mandate how long your grass must be or even what color you must paint your house!!! SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I find it amazing how many things are against the law in the land of the >> free. ;-) > >And don't get me started on those nazi-like home owner's associations >that mandate how long your grass must be or even what color you must >paint your house!!! Let me guess, Victor-- Purple with lime-green trim ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> I find it amazing how many things are against the law in the land of the >> free. ;-) > >And don't get me started on those nazi-like home owner's associations >that mandate how long your grass must be or even what color you must >paint your house!!! Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think my sister lives within city limits. So it was probably a home owners association that had a ban on trucks in the drive way that I posted about out in California rather than a city ordinance. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think my sister lives > within city limits. So it was probably a home owners association that > had a ban on trucks in the drive way that I posted about out in > California rather than a city ordinance. It must have been. Can cities even do this? Whereas, a homeowners association is a private entity, and can have whatever rules they want, pretty much. Joyce > > Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think my sister lives > > within city limits. So it was probably a home owners association that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Joyce There was a city here who did, Joyce. I think cities can pass any ordinance, no matter how silly it is. We had a ban on dancing within city limits passed here in the early 70's, and it wasn't repealed until the mid-80's. Sherry > We had a ban on dancing within city limits passed here in the early > 70's, and it wasn't repealed until the mid-80's. Well, can you blame them? Look at all the stupid dances people did in the 70s! :) (Of course, the 80s weren't much better.) Joyce > > We had a ban on dancing within city limits passed here in the early > > 70's, and it wasn't repealed until the mid-80's. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Joyce ROFL!!! But, Joyce, problem is, I was a teenager then. So I never learned to dance. I blame this on the Town Council. Now I have to tell you this story. I went to see CATS, the broadway show. Of all the people in the entire theater, they pulled ME, on stage to dance. I can just imagine the whispers. (Who *is* that Amazing Rythmless Girl?) Sherry > ROFL!!! But, Joyce, problem is, I was a teenager then. So I never learned to > dance. I blame this on the Town Council. Now I have to tell you this story. I > went to see CATS, the broadway show. Of all the people in the entire theater, > they pulled ME, on stage to dance. I can just imagine the whispers. (Who *is* > that Amazing Rythmless Girl?) Aww! Poor Sherry! What a traumatic experience. I experienced something similar (though on a much smaller scale) when I was 8 or 9 years old, and my music teacher (the sister of a famous conductor) told me in front of half the school that I sing off-key. I haven't sung since. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >... when I was 8 or 9 years old, >and my music teacher (the sister of a famous conductor) told me in front >of half the school that I sing off-key. I haven't sung since. That woman had no business working with children. It's amazing that with all the teachers I had in grade school that I can't remember, one I do is Miss Brunner who's job it was to ruin children's enjoyment of music and singing. Most really young children enjoy singing. Witness all the nieces and nephews who'd launch into the alphabet song or "Little Teapot" at the drop of a hat. {{{{{{{Marina}}}}}}} Regards and Purrs, O J > ...when I was 8 or 9 years old, and my music teacher (the sister > of a famous conductor) told me in front of half the school that I > sing off-key. I haven't sung since. That's so nasty! First of all, how humiliating, to be told this in front of all the other kids. Secondly, she gave you no context for the criticism. Everyone sings off-key sometimes. And most people can learn to sing on-key. It's not an indelible trait of one's entire being. But as a kid, how could you know that? She might as well have stamped "NO MUSICAL TALENT" on your forehead. GRRRR... some people shouldn't be allowed to teach! If you remember that you liked singing before that incident, I hope that you can find the nerve to try it again. Maybe in a non-threatening situation, with people who are just there to enjoy themselves, no pressure, no criticism allowed? It's a shame to have something so joyful taken away from you like that. Purrs, Joyce > If you remember that you liked singing before that incident, I hope that > you can find the nerve to try it again. Maybe in a non-threatening situation, > with people who are just there to enjoy themselves, no pressure, no > criticism allowed? It's a shame to have something so joyful taken away > from you like that. > Purrs, > Joyce That's an excellent idea. Although I was never publically embarrassed like Marina, I always wanted to sing but figured I couldn't. A few years ago, I decided it was about time that I stopped letting my nervousness and shyness get in the way. I saw a notice asking for volunteers for a very small church choir which sang a type of old-fashioned church music I have always loved. I noticed that no experience/audition was required, and that I knew the director slightly, and liked him. So I volunteered. It was great fun, very unthreatening. Then I volunteered for another community choir run on the same basis, a 'come-all-ye' choir for amateurs. I'll never be a soloist, or even one of the 'strong voices' who the rest of us listen to when we aren't quite sure what we are supposed to be singing. But I get enormous pleasure out of it. SignatureCheryl > I always wanted to sing but figured I couldn't. A few years ago, I > decided it was about time that I stopped letting my nervousness and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 'strong voices' who the rest of us listen to when we aren't quite sure > what we are supposed to be singing. But I get enormous pleasure out of it. That's what counts! I also don't have a beautiful, heart-stopping voice, but I've discovered that I have a decent enough voice to make a contribution to a chorus. I can sing on key, I can hold my own part and not be distracted by other people singing other parts. I can blend in with others well, and I have a good sense of harmony. So, I'm not a soloist, but I can still enjoy being part of a group singing beautiful music. Another important thing is that, as I've been doing more singing over the past 4+ years, my voice has definitely gotten *better*. I don't go flat the way I used to, and my voice is stronger. I've widened my range. So even if a person has certain problems with singing, that doesn't mean they can't improve. Everyone can improve. Joyce > > ...when I was 8 or 9 years old, and my music teacher (the sister > > of a famous conductor) told me in front of half the school that I > > sing off-key. I haven't sung since. Oh Marina, don't worry about it! I have a bloody AWFUL voice, but I sing whenever I want to. I especially sing in churches, when I'm forced to go there for baptisms and weddings :) I figure that if there is a god, he gave me the voice, and his followers will just have to put up with it. I was singled out as a child for my voice both at school and chapel. At school, my music teacher asked the left half of the class to sing, then the right half. Then she asked the front half of the left side to sing, then the back half ... she narrowed the terrible din down to me, and asked me never to sing again. When I sang in assembly, she sneaked up behind me and told me off for 'deliberately spoiling things'. At chapel, we had 'Sermons' days, on the anniversary of the chapel's founding, we had special sermons and the little girls would dress up in white frocks and sing in a choir. I was asked to mime. Yes, some people really DO have awful singing voices, just like some people are really ugly, and some are fat. But it's no reason NOT to sing, singing is great fun, and I will carry on doing it! Jeanette That's terrible, Marina! I do hope you start singing again, especially since singing improves a lot with practice. I find that I can learn the melody in a similar way that I can learn the lyrics and the more I practice, the better I sing. Hugs, SignaturePolonca (I have been told by many schoolmates that I sing off-key) & Soncek > Aww! Poor Sherry! What a traumatic experience. I experienced something > similar (though on a much smaller scale) when I was 8 or 9 years old, > and my music teacher (the sister of a famous conductor) told me in front > of half the school that I sing off-key. I haven't sung since. > (Of course, the 80s weren't much better.) Hey! 80's music rocks! SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> (Of course, the 80s weren't much better.) > Hey! 80's music rocks! I was talking about the dancing. (Mosh pits, slam dancing, etc.) I love the music from the 80s, too. Actually, compared to slam dancing, 70s disco dancing was actually rather elegant. At least people had some style when they did it (or tried to!). Joyce >> (Of course, the 80s weren't much better.) > >Hey! 80's music rocks! Ohhh, but the hair!! ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>Hey! 80's music rocks! > > Ohhh, but the hair!! ;) The hair *and* the clothes. There's pictures of me from that era that I'd rather did not exist.... :) SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >>>Hey! 80's music rocks! >> >> Ohhh, but the hair!! ;) > >The hair *and* the clothes. There's pictures of me from that era that >I'd rather did not exist.... :) Couldn't be worse than me, pal. I went platinum blond. Actually, that *wasn'*t bad, because once I went platinum, I started to dress very simply-- before that, I had the whole big, oversized, layered, dangling jewelry, five million accessories hanging off, thing going on. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>> (Of course, the 80s weren't much better.) >> >> Hey! 80's music rocks! > > Ohhh, but the hair!! ;) Yes, I had hair in those days. ;-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. >>> Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think my sister lives >>> within city limits. So it was probably a home owners association [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > until the mid-80's. > Sherry "Everybody cut Footlose" --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep >> There was a city here who did, Joyce. I think cities can pass any >> ordinance, no matter how silly it is. We had a ban on dancing within [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >"Everybody cut Footlose" LOL, that's very close to the truth. The Southern Baptist Church is the definite majority in this community, and has a great influence. An organized weekly "dance" had been started, and the ordinance was passed due to pressure from them, specifically to stop the dance. We didn't get to have a prom, either, just a banquet. I resent this to this day. Sherry >>> There was a city here who did, Joyce. I think cities can pass any >>> ordinance, no matter how silly it is. We had a ban on dancing within [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >either, just a banquet. I resent this to this day. >Sherry Why do the Southern Baptists frown on sex? Because it could lead to dancing. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could > >> burn them if I wanted to. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I find it amazing how many things are against the law in the land of the > free. ;-) Or the land of the maple leaf... >> >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I > could >> >> burn them if I wanted to. >> > >> > In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. >> > Pollution, I think, is the main concern. That has got to be a joke. US is worried about pollution from burning leaves. That's amazing when US won't sign the Kyoto agreement about using too much gas. (petrol) They need to worry about that. >> I find it amazing how many things are against the law in the land of > the >> free. ;-) > > Or the land of the maple leaf... Is it the same in Canada? I can do all these things in Britain - but I'm sure to have forgotten some. I can burn leaves, in fact I can have a bonfire for garden waste whenever I like. Burning car tyres is frowned upon, but you'd probably get away with it unless your neighbour rang up the authorities and complained. I can let my cats out, they don't have to go out on a harness. If my cats do anything naughty while they're out (Bast forbid) I'm not responsible for it. I have access to a vet 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. A vet that cannot only treat cats and dogs, but anything else I might have, like goats, horses and reptiles. (I'm in the middle of an argument on one of my other groups. It's mainly Brits, but there are worldwide posters too.) It seems like in the USA vets can choose the species they want to doctor, and just specialise in a few species, like just bring me a cat or dog and forget about your ferret. Tough, I don't do them. *SO* this USA vet has joined in with the posts on this other group. She seems a bit arrogant. Declawing came up and I'm afraid I flamed her about it. She said she would only declaw a cat for medical reasons, like a really bad infection in the nailbed, and she would never declaw one "for elective purposes." That was all very well until she said she'd refer someone on to another vet to have it done. It eases her conscience of course that she won't do elective declawing herself, but yet she refers on to another vet so it can be done! I flamed her quite a lot actually, and normally I don't like to do that to anyone. I asked her if she knew how much front declawed kitties had difficulties with the litterbox afterwards and how this could lead to behavioural problems. (I learnt this from this group, thanks to you Americans) I wanted the declawing link that I now don't have, to show the other folks that were joining in how bad it was for the kitties. I never viewed it, because I knew I wouldn't be able to look at it. So can someone who might still have it send it again, and I'll post it for everyone to see on this other group and see how much they then agree with this vet. My stance on it is this. Cats come with claws front and back. If you don't like this idea, don't get one. It is really as simple as that. It's sort of like de-barking a dog. Everyone knows that dogs bark. When I had them (and I sorely miss them) I liked it when they asked to go outside to bark, because I knew that they'd heard something suspicious. So, well just maybe, there might have been a burglar thinking about breaking into my house and the dogs barking made him think again. I never object when my neighbour's dogs bark. I think of it as a free burglar alarm system. Tweed > That has got to be a joke. US is worried about pollution from burning > leaves. That's amazing when US won't sign the Kyoto agreement about > using too much gas. (petrol) They need to worry about that. Thank you, yes! Unfortunately, that would require *real* change. US corporations wouldn't be able to do whatever they wanted. So let's pretend we're doing something useful, and ban leaf-burning. > I can let my cats out, they don't have to go out on a harness. As far as I know, it's not illegal to let cats out to run free in most places in the US, although that might be changing. I do agree with the dog leash laws, I have to say. When I was a kid and a teen, I used to be chased by dogs all the time on my bike, and sometimes even when walking down the street. That never happens anymore. > It seems like in the USA vets can choose the species they want to doctor, > and just specialise in a few species, like just bring me a cat or dog and > forget about your ferret. Tough, I don't do them. Hey, at least we have *some* freedoms. :) > *SO* this USA vet has joined in with the posts on this other group. She > seems a bit arrogant. Declawing came up and I'm afraid I flamed her about > it. She said she would only declaw a cat for medical reasons, like a really > bad infection in the nailbed, and she would never declaw one "for elective > purposes." That was all very well until she said she'd refer someone on to > another vet to have it done. Here's another thing that *should* be against the law in the USA. Well, there is West Hollywood, California. I believe it's the only place in the US that has enacted a law against declawing cats for "elective" purposes, as you put it (well put). Joyce >>> >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I >> could [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >leaves. That's amazing when US won't sign the Kyoto agreement about using >too much gas. (petrol) They need to worry about that. These are by and large, not federal laws. They are the laws of their respective localities. Most areas seem to agree that beery suburbanites burning leaves on their lawns on a windy Sunday afternoon on a tree-lined street is probably not a good idea. Better to have the sanitation department take care of it. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > Is it the same in Canada? I don't think we have as many home ownerships thingys and gated communities - honestly, they sound like horrible places to live, with all the rules about paint colour and clotheslines. > I can do all these things in Britain - but I'm sure to have forgotten some. > I can burn leaves, in fact I can have a bonfire for garden waste whenever I > like. Burning car tyres is frowned upon, but you'd probably get away with > it unless your neighbour rang up the authorities and complained. I'm not at all sure if burning leaves is legal within the city. People don't do it. The fire department would be sure to object, particularly in my neighbourhood which is crowded, with a lot of old wooden houses close together. There are still bonfires on Guy Fawkes or however you spell it, though. I think this is the only place in North America that tradition continues, and the city council tries to tame it by insisting on only official, supervised bonfires. > I can let my cats out, they don't have to go out on a harness. So can I. I don't, because an awful lot of cats have met premature ends on the streets here. > If my cats do anything naughty while they're out (Bast forbid) I'm not > responsible for it. Legally, I'm probably not responsible. Morally, well, I've met a lot of avid gardeners who consider cat owners morally responsible for the little excavations in their gardens. One of my neighbours once blamed me for all the cats who were, er, courting all night directly outside his bedroom window. I pointed out that I was not responsible for all the local cats, and the two I *was* responsible for were (a) spayed and (b) indoors on the night in question. > I have access to a vet 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. A vet that cannot > only treat cats and dogs, but anything else I might have, like goats, horses [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and just specialise in a few species, like just bring me a cat or dog and > forget about your ferret. Tough, I don't do them. It's up to the vet, really. I do have access to 24 hour vet care; I have lived in an area where the nearest vet was a four hour drive away, except when there was one holding a clinic about two hours away. I used to take my cats to a fairly large practice that handled just about any small animal, but when someone came in with a snake, the receptionist told him that only one of their vets treated snakes. In an effort to make Mandy's vet checkups less traumatic for all concerned, I now use a vet who treats only one type of animal - cats. Mandy seems to freak out less with this vet, and in a very small clinic that doesn't have all kinds of other animals around. > I never object when my neighbour's dogs bark. I think of it as a free > burglar alarm system. I object if the dogs bark constantly. That can be a terrible nuisance. SignatureCheryl Cheryl Perkins <cperkins@mun.ca> had some very interesting things to say about Re: rustle rustle rummage rummage: >It's up to the vet, really. I do have access to 24 hour vet care; I have >lived in an area where the nearest vet was a four hour drive away, except [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >vet, and in a very small clinic that doesn't have all kinds of other >animals around. In Santa Barbara, there's a vet clinic that handles only cats and birds. I thought that an interesting client mix. :-) >> I never object when my neighbour's dogs bark. I think of it as a free >> burglar alarm system. >I object if the dogs bark constantly. That can be a terrible nuisance. That would bug me, too, and I *like* dogs. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > I asked her if she knew how much front declawed kitties had difficulties > with the litterbox afterwards and how this could lead to behavioural [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > still have it send it again, and I'll post it for everyone to see on this > other group and see how much they then agree with this vet. I haven't had the nerve to look at the pictures either, but here is the link... http://community-2.webtv.net/stopdeclaw/declawpics/ Hugs, CatNipped when my black labrador was alive, he was going mad to get out one night so I let him out, he flew down to where the garages were, and set up a real racket, as I followed him down I heard a stage whisper of, quick there's a dog. Thinking he was frightening someone passing through the semi-private lane I called him back, obediently he came, next morning we found our garage had been burgled, the day before, a couple of blokes had passed when we had the door open going through some stuff we had stored in there, so I guess they thought they would relieve us of some of it . Sam probably prevented them from taking more, but I wished I hadn't called him back. Jean.P. > >> >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I > > could [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Tweed >> And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could >> burn them if I wanted to. > > In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. > Pollution, I think, is the main concern. Not so much polution as much as a brush fire hazard. *Some* people are stupid enough to rake up a big pile of leaves, set it ablaze and then go back inside to watch the game... and then are puzzled when their insurance refuses their claim after their house burns down (if they even have insurance, that is). Where I live, you CAN burn leaves, but if a nieghbour calls the fire department & they come out *AND* you are not attending the blaze with an active water hose in your hand, you will A) be fined for an unattended fire and B) get billed for the use of the fire department's equipment (and that will include a water usage fee for them hooking up to the nearby fire plug/hydrant) and man hours, which will probably be more than the fine. --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep "Magic Mood Jeep" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote: > Not so much polution as much as a brush fire hazard. *Some* people are > stupid enough to rake up a big pile of leaves, set it ablaze and then go > back inside to watch the game... Well, that's certainly sensible. However, I clearly remember when burning leaves became illegal, and it was about "stopping pollution." Some areas should always ban burning leaves during hot, dry seasons that have high fire danger. I remember camping in California, a bit north of the San Francisco Bay Area (up the coast). This was in August of 1989, during the area's long drought, and all the vegetation looked like it was about to go up in flames any second, it was so dry. And yet, we were allowed to have open campfires! Not just coals, but actual burning wood and leaves with open flames, that give off sparks. I didn't understand that, and it gave me the willies. Joyce > Some areas should always ban burning leaves during hot, dry seasons that > have high fire danger. I remember camping in California, a bit north of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > flames, that give off sparks. I didn't understand that, and it gave me the > willies. Here in Finland, if the weather has been dry for a certain amount of time in the summer, the authorities issue a ban on open fires. The ban is limited to the area that has been suffering from draught. We always wait with bated breath to see whether we'll be able to have the traditional bonfire on Midsummer eve. If there's a ban, we don't light up, but there are always people who do, and since Midsummer festivities includes a lot of alcohol around here, accidents happen often enough. Not just with the bonfires, but for some reason, drunken men absolutely have to go out in boats and then stand up to pee over the side. People even bet on how many will drown this Midsummer. :o/ SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: rustle rustle rummage rummage: >Here in Finland, if the weather has been dry for a certain amount of >time in the summer, the authorities issue a ban on open fires. The ban [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have to go out in boats and then stand up to pee over the side. People >even bet on how many will drown this Midsummer. :o/ Sounds like a good way to neaten up the Finnish gene pool. ;-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to >say about Re: rustle rustle rummage rummage: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Sounds like a good way to neaten up the Finnish gene pool. ;-) Might deserve an entry for the Darwin Awards. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > Sounds like a good way to neaten up the Finnish gene pool. ;-) Not just Finland. I gather that a typical summer drowning victim here is a male, middle-aged overweight amateur fisherman who had a high alcohol level and decided to stand up in a small open boat in order to pee. It seems that it is extremely difficult to swim with your trousers around your ankles, which is where they tend to end up during your struggles. And that's even assuming you know how to swim. Life jackets, what they call personal flotation devices now, also do not appear to be popular among a certain subset of sports fishermen. A relative of a friend of mine worked in the local morgue, and I figure she knew what she was talking about. SignatureCheryl >> Sounds like a good way to neaten up the Finnish gene pool. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >A relative of a friend of mine worked in the local morgue, and I figure >she knew what she was talking about. Makes you think of all those deaths preceded by the words "Hey, watch this!!" Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> Sounds like a good way to neaten up the Finnish gene pool. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > A relative of a friend of mine worked in the local morgue, and I > figure she knew what she was talking about. I remember the smell of a body that's been in the water for three weeks, to say it was strong was an understatement. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > In many places in the US, it is against the law to burn leaves. > Pollution, I think, is the main concern. Sorry, but I find that really ironic. You can't burn leaves so as not to pollute, but you can drive cars to your heart's content with no effort to limit the amount of cars on the road? (I don't mean you personally, Victor!) I don't even believe burning leaves would pollute the air very much. ;o) SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > Sorry, but I find that really ironic. You can't burn leaves so as not to It is ironic. :) > pollute, but you can drive cars to your heart's content with no effort > to limit the amount of cars on the road? (I don't mean you personally, True. Americans seem to think that having a car is a god-given right, and the bigger the better. Some areas are better than others, down here in Texas it's like most people have more than 1 car per person in each household. The entire feeling can be summed up in one word: Hummer. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Tweed wrote: >> but when I was little you could still burn leaves to >> dispose of them -- the smell still lingers. > >And you can't now? Why? Although I prefer to compost them, I could burn >them if I wanted to. Most places in the US ban burning of leaves and trash to decrease air pollution. Some rural area may still permit the practice, but I doubt any ordinary residential areas still allow it. Regards and Purrs, O J > Tweed wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards and Purrs, > O J What are you supposed to do with your leaves then? What if you had about 70 trees like me? What would you be expected to do with the leaves when they fell? <amazed> Tweed > What are you supposed to do with your leaves then? What if you had about 70 > trees like me? What would you be expected to do with the leaves when they > fell? > <amazed> > > Tweed Mulch them, compost them, or bag them for the green-waste pickup. In most of southern California burning leaves or weeds will net you a very expensive fine. >> What are you supposed to do with your leaves then? What if you had about >> 70 trees like me? What would you be expected to do with the leaves when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of southern California burning leaves or weeds will net you a very > expensive fine. I'm lucky because I have enough room to compost all my leaves. Green waste pickup here costs the householder money, and not a small sum, so for people who have a much smaller garden, it would be a real expense. I'm lucky aren't I as I bought myself an incinerator a few weeks ago and I can burn all sorts of weeds and garden waste in it - and no-one will tell me I shouldn't! I try and compost them if I can, but sometimes things need burning, I have the most magnificent compost heap ;-) Tweed > > Tweed wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Tweed Leaves make fantastic compost, all you have to do is bag them up and let them rot. Instant mulch for next year. Jeanette >> > Tweed wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jeanette Agree, I bag and mulch a lot of leaves every year, but the leaves from 70 trees is a bit too much for me to keep up with. In two years, leaf compost (mine, anyway) is so nice I sow seeds in it and pot up plants that have outgrown their pot. They all do well. Tweed >>Tweed wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Tweed Here where I live, a medium sized city (50-70,000 people) everyone rakes their leaves to the curb if they live in the city limits and about once every week during the peak of fall and every two or three weeks as leaf fall slows down, the city comes along with a special garbage truck that is basically a vacuum cleaner and vacuums the leaves up off the curbs. They then take them to a certain place on the edge of town where they are shredded as they are emptied out of the truck and left all winter to compost. At the beginning of spring anyone who wants compost can go out there to get free compost. It is part of what we pay for with our taxes. Part of what pays for the program is our recycling program. Every house in the city limits has a recycling bin where they put in plastic, glass, newspaper, aluminum and steel cans. The city collects it and sells the stuff to be recycled because it has value. It pays for the recycling program and produces enough revenues to do things like collect the leaves and recycle those. For the record, let me state I do miss the smell of burning leaves because that is what we did with them when I was a kid but you can't burn your leaves here unless you live outside the city limits. Bridget > Here where I live, a medium sized city (50-70,000 people) everyone rakes > their leaves to the curb if they live in the city limits and about once [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > there to get free compost. It is part of what we pay for with our > taxes. This sounds like a very good system to me. Here, we have compost bins where they can put the leaves, and a truck takes them to the city's compost (along with all the other organic waste, used cat litter included - hey, I got this on topic!), but the compost is not available for everyone. The city uses it for parks and other public gardening. Of course, people who live in their own houses with their own gardens can compost their leaves there if they want to. I don't know if they can burn them. Somehow, that doesn't even seem to be a tradition around here, because I have no fond childhood memories of burning leaves, like all you Brits and Americans seem to have. I don't even remember that from when I lived in Cambridge, Mass. as a child. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > Somehow, that doesn't even seem to be a tradition around > here, because I have no fond childhood memories of burning leaves, like > all you Brits and Americans seem to have. I don't even remember that > from when I lived in Cambridge, Mass. as a child. When was that? Might've been after the ban was enacted. I remember the smell from my childhood, sometime during the mid-Paleolithic. (1960s) Joyce > What are you supposed to do with your leaves then? What if you had about 70 > trees like me? What would you be expected to do with the leaves when they > fell? > <amazed> I tend to do exactly that, but I have only my neighbours' trees' leaves, and they decay over the winter all on their own. Many people rake up their leaves. Like other places described here, we have a leaf recycling program to make compost, and we also have a similar system for Christmas trees. SignatureCheryl |
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