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I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. I'm in my new job - everything seemed to be going so well (I'm doing way more than an executive assistant usually does, e.g. updating their web site, creating company brochures, etc.). I'm coming to work early and leaving late. I'm fetching coffee for everyone, schmoozing the clients, etc., etc., etc. - trying to be the perfect assistant. So what happens??! I got called into the HR director's office and told my skirts are too short** (the CEO's wife, who is the CFO is the jealous type), and it looks vulgar when I chew on coffee stirrers (a habit I picked up when I quit smoking 4 years ago). The CFO grinned and said the CEO told him that if he were a woman he probably would have been fired long ago... and I found out that's what happened to the *last* executive assistant - the CEO's wife was just jealous of her so they gave her the boot!! What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to find this job!!! ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my knee!!!!!! Hugs, CatNipped > What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to find > this job!!! > > ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my > knee!!!!!! Wear pants. :)  SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wear pants. :) Yeah, I plan to from now on! ;> I just hope that works. How *ANYBODY* could possibly be jealous of a 55-year-old grandmother I'll *NEVER* know! Hugs, CatNipped >>>What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >>>find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yeah, I plan to from now on! ;> I just hope that works. How *ANYBODY* > could possibly be jealous of a 55-year-old grandmother I'll *NEVER* know! Depends upon two factors - how attractive YOU are, and how insecure SHE is! > Depends upon two factors - how attractive YOU are, and how > insecure SHE is! Is it possible that SHE used to BE one of those former assistants? That would explain the insecurity. Just a thought.. At your exit interview (should there be one). tell the old bat that, next time, hire someone ugly! Sheesh. Jane > Yeah, I plan to from now on! ;> I just hope that works. How *ANYBODY* > could possibly be jealous of a 55-year-old grandmother I'll *NEVER* know! Well, you are a hot grandma! ;-) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Yeah, I plan to from now on! ;> I just hope that works. How *ANYBODY* >> could possibly be jealous of a 55-year-old grandmother I'll *NEVER* know! > > Well, you are a hot grandma! ;-) ROTFLMAO - I love you Victor, but you must be blind!!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >>> Yeah, I plan to from now on! ;> I just hope that works. How *ANYBODY* >>> could possibly be jealous of a 55-year-old grandmother I'll *NEVER* >>> know! >> >> Well, you are a hot grandma! ;-) <WOLF howl > < cat call whistle > Oh let me add " ohh man look at those legs I got to get her number Walk this way " ;-) >>> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >>> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped To him you are probably "hot stuff"! >>> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* >>> to find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped She sounds like an insecure twat* (sorry, but that's the word that came to mind) who needs to grow up in a major way. * for those of you not in 'merka, or are not familiar with some of our slang, "twat" is a slang word sometimes used when referring to female genitalia - and also in reference to extremely dumb women who let their 'genitalia' rule their lives... >> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wear pants. :) It always amuses me when Americans talk about "pants" Here in the UK pants are what you wear next to your nether region. Like knickers, not trousers. Tweed > >> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to > >> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tweed LOL! Here, knickers are an outergarment. My daughter wore them when she was little.. Blousy trousers that struck just below the knee, with a band there. Hers had an attached pinafore. >> >> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >> >> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > she was little.. Blousy trousers that struck just below the knee, with > a band there. Hers had an attached pinafore. Kind of like rumba pants :) Knickers to me always was a underslip type garment for sheer slacks or trousers... worn much the same you would for certain materials of skirts. Grace >> >> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >> >> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >she was little.. Blousy trousers that struck just below the knee, with >a band there. Hers had an attached pinafore. Knickers, on an adult male, are traditional, old school, OLD time (note the emphasis) golf attire (at least in the US). The late Payne Stewart used to wear them when he was playing in a tournament. Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha ============ http://www.jhedge.com > Knickers, on an adult male, are traditional, old school, OLD time > (note the emphasis) golf attire (at least in the US). The late Payne > Stewart used to wear them when he was playing in a tournament. "Two people separated by a common language" wrote Winston Churchill :) What you're describing are "Knickerbockers", aka "Plus 4's" or "Plus 2's" in a slimmer version. HTH Purrs Gordon & the FF >>> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >>> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tweed We call that "underwear" >>>> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >>>> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > We call that "underwear" No that is called I need to send you the link to Victoria secret ;-) >>>> What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to >>>> find this job!!! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > We call that "underwear" So do we. > It always amuses me when Americans talk about "pants" > Here in the UK pants are what you wear next to your nether region. Like > knickers, not trousers. Okay, I have to add a story that makes me laugh every time I think of it. I was a travel agent and issued tickets for 200 people from our company to transfer to the UK. I got to sit in on their "culture lessons" before their move. This hilarious lady from the UK tried to tell them what words were okay in the US, but not in the UK. She had a pants story. She knew of a group of 3 US ladies visiting the UK and being chauffeured for the day in a van by a British driver. They all wore skirts but the weather was brisk. All day, they climbed in and out of the van to business meetings. At the end of the day one of the ladies said to another lady -- "I don't care what you say, tomorrow I'm going to wear pants!" I guess the driver's face turned beet red. Rhonda > It always amuses me when Americans talk about "pants" > Here in the UK pants are what you wear next to your nether region. Like > knickers, not trousers. > > Tweed In Australia (or at least in my vocabulary), pants = trousers and undies = knickers. Actually I think I've said something like "I'm going to put some pants on" when I meant "I'm going to put some trousers on" to my english aunt (needless to say I was wearing a skirt at the time). No wonder that side of the family think I'm a bit odd. ;) Dewi. > > Wear pants. :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tweed We call those 'panties'. Or, if you're Paris Hilton, you call them 'Gone'. All together now....EEEEWWWWWW Jane >> > Wear pants. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jane You forgot to add Britney Spears to the at comment >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > picked up when I quit smoking 4 years ago). The CFO grinned and said the > CEO told him that ^^^^^ Sorry, that should have been "the director of HR", no "CFO". Hugs, CatNipped > if he were a woman he probably would have been fired long ago... and I > found out that's what happened to the *last* executive assistant - the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped > >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > CatNipped do you really want to work for this company? there has got to be better ways to pay the rent, they sound a like an incredibly uptight bunch at this company, and the fact that there is a husband and wife team at the helm does not bode well. Start looking for another job pronto and get out of there and into a new position asap before they sack you for something trivial (something which would not be good for either your self esteem or your cv). this all sounds like it coul turn into a case of bullying ansd harassment to me, I would keep a diary of events if I were you just in case things turn really nasty, then you have everything written down and evidenced. next time you are called in to the head of HR's office consider takign someone in there with you , just to act as a witness and a 3rd party, it may stop this uptight old bitch in her tracks and make her think twice about making nasty spiteful and unnnecessarily personal comments like that if someone else is going to hear them. For one thing it will let her know that you are not to be messed with and that you know your rights as an employee (you are allowed to be accompanied by someone when called to see someone in authority about your work in your country aren't you?). i doubt very much that she or anyone is allowed to make comments on your dress like that in a work environment or make comments on any activity that does not directly affect your work output or hinder your ability to be a useful and productive employee, which chewing coffee stirrers, however irritating, is definitely not. find a union and don't let these bastards walk all over you, you have rights! >> >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > find a union and don't let these bastards walk all over you, you have > rights! *SIGH* I've only been at this job 3 weeks - and it took me over a year to find this one. Jobs in the US are as rare as hen's teeth now-a-days. Hugs, CatNipped >>> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever >>> again. >>> >>> I'm in my new job - everything seemed to be going so well (I'm >>> doing way more than an executive assistant usually does (snippage) >>> So what happens??! I got called into the HR director's office and >>> told my skirts are too short** (the CEO's wife, who is the CFO is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bunch at this company, and the fact that there is a husband and wife > team at the helm does not bode well. I told her the same thing, bookie. I worked for a family owned business and it was like attending kindergarten classes every day. The wife was the secretary/treasurer of the company; her husband was the President/CEO, whatever he wanted to be called that day. She had all these rules, in fact, she'd call staff meetings that lasted over an hour to make sure everyone *knew* the rules. Like, you can't hang a jacket or sweater on the back of your chair. It just doesn't "look right". No boxes of tissues on the desk, they must be hidden in a drawer. God forbid someone knows you might have to blow your nose once in a while! If you weren't actively drinking coffee or tea, absolutely NO coffee mugs or teacups were allowed on your desk. Oh, and don't even think about having lunch or even a snack at your desk... NO NO NO! It was all too ridiculous. You'd have thought we were children, not employees. And it wasn't like this was a business where people ever saw us at our desks so why on earth all this should matter is beyond me. She didn't go so far as to criticize the length of our skirts, but then I've always favoured long skirts anyway :) She also didn't seem to notice her husband was an old letch who was way too touchy-feely with the female employees. Gak! Jill ...> ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my knee!!!!!! > Hugs, > CatNipped Would this be when you are standing or sitting? Perhaps you could wear the longer skirts or pants. Most places have some sort of dress code, either stated or part of the culture of the place. You should be fine if you just go along with whatever it is. Continued best wishes in your new job. Annie >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my > knee!!!!!! Wear skirts that are between several inches below the knee until near the floor if the fashion in the usa is the same as UK. Short skirts are totally out. Tweed >>I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Tweed First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which means suits or dresses. I know I've said this before, but DH and I are in pretty serious financial straits - I lost a good job, then had Katrina hit our entire family and we had to help out, etc. etc. So, I've been wearing the suits I have from the last oil company job I had years ago. I can't *afford* to get the latest fashion. These skirts all come down to the middle of my knees with only one or two that come 1/2" above my knee (they are *WAY* conservative since that is what most oil companies want). This is what most conservative companies want women employees to wear even over and above what's "fashionable" at the time. I'm going to have to go shopping at the second hand store this weekend looking for pants that might match the jackets from the suits - and this will have to be charged on top of the huge credit card charges we already have! Sorry for the public gripe, but I just can't seem to catch a break with a job (I'm still making less than half of what I made 4 years ago - thanks a who heck of a lot Dubya!!!) Hugs, CatNipped These skirts all come down to the > middle of my knees with only one or two that come 1/2" above my knee (they > are *WAY* conservative since that is what most oil companies want). This > is what most conservative companies want women employees to wear even over > and above what's "fashionable" at the time. > Hugs, > > CatNipped I'm confused? Oil companies want their employees to dress with above-knee short skirts? Our family business is heavily involved with the natural gas pipeline companies. So the same corporations tend to overlap from time to time. I've never noticed the required Sexy Secretary look. Grace > These skirts all come down to the >> middle of my knees with only one or two that come 1/2" above my knee [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Grace No, I don't have but *ONE* skirt that's above the knee (and that only by 1/2 inch) - all my skirts are right at the knee (so that most or all of the knee is *not* showing and *only* the knee is showing when I sit down. What I was saying is that very long skirts - what may be "in" at the moment - are not always considered "conservative" since they are not of the "cookie-cutter" dress code of most conservative companies. Hugs, CatNipped >> These skirts all come down to the >>> middle of my knees with only one or two that come 1/2" above my knee [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > CatNipped oH OH OK. Pardon the confusion. Ian's been teething and I'm still a blubbering idiot of exhaustion :) Grace >>> These skirts all come down to the >>>> middle of my knees with only one or two that come 1/2" above my knee [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Grace No problem - I hope his little toofies come out soon and give you all some relief! Hugs, CatNipped >First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which means >suits or dresses. I know I've said this before, but DH and I are in pretty oh man... how does this differ from "business professional"? That was the code one place I worked and that meant skirts or dresses *only* for women. No pants, not even in the dead of a cold Chicago winter. >I've been wearing the >suits I have from the last oil company job I had years ago. I can't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >what most conservative companies want women employees to wear even over and >above what's "fashionable" at the time. Those skirts sound perfectly reasonable to me. Have you asked them for a written dress code so you will know what is and isn't acceptable, and then asking specifically about length of skirts related to height above/below the knee? Could be you're already doing exactly what that woman wants you to do. Or would that be taken wrong by them? Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha ============ http://www.jhedge.com >>First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which means >>suits or dresses. I know I've said this before, but DH and I are in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > exactly what that woman wants you to do. Or would that be taken wrong > by them? This whole thread is making me very glad I now live in California. Semi rural California at that. "No shoes, no shirt, no service" is about as close to a dress code as exists around here. Plus my daughter is a bartender, so you can imagine how I'm used to seeing her dress. Even when I was working in a CPA office we tended to dress down to a degree so as not to intimidate our agricultural clients. Had to make sure they knew they were perfectly welcome to wear their jeans and boots into out offices, but they could bring the dog in out of the truck too. We did have to be able to dress up once in a blue moon to deal with bankers. Jo >>First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which means >>suits or dresses. I know I've said this before, but DH and I are in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > exactly what that woman wants you to do. Or would that be taken wrong > by them? Here's the policy... ======================================== Our clients' satisfaction represents the most important and challenging aspect of our business. To help attain to this goal, employees are expected to maintain the highest professional demeanor at all times. This includes a neat, modest, professional appearance. Whether or not your job responsibilities place you in direct client contact, you represent the company with your appearance as well as your actions. The properly attired individual helps to create a favorable image for the company, to the public and fellow employees. The company maintains a business formal dress code, Monday thru Thursday and when meeting with clients. Business professional attire includes suits, sport coats, ties, and slacks for men. Slacks, dress shirts, and ties are also acceptable. Suits, dresses, skirts, blouses and sweaters with sleeves are preferred dress for women. A business casual environment is permitted on Fridays. All employees should exercise discretion and good taste in wearing attire that is appropriate for the office and customer interaction. On weekends if your duties require you to be at the office, the dress code will be relaxed to include comfortable clothing such as jeans, sports shoes, polo shirts, and the like, but it is expected that employees will exercise discretion and good taste in matters of dress at all times. Sweatshirts, T-shirts, jeans, leggings, cutoffs, immodest or revealing clothing, visible body piercing (i.e., nose, eyebrow and tongue rings) and visible tattoos are not appropriate. Footwear should also be appropriate for a professional office environment. Acceptable items include oxfords, loafers, pumps, boots, and flats. Sport shoes, tennis shoes, flip-flops or other casual footwear are not appropriate. If an employee requires a reasonable accommodation regarding their dress for bona fide religious reasons, or due to a physical disability or medical condition, they should contact their supervisor or the human resources department. Unless an undue hardship would result, such an accommodation will be made. Employees who refuse to comply with the company's reasonable standards of dress can be sent home to change into attire that is more appropriate for the office. Repeated violation of this policy can lead to disciplinary action up to and including termination. ======================================== I guess they consider my skirts "immodest" and "revealing" since I dare to show half of my knee! Sorry for the sarcasm, but I'm having plastic straw withdrawals and am actually starting to crave a cigarette - something I haven't done in 4 years!!! Hugs, CatNipped > Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha > > ============ > http://www.jhedge.com >>>First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which means >>>suits or dresses. I know I've said this before, but DH and I are in [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > actually starting to crave a cigarette - something I haven't done in 4 > years!!! So sneak into the restroom and chew a straw! Sorry, I know stress is a big part of the problem. Jo >>>>First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which >>>>means [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > Jo ROTFLOL! No, I decided I'm not going to be stressed about this. All in all, I like this job - the work is *WELL* within my abilities, not too much of it (except for the extra hours I'm expected to stay at night because the boss often works from 2PM to 10PM). Aside from the dragon queen all the people are very nice here. *AND* it pays very well. The only *other* thing bad about it is the commute, and I've just received my first book on CD, "Shadow of the Giant" by Orson Scott Card, so even that's not so bad any more now that I have something to do with my mind for those 3 - 4 hours a day! I'm just going to dress *WAY* frumpy from now on. I went to the second hand store this weekend and fount about 10 skirts in black and grey (that should work with just about all of my jackets - I'm no longer worried about being matched or in fashion since that seems to be not an issue here as long as the dress codes are adhered to strictly), and *ALL* of them are almost ankle length! ;> They only cost from US$3 to US$5, so it didn't break our budget too badly either. Hugs, CatNipped >>>>>First, this company requires that you wear "business formal", which >>>>>means [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > CatNipped Oh lordy, I just reached into the pocket of the jacket I'm wearing and found a chewed-on coffee stirrer - egads, the temptation!!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > ROTFLOL! No, I decided I'm not going to be stressed about this. All > in all, I like this job - the work is *WELL* within my abilities, not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Scott Card, so even that's not so bad any more now that I have > something to do with my mind for those 3 - 4 hours a day! <snip> Have you read the other three books in the Shadow series, "Shadow of the Giant" is the last one? SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >> ROTFLOL! No, I decided I'm not going to be stressed about this. All >> in all, I like this job - the work is *WELL* within my abilities, not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Have you read the other three books in the Shadow series, "Shadow of the > Giant" is the last one? Yes. I really liked the first one in the "Shadow" series, "Ender's Shadow" (Bean was a *wonderful* character - even better than "Ender"), and the others in that series, "Shadow of the Hegemon" and "Shadow Puppets" I liked not quite as much, but I thought they were still worth reading. None of them were as good as the original "Ender's Game", but then that's how most firsts compare to any sequels. Hugs, CatNipped > I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my > knee!!!!!! How do they feel about trousers? I haven't worn skirts to the office (or much of anywhere else) for YEARS! (Big plus, I don't have to wear hosiery or heels, either.) Even for the opera, a nice pantsuit with a dressy top and attractive jewelry is perfectly fine, nowadays. > Hugs, > > CatNipped >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > or heels, either.) Even for the opera, a nice pantsuit with a dressy top > and attractive jewelry is perfectly fine, nowadays. Yep, I'm going to be hitting the second-hand shops this weekend for pants that might match my suit jackets. Hugs, CatNipped > >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > CatNipped I think that would be a great solution. You can wear slacks anywhere now, and it's nicer in the winter anyway. Even the older ladies at church wear pant suits now. Sherry > I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > CatNipped This is absolutely ridiculous! All I can suggest is to buck up, wear pants or quit, sweetie. Wow, it just almost doesn't sound worth it. Good luck and many purrs that your situation gets worked out quickly! ("Worked" out? No pun intended!) kili -- http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > kili Yep, pants it's going to be from now on - or as Tweed suggested skirts almost down to my ankles!! I can't afford to lose this job, we'll be street people shortly after I do! Hugs, CatNipped > -- > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my >> knee!!!!!! > This is absolutely ridiculous! All I can suggest is to buck up, wear pants > or quit, sweetie. Wow, it just almost doesn't sound worth it. Poor CN has had one Job From Hell after another! Unfortunately, I don't think she's in a position to quit - it took long enough to get this job, which seemed so promising. I sure hope the be-yatch doesn't decide to fixate on you, CN. Maybe this is just a one-off and once you change your style, perhaps her attention will drift elsewhere - let's hope! The whole thing about chewing on coffee sticks is just offensive to me. Does she think she's from a "better" class than you are? And why does the husband let her get away with such unprofessional behavior? Something is very wrong there. But I hope it doesn't continue to affect you directly. Purrs, Joyce > >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > think she's in a position to quit - it took long enough to get this job, > which seemed so promising. Yeah, that's why this came as more than just an irritation and really came as a big blow to me! Hugs, CatNipped > I sure hope the be-yatch doesn't decide to fixate on you, CN. Maybe this > is just a one-off and once you change your style, perhaps her attention [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Purrs, > Joyce >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. OK. I do understand your frustration. And she is being silly, etc. But damn girl! You are looking good for a 55 year old grandmother. You have worked very hard to look so good, am I right? So you gotta enjoy it at least a little on that basis. Is the jealous one a Yankee or something? Some northern women think any normal southern woman's natural behavior is flirting. I am truly sorry you have to put up with this kind of crap when you finally have the job you have looked so hard for and the job you deserve. Jo >>I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Is the jealous one a Yankee or something? Some northern women think any > normal southern woman's natural behavior is flirting. No, she's Asian (looks to be Japanese or Korean). Also they are both *deeply* religious Catholics. Hugs, CatNipped > I am truly sorry you have to put up with this kind of crap when you > finally have the job you have looked so hard for and the job you deserve. > > Jo >>>I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >No, she's Asian (looks to be Japanese or Korean). Also they are both >*deeply* religious Catholics. I would say that there's your answer right there Catnipped... she's not picking on you in particular - Asian women tend to be very modest in their dress once they get past their twenties, and devoutly religious people are even more so. Honestly, I would say that at 55 you are WAY past the short-skirt stage sweety... I know you say that's all you've got, but it doesn't sound particularly appropriate for that environment to me. I know it's embarassing, but could you try explaining to them that this is the only formal clothes you have, and asking for an advance on your pay check to go and buy something more appropriate? >>>> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever >>>> again. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > all you've got, but it doesn't sound particularly appropriate for that > environment to me. That's ridiculous, a knee length skirt is in no way short! I would not think that's inappropriate for anyone, no matter what their age. > I know it's embarassing, but could you try explaining to them that > this is the only formal clothes you have, and asking for an advance on > your pay check to go and buy something more appropriate? I do agree that you will have to start dressing differently if you want to keep this job. It's bloody ridiculous, but the best bet would be to just wear pants from now on. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >>>>I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > this is the only formal clothes you have, and asking for an advance on > your pay check to go and buy something more appropriate? When I wrote "short skirt" I think you all got the wrong idea - I'm *NOT* talking mini skirt here. My skirts come to the middle of or below my knee when standing and just above my knee when sitting. I would *NEVER* wear a mini skirt at my age. And I don't really think the skirts are the real issue. From what I've been able to gather, there's been a string of women in my job, coming (and going) one right after the other - the CFO has always found some excuse to let them go because she is *EXTREMELY* jealous and can not stand another woman with 5 feet of her wrinkled old fart of a husband. Whatever - from now on I'm going to sear slacks anyway, so the question is moot. Hugs, CatNipped Catnip can I add my two cents it may not be the greatest thing to hear but start looking for a new job. Small companies like that when you get a helpful hint it means you job is on the line. This person has already found some reason not to like you and is starting the old lets gossip around the water cooler routine. I know you don't want to hear this Honey but I would start looking for a new job and keep my distance from this person. OH also document everything that happens get it in writing for if they let you go after your probation period and don't have valid reason nice lawsuit will be in there future. >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > CatNipped > Catnip can I add my two cents it may not be the greatest thing to hear > but start looking for a new job. Small companies like that when you get a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > your probation period and don't have valid reason nice lawsuit will be in > there future. Yeah, *SIGH* it's back to job hunting again it seems! I'm not a litigious person (if I were I would have sued the pants off of my last boss - he had pornography on the public folders of Outlook!!). Hugs, CatNipped >>I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> CatNipped >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to > find this job!!! That would surely be sexual discrimination and you could take them to court for wrongful dismissal. At least, you could here. Otherwie, try to make yourself look as dowdy and unattractive as possible whilst still maintaining a proffesional look? Tell the CEO's wife you are gay? Yowie <boggled at what some people get away with> >>I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Yowie > <boggled at what some people get away with> I think it's the same problem as my last job (a company with only 8 - 10 employees), if you have fewer than some number of employees you can pretty much get away with anything here in the states since so Federal laws don't apply to small businesses. I'm definitely going to look as dowdy as possible (and I'm already telling people about my happy marriage and my grandchildren - sheesh, as if I'd want *her* old fart of a husband when I have my own old fart of a husband!!!). Hugs, CatNipped > I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Wear slacks. They are more comfortable anyway. Even Laura Bush does that. Best wishes. MLB > I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Oh, no. Small companies can be so petty about things. You better *not* get fired for something so silly. I worked for a small comany once, the boss would not let us wear *anything* made by Levi Company. Something about gay people. I can't even remember the exact reason, it was so stupid. He just liked to control people and mess with their personal lives. Sounds like you've got a control freak. I hope not. Sherry >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Sherry Me too! For now I'm just keeping myself to myself not doing anything more than casual comments about the weather (because I knew there was ill will between everyone and the last executive assistant - I just didn't know it was this)! I need this job, so until / unless I find something else I'll just have to take what they dish out and live with it! :< Hugs, CatNipped Lori, If I understand correctly the Director of HR is the wife of the CEO of this small company.(1) You are going to have to learn to live with her if you are going to stay at this job. I would suggest making friends with her. You don't have to kiss up to her but being friendly wouldn't hurt. Accept the fact that you are low man on the totum pole right now and let her know that you realize that and that you want to fit in. How does she dress? (How do most of the women in the company dress? But she is most important). If she wears dresses or skirts most of the time then I suspect even dress pants won't be acceptable. You can just as easily put a longer skirt with your jackets as you can pants and you should be able to find acceptable skirts at consignment stores as well. You can wear the same black skirt several days a week with different blouses and jackets. Keep in mind that these people do not want you implying that you are over qualified for this job. You might be, but you accepted this position so they're not going to be impressed. They might even think that your willingness to take on some of these jobs you're doing is an attempt to make them look bad. I'm assuming you're supporting the CEO so occasionally ask his wife or his wife's secretary how he likes things done. Let them lead you. Whatever you do, don't use the phrase "In my old job...I did xxx, or we did things this way". Trust me, you don't want to do that. I've participated in conversations, two weeks after a new employee was hired, that go along the lines of "Well, are we going to let her stay or not?" Ask advice of the people you are working with, let them think they are helping you whether they are or not. Method of approach is vital. You want to fit in. At the end of the day, keep in mind that this is a job. You have a husband, a family, hobbies, life outside of work. The work gives you the means to everything else. There are times when I think to myself, "Why in the world are we doing this project in this way?" There may be a better way of doing it, a quicker way, a cheaper way. Doesn't matter. The boss is the boss, the wife's boss is the boss. They "own" you for the time they are paying you. If the project goes wrong, you can fall back on the fact that you did it the way they wanted. Just keep in mind that you are working for the ability to enjoy the time you are away from work. Good luck, purrs on the way that this is just a bump in the road and that this job works out for you. Julie (1) you wrote: (he CEO's wife, who is the CFO is the jealous then on a follow-up post said Sorry, that should have been "the director of HR", no "CFO". > Lori, > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > follow-up post said Sorry, that should have been "the director of HR", no > "CFO". Sorry, that was a typo. I work for the President/CEO and the CFO (Chief Financial Officer) is his wife. The head of HR is the man who talked to me about my skirts, at the CEO's behest. I guess, knowing how jealous his wife is, (thus the comment to the head of HR, "If you were a woman you would have been fired years ago"), he wanted to give me a "heads up". To the HR director's credit, he implied that she was being (and had always been) unreasonable about her likes and dislikes, but she has the clout to have things her own way anyway (e.g. they fired their marketing firm because she didn't like the woman who was handling their account, they fired the IT consultants because she didn't like the guy who came to service the computers once a week, and she apparently has gotten a string of executive assistants fired because she's so jealous she doesn't want any other woman in the vicinity of her husband - yeah, they should have hired a man for this position, but if they're this old-fashioned they're probably gender biased as well). The head of HR implied that there has always been pettiness and bickering amongst the administrative staff because she was always at the heart of the intrigue and back-stabbing. Well, since I've only been here about 3 weeks my resume is still fresh so I'm just going to hang in here until I find something else or this company closes if they can't find a new financial backer. I haven't invested anything personally or emotionally into this job so it won't be hard to leave it. It just sucks that I can't seem to find someplace where I'm happy and they're happy and I can just work the rest of my life in peace!!! Hugs, CatNipped > I worked for a small comany once, the boss would not let us wear > *anything* made by Levi Company. Something about gay people. I can't > even remember the exact reason, it was so stupid. I think they were one of the first big companies in the US to offer health benefits to same-sex domestic partners. So I suppose that was his little protest. Charming. Joyce Lori, if I were in your shoes right now I'd be spending the weekend at the sewing machine, letting down some hems! But that's just me. I'd do what seemed necessary, within reason, to keep a job, and this seems like a really small thing to me. > Lori, if I were in your shoes right now I'd be spending the weekend at the > sewing machine, letting down some hems! But that's just me. I'd do what > seemed necessary, within reason, to keep a job, and this seems like a > really small thing to me. LOL! I don't think my suit skirts have enough of a hem to let down to suit this lady! I'm just going to go with the pants idea - if they say something about it not being a suit or dressy enough, then I'll have a problem because I can't afford to go buy new suits! Hugs, CatNipped >>Lori, if I were in your shoes right now I'd be spending the weekend at the >>sewing machine, letting down some hems! But that's just me. I'd do what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about it not being a suit or dressy enough, then I'll have a problem because > I can't afford to go buy new suits! Well, of course California IS less formals than the rest of the country, but the only time anyone in our office wore an actual SUIT to work was if they were appearing in court (one of our partners was a forensic accountant) or had an appointment at the IRS! When I said "pants" I meant trousers and a nice blouse or knit top, not matching pants and jacket. > Hugs, > > CatNipped > Lori, if I were in your shoes right now I'd be spending the weekend at the > sewing machine, letting down some hems! But that's just me. I'd do what > seemed necessary, within reason, to keep a job, and this seems like a really > small thing to me. I wouldn't. She is probably over-qualified for the job to begin with. They should be happy they have her and try to keep *her*. I mean, really! That's so petty! Especially the straw-chewing part. It's not like she's picking her nose or anything. I'd buy slacks and forget it. There is *nothing* wrong with a knee-length skirt. That's just another example of employers trying to run peoples' personal lives. Like telling them what they can and cannot do during their off time. There is too much of that already. DH is always having to do drug testing. That is such a joke. He doesn't even drink. He wouldn't know an illicit drug if he saw one.\ At the same time, though, I wouldn't make an issue out of it. I'd just keep my mouth shut, do my job and wear the slacks. And try to remember not to chew on a straw <rolls eyes> Sherry >> I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > Oh, no. Small companies can be so petty about things. You better *not* > get fired for something so silly. > I worked for a small comany once, the boss would not let us wear > *anything* made by Levi Company. Something about gay people. I can't > even remember the exact reason, it was so stupid. When some companies started providing medical benefits to unmarried couples, some of the more hysterical "Christians" went really crazy. I have never been able to understand just how on earth this hurt them or anyone else. We went through a few years where the step-grandkids mom was anti anything Disney for the same reason. It used to get interesting because we have relatives that work for Disney and the house is full of their stuff. After thinking about it for a while she finally got over it. Jo I just thought of something...my husband's from a totally different cultural background to me, and I've learnt a bit from watching his family; dress can be very different, particularly if people are from a strict religious background, and you may be thought 'cheap' or promiscuous if you dress a certain way especially if you're married and a grandmother. A minister's wife from DH's country who lives here recently caused a scandal 'back home' by turning up to church wearing an above the knee skirt with a side split and *gasp* makeup.....we may think 'what's all the fuss about' but in your boss's wife's eyes you may be considered as 'coming on to him' just by wearing an above the knee skirt. Also being friendly in our way can be seen as flirtation in another culture. I'm by no means saying either way is right or wrong, just pointing out that this may be a cultural difference, which is very hard to resolve as sometimes the people who are offended don't realize exactly why, as some things are subconcious. Try and find some below the knee skirts; pants might be a no-no too as they are often considered 'men's clothing' in more traditional cultures, and try to be as formal as possible with your boss and his wife. It's up to you whether you mind sacrificing some things, such as shorter skirts or being normally outgoing, but if you want this job, maybe doing some research on her cultural/religious background, even if you disagree with it, might help you to better understand what she really wants you to do. Keep in mind also that it is very difficult to live most of your life in your partner's country where the culture is markedly different to your own; her reactions are probably based on confusion and insecurity. All the best. > ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my > knee!!!!!! > > Hugs, > > CatNipped I always worked in a place that either slacks or full below-knee length skirts were commonly accepted. You could probably get away with a full cut knee length because it spreads out but the fitted above-knee skirt does ride and to be quite honest in my experience it's been a rule of thumb not to show anything above the knee in the professional environment :) Grace Oh dear That's no good. People like that need to go see a psychiatrist. She obviously has problems. I guess all you can do is smile, say 'yes boss' and keep your ear to the ground for a better job. Purrs that things go ok for you. >I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > CatNipped > I'm in my new job [...] > So what happens??! I got called into the HR director's office and told my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my > knee!!!!!! This site might help: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/burqapattern/ To be on the safe side make it in black. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 > This site might help: > http://www.angelfire.com/planet/burqapattern/ > To be on the safe side make it in black. LOL! I didn't even have to go to that site, I can see what it is just by looking at the link. Catnipped, maybe you could print out the pattern, bring it to work, and ask if that's what they had in mind? :) Joyce > I'm in my new job - everything seemed to be going so well (I'm doing way > more than an executive assistant usually does, e.g. updating their web site, > creating company brochures, etc.). I'm coming to work early and leaving > late. I'm fetching coffee for everyone, schmoozing the clients, etc., etc., > etc. - trying to be the perfect assistant. I wouldnt' consider this job "over" yet. So they have stupid standards--so what? Get some dowdy clothes secondhand (and don't worry about "matching the jackets" if you can just wear a black skirt which will go with almost any jacket) and don't take it personally. It sounds like this woman would consider Mennonites as sexy husband-stealers. Put up pix of your grandkids and husband, be careful of jokes taken the wrong way, don't drink alcohol in the company of ppl from work. (and would they rather you smoked? damn! Unless your'e putting stir sticks up your NOSE or chewing them in front of guests, they should mind their own beeswax.) However, do take it as forewarning and stockpile evidence, so if you actually /do/ get fired because the CEO's wife is jealous, you'll have proof of your wrongful dismissal. It's not your fault you're a foxy grandma! --Fil >> I'm in my new job - everything seemed to be going so well (I'm doing way >> more than an executive assistant usually does, e.g. updating their web [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > about "matching the jackets" if you can just wear a black skirt which > will go with almost any jacket) and don't take it personally. It Exactly what I'm going to do - this job pays enough for me to overlook a *LOT* of things. I think what was the worst was the embarrassment of being told that - I felt like I was back in highschool where they made us kneel on the floor to see of your skirt hem touched the ground (you were sent home if it didn't). Also the implication that I was a tramp or out to get her husband was embarrassing in and of itself (as if I would want that musty old fart - as I said in another post, I have my own old fart at home!). > sounds like this woman would consider Mennonites as sexy > husband-stealers. Put up pix of your grandkids and husband, be careful > of jokes taken the wrong way, don't drink alcohol in the company of ppl > from work. We're not allowed personal things on our desks, so I'll have to stick to talking about the grandchildren. They *know* I'm happily married, whenever I talk to my husband on the phone I always end the conversation with "I love you" and one of the other assistants always smiles and makes kissing noises to tease me. > (and would they rather you smoked? damn! Unless your'e putting stir > sticks up your NOSE or chewing them in front of guests, they should > mind their own beeswax.) I'll just have to manage to do away with the straw - it's been four years since I've smoked and I guess it's time to break the straw habit anyway! > However, do take it as forewarning and stockpile evidence, so if you > actually /do/ get fired because the CEO's wife is jealous, you'll have > proof of your wrongful dismissal. Here in Texas we have what's called a "Right to Work" law. Basically what it does is allow an employer to let you go at any time for any reason (you have to sign a paper agreeing to that at the time of your hire). The only thing they can't do is fire you for race, gender, or religion - but that's is *SO* hard to prove! > It's not your fault you're a foxy grandma! > > --Fil LOL! I'm a bit shocked to have become a husband- stealing sex kitten at my age! Hugs, CatNipped snipped I think what was the worst was the embarrassment of being > told that - I felt like I was back in highschool where they made us kneel on > the floor to see of your skirt hem touched the ground (you were sent home if > it didn't). Heh. That's exactly what ran through my head when I read that, also. Only we had to line up in the principal's office, stand straight with our arms to our sides, and our hemline had to be 2" below the tips of our fingers. Sherry > Here in Texas we have what's called a "Right to Work" law. Basically > what it does is allow an employer to let you go at any time for any [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped OK, I have been following this thread since you started it. Where I work (a private residential college) there are a number of office environments and quite a number of personality things that go on. I don't doubt for a minute the things you describe are as you describe them. Like many of us (well, at least myself) you need your job and can't afford to be idealistic so yes, do as the HR dir requests. I guess I don't need to point out that in many cases the HR office is NOT your pal. But listen, you are working and have an income (if not one you are 100% happy with) start interviewing for the next job as you work. As someone who has done a fair share of hiring I can say it does not look bad that you are currently employed. It may even be a plus. So it takes a year to get something better but at least you feel less out of control of your situation and you know these people will make you miserable until you leave. Sorry if this is obvious. You have by best hopes for things to get better. Andy >> Here in Texas we have what's called a "Right to Work" law. Basically >> what it does is allow an employer to let you go at any time for any [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Andy Yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do. And I don't even have to do it very secretly since they told me when they hired me that their contract with their underwriter is up at the end of March and the underwriter has decided not to renew. There's a good chance the company will cease to exist after that if they don't find another partner, so everyone there is looking around to see where they might land next. [And yes I took this job knowing this, and even so it was better than the hell hole I was working in a month ago! BTW *that* @$$hole has also lost his two most senior, knowledgeable techs right after I left - that leaves him with only 3 less-than-experienced techs *ALL* of whom hate his guts; so *his* business may fall through even before the one I'm at now!!! Sheesh, the job market is looking bleak in the US now-a-days!!!] Hugs, CatNipped > So what happens??! I got called into the HR director's office and told my > skirts are too short** (the CEO's wife, who is the CFO is the jealous type), WHAT?!!! > and it looks vulgar when I chew on coffee stirrers (a habit I picked up when > I quit smoking 4 years ago). WHAT!!!!!! As you say you aren't picking your nose in public or farting during a major meeting, explain it's a minor eccentricity and it's that or you might start smoking again! I seem to recall American's are even worse about smoking and you could probably sue saying "they forced me to smoke!" The CFO grinned and said the CEO told him that > if he were a woman he probably would have been fired long ago... and I > found out that's what happened to the *last* executive assistant - the CEO's > wife was just jealous of her so they gave her the boot!! I'd seriously take some advice on this....So the assumption has to be that the CFO (whatever that is) would only be happy if the CEO employed a man in your position?! That's discrimination! > What the F*CK am I going to do if I get fired - it took me a *YEAR* to find > this job!!! Sweetie you got this job and can get another. Seriously if you look back on my "Job purrs needed" posts I started looking ages ago before I got this one (Which thankfully seems to be finally working out okay) so I suggest you start looking now and when you get another job I'd tell them exactly why you are leaving! You're a lot better qualified than me > ** I'm a 55-year-old grandmother, my shortest skirt is 1/2" above my > knee!!!!!! And? We had a case recently where this guy was unable to achieve "release" unless he thought of his granny! Maybe your boss has the same problem..? This week alone I've had a letter that would have been classified as obscene material if he sent it anywhere else. And someone who could only finish if he stuck his left foot in a bucket of cold water..it's not that (I am unshockable) but the fact- how did he work that one out?! Another day in sexual dysfunction work Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped I'm afraid I'd probably smile nicely, nod, and continue wearing my own regular clothes. If they don't provide a uniform and didn't specify in writing what clothes they wanted you to buy when they signed you on, this is just about bullying. What's "too short"? Do they go by length distance from the ground? Length from the waist? How much knee is showing? Exactly how do they measure where your knee starts and ends? Silly questions, but it's a silly thing they're asking you to do. I don't think they really care what you wear. They just want to see you jump on their command. Trouble is, what they're asking is so vague they can keep moving the bar on you. Do you honestly think you might lose the job for wearing the wrong clothes (never mind that you can DO STUFF WELL)? If so it sounds this company is run in a rather stupid and wasteful way, and the long term business prospects don't look good. make sure you wear floor length, and do your best, document document document, also when you can without pushing it, talk about DH and kids, not too positive, or that might make her jealous also, but never one word negative or she will think you want her man, Lee > I swear I will *NEVER* even *interview* at a small company ever again. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> >the CEO's wife, who is the CFO is the jealous type Maybe you should explain to her that if you did want to f**k her husband, pants would only delay the process by about 15 seconds (10 if he helped with the removal). > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > pants would only delay the process by about 15 seconds (10 if he > helped with the removal). Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your husband into a sexual frenzy where he won't be able to stop himself from cheating on you! Sheesh! Hugs, CatNipped > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: N/A [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > =ckHe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you >feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >CatNipped For the conservative look, you could go in there wearing a nun's outfit. Be careful though, it can be habit forming ;) Signatureannoyed@net.spammers Craig, Kathi & "Cat Five" the tabby girl >>Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you >>feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Be > careful though, it can be habit forming ;) Better than that you could go to a costume shop and get one of the colony dresses for the 1600's to say and go around and be a smart a.s calling him my lord with a real smart attitude voice than if she asks you do anything say yes mistress that should piss them off or at least give us a good laugh sorry had to throw that in here ;-) >>Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you >>feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Be > careful though, it can be habit forming ;) *GROAN* OK, up against the wall with you! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >>>Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you >>>feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > CatNipped Hey don't tease there "Grandma" some of us may take you up on the offer ;-) <sh@t eating grin > >>>>Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you >>>>feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ><sh@t eating grin > Only some? You fellas are slippin'! ];> Signatureannoyed@net.spammers Craig, Kathi & "Cat Five" the tabby girl >>>>>Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where >>>>>you [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Only some? You fellas are slippin'! ];> Depends on what we are slippin in to <groan> sorry could not resist I am too playful at am ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> >Yep. Seriously, though, it must be hard to live in a marriage where you >feel like the exposed knees of a 55-year-old grandmother will entice your >husband into a sexual frenzy where he won't be able to stop himself from >cheating on you! Sheesh! Well, there was a time when I wouldn't have thought a 49 yo woman would be a "turn on", either. Yet, when my wife puts on her black lace lingerie ............. Maybe you could just tell your boss that last night, when you were cleaning your guns, the voices in your head told you to keep wearing skirts. |
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