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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 10 Dec 2006 06:53 GMT
I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
contributions. I don't know why that would be, though - I'm a
genuine cat-lover, I respond to other people's posts, I have a good
sense of humor, and I respect netiquette. I don't have to be everyone's
best friend, and I know that nobody can be liked by everyone, but I
keep having this feeling like pretty much everyone here has a negative
response to me for some reason.

I'll probably regret sending this because it's so revealing, and
vulnerability just draws the sadists and slimebuckets out of the
woodwork. This is Usenet after all. But 99% of the people who post
regularly here are neither sadists nor slimebuckets, so I'm just
going to take the risk. I don't plan on unsubscribing in a huff, I
like reading about everyone's cats, and I enjoy this community even
if the community doesn't enjoy me. But it still makes me sad.

So if I'm just being depressed and paranoid, please let me know
this. And if for some reason I do bug you, you can let me know that,
too, especially if it's something I can or should change. You know,
sometimes people do obnoxious things in a social situation without
even meaning to. So if I have virtual bad breath, please don't let
me keep breathing it on you!

Joyce
Pat - 10 Dec 2006 06:58 GMT
Yes it does!

And you're worrying for nothing.
Stormmee - 10 Dec 2006 06:58 GMT
I rarely post but always read your posts they are very nice, keep posting,
Lee
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
Tish - 10 Dec 2006 07:03 GMT
Hugs Joyce. I love your posts and hearing about your kits.  I hope
that you don't get negative responses to your heart-felt and honest
post.  A lot of the old regulars have been very quiet of late, but
that doesn't mean we have left - I still read most posts, but RL is
such that I can't respond to many of them.

I enjoy your contribution to the group and the impression I get of you
through your writings is that you are a warm, generous, funny,
intelligent and very interesting person.  I would miss you if you
left.

Tish

>I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
>Joyce
Matthew - 10 Dec 2006 07:03 GMT
I love you Joyce ;-)

But seriously I find your input and your internet friendship very valuable
and very uplifting.  I truly appreciate having you in this newsgroup and I
am very happy to call you a friend.

I don't contact too  many people outside the newspost thru email but that is
me.  I also feel sometimes like you mentioned in your post.  I feel the
world crashing in and I truly am happy to be able to look to this newsgroup
for a ray of hope.  Which it has provide many of times WHICH YOU HAVE DONE
FOR ME ALSO IF YOU REMEMBER.  <Thank you>

BIG HUG AND A SMOOCH HEADING YOUR WAY.   If it is too wet I will blames it
on the cats ( he he )

I know how it is to be depressed  due to home problems I think I am going
thru a bout my self and the holidays are not helping.  Thank the GODS for my
masters

> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
Marina - 10 Dec 2006 07:07 GMT
> So if I'm just being depressed and paranoid, please let me know
> this. And if for some reason I do bug you, you can let me know that,
> too, especially if it's something I can or should change. You know,
> sometimes people do obnoxious things in a social situation without
> even meaning to. So if I have virtual bad breath, please don't let
> me keep breathing it on you!

Well, I for one enjoy most of your posts, and to me, you are an
important part of this group. I missed you when you went away for a
while. Sometimes I get that feeling too, like I've been offensive
without knowing it or meaning to. Then I think back on my own posting
style, and I realise sometimes I enjoy a post very much but don't reply
or some reason - there's nothing to add to the thread, or nothing
similar has happened with me or my cats, or I don't have any advice to
offer, etc. Or, which often seems to be the case recently with me, I'm
just too tired to formulate a coherent answer.

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Joy - 10 Dec 2006 07:32 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce

I've never had any negative reaction to any of your posts.  I subscribe to
five newsgroups and often skim, rather than reading each post.  Also, I
seldom reply that I like a particular post.  That doesn't mean I don't like
them, just that I haven't taken the time to write anything about it.

I don't want to be insulting, but I think you are being a bit paranoid.  You
are a part of this group.

Joy
Lois - 10 Dec 2006 08:04 GMT
Joyce, I don't post all that much but read this group several times a day, I
enjoy reading about you, and your cats.

I sometimes think, oh I will respond to that post but then RL gets in the
way.

Please don't feel that way I am sure you are loved by most of us here.

Purrs and (((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))

Lois

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> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
badwilson - 10 Dec 2006 09:40 GMT
Joyce, I think you might just be going through a rough patch.  I
certainly like you and value all your posts greatly.  I missed you a lot
during your long absence and was very happy when you returned.
I just haven't been posting much lately.  I'm flat out at work and with
our house building crap and also actually starting to meet people here
and aquiring a social life.  I have been following the group but mostly
just lurking.  My good thoughts and purrs are with everyone, always.
But I just haven't been able to post much, so I hope you don't feel
ignored by me.
Hugs and purrs,
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> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
CatNipped - 11 Dec 2006 17:03 GMT
> Joyce, I think you might just be going through a rough patch.  I certainly
> like you and value all your posts greatly.  I missed you a lot during your
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> haven't been able to post much, so I hope you don't feel ignored by me.
> Hugs and purrs,

Hey Britta, where have you been (or have I just missed your posts because
I've been "skimming" so much lately)?

How is our boy Vino doing?  How are you enjoying Australia?  Are you still
at your job at the winery?  [Inquiring minds want to know!  ;>]

Hugs,

CatNipped
badwilson - 12 Dec 2006 02:36 GMT
>> Joyce, I think you might just be going through a rough patch.  I
>> certainly like you and value all your posts greatly.  I missed you a
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>
> CatNipped

Hi Lori,
I'm around but mostly lurking.  I'm still at the winery and very busy.
I'm working there 5 days a week when Dennis is away and 3 days a week
when Dennis is home.  But when Dennis is home, I'm spending time with
him and we are busy trying to get our new house built.
We are enjoying living here very much, it's such a beautiful part of the
world.  Have been meeting people and getting a bit of a social life
going as well, so that's nice.
Vino is doing very well and has completely recovered from his blockage.
He eats the perscription c/d food fairly well and I'm also feeding him
some raw cat mince (roo meat) to break up the monotony.  He loves being
able to go outside in our fully fenced back yard, but has lately become
obsessed with the front yard, where he can't go.  Some neighbourhood
cats come 'round and he hears them from the bells on their collars
jingling so he rushes from window to window to keep an eye on them,
yowling pitifully the whole time.  There is nothing I can do, it is
worse when I try to keep the blinds closed.  Oh well.  At least none of
them has tried to come into our yard again.  Maybe his loud meows are
scaring them away?
Anyway, so all's well here except for the fact that the owners of the
house we are renting have put it on the market.  Our lease is still good
till mid-April, but our new house won't be ready till next xmas, so if
the new buyer doesn't want to rent it out, we will have to move.  I
might be hard to find a house to rent for less than a year.  I guess
there's nothing we can do at this point but wait and see what happens.
The house is priced to sell, so I reckon it will go quickly.
I have read about your new job and am thrilled to hear you are doing
well.  Sorry for not responding to many posts lately but it's all I can
do just to read and try to keep up.
Hugs and purrs,
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meeee - 12 Dec 2006 11:40 GMT
>>> Joyce, I think you might just be going through a rough patch.  I
>>> certainly like you and value all your posts greatly.  I missed you a
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> to read and try to keep up.
> Hugs and purrs,

Hi Britta, hope you can find a new house or get to stay in the current one!
Up in Qld rental terms are normally 4-6 months so I hope you don't have any
problems :)
CatNipped - 12 Dec 2006 14:48 GMT
>>> Joyce, I think you might just be going through a rough patch.  I
>>> certainly like you and value all your posts greatly.  I missed you a
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> to read and try to keep up.
> Hugs and purrs,

I'm so glad Vino is better - he had a rough row to hoe for a while there.
Purrs on the way for your housing dilemma!

I can't fault  you about not posting - I haven't been doing much lately
either.  And when I do they have to be short and quick - ah, RL sucks!!!

Hugs,

CatNipped
polonca12000 - 14 Dec 2006 20:29 GMT
>>> Joyce, I think you might just be going through a rough patch.  I
>>> certainly like you and value all your posts greatly.  I missed you a
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> do just to read and try to keep up.
> Hugs and purrs,

Thanks for the update, Britta. I'm so glad to hear Vino is doing so
well. I hope you won't have to move before your house is ready.
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Yowie - 10 Dec 2006 10:07 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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> even meaning to. So if I have virtual bad breath, please don't let
> me keep breathing it on you!

As Kindly as I can say this: you are being depressed and paranoid. Your
contributions are always valued. I'm sorry I can't say that I always read
them, but thats not personal, I barely have time to read this group any
more, much less compose a reply, I don't read all of *anybody's* posts any
more. But I read this one!

I do hope you apreciate that I did indeed read and take the time to reply to
this message, so please don't quit posting. And please get that depression &
paranoia seen to.

Hugs,

Yowie
Dewi - 10 Dec 2006 11:41 GMT
Hi Joyce,

I really enjoy your posts and have never thought negatively about you.
I've noticed that most people don't receive many responses to their
posts. You seem pretty down at the moment and I know that when you're
feeling low, everything seems worse than what it is. I hope you feel
better soon.

((((Joyce))))

Dewi.
Helen Wheels - 10 Dec 2006 12:32 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce

FWIW I like you and I missed you when you weren't posting. I'm afraid
I'm mostly lurking at the moment and even lurking I don't read every
post.  I still think about various folks on the group often though - my
cats remind me!
Adrian A - 10 Dec 2006 13:00 GMT
<snip>
> So if I'm just being depressed and paranoid, please let me know
> this. And if for some reason I do bug you, you can let me know that,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Joyce

I think you're just being depressed and paranoid, many of us have been
there. I for one do appreciate your posts and will continue to read them, I
can't think of any that have upset me. I know I don't often respond to
posts, there's not usually much I can think of to say exept 'me too' which
would get boring very quickly.
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Victor Martinez - 10 Dec 2006 15:07 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
> contributions. I don't know why that would be, though - I'm a

Why would you say that? At times there may have been disagreements over
stuff with other members, but that does not mean you're not appreciated. :)

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sriddles@aol.com - 10 Dec 2006 15:17 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Joyce

I don't think you're being paranoid, because I feel the same way, and I
don't think *I'm* being paranoid. I don't think it's personal, either.
I think the dynamics of this group have changed a lot. We have much
fewer posts. Many people have dropped out or just rarely post. For
instance, Cheryl and Karen used to reply to a lot of my posts. I think
they're both just busy with IRL, but I really notice it when I post
something and no one replies. I miss them. So what I'm trying to say
is, fewer active posters make fewer replies.

Sherry
Matthew - 10 Dec 2006 15:20 GMT
>> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Sherry

Heck very few people respond to my post any more
< sniff>
But in the same response I sometimes have very little time just to glance
over every thing.  I can't keep up with Lesley post anymore.  All I can do
is wish everyone well being, purrs and prayers
I still love everyone ;-)
Rhonda - 10 Dec 2006 16:27 GMT
> I don't think you're being paranoid, because I feel the same way, and
> I don't think *I'm* being paranoid. I don't think it's personal,
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>
> Sherry

I agree with Sherry. I haven't been around as long as everyone else, but
I also feel that many times when I post -- it just drops. Not many make
direct comments any more so you don't know if people are reading your
posts at all.

I think groups go through changes and this might be one of those times.
People seem to be posting about and wrapped up in big problems of their
own and maybe not be feeling so chit-chatty. They aren't taking the time
to include and respond to people, would be my opinion.

I don't agree at all with people in this thread who have told you you
are being paranoid and depressed, and get it seen to. How can you tell
someone that? You can't diagnose that stuff over the internet even if
you have a psychology degree and know someone's whole situation.

I think you're a very intelligent person, Joyce, and sometimes your
answers go deeper to spark conversation than the average answer. In the
real world, there would be a conversation. On the pop on and off Usenet,
it doesn't always continue like it should.

Glad you posted instead of just leaving! Hope you stick around. Happy
holidays.

Rhonda
sriddles@aol.com - 10 Dec 2006 18:41 GMT
.

> I don't agree at all with people in this thread who have told you you
> are being paranoid and depressed, and get it seen to. How can you tell
> someone that? You can't diagnose that stuff over the internet even if
> you have a psychology degree and know someone's whole situation.

I don't agree either. I think she makes a valid point. People really
don't respond to posts like we used to. It's not that she's depressed
or paranoid, that's really the way it is. She isn't the first to bring
this up. Cheryl noticed it long ago, and so have I.

> I think you're a very intelligent person, Joyce, and sometimes your
> answers go deeper to spark conversation than the average answer. In the
> real world, there would be a conversation.

Absolutely. Some really interesting threads die out quickly, and I
don't know why.  I thought it was sad when a catfight imported over
from rec.food.cooking started more "conversation" than any other thread
that day. I always did hate that.

Sherry
Karen - 10 Dec 2006 18:58 GMT
>> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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> is, fewer active posters make fewer replies.
> Sherry

It's true. I barely get time to skim anymore. I will have a lot more
time soon.
gracecat - 11 Dec 2006 02:55 GMT
>> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Sherry

I think that's alot of why I never came back as strong as I was before the
accident. The dynamics of the newsgroup have changed so much it isn't quite
the same group I left. Of course I believed it was my perception of things.
Everything that was blue, suddenly looked orange so to speak.

It's definitely not just you Pat but nor do I think you're unwanted or
unwelcomed in the group. In some ways the life has went out of this place :(

Grace
Dewi - 11 Dec 2006 07:31 GMT
> I think that's alot of why I never came back as strong as I was before the
> accident. The dynamics of the newsgroup have changed so much it isn't quite
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Grace

Yeah I agree that the dynamics of the group have changed alot. Like you
I had a long break from RPCA and really noticed the difference when I
returned. However I figure it's natural for things to change so I'm
okay with it now. Besides there are many current members who I think
are great. I also admire those who have stuck it out and have
participated with this group for years on end. However I do miss some
of the previous members (sniff).

Dewi
gracecat - 11 Dec 2006 02:56 GMT
Course I also forget who I'm responding to. *sighs* It's been a bad bad day
on this side so pardon the mistaken identity.

I'm sorry Joyce. :)

Grace
polonca12000 - 11 Dec 2006 22:22 GMT
> Course I also forget who I'm responding to. *sighs* It's been a bad bad day
> on this side so pardon the mistaken identity.
>
> I'm sorry Joyce. :)
>
> Grace

I'm so sorry you had a bad day, Gracie.
Lots of purrs and gentle hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
meeee - 12 Dec 2006 12:03 GMT
>> Course I also forget who I'm responding to. *sighs* It's been a bad bad
>> day on this side so pardon the mistaken identity.
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> Lots of purrs and gentle hugs,
> Polonca and Soncek

I know I have been lurking, and still read more than I post, as sheer
exhaustion prevents me (2 toddlers you see) but I always enjoy your posts
and stories. Please don't unsubscribe, there are very few useful and nice
people on usenet. I know the feeling, but just because you might not get on
with one or two people, and everyone's had a busy day, doesn't mean you
should deprive those of us who do like you and enjoy your posts immensely!!
I'm with the 'sod off' theory myself. This ng, mainly people like you, is
often the only thing standing between me and a huge feeling of isolation.
Thankyou, and please stay.
Annie Wxill - 11 Dec 2006 03:32 GMT
> I don't think you're being paranoid, because I feel the same way, and I
> don't think *I'm* being paranoid. I don't think it's personal, either.  I
> think the dynamics of this group have changed a lot. We have much  fewer
> posts. Many people have dropped out or just rarely post. ...
> Sherry

Sherry, I think you are right that some people are posting less than they
used to.  But, I believe that a lot of people are still reading the posts
and, speaking for myself, I read your posts regularly.

 However, this group still has a significant number of new posts every day.
And, it is to the credit of the people here that an effort to destroy it was
not successful.

Like a lot of people, I just don't have time to post a lot of responses.
So, if I don't have anything original to contribute, I probably won't post a
response.

But, I consider you and Joyce and Cheryl and  Karen an important part of
this group, and therefore an important part of my life.  I wish Cheryl and
other regulars who left for whatever reason would return.  I miss them.

Annie
Marina - 11 Dec 2006 04:55 GMT
> I don't think you're being paranoid, because I feel the same way, and I
> don't think *I'm* being paranoid. I don't think it's personal, either.
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> something and no one replies. I miss them. So what I'm trying to say
> is, fewer active posters make fewer replies.

You're right about the changes dynamics, and that may also have lead to
fewer posts. I remember a time when we were all happily prattling away,
and there could be up to 200 new messages each day. Ah, those were the days.

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Victor Martinez - 11 Dec 2006 14:10 GMT
> You're right about the changes dynamics, and that may also have lead to
> fewer posts. I remember a time when we were all happily prattling away,
> and there could be up to 200 new messages each day. Ah, those were the
> days.

It's all driven by the personalities actively posting at any given time.
Group dynamics are indeed dynamic. I'm sure we'll go through another
phase of hundreds of daily messages some time. :)

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Randy - 10 Dec 2006 16:12 GMT
>I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
>Joyce

Joyce,

I for one, always enjoy reading your posts. Your responses are always very
articulate and heartfelt. You don't need to change a thing, you are a very
honest and sincere person. I don't post or respond to most posts, but as in
real live, I'm a very quite person. I usually just listen, laugh and learn. You
would be very much missed if you left the group.

Tippy thinks Auntie Joyce is awsome!

The gang is sending comforting purrs your way.

{{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}}

Randy

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Irulan - 10 Dec 2006 16:47 GMT
No problems with your posts from this end, Joyce.

Lily & her mama

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> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
Will in New Haven - 10 Dec 2006 17:57 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce

{{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}}

It might look like that from your end, so paranoia is a harsh
description, but you are appreciated here. Your posts are fine and so
are you. Sometimes I read your posts aloud to WooToo and she thinks you
are just another silly hoomin but you're ok from my POV.

Will in New Haven

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jbhajos@earthlink.net - 10 Dec 2006 18:28 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
> contributions.
> Joyce

I can't imagine why not!!!  For what it's worth, I like you *very* much
and hope I can be considered your friend.  I joined RPCA in 1998 so
we're both "old-timers" here.  I know I'm not one of the more popular
members but that's OK, I can still enjoy the reading and popping up
with a comment once in a while.  And RPCA members have been extremely
supportive when needed.

BTW, I don't know if you remember but some years ago I posted about
Best Friends Animal Sanctuary and that I'd visited it once and
volunteered there another time.  You e-mailed me expressing interest in
it and asking questions about it.  Since then I've felt a close "bond"
with you in our mutual love for BFAS.  I see you're still active with
them and it warms my heart.  You're doing a great thing sponsoring
these needy kitties.  I do hope that *someday* you will have the chance
to visit the Sanctuary - it's a beautiful, wonderful, loving place and
I'd love to know that somehow you can share the experience.

   Jeanne Hajos

P.S.  I'll do better and post replies more often.
kilikini - 10 Dec 2006 18:51 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce

I hate when paranoia strikes me as it, apparently, has you.  It's a joy to
read your posts!  Take a nap, listen to your favorite song, pet your kitties
and put a smile on your face.  :~)

kili
jmcquown - 10 Dec 2006 19:02 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much
(snippage)

Sweetie, I like you a lot!  I don't always reply to every post but I like
appreciate them, I really do!

Jill
Lucy's Mom - 10 Dec 2006 19:13 GMT
>I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
>Joyce
Joyce,

I certaintly appreciate your posts.  You're one of the more articulate
folks here and I really do enjoy reading your stories!  Please don't
leave!  

I don't reply much because I mostly read the ng at work (lunch and
breaks only, Boss!!) and the system is set up to not allow me to post.
So the only time I can post is weekends, like now, or evenings, which
doesn't happen much.  We work 9-10 hr days and at the end of them, I'm
pretty well bushed.  After taking a little time for Eric, myself, and
the Chigger Ranch Crew (Tiger, Casper and the Lucy-monster), there
isn't much time for much else.  But I always read and enjoy...So hang
around and keep me from going crazy at work!!!

--Kim
Takayuki - 10 Dec 2006 20:41 GMT
>I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
>that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
>contributions.

I like you, and appreciate the things you write.  The group is ten
years old now, and it's maturing.
polonca12000 - 10 Dec 2006 22:21 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce

I'm really sorry you are feeling that way. I read all the posts and I
see nothing wrong with yours. But mostly I am very behind in reading
rpca, so I post only short replies and even then not to every post.
English is not my maternal language and there are times when I would
like to make a longer comment to a post, but I cannot find the right
words in English :(
I hope you will continue to post. Lots of hugs and purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
bookie - 10 Dec 2006 22:59 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
listen love, if someone doesn't like me I just think "sod 'em! their
loss for not choosing me as a friend!" If someone doesn't like you then
they are not worth worrying about, and if someone is rude or nasty to
you for no apparant reason then they obviously have some issues in
themsleves which they should sort out but instead are taking out their
angst on you, nothing to do with you, so therefore just "sod 'em!".
so just ignore anyone who is petty enough to give you any grief or
negativity about any of your posts, you are entitled to post your news
and that is what this is for, and if anyone does give you any crap then
send them in my direction and I will give them a slap for it (as much
as i can over email at least).

you keep posting away, don't worry about other people, if they are of
the opinion that your contributions are not valid or that you do not
deserve the respect that is due to you then those people's opinions are
really not worth worrying about, sod 'em basically, don't let then
bring you down.

do your kitties love you? yes? then that is all you need
chin up, it will all look better after xmas
Rhonda - 11 Dec 2006 02:32 GMT
So cute! Can I borrow that?

Rhonda

> listen love, if someone doesn't like me I just think "sod 'em!
Sam - 11 Dec 2006 00:08 GMT
Like some of the others, I don't post often, but I do enjoy your posts.
   Please stay with us!

Purrs from my two coming your way!
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Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

Annie Wxill - 11 Dec 2006 03:16 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel that
> there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my contributions.
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>
> Joyce

My goodness, Joyce, I don't read every post, but I read yours regularly.  I
know you have been here a long time and I can't think of a single time
you've said or done anything to bother me.

But then, I don't keep score, so even if your social skills aren't what you
consider perfect, you don't have to worry about it on my behalf, because I'd
probably overlook it anyway. (grin)

I'm not one to judge.  I'm what you might call socially challenged myself.

So, feel free to breathe on me as much as you want. As far as I'm concerned,
you don't need to change anything. Just keep being yourself.

Reassuring hugs,

Annie
Sam - 12 Dec 2006 03:45 GMT
>> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel that
>> there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my contributions.
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>
> I'm not one to judge.  I'm what you might call socially challenged myself.

Don't believe it!  Annie and Jim are wonderful to be with!

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Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

Annie Wxill - 12 Dec 2006 04:40 GMT
...>
> Don't believe it!  Annie and Jim are wonderful to be with!
> Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

Thanks, Sam, but you can take all the credit for bringing out the best in
us.  Well, in me, anyway.  Jim is the one with the social skills, so he
doesn't need any help. I'm a total klutz, tripping over my tongue.

Annie
Jo Firey - 11 Dec 2006 04:31 GMT
If you are having a "nobody loves me" day, its a big club.  Trouble is when
I'm feeling that way is the same time I feel too unsure of myself to ask for
reassurance.

I hope by now the feeling has passed at least for now.

The group changes over time.  It is easy to take it personally when some of
the group drifts away, especially if you are going through an uncertain
time.

Heck, when I was an accountant, there were always a few clients that were
late bringing in their tax information for the year.  Even though it was
pretty much always the same ones, and even though I seldom lost a client
that didn't die, I always thought they had found someone new because they
didn't like me anymore.

Same with anyone that was late paying their bill.  I always would think it
was me before I'd even consider maybe they were short of money or out of
town and not paying anybody.  No, I'd always go to "they are mad at me"
first.  Sucks to be human sometimes.  Especially if you aren't quite as
confident as everybody else seems to act.

Jo

> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce
Martha - 11 Dec 2006 11:26 GMT
You're having a Bad Day, probably in response to certain posts here.

Well, I enjoy your posts, and hope you continue here.

And I have never seen a hint of even just poor manners!

Purrs your way from the clowder!

Martha
Jane - 11 Dec 2006 13:57 GMT
> So if I'm just being depressed and paranoid, please let me know
> this. And if for some reason I do bug you, you can let me know that,
> too, especially if it's something I can or should change. You know,
> sometimes people do obnoxious things in a social situation without
> even meaning to. So if I have virtual bad breath, please don't let
> me keep breathing it on you!

Joyce,

Just the fact that you felt comfortable enough to post this to us means
that you consider us to be friends.  And we are your friends, just as
you are our friend.  We may not answer everything, but keep posting.
We are here for you if you need us.
Take some virtual hugs and remember that you have friends, always.

Jane
- owned and operated by Princess Rita
CatNipped - 11 Dec 2006 15:07 GMT
> I've been participating on this ng since 1999, and yet I don't feel
> that there is anyone here who likes me very much, or values my
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>
> Joyce

Three points...

First, I don't think you're obnoxious, just sometimes "blunt" (in that you
give your honest opinion on things, which I think is great).

Second, I've been feeling sort of ignored by the group too, I don't get
nearly as many responses to my posts as some members do... but then again,
*I* don't post nearly as much as some members do, so why should I expect
treatment I don't give.

I don't think this is the case for you since you seem to post a lot.  But,
anyway, I can understand how you're feeling.  With me, depression is either
the cause of it. or it makes that feeling worse (I tend to go into a "poor
little me, everyone hates me, I'm gonna go eat worms and die" mindset).  I
just don't perceive things as clearly and as rationally as when I'm not
depressed.

It seems to happen that once you've been a member of the group for a while
you tend to get "taken for granted" - not that you're denigrated, just that,
as with all our loved ones, we tend to take it as a given that they are
there for us even when we can't be there for them - that they should already
know that we love them so don't need to be told.  Everyone is *SO* busy,
especially at this time of year that, unless it is a request for emergency
purrs or something really out of the ordinary, people just don't bother to
respond.

Third, depression.  It's a killer, and the holiday season, for all it's
supposed to be the most joyous time of the year, tends to make people even
more depressed.  Please try to be aware of this and take steps to help
yourself get out of your depression.  Posting this note was a good first
step - there *ARE* people all over the world who love you, you just need to
acknowledge that they do but can't always find the time to tell you so.

I read in your next post that you've cleaned up your apartment - another
good first step.  Not only will the clean apartment make you feel better,
but the exercise it takes to clean helps flush out toxins in your body that
help cause depression, and exercise can stimulate the brain's production of
endorphins (a natural anti-depressant).  Also, if the weather isn't nasty
get out and take a brisk walk.

Anyway, you *are* loved and appreciated, Joyce.  Please take one more step
that will help with your depression *AND* will help someone else.  Find
someone else who is feeling down and do something nice for them.  "Pay it
forward" and you will find good Karma returning to you at the most
unexpected (and needed) times.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 11 Dec 2006 18:49 GMT
Dear Joyce

I always read your posts and appreciate them.  I tell KFC if Licky is
mentioned ;-)
My problem is that since I went back to work 5 days/week  I don't have much
time.   I try to read most of the rpca posts - and that in itself is
time-consuming.  I also have 3 other groups to read.
I try to respond to purr requests if I can.
I would like to reply to a lot of posts but I don't because I simply can't -
well, not unless I stay up all night!
You seem to be suffering from a severe case of the "low self-esteems" that
can come with low-level depression.
Please note this: (IMHO)
1.  There is nothing wrong with your posts.
2.  You are always polite even if you disagree with another poster.  There
is room for disagreement as long as it is done nicely, and you do.
3. Kitty Farmcat will *never* forgive you if you disappear from this group;
you will take her beloved Licky with you.  How could I tell such an old lady
that someone took her "wink-wink" away?

For every person who actually replies to your post there will be loads more
that read it.  You can see this on forums that list " number of
replies/number of views" side by side, like one of the bird groups I am on.
You can sometimes see on there - 5 replies - 1200 views.

I hope some of the replies you've had have made you realise that you are
valued here.  Most of us don't have the time to say so, that's all!   Keep
posting and don't worry about replies, your posts will be read and enjoyed
by all of us, I'm sure.

{{hugs}}
Tweed

P.S. from KFC:
I hopes yoo feels better verri sune, auntie Joyce.  If yuse takes Licky away
from me, I will hornt you furrever wen I dy.  Yoo better beeleeve it.

Ms Kitty Farmcat, Dame of Thurmaston (retired)
SuzQ - 13 Dec 2006 11:49 GMT
So if I'm just being depressed and paranoid, please let me know
this. And if for some reason I do bug you, you can let me know that,
too, especially if it's something I can or should change. You know,
sometimes people do obnoxious things in a social situation without
even meaning to. So if I have virtual bad breath, please don't let
me keep breathing it on you!

Joyce
=====================================
Joyce I enjoy your posts. Sorry that you're depressed. Unfortunately this
is an easy time of the year to get depressed. Purrs that you're doing
better soon.
Suz&Spicey
 
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