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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / November 2006What trouble can I get into
http://i9.tinypic.com/4hwjaq9.jpg What trouble can I get into up there in Daddy's new boxes Matthew,do you think that your cats have anything in common with cows? Can you remove those bells?? Why would I remove them???????. They live in the house and that is the only way I don't step on them in the middle of the night or know where they are in my house which is big. They have learned to walk silent with the other bells. Those are they only ones that jingle when they walk or move. And yes if they needed to be removed the collar is detachable but the bells are staying. > Matthew,do you think that your cats have anything in common with cows? > Can you remove those bells?? In rec.pets.cats.anecdotes Matthew <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > Why would I remove them???????. > They live in the house and that is the only way I don't step on them in the > middle of the night or know where they are in my house which is big. They > have learned to walk silent with the other bells. Those are they only ones > that jingle when they walk or move. And yes if they needed to be removed > the collar is detachable but the bells are staying. I can track the process throught the house of Young Sam, who is much more energetic than Mandy, by the crashes of things that he forgot to account for when leaping on the furniture plus the stuff he uses to check whether or not the Law of Gravity is still working. He still hasn't *quite* worked out the connection between being under my feet and sometimes getting stepped on or tripped over.  SignatureCheryl Mattew, are they breakaway collars? Even in a house, cats cat get get "hung up" on objects if they are not the quick-release type of collars. Incidentally, today is the 11th anniversary of the day I adopted Holly. It's hard to believe so many years have passed. MaryL > Why would I remove them???????. > They live in the house and that is the only way I don't step on them in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Matthew,do you think that your cats have anything in common with cows? >> Can you remove those bells?? Yes that is the only type I use if you lock closely at the picture you can see the detachable part > Mattew, are they breakaway collars? Even in a house, cats cat get get > "hung up" on objects if they are not the quick-release type of collars. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> Matthew,do you think that your cats have anything in common with cows? >>> Can you remove those bells?? > Yes that is the only type I use if you lock closely at the picture you can > see the detachable part im callin the humane society on you and them bells these aren't cows dude! lmao as for stepping on them, i look at it like this... when you're coming down the road who has the right of way a big semi-truck or a little car... the truck does by default law or no law, truck gets the right of way, it's a simple physics matter you only have to step on a cat one time... SO what I do... if I can't see my footing...lol.. I make noises.. it might be tapping the wall.. or just talking... but I let them know Im coming through see one day..my head spun around and I grossly shouted GET THE f.ck OUT OF MY WAY YOU LITTLE MUTHER SCRUNCHERS... problem solved > Mattew, are they breakaway collars? Even in a house, cats cat get get "hung > up" on objects if they are not the quick-release type of collars. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > MaryL Congratulations! I didn't realize that Holly was a senior citizen kitty, like my Yoda. From your pictures though, Holly doesn't look that old. Yoda definitely looks like an old cat, especially his gait. Here's to *many more* anniversaries for you with Holly cat. Sherry >> Mattew, are they breakaway collars? Even in a house, cats cat get get >> "hung [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sherry Thanks. No, Holly doesn't look or act like a senior citizen, and I really don't think of her that way. She can still do incredible leaps with ease, and I can virtually "feel" the power in her body when I hold her. MaryL > Mattew, are they breakaway collars? Even in a house, cats cat get get "hung > up" on objects if they are not the quick-release type of collars. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > MaryL Happy belated annifursary, Polonca and Soncek >> Mattew, are they breakaway collars? Even in a house, cats cat get get >> "hung up" on objects if they are not the quick-release type of collars. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Happy belated annifursary, > Polonca and Soncek Thanks. It was a "four paws up" day for Holly (also enjoyed by Duffy). MaryL > Why would I remove them???????. >> >> Matthew,do you think that your cats have anything in common with >> cows? Can you remove those bells?? And now you see my point. They don't like bells on cats. They probably don't like collars on cats. The cat "behavior" people also want your cat to play in traffic because it's natural to let them roam loose. Please don't invite them into this newsgroup! We don't need another onslaught from the trolls! Jill >>Why would I remove them???????. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > invite them into this newsgroup! We don't need another onslaught from the > trolls! Jill, I'm on the "behavior" group too. Each group has a different flavor. It's not all bad there, and it's not all good here. I take offense though at the stereotyping. Rhonda >>> Why would I remove them???????. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Rhonda Yeah, but you don't cross-post and invite an onslaught of criticism about every little thing :D The fact that you aren't in my killfile demonstrates that you are one of the more restrained cat loving people, not someone who will browbeat people who think cats should remain indoors, wear collars, etc. Jill >>>> Why would I remove them???????. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jill I am sorry about the cross posting Do you still love me Jill ;-) >>>>> Why would I remove them???????. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I am sorry about the cross posting > Do you still love me Jill ;-) Of course I do, Matthew ;) >>I'm on the "behavior" group too. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > will browbeat people who think cats should remain indoors, wear collars, > etc. Jill, the only real blow-up I saw between the groups was the time when Dan was helping a group of us in health and behav rescue the cat in California (Conan.) He changed his mind and gave the cat to someone else, but told us he got to the shelter and the cat was gone. I know there was a lot of frustration and fallout from that, and lots of the people who felt burned in that group started posting in this one because many people stuck up for Dan. That went on for a long time but it's over now. I don't remember what happened about you -- I thought there was something about you reporting people and that infuriated some even more. Ah, the good old days. I don't know of anyone over there who yells at people for keeping their cats indoors, who was that? It's usually the other way around. On that group, there are new people who post that need help with their cats. Some have been to a vet and can't get an answer and don't know where to turn. Once in awhile, you can help someone. The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some of the vulgar language that used to happen quite a bit, but I'm talking about saying you don't agree when you don't agree. Several things on this group have just broken my heart and I get a bit frustrated that many people don't say anything -- like the guy who left his declawed cat go outside, the same person who got a new, sick, old cat from the shelter and let him outside right away. He couldn't find him for several days and the cat didn't get his medicine. He got a lot of "purrs to you" but honestly, I could have cut loose with some language on that one! He got that old cat right after he thought a coyote got one of his other cats. I'll keep posting in both groups because I think it's good for the soul. I don't think it's good for the soul to judge a whole group of people, especially when several are in this group too. Rhonda >>>I'm on the "behavior" group too. >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Rhonda Excellent post, Rhonda. Very thoughtful and with a lot of insight. Thanks for taking the time to contribute this message. MaryL > Excellent post, Rhonda. Very thoughtful and with a lot of insight. Thanks > for taking the time to contribute this message. Thanks, Mary. I appreciate it. I was wondering if anyone would comment on it. Rhonda >> Ah, the good old days. -- like the guy >> who left his declawed cat go outside, the same person who got a new, >> sick, old cat from the shelter and let him outside right away. He >> couldn't find him for several days and the cat didn't get his >> medicine. He got a lot of "purrs to you" but honestly, I could have >> cut loose with some language on that one! He got that old cat right >> after he thought a coyote got one of his other cats. >> Rhonda For me the good old days reach back to before the cat groups split. A poster claimed they had their cat in the car for a long trip and when they stepped out at a rest stop zoom the cat was out and run down by a truck. I said the post sounded like a creative writting excercise but if it WAS true the poster was responsible for getting the cat killed. What an uproar. Purrs all around except for the cat it would seem so I understand your feelings. It's funny how things hit people. On a different day the poster may have been lambasted but this time around they got a pass. Hope they, at least, got an A on that writting assignment! Anyway over all these years I stay true to me (and Zak the CRF cat!) and never let the masses get me down. > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some > of the vulgar language that used to happen quite a bit, but I'm talking > about saying you don't agree when you don't agree. It's not quite as black and white as that. There are different ways to disagree. I am also frustrated that people on rpca don't like disagreement - *any* disagreement, even when it's respectful. People don't get nasty about it here, but when they don't like something, they just ignore it. Which is an excellent way to deal with a troll, but I'm a regular member and have been for 7 years, and I'm a decent person. I just hate it when I express an opinion and people act like I don't exist. Some of my ideas are controversial - I don't stick to the safe middle of the road, which seems to be the accepted norm here - but rpca'ers don't seem to want controversy of any kind. On the other hand, there's a very wide gap between decent, respectful disagreement, and plain old nastiness. I love controversy and debate, but not when people start calling each other morons, moral cretins, etc. Arguing over different opinions is great - name calling is not. The ability to disagree, without resorting to abusive personal insults, is not "sunshine and roses". I do think some of the people on h+b could learn to present arguments on the basis of good reasoning and facts, rather than on who can produce the nastiest insult. Just as folks here on rpca could learn that disagreement, when done civilly, won't disrupt the community and friendship we've established here. Joyce > > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses > > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Joyce On one occasion, I even had a private email message from someone who told me I should not "disagree" with anyone on rpca. MaryL > > > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses > > > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > MaryL Heh. I had a person from rpca e-mail me when I first started posting. She said since it was common knowledge I was a declawer, she wanted to warn me that subject was taboo on rpca. Sherry >>On one occasion, I even had a private email message from someone who told me >>I should not "disagree" with anyone on rpca. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry Wow, those are both scary. I hope that doesn't happen any longer, sounds like someone wanted a Stepford group. Rhonda >> > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses >> > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > MaryL One reason I keep my email private and my dispaly email a fake Heck I remember when I first got here you all thought for sure I was a troll. I would not back down when I knew I was right and refused to be talked down to by anyone. I still remember getting into it with a few regular members when they made personal vindictive comments. Only to be flamed by other regular members for retaliating till they realized that it was the regular members causing the problem and not me. After that things changed some how some way this group accepted me. I will admit I came in like a gang buster. I have calmed down a lot what is that saying I am too old for this sh@t I have taken that to heart. But still love a good troll hunt. I have learned what not to ever to debate beside Politics, Sex ,Religion in the cat groups declawing, letting a cat outside, how to punish for bad behavior and a few other things. >>>> The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and >>>> roses than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > ,Religion in the cat groups declawing, letting a cat outside, how > to punish for bad behavior and a few other things. I don't think politics should be discussed on anything other than newsgroups devoted to that particular topic, ditto religion. These subjects are just fodder for vitriolic reactions. I don't think we really talk about sex on rpca, can't speak about any other cat ng :) > > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses > > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Joyce I agree, Joyce. I have also felt invisible before, but there are other times I was very touched by the support I've gotten on this group. I do like a respectful debate sometimes. I like to get on the soapbox sometimes. When I do that, usually on the subject of shelters, I feel like it's the kiss of death for that thread. (But, regarding debates, I'm the first to agree that the indoor/outdoor and declaw debate are worn completely out, LOL) I've been flamed, roasted and broiled on health+behav. But you know what? I wasn't innocent. I either posted something I shouldn't have, or in a way I should not have. I've learned that and I've become a much less impetuous poster. Or I hope I have. If anyone had the inclination to go back and read those old threads (personally, I'd rather eat ground glass off the picnic table)...I bet you'd find Jill wasn't completely innocent, either. You reap what you sow for sure on that group. Somebody compared it to a shark tank once. Still, I can't diss that group. I learned a lot from some people on there. There used to be some very helpful people over there. The dynamics are just way different. There's more solid veterinary / behavior information and some very strong personalities. Sherry >> > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and >> roses > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > wasn't completely innocent, either. You reap what you sow for sure on > that group. Somebody compared it to a shark tank once. I'm sure I wasn't innocent in my replies to the cross-posts as things got more and more heated. But I'm not subscribed to h+b so I sure never instigated anything over there that handn't already crossed over to rpca. > Still, I can't diss that group. I learned a lot from some people on > there. There used to be some very helpful people over there. The > dynamics are just way different. There's more solid veterinary / > behavior information and some very strong personalities. > > Sherry > > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and roses > > than this group, but that's good sometimes. I'm not talking about some [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > on rpca could learn that disagreement, when done civilly, won't disrupt > the community and friendship we've established here. Hmmm, I didn't mean for it to come off sounding black and white. I meant that people shouldn't be afraid to say when they disagree. It's actually healthy. It can also change some cats' lives. Sometimes I think we're too quick to support the person when we should actually be supporting the cat, if that makes sense. One example was how most people agreed immediately that Yowie should take Fergus to the shelter after that one incident that scared her. A few of us tried to get the cat a second chance, but many people said things like "Fergus, you blew it." I was pretty stunned. IBKFergus was taken back to the shelter. I still wonder how she's doing, if she ever found a home, how long she had to be in a cage. I also wonder if this had happened to someone you didn't know but was in the same situation -- would the advice had been the same? It's great to support a friend, but sometimes we need to talk about things, like other options instead of just a blanket agreement. I think saying what you think on this group is not something to be avoided, and I agree with you that it doesn't have to degrade into personal insults. That's a quick way to lose someone if you're trying to get a point across. I know what you mean about saying something a little controversial and just being ignored, but now I know I can count on you -- ha! Take care, Rhonda > One example was how most people agreed immediately that Yowie should > take Fergus to the shelter after that one incident that scared her. A [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sometimes we need to talk about things, like other options instead of > just a blanket agreement. I went back and had a look at that thread. I see a lot of discussion and helpful suggestions there. Certainly not blanket agreement. A few vicious attacks from the usual source. Yowie also explained Fergus' history to you, when you asked her, but maybe you were too upset to take it in properly. Fergus did not come from a shelter, but from a feral colony that lives around Yowie's workplace. And the Animal Welfare people said she would be placed with a fosterer with experience with ferals until she could be placed in a new home, so not in a cage. I hope IBKFergus is happy and getting the attention she needs, wherever she is. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > I went back and had a look at that thread. I see a lot of discussion and > helpful suggestions there. Certainly not blanket agreement. A few > vicious attacks from the usual source. Hi Marina, I know some people were giving suggestions. It seemed to me, and I know I was upset, but seems that many more were telling her she was doing the right thing. Blanket agreement was too much of an exaggeration, you're right. The "Fergus, you blew it" comment really got to me. > Yowie also explained Fergus' history to you, when you asked her, but > maybe you were too upset to take it in properly. Fergus did not come > from a shelter, but from a feral colony that lives around Yowie's > workplace. And the Animal Welfare people said she would be placed with a > fosterer with experience with ferals until she could be placed in a new > home, so not in a cage. She did say Fergus was formally feral, and we have four formally feral cats here at our house. I trust them more than some of our "tame" cats. Some of them will always be skittish, but all of them are now loving and special. They are also more sensitive than the others and don't cope as well with change. I put them in Fergus' place and can't imagine the feelings and panic they would experience. That broke my heart. That, and the fact IBK had been so good with the baby, which was the real worry. I'm glad Fergus was not going into a cage -- I didn't remember or didn't read that part. > I hope IBKFergus is happy and getting the attention she needs, wherever > she is. I hope so too, gawd, I hope so. I wish we could find out that she's okay. Thanks for the post, Rhonda >> I hope IBKFergus is happy and getting the attention she needs, wherever >> she is. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Rhonda Yowie is away at the moment and I'm not sure when she'll be back. If you don't get a response from her in this thread you'll have to assume it is because she is away and not reading RPCA at the moment. She and I had several phone conversations at the time all this was happening and I'm 100% sure that she did everything she could for IBK to ensure that there was a positive outcome from a very undesirable situation. Tish >>>I hope IBKFergus is happy and getting the attention she needs, wherever >>>she is. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tish Thanks, Tish, I just hope IBK is in a new home by now and has adapted. We found a home for one of a group of feral kittens we trapped years ago. This one was given back to us at 3 years old. What a nightmare, he hid in the closet for 2 weeks and hissed every time I walked by (this was a cat who watched TV and slept beside his previous owner.) It took me a long time to get him to come around. I hope they were able to get IBK homed quickly and that someone put in the time needed to win her trust. Rhonda > > The people there are not monsters. They can be less sunshine and > roses > > It's not quite as black and white as that. There are different ways > to disagree. (snippage) > On the other hand, there's a very wide gap between decent, respectful > disagreement, and plain old nastiness. I love controversy and debate, > but not when people start calling each other morons, moral cretins, > etc. Arguing over different opinions is great - name calling is not. And that's exactly what was occurring. Just plain nastiness and name calling sinking down to a personal level even though those calling me names don't know me from Adam. I was even getting private emails from people I'd never heard of before containing all sorts of nasty remarks. And *that* I will report to a person's ISP, you betcha. > The ability to disagree, without resorting to abusive personal > insults, is not "sunshine and roses". I do think some of the people [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Joyce Another point against cross-posting. If some folks on h+b were upset about something Dan said or did there was no reason to drag it into this newsgroup where the discussion didn't even take place. And then, of course, it devolved into hurled epithets and insults. There was no call for it. Jill > And that's exactly what was occurring. Just plain nastiness and name > calling sinking down to a personal level even though those calling me names > don't know me from Adam. I was even getting private emails from people I'd > never heard of before containing all sorts of nasty remarks. And *that* I > will report to a person's ISP, you betcha. tk tk tk tk tk tk tk tk tk t (it's a clock ticking) Jill get your sh.t together > Yeah, but you don't cross-post and invite an onslaught of criticism about > every little thing :D The fact that you aren't in my killfile demonstrates [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jill there's not but a few that would beat anyone over the head about letting a cat outdoors Charlie let his cat outdoors, nobody said nothing. Let your pussy out and see what happens... I mean.. let your pussy out TELL ABOUT IT then see what happens to you that's the only way to get to the bottom of this <force feeding myself another slice of orange slice cake> . The cat "behavior" people also want your cat to > play in traffic because it's natural to let them roam loose. Please don't > invite them into this newsgroup! We don't need another onslaught from the > trolls! > > Jill That is not true, Jill. From whom do you get that impression? Who "wants your cat to play in traffic"?? If you read that, it must have been a troll. There are a few outdoor advocates on that newsgroup, just like here. Most of them are English, just like here. They happen to live in a safer environment than we do, but they don't advocate letting your cat out in traffic. Just for the record, I've never seen any benefit whatsoever to crossposting. It usually does cause problems. I really don't like it when I unknowingly reply to a post, then realize too late it's been posted in other groups that I don't intend to post in. Sherry > . The cat "behavior" people also want your cat to >> play in traffic because it's natural to let them roam loose. Please [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That is not true, Jill. From whom do you get that impression? Who > "wants your cat to play in traffic"?? Said tongue in cheek but to me it amounts to the same thing if you let your cat outside. I live on a busy street corner so it's simply NOT a good idea to have outdoor cats where I live. > If you read that, it must have been a troll. There are a few outdoor > advocates on that newsgroup, just like here. Most of them are English, > just like here. They happen to live in a safer environment than we do, > but they don't advocate letting your cat out in traffic. Trolls are my point. I guess you weren't the personal victim of verbal onslaughts which occurred during the last wave of trolls which resulted from cross-posting to the other cat ngs. Many a subject line had my name specifically mentioned, for what reason, I don't know. I got to be on a first name basis with the tech at news.individual.net as a result. > Just for the record, I've never seen any benefit whatsoever to > crossposting. It usually does cause problems. I really don't like it > when I unknowingly reply to a post, then realize too late it's been > posted in other groups that I don't intend to post in. > > Sherry That's sort of my point :) >> . The cat "behavior" people also want your cat to >>> play in traffic because it's natural to let them roam loose. Please [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > idea > to have outdoor cats where I live. I agree, but I am puzzled by why you think people on h+b prefer to let their cats outside. Some do, but many more oppose it (at least, those from the US -- with an international "membership," opinions will vary). >> If you read that, it must have been a troll. There are a few outdoor >> advocates on that newsgroup, just like here. Most of them are English, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > That's sort of my point :) > Why would I remove them???????. > They live in the house and that is the only way I don't step on them in > the middle of the night or know where they are in my house which is big. > They have learned to walk silent with the other bells. Those are they > only ones that jingle when they walk or move. And yes if they needed to > be removed the collar is detachable but the bells are staying. Matthew, your kitties are purrrddy. I like the bells too. Pam S. > http://i9.tinypic.com/4hwjaq9.jpg > > What trouble can I get into up there in Daddy's new boxes I really *REALLY* wish you wouldn't cross-post to the "behavior" newsgroup. Those folks are all about trolling when it comes to having a different point of view. In fact, I think that's one of the reasons this ng was created since they get pretty dang vicious if they don't agree with what you post. >> http://i9.tinypic.com/4hwjaq9.jpg >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of view. In fact, I think that's one of the reasons this ng was created > since they get pretty dang vicious if they don't agree with what you post. My apologies Jill but in retrospect this group can be just as bad if not worse at times. Both of us have seen it here between the two groups this one get more trolls than behavior; members there are the type that just don't hold back. Be lucky you don't go to alt.cats is the worse for trolls and a@@holes. I am not looking to pick a fight please don't take it as such. :-) I am a member of all the cat groups except the community one. My friend are mostly in these two group but I will send separate post from now on since you asked. >>> http://i9.tinypic.com/4hwjaq9.jpg >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > friend are mostly in these two group but I will send separate post > from now on since you asked. Thank you. No problem really except the folks who handle news.individual.net had to deal with filtering an onslaught last year and many of the posts were specifically aimed at ME, by name. I took great exception to that as did the guy who was dealing with the filtering. Persia is meatloafing at my feet, occasionally leaning up to get scritches. She's such a sweet cat and I'm so glad she found me! Jill >>> http://i9.tinypic.com/4hwjaq9.jpg >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > friend are mostly in these two group but I will send separate post from > now on since you asked. I agree with what you said, Matthew. I post both to rpca and the behavior group (plus some others). It would be rare for me to cross-post, but I have seen tacky behavior on all of the groups and also some very kind, helpful advice on all of the groups. I am with Jill in my dislike of trolls, and I think all the trolls and flame wars has greatly damaged all of these groups. At the same time, I see people on rpca (*not* you, Jill) who complain in rpca about bad behavior on h+b, and *some* of them have engaged in exactly the same type of conduct. In other words, they use vulgar language on h+b (thereby contributing to the problem) and then post sugary words in rpca. It doesn't work that way for me, folks. I try to offer help and suggestions when I can, but I don't change my personality to suit a particular group. MaryL > http://i9.tinypic.com/4hwjaq9.jpg When I was growing up we had a tortie-point siamese that mated with the local Big Black Cat. We kept two kittens - Otis and George. Otis was a gorgeous black and white - George was a Big Orange and white tuxedo. Your photo reminded me of them. Thanks. :) -L. > When I was growing up we had a tortie-point siamese that mated with the > local Big Black Cat. We kept two kittens - Otis and George. Otis was > a gorgeous black and white - George was a Big Orange and white tuxedo. > Your photo reminded me of them. Thanks. :) > -L. <passing -L. a tissue> there there.. it's going to be alright |
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