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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Nov 2006 01:00 GMT
My babies are busily exploring their new home, and we are a
family again!  I moved to Arizona on October 30th, having
boarded the cats for the previous three days to spare them
the chaos of the move.  We then drove from California to
Fountain Hills, spending one night in a motel. The cats were
good as gold, scarcely a peep out of them.  (I think having
them share a carrier, since they are on good terms, was a
great idea - they comforted each other.)  As planned, I
stayed with my brother for a bit over a week, boarding the
cats at a nearby vet (He told me his complex does not allow
pets - although I suspect it was he who did not want to
share his dwelling with felines.)  I moved in here (Paradise
Lakes Apartments - the address is Phoenix, but I think the
area is Paradise Valley) on November 9th, after the movers
had to wait out a two hour delay because maintenance had to
clean the place "to remove the dead bugs".  (I assumed
because the exterminator had been, the day before - which
was true as far as it went, and they DID remove the DEAD
bugs.)  However, when I opened the dishwasher to see what
kind of appliance I'd be dealing with, it was simply
SWARMING with cockroaches, all very much alive!

When I complained to the management, they said the
exterminator would be back the following, Wednesday (the 9th
was Thursday).  Consequently I've been camping out, living
on frozen dinners because I didn't want to unpack my dishes
and cooking utensils until they'd sprayed the cupboards.  I
bought some roach spray myself, too - sprayed inside the
cupboards and have been zapping any I found crawling
anywhere (mostly in the kitchen and the bath, although none
of the walls are entirely exempt).  Considering my bitter
complaints, and a very strong letter I hand-delivered to the
management office, they got the exterminator out on Monday,
and it has had some effect (most of the bugs I see now are
either dead or dying).  However, he was supposed to come
again Wednesday and did not - that is he did the rest of the
complex but skipped me, because he'd been here Monday.  Now
I have to wait until NEXT Wednesday!  I can't really blame
the management, judging by the varying sizes (from tiny
hatchlings to inch-and-a-half-long great-grandfathers) the
problem has existed for some time, and the former tenants
apparently said nothing (just put a few roach traps in the
clothes closets).  Apparently they also ignored the fact
that the kitchen sink drainpipes were leaking like a sieve -
every time I ran water in the sink, I found water on the
floor, and you can see where there is long-term water damage
 on the bottom of the cabinet under the sink.  THAT got
fixed within two days, but the roaches are still with us.  I
was supposed to pick the cats up last Saturday, but didn't
want them around when the exterminator came, so arranged to
board them until today (at $13 per day per cat).  Today the
office suggested that, since the problem was so bad, they
should fog the place on Wednesday!  I told them that was
simply not an option, since I'd already incurred more
expense than planned in boarding the cats to allow them time
to deal with the problem this past week.

In the past, I had excellent results with ant problems when
I used a shelf-paper called "No Bugs M'lady" (which was
supposed to deal with roaches, too, and used to be available
in any grocery store).  I discover that now I must special
order it on the internet, it's a lot more expensive than it
was, and will take nearly two weeks until delivery.  It's
worth it, IMO, but in the meantime, what do I do with all
the stuff I haven't unpacked?  (More to the point, how do I
cope, when I've no idea where anything IS?)

Well, at least I have my babies with me again, and they seem
to be adjusting well, so far.  (But we wouldn't refuse a few
purrs.) It's really a nice apartment, part of a complex of
1200 units, with swimming pools and exercise rooms, a
recreation building, and various community activities.  I
expect we'll be happy here, but I'll be lucky if I have
things in order by Christmas, never mind Thanksgiving!

Anyway, thought I should post an update, and let you all
know I am now living in Arizona instead of California.

Evelyn
mlbriggs - 17 Nov 2006 01:29 GMT
> My babies are busily exploring their new home, and we are a
> family again!  I moved to Arizona on October 30th, having
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>
> Evelyn

It sounds like the Bug Capitol of the world.  Purrs that your problems can
be solved soon.  MLB
Marina - 17 Nov 2006 05:10 GMT
> Well, at least I have my babies with me again, and they seem to be
> adjusting well, so far.  (But we wouldn't refuse a few purrs.) It's
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> Anyway, thought I should post an update, and let you all know I am now
> living in Arizona instead of California.

Ugh, cockroaches sound like disgusting creatures. Many purrs that they
go away, and that the girls settle in nicely, and you too, Evelyn.

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jmcquown - 17 Nov 2006 06:11 GMT
> Well, at least I have my babies with me again, and they seem
> to be adjusting well, so far.  (But we wouldn't refuse a few
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>
> Evelyn

I'm so glad your babies are with you again at last!

I do have to say, though, I wouldn't consider that a "nice" apartment.  Oh,
I'm sure the apartment itself is nice.  But what sort of management company
hasn't removed the DEAD roaches before move-in day?  And not check to make
sure there aren't any more around?  Or without first making sure the
plumbing was working correctly and the resultant water damage from a leak
had been repaired?

Every apartment I've lived in, the manager and I did a "walk through" before
move-in day.  I had to sign off on everything, from making sure the faucets
worked (without leaking), the toilets flushed, the shower functioned, check
the appliances for functionality and of course, make sure there aren't any
bugs.

I guess they just do things differently in California.

Jill
tension_on_the_wire - 17 Nov 2006 10:19 GMT
> I guess they just do things differently in California.

Arizona.
--tension
jmcquown - 17 Nov 2006 16:44 GMT
>> I guess they just do things differently in California.
>
> Arizona.
> --tension

Sorry, got it backwards but still.... I'd be worrying about living in that
place.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Nov 2006 17:58 GMT
>>>I guess they just do things differently in California.
>>
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> Sorry, got it backwards but still.... I'd be worrying about living in that
> place.

You think I'm NOT????  I'd have been happy with a mobile
home park, but my brother is more upscale (at least he DID
pay attention to what I told him was the maximum I felt I
could AFFORD - including tax, pet rent, and the other extras.)
jmcquown - 17 Nov 2006 23:28 GMT
>>>> I guess they just do things differently in California.
>>>
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> pay attention to what I told him was the maximum I felt I
> could AFFORD - including tax, pet rent, and the other extras.)

Didn't mean to imply you weren't concerned, but you did say it's a very nice
apartment and then listed the other amenities in the complex.  So it sort of
sounded like you thought it was great!  Mea Culpa.

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 18 Nov 2006 06:02 GMT
> Didn't mean to imply you weren't concerned, but you did say it's a very nice
> apartment and then listed the other amenities in the complex.  So it sort of
> sounded like you thought it was great!  Mea Culpa.

Oh, I do - it's just that I'd have been perfectly satisfied
with fewer amenities and more cleanliness.  (New carpet is
lovely, but I suspect they laid it OVER the roaches.)  I
think the exterminator's efforts are paying off - the live
roaches I'm seeing now seem to be small recent hatchlings,
not the enormous elderly ones I was encountering last week.
 (But Monday I make sure the office knows I expect a WEEKLY
exterminator visit until they are ALL gone.)  There's a
boric acid jell they use when one has resident pets, but
with such a heavy infestation, I think a few follow-ups are
indicated.

> Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Nov 2006 17:54 GMT
>>Well, at least I have my babies with me again, and they seem
>>to be adjusting well, so far.  (But we wouldn't refuse a few
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> plumbing was working correctly and the resultant water damage from a leak
> had been repaired?

Well, they admitted dropping the ball, and were most
apologetic, when they discovered it had not been done.
Although they have a full-time maintenance staff, some
things (like handicapped grab-bars for the tub) have to be
approved by the corporate office (they own a number of large
complexes, all over the U.S.).  Also, I'm not sure how well
the supervisory personnel speak Spanish, and most of the
maintenance workers don't seem to have much English.  I was
rather under the gun, because I used a California mover who
does very good work, so is much in demand and booked up well
in advance.  Consequently I relied upon my brother and his
girlfriend to scope places out, had to select a move-in date
before I even had an apartment, then tell the "rental
coordinator" that the November 9th move-in date was set in
stone, when she tried to tell me it would be ready November
12th!  (Otherwise, it might have been more than a month
before they could schedule the trip to Arizona.)
Consequently, I had my "walk-through" ten minutes after the
cleaning staff had left, and as the movers were unloading
their truck. (True, I hadn't signed the lease until then,
but what recourse had I?)

> Every apartment I've lived in, the manager and I did a "walk through" before
> move-in day.  I had to sign off on everything, from making sure the faucets
> worked (without leaking), the toilets flushed, the shower functioned, check
> the appliances for functionality and of course, make sure there aren't any
> bugs.

Yeah, I usually saw my rental residences long before I moved
in, too, but circumstances were a bit different this time,
with moving out of state, and arbitrary deadlines.

> I guess they just do things differently in California.

Arizona, actually - SFAIK, California does such things
normally. (I've never had to pay pet rent anywehere but
Arizona, either!)
Adrian A - 17 Nov 2006 12:28 GMT
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> Well, at least I have my babies with me again, and they seem
> to be adjusting well, so far.  (But we wouldn't refuse a few
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>
> Evelyn

The important thing is your clowder is with you and are happy. Purrs for the
bugs and plumbing to be sorted asap.
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Ollie - 17 Nov 2006 17:51 GMT
I've had real good luck with Roach Pruff (I think that's how it's spelled).
It's not supposed to be toxic, although it can't be good for the kitties in
large doses.  I simply closed the kitchen and ate out for a week and put it
all over the countertops, floors everything.  No more roaches.
Jack Campin - bogus address - 17 Nov 2006 21:59 GMT
> I've had real good luck with Roach Pruff (I think that's how it's spelled).
> It's not supposed to be toxic, although it can't be good for the kitties in
> large doses.  I simply closed the kitchen and ate out for a week and put it
> all over the countertops, floors everything.  No more roaches.

It's 98% boric acid.  Boron in high doses can cause kidney damage, but
it's pretty low-rosk as poisons go.

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Ben Goren - 17 Nov 2006 22:35 GMT
>> I've had  real good luck with  Roach Pruff (I think  that's how
>> it's  spelled).  It's  not supposed  to be  toxic, although  it
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> It's  98% boric  acid.  Boron  in  high doses  can cause  kidney
> damage, but it's pretty low-rosk as poisons go.

Boron is actually a macronutrient, like calcium and phosphorus and
the like. Of  course, as with  anything --  even water --  you can
overdose if you  try hard enough. To mammals, boric  acid is about
as toxic as  table salt or baking  soda, and is used  as a topical
antiseptic or (very diluted) as an eye wash. Don't go snorting it,
but don't worry if you or  the cats accidentally sniff some of the
airborn powder.

Boric   acid  works   fantastically   for  roaches   --  but   not
instantly. The powder clings to their  body hairs and causes fatal
chemical burns. It also does nasty things to them when they ingest
it  (when they  groom themselves  and  each other)  and when  they
inhale it. I  imagine finely  powdered salt  might have  a similar
effect.

But...it won't happen overnight. It'll take  a few days, but it'll
last practically forever, or until you vacuum it up.

If you and your neighbors  are reasonably clean, the roaches won't
have  any incentive  to come  back. The one  or two  explorers who
might wander  into your place  out of desperation won't  have much
luck, either, now that you've got a number of avid insectivores in
the place. Make  it clear  to the cats  that they  get super-extra
bonus points for each roach they  dispense with, and you might not
ever actually see one again.

Cheers,

b&

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John F. Eldredge - 18 Nov 2006 15:53 GMT
> >> I've had  real good luck with  Roach Pruff (I think  that's how
> >> it's  spelled).  It's  not supposed  to be  toxic, although  it
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>bonus points for each roach they  dispense with, and you might not
>ever actually see one again.

When I bought my house, almost 15 years ago, I had a roach problem in
the kitchen.  The house had been unoccupied for several months, and I
suspect that the previous owners might have accidentally left some
garbage or foodstuffs behind for a while (although there was no sign
of such when I moved in).  I put out roach bait, and within a few
weeks there were no longer any roaches to be found.  Since then, I
haven't had any problems, except for the occasional lone roach that
wanders in through an open door in the summer time.  So, you should be
able to bring the problem under control.

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jmcquown - 17 Nov 2006 23:35 GMT
> I've had real good luck with Roach Pruff (I think that's how it's
> spelled). It's not supposed to be toxic, although it can't be good
> for the kitties in large doses.  I simply closed the kitchen and ate
> out for a week and put it all over the countertops, floors
> everything.  No more roaches.

Sounds like a good suggestion.  But I don't have any way to close off my
kitchen. (sigh)  This time of year in Tennessee, when the temperatures drop,
the BIG roaches outside (akin to Palmetto bugs) tend to find their way
inside.  In the last two weeks I've spotted 4-5 of them in my kitchen, and I
just know there have to be more!  I'm absolutely and irrationally terrified
of these bugs simply because they are so GROSS!  After reheating a small pan
of stew I unthinkingly left it uncovered on the stove for a bit.  Came back
into the kitchen and a roach the size of a small trailer was eating what was
left in the pan.  EWWWWWW!  So what can I do to get rid of any other
interlopers?  Maybe set some of those Roach Motel things around?

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 18 Nov 2006 06:07 GMT
>>I've had real good luck with Roach Pruff (I think that's how it's
>>spelled). It's not supposed to be toxic, although it can't be good
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> just know there have to be more!  I'm absolutely and irrationally terrified
> of these bugs simply because they are so GROSS!

We got those in California a lot in the summer, too.  Some
people think they're "water bugs", bug actually they are
oriental roaches - more seasonal than the standard variety,
and generally come in from outside, don't breed in your
walls.  However, that doesn't make it any less alarming when
you come home late, turn on a light, and these ENORMOUS
critters scatter in all directions!  (They are so big that,
if you step on one, you can actually FEEL the lump under the
sole of your shoe!)
jmcquown - 18 Nov 2006 15:02 GMT
>>> I've had real good luck with Roach Pruff (I think that's how it's
>>> spelled). It's not supposed to be toxic, although it can't be good
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> and generally come in from outside, don't breed in your
> walls.

Exactly.  These aren't NYC cockroaches, either.  They are tree-roaches.
Palmetto bugs, in the south.

However, that doesn't make it any less alarming when
> you come home late, turn on a light, and these ENORMOUS
> critters scatter in all directions!  (They are so big that,
> if you step on one, you can actually FEEL the lump under the
> sole of your shoe!)

Yeah, they are gross!  And when one rushes at me because I've turned on the
light (they don't run from it, they dash rather quickly in my direction!) I
scream!  But how can I get rid of them??  It's not an infestation but if
they find a nice warm place during the winter there will be more, I don't
doubt it.  I have montly pest control at my apartment but they can't spray
inside because of my bird.  They do spray all around the outside.

I can't afford to live in a motel for a week with Persia and Peaches and set
off a bug bomb, even assuming I could get my landlord to agree to that.
It's not that I'm overrun (at least I hope not!)  But I did find one
floating in Persia's water fountain last month, I suppose it was thirsty and
fell in and didn't know how to swim).  What am I to do?  I'm starting to be
afraid to go into my kitchen and you all know how I love to cook.

Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Nov 2006 19:10 GMT
> We got those in California a lot in the summer, too.  Some
> people think they're "water bugs", bug actually they are
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> if you step on one, you can actually FEEL the lump under the
> sole of your shoe!)

Must be a southern CA thing, as I've never seen those in the Bay
Area. I've lived here 14+ years. In fact, I've never seen a single
roach since I moved here, which gives me the impression that they
don't like arid climates. (This climate is technically *semi* arid,
but anyway, it's much more dry than Massachusetts, where I saw many
roaches!)

Joyce
Jo Firey - 18 Nov 2006 21:34 GMT
> > We got those in California a lot in the summer, too.  Some
> > people think they're "water bugs", bug actually they are
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>
> Joyce

We certainly have them in Yuba City.  They aren't as prolific as plain old
house roaches.  But my office used to share a building with apartments and
they would get under the wall to wall carpet in the back room I used for
supplies.  They would crawl in there to die when the apartments were
sprayed.  It was like stepping on bubble wrap if you stepped on one.

Jo
John F. Eldredge - 18 Nov 2006 15:55 GMT
>> I've had real good luck with Roach Pruff (I think that's how it's
>> spelled). It's not supposed to be toxic, although it can't be good
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>left in the pan.  EWWWWWW!  So what can I do to get rid of any other
>interlopers?  Maybe set some of those Roach Motel things around?

That should work.  I would suggest getting one of the varieties that
have sticky patches on the back of the "roach motels", so that they
don't become cat toys.

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ollie2 - 17 Nov 2006 18:56 GMT
> My babies are busily exploring their new home, and we are a family again!
> I moved to Arizona on October 30th, having boarded the cats for the
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>
> Evelyn

Sorry about the roaches Evelyn, I know how you feel - we had an ant
investation a few years ago.   Hope you and the kitties are now settling in.
I am sure you will all love your new place, after all, roaches etc. can be
disposed of :)    Hope you will post how you get on.

Purrs,

Bev
 
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