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Susan M - 15 Nov 2006 01:42 GMT
We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It gets
dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight day
is sunset at 4:31 and sunrise at 8:37.  So, its dark and cold in the park
and coyotes come right up the gates as early as supper time.  Just now, at
6:00 PM, a pack started howling right behind the gate.  The cats rushed to
the window, which I opened so that those creepy chilling yips could be even
louder.  Chester growled at the window and then they both went and hid.  I
hate to hear it.

The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.  Which
is ALL GOOD.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Victor Martinez - 15 Nov 2006 02:53 GMT
> The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
> declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.  Which
> is ALL GOOD.

YAY!!!!! Let them enjoy a warm winter indoors!

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Susan M - 15 Nov 2006 04:05 GMT
>> The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
>> declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.
>> Which is ALL GOOD.
>
> YAY!!!!! Let them enjoy a warm winter indoors!

It's nice to see.  Otis goes into an almost hibernation-like state.  He does
a lot of yawning and moving around slowly and curling up in a cat disc.
Except yesterday, when the boredom finally overcame him.  He spent a good
few hours running around looking slightly alarmed as if he were being
stalked.  It was pretty entertaining and ultimately futile ...  so he curled
back up and went back to sleep.  Chester is as unpreturbed as usual.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 15 Nov 2006 05:00 GMT
> The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
> declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.  Which
> is ALL GOOD.

I didn't realize you had coyotes so close! Glad to hear the boys have
decided it's nicer inside. I can top you on the darkness - the sun is up
from 8.16. - 3.52 here today. Not that that's anything to brag about. ;o)

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 Nov 2006 05:10 GMT
> I didn't realize you had coyotes so close! Glad to hear the boys have
> decided it's nicer inside. I can top you on the darkness - the sun is up
> from 8.16. - 3.52 here today. Not that that's anything to brag about. ;o)

Yes, but in June you get to say "Nyah nyah nyah" to almost all of us. :)

Joyce
Marina - 15 Nov 2006 05:19 GMT
>  > I didn't realize you had coyotes so close! Glad to hear the boys have
>  > decided it's nicer inside. I can top you on the darkness - the sun is up
>  > from 8.16. - 3.52 here today. Not that that's anything to brag about. ;o)
>
> Yes, but in June you get to say "Nyah nyah nyah" to almost all of us. :)

That's true. :o)

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Susan M - 15 Nov 2006 14:39 GMT
>> The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
>> declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> decided it's nicer inside. I can top you on the darkness - the sun is up
> from 8.16. - 3.52 here today. Not that that's anything to brag about. ;o)

Yes - you can top that!  I do love the light in the summer though :-)  I'm a
big fan of winter too though.

The coyotoes come closer in the winter.  In the summer, we periodically hear
them in the wee hours, 2 - 3 AM, since its light past 10 PM and there are
tons of people around in the park.  They don't come up until late late at
night.  We have a 6 foot chain link fence all around the neighbourhood and
they're not so motivated that they try to break in.  There are jack rabbits
and all kinds of wildlife everywhere in the park (and in our neighbourhood -
cute till they eat your plants) so they are not desperate in the summer like
they seem to get in the winter.  That's why we are fanatical about getting
the boys in before dusk in the summer - we get them good and hungry and then
feed them inside at dusk.  They'd rather be out on those warm summer nights
but its obviously a very stupid idea to be out there - Otis still climbs the
window screens to express his displeasure though.  So, our cats have lived
for 10 years here ok - they don't go out in the park either and always come
from the neighbourhood when we call.  Our neighbours around the corner each
have cats close to 20 who've stayed close to home as well.

My parents neighbours kicked their cats out at night and didn't spend much
time with them to socialize them - the last one particularly broke
everyone's hearts.  He was a gorgeous Siamese called Willow who visited
everyone's houses and adopted another family part time around the corner.
He just didn't get enough human attention and bonding and was partly wild.
He used to go out into the park hunting all the time - we'd see him way out
in the park a mile away from his home and in the open.  One night he never
came home.  The adoptive family was heartbroken.  The original family was
clueless.  They've opted for a dog now instead, which is a very good thing.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 Nov 2006 05:13 GMT
> Just now, at
> 6:00 PM, a pack started howling right behind the gate.  The cats rushed to
> the window, which I opened so that those creepy chilling yips could be even
> louder.  Chester growled at the window and then they both went and hid.  I
> hate to hear it.

OK, I am puzzled. You hate to hear it, but you opened the window so the
cries could be louder? What am I missing here? :) Seriously, were you
hoping that the coyote cries would make the cats nervous so they wouldn't
want to go outside? (I'm not suggesting that you enjoy tormenting your
cats, but this seems like one of those times when fear is a Good Thing.)

> The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
> declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.  Which
> is ALL GOOD.

I'll say!!

Joyce
Susan M - 15 Nov 2006 18:23 GMT
> OK, I am puzzled. You hate to hear it, but you opened the window so the
> cries could be louder? What am I missing here? :) Seriously, were you
> hoping that the coyote cries would make the cats nervous so they wouldn't
> want to go outside? (I'm not suggesting that you enjoy tormenting your
> cats, but this seems like one of those times when fear is a Good Thing.)

I guess there are a bunch of reasons to open the window:

First, its a popular walking path so the first thought was to make sure that
everyone was ok - lots of people walk small dogs through there or have their
dogs off leash.

It's irrestible when you hear it.  Wild animals *right there* and a really
primal sound.

We couldn't actually pinpoint where the noise was coming from
without opening the window too and we really wanted to know where they were.
They *sounded* like they might be in the backyard next door so we needed to
know if there was a fence problem.  We could hear them fade away as they ran
off down the path though.

And yes, I like to scare the sh&t out of the cats
with the sounds of coyotes in the park to reinforce the idea of danger with
park wandering.  It scares them (they hid in my own house) which is a very
good thing.  They just don't go out in the park and that is good.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Nov 2006 06:28 GMT
> > OK, I am puzzled. You hate to hear it, but you opened the window so the
> > cries could be louder? What am I missing here? :) Seriously, were you
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

I agree, Susan; it is a creepy and chilling sound. They always sound
like they are right in the yard; then you can hear it fade and you can
tell they are running.
OTOH, it's a "home" sound that I've heard here since childhood. Lying
in bed at night, first I hear the coyotes, and then, the train whistle.
The coyotes I guess can hear the train before I can hear it. Those two
sounds *always* follow each other. Coupled to gether, it's a really
mournful sound. (plus lately the owls hoo-hooing!)
The cats don't run, but they go to the window and get very still and
wide-eyed. They're definitely creeped out too.

Sherry
Susan M - 16 Nov 2006 08:37 GMT
> I agree, Susan; it is a creepy and chilling sound. They always sound
> like they are right in the yard; then you can hear it fade and you can
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The cats don't run, but they go to the window and get very still and
> wide-eyed. They're definitely creeped out too.

I grew up hearing it too and consider it a real sound of childhood.  Despite
its creepiness, I feel really connected to nature when I hear it.  We
haven't had owls often - but the few times we've had them, I've found it
thrilling to hear them!  Do you know what kind of owls they are?

Susan M
Otis and Chester
William Hamblen - 16 Nov 2006 22:18 GMT
>I grew up hearing it too and consider it a real sound of childhood.  Despite
>its creepiness, I feel really connected to nature when I hear it.  We
>haven't had owls often - but the few times we've had them, I've found it
>thrilling to hear them!  Do you know what kind of owls they are?

We have screech owls around here, suburban Nashville, Tenn.  They go
"ee-ee-ee-ee-ee" like a lost soul.  Really spooky.

Bud

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sriddles@aol.com - 17 Nov 2006 15:13 GMT
> > I agree, Susan; it is a creepy and chilling sound. They always sound
> > like they are right in the yard; then you can hear it fade and you can
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

I don't know, Susan. I should google and see if I can figure it out.
They are really big, a lot bigger than I always thought an owl was.

Sherry
-L. - 18 Nov 2006 08:43 GMT
> I don't know, Susan. I should google and see if I can figure it out.
> They are really big, a lot bigger than I always thought an owl was.
>
> Sherry

Has to be a Great Horned.  They are HUGE.  The also sound very
hooty/eerie.
Sound:
http://www.owling.com/gr-hrnd1a.wav

>From here - http://www.owling.com/Great_Horned.htm

See also:

http://www.owlpages.com/owls.php?genus=Bubo&species=virginianus

-L.
sriddles@aol.com - 18 Nov 2006 14:43 GMT
> > I don't know, Susan. I should google and see if I can figure it out.
> > They are really big, a lot bigger than I always thought an owl was.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> -L.

That is the *exact* sound, times two. There are two of them.  I
remember an old wive's tale that if you hear an owl hoot three nights
in a row, someone in the house will die. Kind of disturbing! Add the
train, and the coyotes, and absolutely nothing else, that's what I lay
and listen to.

Sherry
-L. - 18 Nov 2006 22:38 GMT
> That is the *exact* sound, times two. There are two of them.  I
> remember an old wive's tale that if you hear an owl hoot three nights
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Sherry

Owls are awesome.  He's probably after Jake, though. :(

-L.
Susan M - 21 Nov 2006 04:02 GMT
> That is the *exact* sound, times two. There are two of them.  I
> remember an old wive's tale that if you hear an owl hoot three nights
> in a row, someone in the house will die. Kind of disturbing! Add the
> train, and the coyotes, and absolutely nothing else, that's what I lay
> and listen to.

That's is extra cool.  It would be so neat to see them - they *are* huge.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 15 Nov 2006 16:50 GMT
> We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It gets
> dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight day
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the window, which I opened so that those creepy chilling yips could be even
> louder.

I don't want to put my cats at risk, but I rather LIKE the
"music" of a chorus of Coyotes!  (Wolves, ditto.)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 Nov 2006 18:40 GMT
> > We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It gets
> > dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight day
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > the window, which I opened so that those creepy chilling yips could be even
> > louder.

> I don't want to put my cats at risk, but I rather LIKE the
> "music" of a chorus of Coyotes!  (Wolves, ditto.)

Me, too, although I don't think I've ever heard it in person. I've heard
it in films and on TV, though, and think the sound is haunting and
evocative. Of course, if they were almost outside my door and salivating
for my cats, the sound might evoke something other than the romance of
nighttime on the desert.

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 16 Nov 2006 01:29 GMT
>  > Susan M wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> for my cats, the sound might evoke something other than the romance of
> nighttime on the desert.

True!  The only times I've ever really heard them was when I
would visit a friend who lived in Altadena, California.
Often, when I was leaving about 10 P.M., you could hear them
singing in the hills near his property.
Stormin Mormon - 16 Nov 2006 02:15 GMT
Where do you live? In my part of the world we get woodchuck, rabbit,
and squirrel, and even more squirrels.

I do live in a trailer park, I'm sure that has plenty to do with it.
But coyotes, well, I've not seen those. Thought I saw a red fox, one
time. And deer down the road from me at the woodlands.

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We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It
gets
dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight
day
is sunset at 4:31 and sunrise at 8:37.  So, its dark and cold in the
park
and coyotes come right up the gates as early as supper time.  Just
now, at
6:00 PM, a pack started howling right behind the gate.  The cats
rushed to
the window, which I opened so that those creepy chilling yips could be
even
louder.  Chester growled at the window and then they both went and
hid.  I
hate to hear it.

The boys are out all of 5 minutes a day these days, having officially
declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.
Which
is ALL GOOD.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Susan M - 16 Nov 2006 05:04 GMT
> Where do you live? In my part of the world we get woodchuck, rabbit,
> and squirrel, and even more squirrels.
>
> I do live in a trailer park, I'm sure that has plenty to do with it.
> But coyotes, well, I've not seen those. Thought I saw a red fox, one
> time. And deer down the road from me at the woodlands.

I live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.  Our neighbourhood borders a huge
natural park that runs west directly into the mountains.  Through the land
runs a river so the area becomes a wildlife corridor.  We live in a city of
1,000,000 people but have coyotes, deer, jack rabbits, skunk, racoon, and
the odd black bear.  I really noticed the difference between here and
Switzerland, where we saw about three different kinds of birds.  The
weaselhead area, which we border, www.weaselhead.org boasts an astonishing
number of species of birds, animals, plant life and insects.  Lots more
biodiversity here since there haven't been hundreds and hundreds of years of
people here.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Will in New Haven - 21 Nov 2006 02:29 GMT
> > Where do you live? In my part of the world we get woodchuck, rabbit,
> > and squirrel, and even more squirrels.
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

New England has been settled for a long time but we have had,
especially in northern New England, a great expansion of wilderness
land as farms have been abandoned. We have had less of that in
Connecticut but we still have more wildlife than we had at the
beginning of the Twentieth Century.

We have almost every species that was here in colonial times. Wolves
are a major exception and bison, which weren't COMMON here in all
likelyhood, are another. We have moose and bear again, were never out
of bobcats and we may have more now than ever. We have whitetail deer
and wild turkeys. We have coyotes, which we never had before. We never
had grizzly or brown bears and we still don't. We have a population of
feral monk parakeets.

The coyotes, bobcats, feral dogs and possibly weasals are a danger to
cats. Although, to tell the truth, I have seen a cat with a
freshly-killed weasel and never seen any evidence of a weasel killing a
cat.

Reintroducing wolves would not endanger cats. They hunt large prey by
choice and would probably hunt moose, deer and SUVs in Connecticut.
Only the moose would be missed.

Will in New Haven

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Christina Websell - 20 Nov 2006 21:36 GMT
> We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It gets
> dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight day
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> declared themselves too old to freeze their furry butts off anymore.
> Which is ALL GOOD.

Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine what it
must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
It's not unknown for foxes to take cats here, but it's fairly unusual.  They
are a pest after my poultry though.  Mainly they hunt at night when my hens
are all shut up safely but now and again they come in the daytime and have a
killing spree.
As a result of this, I now hate them.  It's not very rational, but when I
was driving to work today there was a squashed fox on the road and my
immediate thought was "Hooray, one less chicken killed in the future.."

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Nov 2006 22:30 GMT
> Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine what it
> must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> was driving to work today there was a squashed fox on the road and my
> immediate thought was "Hooray, one less chicken killed in the future.."

Or perhaps *several* fewer chickens killed! :-/

Joyce
Susan M - 21 Nov 2006 04:06 GMT
> Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine what it
> must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> was driving to work today there was a squashed fox on the road and my
> immediate thought was "Hooray, one less chicken killed in the future.."

While I admire the coyotes to survive through all four seasons here and I
love all animals, I can't say I haven't felt the same way about coyotes as
you do about foxes.  I practically won't kill a mosquito but could be driven
to be quite violent where my cats are concerned.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 22 Nov 2006 22:28 GMT
>> Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine what it
>> must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> you do about foxes.  I practically won't kill a mosquito but could be
> driven to be quite violent where my cats are concerned.

That's exactly how *I* feel.  My garden is practically a wildlife sanctuary.
I have made and installed wooden nestboxes for birds.  I have a special bee
house made of bamboo tubes for red mason bees, a log that I have bored holes
in for other wild bees to lay their eggs in and "habitat piles" for insects
and small mammals.  I hate it if I accidentally step on a snail out for a
stroll on a wet night, but anything/anyone who harms my pets had better look
out..

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Nov 2006 23:16 GMT
> That's exactly how *I* feel.  My garden is practically a wildlife sanctuary.
> I have made and installed wooden nestboxes for birds.  I have a special bee
> house made of bamboo tubes for red mason bees, a log that I have bored holes
> in for other wild bees to lay their eggs in and "habitat piles" for insects
> and small mammals.  I hate it if I accidentally step on a snail out for a
> stroll on a wet night

<high five> I thought I was the only one who hated to step on snails!
Pretty much everyone I know *hates* them. They do eat your plants, but I
don't mind. I actually think snails (and slugs, too) are cute. I love
their little antennae.

> but anything/anyone who harms my pets had better lookout..

Yep, I feel the same way. Although, when push came to shove, I don't
think I was very, ahem, dangerous. The time two pit bulls attacked Smudge,
I was out there, kicking the dogs in my sock feet. I actually did manage
to scare them away, so I guess I *appeared* threatening to them, and in
the end, that's what matters, because that's what saved her. But if they
hadn't been scared off by me in my sock feet, I shudder to think what
would have happened to me, not to mention Smudge!

Joyce
Adrian A - 23 Nov 2006 09:48 GMT
>>> Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine
>>> what it must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
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>
> Tweed

I hate stepping on snails as well, but the last time I stepped on one it was
its own fault, it had been following me around all day. ;-)
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sriddles@aol.com - 23 Nov 2006 14:36 GMT
> >>> Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine
> >>> what it must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
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> --
> Adrian

Oh, my! How big are these snails?
(I love these kinds of posts, it's neat to hear about the animals that
are common for you all, but we never see. Like your hedgehogs too) The
only snails we ever see are teeny tiny ones around the lakes. About the
size of a pea.

Sherry
Adrian A - 23 Nov 2006 16:41 GMT
>>>>> Blimey, and I complain that I've got foxes here.  I can't imagine
>>>>> what it must be like to have coyotes after your cats.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Sherry

The common ones are about an inch across, funnily enouh they're sometimes
eaten by hedgehogs.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Nov 2006 19:28 GMT
>>>> I hate it if I accidentally step on a snail out for a stroll
>>>> on a wet night

>>> I hate stepping on snails as well, but the last time I stepped on
>>> one it was its own fault, it had been following me around all day.

>> Oh, my! How big are these snails?

> The common ones are about an inch across...

Snails in my area are about the same size - approx an inch (= 2.54 cm)
across.

I used to live in an apartment complex with landscaped grounds, and we
had a lot of snails. I would see smashed snail bodies and shells all over
the walkways. I swear, people stomped on them on purpose! :(  My ex and
I used to joke that we were going to set up a "snail crossing" on one of
the walkways, and people would have to *wait* until the snail had gotten
all the way across before proceeding. :)

Joyce
Susan M - 23 Nov 2006 23:45 GMT
> I used to live in an apartment complex with landscaped grounds, and we
> had a lot of snails. I would see smashed snail bodies and shells all over
> the walkways. I swear, people stomped on them on purpose! :(  My ex and
> I used to joke that we were going to set up a "snail crossing" on one of
> the walkways, and people would have to *wait* until the snail had gotten
> all the way across before proceeding. :)

that's not nice to step on them.  I'd love to see a snail crossing :-)

I bought a big snail for my aquarium in hopes that it would help clean it up
a bit.  We had these goldfish that kept growing and growing and I got a big
tank for them and cleaned it constantly but they're just dirty fish.
Eventually, I gave them to my son's Kindergarten teacher who has a outdoor
pond for them - they actually survive all winter under the ice in some kind
or torpor.  In any case, the snail died and I practically needed therapy.
I'd become attached to the little guy and couldn't bear to fish him him out
and dispose of him.  I am a completely pathetic animal/invertebrate person.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
sriddles@aol.com - 24 Nov 2006 05:05 GMT
> > I used to live in an apartment complex with landscaped grounds, and we
> > had a lot of snails. I would see smashed snail bodies and shells all over
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Oh, Susan, me too. We found one of "our" owls Tuesday tangled in a
barbed wire fence. We did what we could for it, then took off on a
40-mile drive to the nearest wildlife rehabilitator. It died before we
even got out of the driveway. I got so upset, WAY upset. It was a
magnificent creature, but I'd have gotten equallly  upset if it had
been a pigeon. Completley pathetic. About the only living things I can
kill without remorse are fleas and ticks.

Sherry
Sherry
Adrian A - 24 Nov 2006 10:47 GMT
> Oh, Susan, me too. We found one of "our" owls Tuesday tangled in a
> barbed wire fence. We did what we could for it, then took off on a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> been a pigeon. Completley pathetic. About the only living things I can
> kill without remorse are fleas and ticks.

That is so sad :-( It has always given me great satisfaction when I've been
able to rescue wildlife in distress but very upsetting when I couldn't.
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polonca12000 - 25 Nov 2006 20:43 GMT
>>I bought a big snail for my aquarium in hopes that it would help clean it up
>>a bit.  <snip>  In any case, the snail died and I practically needed therapy.
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> even got out of the driveway. <snip>
> Sherry

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Susan M - 26 Nov 2006 06:24 GMT
> Oh, Susan, me too. We found one of "our" owls Tuesday tangled in a
> barbed wire fence. We did what we could for it, then took off on a
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> been a pigeon. Completley pathetic. About the only living things I can
> kill without remorse are fleas and ticks.

That's terrible Sherry - that must have been really agonzing.  Was it a full
grown own?  I wonder how and why it got caught.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
sriddles@aol.com - 26 Nov 2006 06:37 GMT
> > Oh, Susan, me too. We found one of "our" owls Tuesday tangled in a
> > barbed wire fence. We did what we could for it, then took off on a
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Oh gosh, yes. It was huge. I'm guessing it weighed 15 pounds or so. The
wildlife rehabiltiator lady said it isn't unusual. She said he probably
swooped down after prey and didn't see the fence. They hunt at night. A
friend of mine suggested putting reflective tape on the fence every few
feet, which is what I did, especially on the cornerposts where the
wires are closer together.

Sherry

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Nov 2006 10:19 GMT
> I bought a big snail for my aquarium in hopes that it would help clean it up
> a bit.

Snails can live underwater? Or would the snail cling to the side of
the aquarium above the surface of the water?

> Eventually, I gave them to my son's Kindergarten teacher who has a outdoor
> pond for them - they actually survive all winter under the ice in some kind
> or torpor.  In any case, the snail died and I practically needed therapy.
> I'd become attached to the little guy and couldn't bear to fish him him out
> and dispose of him.  I am a completely pathetic animal/invertebrate person.

That would really upset me, too.

Joyce
John F. Eldredge - 24 Nov 2006 17:10 GMT
> > I bought a big snail for my aquarium in hopes that it would help clean it up
> > a bit.
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>
>Joyce

Yes, snails can live underwater.  You sometimes see an aquarium with a
snail inching along the inside of the glass.  There are even some
saltwater snails that live in the ocean.

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Susan M - 26 Nov 2006 06:26 GMT
> Snails can live underwater? Or would the snail cling to the side of
> the aquarium above the surface of the water?

This little guy lived underwater and zoomed around the aquarium ... in slow
motion.

> > Eventually, I gave them to my son's Kindergarten teacher who has a
> > outdoor
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>
> That would really upset me, too.

I've never understood how people can dismiss the death of any of these
living creatures.

Susan M
Otis and chester
Christina Websell - 28 Nov 2006 23:28 GMT
>> Snails can live underwater? Or would the snail cling to the side of
>> the aquarium above the surface of the water?
>
> This little guy lived underwater and zoomed around the aquarium ... in
> slow motion.

Normal "snails that live in your garden" cannot go underwater, there are
water snails who are happy to live in your aquarium and keep the glass free
of algae.
Tweed

>> > Eventually, I gave them to my son's Kindergarten teacher who has a
>> > outdoor
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> Susan M
> Otis and chester
Jo Firey - 29 Nov 2006 00:13 GMT
>>> Snails can live underwater? Or would the snail cling to the side of
>>> the aquarium above the surface of the water?
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> free of algae.
> Tweed

Just a word of warning.  If you get one that can, they reproduce like fruit
flies and are harder to get rid of than algae.

Jo
Victor Martinez - 24 Nov 2006 13:26 GMT
> that's not nice to step on them.  I'd love to see a snail crossing :-)

Tom loves to step on snails. He hates the little buggers. It's probably
not very buddhist of him, is it? ;-)

> or torpor.  In any case, the snail died and I practically needed therapy.
> I'd become attached to the little guy and couldn't bear to fish him him out
> and dispose of him.  I am a completely pathetic animal/invertebrate person.

You got attached to an invertebrate?!?!?!?! You are so sweet!!!! :)

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Jo Firey - 25 Nov 2006 00:43 GMT
>> that's not nice to step on them.  I'd love to see a snail crossing :-)
>
> Tom loves to step on snails. He hates the little buggers. It's probably
> not very buddhist of him, is it? ;-)

I have to agree with Tom.  Mostly because it is very hard to start any plant
from seed here, and if you do manage the snails chomp them off.

I have a very "not in my yard" feeling where they are concerned.

Jo
Susan M - 26 Nov 2006 06:30 GMT
> Tom loves to step on snails. He hates the little buggers. It's probably
> not very buddhist of him, is it? ;-)

I guess that we don't have the temptation here.  We don't get much in the
way of snails in our desert like environment so we don't have problems with
them.

>> or torpor.  In any case, the snail died and I practically needed therapy.
>> I'd become attached to the little guy and couldn't bear to fish him him
>> out and dispose of him.  I am a completely pathetic animal/invertebrate
>> person.
>
> You got attached to an invertebrate?!?!?!?! You are so sweet!!!! :)

Pathetic Victor, pathetic.  the only things that I don't mind killing that
much are cockroaches, given the horror of living in a cockroach infested
apartment in Toronto.  Ugh.

The fish, on the other hand, were really great.  They'd swim up to the walls
of the aquarium when we came into the kitch enand seemed really interested
in what was going on.  The darn things grew to the size of the aquarium
though and I started to feel really badly about the fact that they'd swish
their tails twice and bump into the other wall.  I gather the big pond is
working well for them and they both survived their first winter in the pond.
I find that remarkable.  Who would have thought that goldfish would survive
a Calgary winter???

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Will in New Haven - 21 Nov 2006 02:10 GMT
> We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It gets
> dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight day
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

If I had coyotes that close and I didn't have an absulutely super-freak
"I'm outdoor only" cat or cats, the excursions would be over for now.
There are coyotes near here but our lot are all indoor anyway. Our
neighbors had a cat disappear this past summer and I would say that the
coyotes are the single most likely villains, although it could be
anything. There are tons of trees around here and other places a cat
could climb that would be coyote-proof but those bastards are quick and
clever.

Twice lately, Bear has started into the trees when I was walking him
and growled while the hair literally stood up on his neck. And on mine.
Bear loves people, other dogs, and cats. He is called the neighborhood
goodwill ambassador. I think he smelled our local coyotes and maybe
they were visible to him but not me.

Will in New Haven

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Jo Firey - 21 Nov 2006 04:16 GMT
>> We're just over a month away from the shortest day of year here.  It gets
>> dark around 4:50 now and the sun rises at 7:50.  The shortest daylight
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>
> Will in New Haven

Kayla does that when something spooks her.  We've had hawks circling near
the playground lately and she does the whole crouch and raised hackles think
when they are overhead.  Its freaky to see my baby turn into something that
very nearly resembles a white and black wolf.

Jo
Marina - 21 Nov 2006 04:34 GMT
> If I had coyotes that close and I didn't have an absulutely super-freak
> "I'm outdoor only" cat or cats, the excursions would be over for now.

LOL, you've pretty much described Susan's Otis when he is in that mood.

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Susan M - 21 Nov 2006 13:52 GMT
>> If I had coyotes that close and I didn't have an absulutely super-freak
>> "I'm outdoor only" cat or cats, the excursions would be over for now.
>
> LOL, you've pretty much described Susan's Otis when he is in that mood.

Reading my mind Marina :D

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