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Pat - 20 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT
I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
sick to post.
Julie and Sam - 20 Oct 2006 02:59 GMT
>I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
>sick to post.

Purrs on the way for Dan from Hobbes, Lacey and Barnabus and I'm sure dopey
purrs from Sam as well.  He sent me an email today, twice (better safe than
sorry - and Lee, he gave you a glowing referral, btw). I hope that its
nothing serious.

Julie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Oct 2006 03:07 GMT
"Pat" <pdavis@fidnetnospam.com> wrote in message

> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
> sick to post.

Oh, dear! That's terrible. I wonder how he got dehydrated?? Does he have
a fever? (I remember he posted a little while ago saying he had the flu.)

Very watery purrs for Dan from me and my crew.

Joyce
Victor Martinez - 20 Oct 2006 02:59 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
> sick to post.

Lots and lots of purrs. Hopefully it's nothing serious. Does anybody
have his phone number?

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Marina - 20 Oct 2006 03:21 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
> sick to post.

This is very worrying. Many, many purrs on the way for Dan to feel
better soonest.

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Sam - 20 Oct 2006 03:58 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
> sick to post.

Purrs on the way for DanM.

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Dan M - 20 Oct 2006 03:59 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
> sick to post.

Thanks for the concern, but I'm finally getting back on my feet.

I had the flu a couple weeks ago, and I guess I got a bit behind the
hydration curve then. I was dizzy and light-headed over the weekend so I
stayed home from work Monday. When I woke up Tuesday I had really nasty
vertigo - just moving my head made the room spin and brought on a
massive attack of nausea. I spent half the day trying to lie perfectly
still, but gave up in the early afternoon and had my brother run me to
the emergency room.

They gave me a couple liters of IV fluids and a batch of anti-vertigo
drugs and did a bunch of blood tests and some x-rays, and the doc told
me to stay home for the rest of the week. I haven't been able to focus
on anything for more than a few minutes at a time, hence just about no
e-mail or Usenet (or reading - talk about withdrawal!).  But this
afternoon I'm actually able to focus on the screen for half an hour
without getting barfy, so I'm on the mend. I'm even thinking about going
back to work tomorrow.

The doc gave me a clean bill of health, other than being a couple quarts
low on fluids. Heart is fine, no neuro problems, blood sugar ok, etc. so
I'll be able to catch up on RPCA, RPCC, and e-mail over the next day or so.

Dan
Marina - 20 Oct 2006 04:05 GMT
> The doc gave me a clean bill of health, other than being a couple quarts
> low on fluids. Heart is fine, no neuro problems, blood sugar ok, etc. so
> I'll be able to catch up on RPCA, RPCC, and e-mail over the next day or so.

So glad to hear you are OK, Dan! Keep drinking! Wet purrs on the way!

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Stormmee - 20 Oct 2006 04:56 GMT
thank bast I was just getting ready for a panic attack, Lee
> > I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> > hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
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>
> Dan
Adrian A - 20 Oct 2006 10:45 GMT
> thank bast I was just getting ready for a panic attack, Lee

For a lurker, you've posted quite a lot recently. ;-)
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Karen - 20 Oct 2006 05:44 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day
>> in a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Dan

Whew! Dehydration can be awful! I'm so glad you are feeling better.
mlbriggs - 20 Oct 2006 06:45 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Dan

This can be especially bad if you take diuretics.  Purrs for your good
health.   MLB
Joy - 20 Oct 2006 08:17 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in
>> a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Dan

I'm glad you're doing better.  It sounds as though you had a really
miserable day!  Why don't you give yourself another day off?  You don't want
a relapse.  In any case, take care of yourself.

Joy
Adrian A - 20 Oct 2006 10:44 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the
>> day in a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that
>> he's been too sick to post.
>
> Thanks for the concern, but I'm finally getting back on my feet.

That's a relief, you must look after yourself your clowder needs you.
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Randy - 20 Oct 2006 13:44 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
>Dan

The gang is sending get well soon purrs.

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 20 Oct 2006 15:47 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
>> sick to post.
>
>Thanks for the concern, but I'm finally getting back on my feet.

Glad you're feeling better Dan! Look after yourself...
Jo Firey - 20 Oct 2006 17:38 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in
>> a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Dan

Take the time you were told to take.  (I hope you do anyway)

It is really tough when you are dehydrated and you know you need fluids but
the very idea of swallowing water or anything else make you feel nauseous.

Hope you feel much better when you can get your system back in balance.

Jo
Cheryl - 20 Oct 2006 22:31 GMT
> The doc gave me a clean bill of health, other than being a
> couple quarts low on fluids. Heart is fine, no neuro problems,
> blood sugar ok, etc. so I'll be able to catch up on RPCA, RPCC,
> and e-mail over the next day or so.

Glad you're feeling better, Dan. When I saw the first post, I
remembered that you had the flu, and it's scary sometimes because it
can really affect you badly some times. A good reminder for everyone
to drink plenty of fluids if you do get the flu, and to try to
prevent it with steps (that don't always work!!).  I'm getting my
first ever flu shot this year in early Nov.

Take care of yourself and rest up.

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tension_on_the_wire - 21 Oct 2006 04:23 GMT
> Glad you're feeling better, Dan. When I saw the first post, I
> remembered that you had the flu, and it's scary sometimes because it
> can really affect you badly some times. A good reminder for everyone
> to drink plenty of fluids if you do get the flu, and to try to
> prevent it with steps (that don't always work!!).  I'm getting my
> first ever flu shot this year in early Nov.

Should I take this opportunity to spam you all
about getting your flu vaccines?  It's very
important, now more than ever.

--tension
Jo Firey - 21 Oct 2006 04:41 GMT
>> Glad you're feeling better, Dan. When I saw the first post, I
>> remembered that you had the flu, and it's scary sometimes because it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> about getting your flu vaccines?  It's very
> important, now more than ever.

Heck, I tried.  I saw my new doctor for the first time yesterday.  And
remembered to ask about the flu shot.  I had it on my mind after reading
that Dan was sick.

But they are all out!  Have to go back after November 1st.

Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Oct 2006 09:37 GMT
> Should I take this opportunity to spam you all
> about getting your flu vaccines?  It's very
> important, now more than ever.

Why? I've only gotten one once, back in the 70s. I never get the flu.

(I hate to even say that, and I want everyone to know that I'm knocking
on my wooden desk!)

Joyce
tension_on_the_wire - 21 Oct 2006 17:24 GMT
>  > Should I take this opportunity to spam you all
>  > about getting your flu vaccines?  It's very
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joyce

The big picture with flu is that it mutates every year, which most
people have heard by now, but also that there are cycles which
seem to happen every ten years or so where a more severe
strain comes around, such as the nasty swine flu, etc.  But
even worse than that is that roughly every fifty or sixty years
or so comes a killer bug, such as the big epidemic of 1918
which killed more people than both world wars put together.
(40 million, in fact)
There was another episode around the late 1950's, actually
there were a couple at that time...Korean flu, and one other
I can't remember the name.  Anyways, we are very due
for one of those big bugs now, which was why that whole
thing with the avian flu was scaring the medical
establishment so much.  Until that big epidemic has
come and gone, it would be smart for everyone to
vaccinate, even if they have traditionally been immune
to flu up till now.

--tension
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Oct 2006 23:23 GMT
> There was another episode around the late 1950's, actually
> there were a couple at that time...Korean flu, and one other
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> vaccinate, even if they have traditionally been immune
> to flu up till now.

Will an ordinary flu vaccine provide any immunity to Avian flu?
I thought that each strain required a different set of antibodies,
so that immunity to one strain doesn't help much with a different
virus.

Joyce
tension_on_the_wire - 21 Oct 2006 23:36 GMT
jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:

>  > There was another episode around the late 1950's, actually
>  > there were a couple at that time...Korean flu, and one other
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> so that immunity to one strain doesn't help much with a different
> virus.

The vaccination process for influenza A is complex, but there are
a limited number of known variants, and through the years, they
mutate back and forth between each other.  Last year's shots,
therefore, won't be as effective against this year's flu.  But there
will be some similarity, and it will provide *some* protection.

The trick, and the reason why the flu vaccine is late every year,
is to try to predict or catch what this year's particular combo
will be....in the case of Avian flu, they have to wait and see
if it will mutate the dreaded H5 form, I believe it is, which
will make it more severe if it becomes transferable to humans.
This year's flu vaccine, not having Avian flu formulation in it,
might not be a total protection, but it is close enough to
at least give some protection, or at least, if one gets sick,
to modulate the illness so it is not so severe. The main
point is to deprive the influenza virus of a large
portion of the population to incubate and thereby
strike the weak part of the population, being the
sick, the elderly, and the very young.  If we are
vaccinated, then the virus cannot pass through
us to those more vulnerable.

It's a rough process, for flu, but so far the only real
protection we have.  As for the other poster's
remark about vaccinations being nothing but filth,
I won't even bother to comment.  Anyone who has ever
seen a child stricken with polio, diphtheria, tetanus,
Haemophilus influenza, meningitis,
or pertussis will know that it is worth every
single amount of effort we have ever made
to prevent people from being stricken by
these killer diseases.  Anyone who has
seen a case of measles go bad will never
forget it.  People who are
against vaccinations clearly have short
collective memories about what humanity
faced when confronted with these
horrible diseases.

--tension
John F. Eldredge - 22 Oct 2006 17:49 GMT
> > There was another episode around the late 1950's, actually
> > there were a couple at that time...Korean flu, and one other
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>so that immunity to one strain doesn't help much with a different
>virus.

They have to develop a new variety of flu vaccine each year because
the flu virus keeps mutating.  It is one of the most rapidly-changing
species known.  However, even if the virus has changed somewhat since
the vaccine was developed, the vaccine will still give you partial
protection by slowing the rate at which the virus can multiply, giving
your system time to develop antibodies to the particular strain you
have caught.

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Cheryl - 22 Oct 2006 19:52 GMT
> They have to develop a new variety of flu vaccine each year
> because the flu virus keeps mutating.  It is one of the most
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> which the virus can multiply, giving your system time to develop
> antibodies to the particular strain you have caught.

I've always wondered how it works with cats since the vax that my
cats get don't seem to change? I doubt it's because the virii don't
mutate, but I'm not sure. Or maybe they do, and it's as you state
above that it's partial protection. If that's the case, I still
wonder if humans should be vaccinated yearly, why the push for cats
so much less?  Maybe because they aren't exposed to others like we
are. Hmm. Ever confused about the pet vaccination thingie.

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John F. Eldredge - 22 Oct 2006 21:18 GMT
>> They have to develop a new variety of flu vaccine each year
>> because the flu virus keeps mutating.  It is one of the most
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>so much less?  Maybe because they aren't exposed to others like we
>are. Hmm. Ever confused about the pet vaccination thingie.

Viruses vary greatly in how fast they mutate.  Even in humans, some
immunizations are considered to be for life, although newer studies
suggest later booster immunizations might be a good idea for certain
viruses.  Even if the virus doesn't change over time, if you don't
encounter any viruses of that variety for the body to react against,
the immune system will gradually stop producing the antibodies.  

Antibodies are protein molecules that match the shape and chemical
makeup of specific portions of the exterior of viruses and bacteria.
They lock onto and encapsulate the invader, rather like the molded
styrofoam pieces used as padding around an appliance when you buy it.
If the virus or bacteria changes the shape or chemical composition of
its exterior, some of the antibodies won't fit, and the immune system
has to create new ones.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Oct 2006 21:18 GMT
Changing the subject line, since this discussion isn't about Dan
anymore!

>> They have to develop a new variety of flu vaccine each year
>> because the flu virus keeps mutating.  It is one of the most
>> rapidly-changing species known.

> I've always wondered how it works with cats since the vax that my
> cats get don't seem to change? I doubt it's because the virii don't
> mutate, but I'm not sure. Or maybe they do, and it's as you state
> above that it's partial protection.

Also, he said that the flu virus changes more rapidly than almost
any other virus. Maybe most of the feline viruses don't change very
much? Veterinary medicine probably keeps up with current strains of
feline diseases, too, and modifies the vaccines accordingly, but at
a slower rate. So there wouldn't be a need for cats to get frequent
updates on their shots.

I sometimes worry about Roxy catching stuff because I don't vaccinate
her at all. She has herpes and a vaccine would probably give her a
flareup (since she gets flareups whenever her immune system is off
dealing with some other problem). I just keep her indoors at all times,
and hope that's enough.

Joyce
Jeanne Hedge - 22 Oct 2006 22:19 GMT
>I sometimes worry about Roxy catching stuff because I don't vaccinate
>her at all. She has herpes and a vaccine would probably give her a
>flareup (since she gets flareups whenever her immune system is off
>dealing with some other problem). I just keep her indoors at all times,
>and hope that's enough.

Natasha is also an inside cat (well, semi-inside, as she only goes
outside for short periods of time and always under supervision). She'd
have to catch any "feline germs" pretty much 2nd hand, off of me or
other humans from other kitties we may have come into contact with.  

For the last couple years now she's only received the vaccinations
that are required by law - which is basically rabies only.  That
decision was made by me (with concurrence by both of her vets) because
of her age and not wanting to strain her system more than necessary.
But still, it hasn't seemed to have bothered her any, as she's been
pretty healthy, all things considered. >^.^<

(looking for some wood to knock on!)

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Cheryl - 23 Oct 2006 00:19 GMT
On Sun 22 Oct 2006 04:18:53p,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:453bd22d$0$34564$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net):

> I sometimes worry about Roxy catching stuff because I don't
> vaccinate her at all. She has herpes and a vaccine would
> probably give her a flareup (since she gets flareups whenever
> her immune system is off dealing with some other problem). I
> just keep her indoors at all times, and hope that's enough.

Same here with Shamrock. Bonnie is on an every 3rd year regime, and
the kittens will be soon, too. I guess I've adopted my former vets
stance on this as she feels that while they're young and healthy that
the vacs build up immunity, and she's not totally behind the every 3
or even 7 year rotation yet. But with Shamrock, his immune system is
compromised already (severe allergies) and the last time he was
vaccinated he didn't do very well afterwards.

Thanks for changing the subject line. :)

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Jo Firey - 21 Oct 2006 20:01 GMT
> > Should I take this opportunity to spam you all
> > about getting your flu vaccines?  It's very
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joyce

Think of it this way.  If you make sure you don't get the flu by getting the
shot, you also make sure you don't pass it on to anyone else.

The life you save may be someone else's.

Jo
Pat - 21 Oct 2006 20:46 GMT
> Think of it this way.  If you make sure you don't get the flu by getting
> the shot, you also make sure you don't pass it on to anyone else.
>
> The life you save may be someone else's.

There is another way to make sure you don't get the flu, but most of us
either don't know about it or are too lazy to do it. That way is to ensure
that your internal environment is inhospitable to the microorganisms that
cause the symptoms.

Most of us are walking cesspools, which is the kind of environment that
disease organisms thrive in. So, how do you stop or avoid being a walking
cesspool? Well, for starters, don't take vaccinations, which are pure filth.
And don't consume mucus-forming foods like white flour products, dairy
products, tofu, soymilk, white sugar, hydrogenated fats and excess meat (we
are biologically designed for no more than 1/8th of our intake to be flesh -
20 of our original 32 teeth are for grinding, 8 are for slicing, and only 4
are canines for tearing flesh). And purge your body of the mucus formed by
consuming these foods in the past.

How do you purge? Not by fasting alone - you need a good internal cleansing
program such as the one sold by Arise & Shine Herbal Products, followed by a
diet rich in fresh vegetables and whole grains.

Now, go and sin no more! ("Sin" in Aramaic - the original language of the
Bible - means to miss the target.)
sriddles@aol.com - 21 Oct 2006 21:06 GMT
> > Think of it this way.  If you make sure you don't get the flu by getting
> > the shot, you also make sure you don't pass it on to anyone else.
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> Now, go and sin no more! ("Sin" in Aramaic - the original language of the
> Bible - means to miss the target.)

Heh. I have a better idea. Stay away from malls, crowds, school
children and the doctor's office. :-)
That's where you catch everything.
I never get sick with colds, or flu, strep, or anything like that.
Ever. I eat relatively healthy, but I do eat a lot of flour products
and nonfat dairy.  I never have had an internal cleansing...in fact,
that term kind of creeps me out.

Sherry
Pat - 21 Oct 2006 21:28 GMT
> I never have had an internal cleansing...in fact,
> that term kind of creeps me out.

It could be parasites feeling bad over the idea....
sriddles@aol.com - 21 Oct 2006 23:53 GMT
> > I never have had an internal cleansing...in fact,
> > that term kind of creeps me out.
>
> It could be parasites feeling bad over the idea....

Hmmm...could be. I hear a dose of Revolution will clear that right up.

Seriously, though. I know that a lot of people swear by natural
remedies and homeopathic treatments. I think there is definitely *some*
validity to it. But I've read those "cleansing" ads that use the
fear/disgust/parasite  factor to hawk their products. I think what they
are most successful at is separating you from your money sometimes. You
have to be careful with those things.

Sherry
Pat - 22 Oct 2006 00:17 GMT
>> > I never have had an internal cleansing...in fact,
>> > that term kind of creeps me out.
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> are most successful at is separating you from your money sometimes. You
> have to be careful with those things.

I used the Arise & Shine program for the first time in 1992. I didn't see it
in any ad and nobody told me about it. I found it by accident, almost. Tried
to visit a friend who was not home but had a visitor. The visitor was laying
on the floor and getting into odd poses while talking to me, so I finally
asked what he was up to, and he said he had just taken a coffee enema and
was trying to hold it in.

That led to a conversation about health and cleansing, which sounded like a
good idea to me, so I decided to check into it. My main motive was to lose
some weight off my midsection because I was starting to have trouble zipping
skirts.

I investigated *every* cleansing program on the market, and settled on this
one because it was the most thorough.

I followed it for two weeks, with my ex, the first time. I lost ten pounds
and 4" off my waistline, but that wasn't the best thing that happened from
it; the best thing was my golf-ball-sized breast tumor vanished completely.
And ex-DH got rid of a bucketload of huge roundworms and quit farting for
the first time since I'd known him. He didn't need to lose weight (he's
already too thin) and he didn't lose any.

Ex-DH and I were so impressed that we did the clease again about four months
later and both got more junk out than we did on the first go.
sriddles@aol.com - 22 Oct 2006 01:39 GMT
> >> > I never have had an internal cleansing...in fact,
> >> > that term kind of creeps me out.
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> Ex-DH and I were so impressed that we did the clease again about four months
> later and both got more junk out than we did on the first go.

I'm glad you had good results. It's not that some of those things are
dangerous per se (although some may be)...I think the danger comes in
when people put too much faith in won't see a real doctor because they
believe in some homeopathetic remedy, or voodoo, or faith healing, or
whatever. I have a friend who is dying from cancer because she did
*not* see a real physician soon enough.

Sherry
Pat - 22 Oct 2006 01:42 GMT
> I have a friend who is dying from cancer because she did
> *not* see a real physician soon enough.

Maybe she wouldn't have gotten cancer if she had "de-gunked" soon enough....
Cheryl Perkins - 22 Oct 2006 01:04 GMT
>> I never have had an internal cleansing...in fact,
>> that term kind of creeps me out.

> It could be parasites feeling bad over the idea....

But you probably *need* some parasites! After all, our ancestors in the
millenia before modern and effective de-worming and other anti-parasite
efforts, probably all had parasites. Of course, some of them didn't
live very long (or at least, had relatives who didn't live very long,
since if they were ancestors, they had to at least live long enough to
have children). But on the other, other hand, some of them lived to
ripe old ages, complete with parasites......

Maybe the less nasty parasites eat the really bad ones?? Health is
soooo complicated!

I've never had any kind of internal cleansing, since I operate on the
assumption that my internal organs have been working pretty well on
their own for quite a long time, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
But I did notice a quite dramatic drop in the frequency and severity of
colds when I switched from a high-stress job involving frequent contact
with what seemed like a very large proportion of the public to a
low-stress job with a computer in an office practically no one can
find, no contact with the general public and almost all work-related
contact with other humans via computer.

I still get a flu shot in case someone sneezes on me when I venture out
of my office (since I work in a very busy building with a lot of coming
and going to the more easy-to-find bits like the cafeteria and public
washrooms) and try to take more time and effort in handwashing, which I
am assured is a good to avoid colds.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Oct 2006 23:41 GMT
> Heh. I have a better idea. Stay away from malls, crowds, school
> children and the doctor's office. :-)

LOL, I agree! My ex-partner taught music to young children, and we
were both constantly sick. Since that relationship ended in early '99,
I've rarely been sick. The last time I got a severe winter flu type
of thing was right after travelling to Florida to visit my family. No,
I didn't catch it in Florida, I caught it on the *plane*. (There's
something else we should avoid! Forget snakes on a plane - how about
microbes?) And I brought it to Florida with me and gave it to everyone
in my family. That one was nasty.

When I was out of work (3 years), I never got sick. So I was a bit
worried that once I started working again, I would once again be
exposed to a lot of germs, and that with 3 years of relative non-
exposure, I'd be a sitting duck for all the new infections that had
been going around while I wasn't interacting with large numbers of
people regularly. But I've now been working for almost 6 months, and
so far, I'm doing OK. (Desk gets another knocking.)

Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Oct 2006 23:30 GMT
> Think of it this way.  If you make sure you don't get the flu by
> getting the shot, you also make sure you don't pass it on to anyone
> else.
>
> The life you save may be someone else's.

So it's my civic duty to get a flu shot, eh? :)

When my mother was having severe low blood sugar attacks and going
into fugues while driving, I used to yell at her about not driving
until she got that straightened out (which she has, thank god, since
getting an insulin pump). It went in one ear and out the other. Then
I asked her how she'd feel if she had my niece (who she adored) in the
car with her when she had an accident, and the niece got hurt. That
gave her more pause, but still didn't work. <sigh...>

Seriously, my main issue with the flu vaccine is that I'm not sure
it really works, and I also think that vaccines could mess with the
immune system in ways that aren't well-understood. I try to keep
vaccinations to a minimum. (About 6 years ago when I was bitten by
a cat at an animal shelter, I got a tetanus shot. I think that's the
most recent vaccine I've gotten.)

So I'm not completely convinced that my getting a flu shot will
keep me or anyone around me any healthier. I'm not 100% against it,
either, and am open to arguments on both sides.

Joyce
Adrian A - 22 Oct 2006 10:51 GMT
>  > Think of it this way.  If you make sure you don't get the flu by
>  > getting the shot, you also make sure you don't pass it on to anyone
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>
> Joyce

The only time I had a flu vaccine was when I was 18, that was the only year
I ever caught flu. It is quite possible that the strain I caught was not the
one I was vaccinated for but since then I haven't bothered. I've had a few
bad colds but not flu since then. My mother has a jab every year, because
she's asthmatic it's probably a good idea but if your general health is good
I'd take my chances.

Baggy seems extra purry today, as I type this he's pressed against my side
purring like a diesel engine. :-)
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Cheryl - 22 Oct 2006 19:48 GMT
On Sat 21 Oct 2006 06:30:45p,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:453a9f95$0$34578$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net):

> So I'm not completely convinced that my getting a flu shot will
> keep me or anyone around me any healthier. I'm not 100% against
> it, either, and am open to arguments on both sides.

That's how I felt about it too, which is why I've never had one. I
don't get the flu often, but when I do, it seems it takes more out
of me, and is harder to recover from. As is stated in this thread,
the flu seems to get stronger all the time as it mutates and I
guess it's to the point that it scares me a little.

I'd get a shot if you have the opportunity. I've been hearing
about a lot of *free* flu shot clinics here for this year, so even
if you can't afford it along with an office visit you can still
get one. They're doing free shots where I work this year. They've
always had a yearly shot at cost, but the new company is pushing
health awareness these days, along with no smoking on the company
premises starting in Jan. Ugh. That's going to be rough for me.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Oct 2006 21:13 GMT
> That's how I felt about it too, which is why I've never had one. I
> don't get the flu often, but when I do, it seems it takes more out
> of me, and is harder to recover from. As is stated in this thread,
> the flu seems to get stronger all the time as it mutates and I
> guess it's to the point that it scares me a little.

I do worry a bit about avian flu, since that seems to have the potential
to do some very serious damage. But it doesn't seem like it's going to
hit my area in a big way this winter (I know there have been isolated
cases in California, in *birds*), so I'm not in a rush to protect myself
from it right now. However, I will be considering it in the future.

> I'd get a shot if you have the opportunity. I've been hearing
> about a lot of *free* flu shot clinics here for this year, so even
> if you can't afford it along with an office visit you can still
> get one.

That's good to know. Money isn't the issue with me because I belong to
an HMO (through my job) which I'm sure gives the shot for free.

Thanks,
Joyce
Adrian A - 22 Oct 2006 21:30 GMT
>  > That's how I felt about it too, which is why I've never had one. I
>  > don't get the flu often, but when I do, it seems it takes more out
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> Thanks,
> Joyce

My greatest fear with avian flu is it is far easier for cats to be affected
than humans, with Snoopy getting quite elderly, nearly 17, I'd really worry
about her.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Oct 2006 07:48 GMT
> My greatest fear with avian flu is it is far easier for cats to be affected
> than humans, with Snoopy getting quite elderly, nearly 17, I'd really worry
> about her.

Yes, that is something I'm concerned about, too!

Joyce
Fuga :o) - 20 Oct 2006 22:51 GMT
I"m glad you are  getting better.

fuga
tension_on_the_wire - 21 Oct 2006 04:25 GMT
> Thanks for the concern, but I'm finally getting back on my feet.

> The doc gave me a clean bill of health, other than being a couple quarts
> low on fluids. Heart is fine, no neuro problems, blood sugar ok, etc. so
> I'll be able to catch up on RPCA, RPCC, and e-mail over the next day or so.
>
> Dan

By the way, glad you are feeling a bit better, Dan.
Take care of yourself

--tension
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 24 Oct 2006 02:13 GMT
>> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
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>
>Dan

Dan, glad to hear you are recovering.  Take good care of yourself,
okay?

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Kreisleriana - 20 Oct 2006 05:01 GMT
>I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
>sick to post.

Oh no!  My guys are up and purring for a true friend to kitties
everywhere!

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Karen - 20 Oct 2006 05:43 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day
> in a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's
> been too sick to post.

Oh no! Purrs for Dan!!
Joy - 20 Oct 2006 08:16 GMT
>I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
>sick to post.

I'm really sorry to hear that!  Purrs are on the way, with a few purrayers
thrown in.  Thanks for letting us know.

Joy
Adrian A - 20 Oct 2006 10:41 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the
> day in a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that
> he's been too sick to post.

Mega purrs on the way for Dan.
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SuzQ - 20 Oct 2006 11:47 GMT
Purrs going West for Dan M.
Suz&Spicey
jmcquown - 20 Oct 2006 16:23 GMT
> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the
> day in a hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that
> he's been too sick to post.

Purrs for Dan and his family.  Hope it's not anything serious.

Jill
Irulan - 20 Oct 2006 16:39 GMT
we are purring and praying for Dan M's quick recovery.
Lily & her mama

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>I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
>sick to post.
Christina Websell - 20 Oct 2006 19:11 GMT
>I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
>sick to post.

Lots of purrs that Dan makes a quick and full recovery from whatever is
wrong.

Tweed
Inge Grotjahn - 20 Oct 2006 22:16 GMT
Am 20.10.2006 schrieb Pat:

> I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
> hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
> sick to post.

Mega-purrs are coming over for Dan that this is nothing serious and
that he will feel better soon.

Purrs
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Ann - 21 Oct 2006 01:56 GMT
Healing purrs on the way.
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>I heard yesterday that he had to go to an ER and spent part of the day in a
>hospital for dehydration. I don't know much more than that he's been too
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