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Stormin Mormon - 20 Oct 2006 00:12 GMT Is it time for the UN to come in and liberate us?
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ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
October 19, 2006
JPFO ALERT: R.I.P. Habeas Corpus
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, another nail was pounded into freedom's coffin when President Bush signed the Military Commissions Act into law. Within the Act, the 800-year tradition of Habeas Corpus -- the right of the accused to face their accuser in court -- was essentially eliminated.
While much of the mainstream media glossed over this news with a disinterested yawn, one brave commentator made no bones about the magnitude of this treachery. Watch MSNBC's Keith Olbermann at http://tinyurl.com/yk6osh as he comments on this appalling development. If you do nothing else, WATCH THIS VIDEO! It will make your blood boil, to say the least.
In another video from MSNBC's "Countdown," Olbermann interviews Jonathan Turley, Professor of Constitutional Law at George Washington University ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=P25QkFZ-0zk ). Turley points out that even giving "material support" (such as a donation) to an organization that has been deemed "terrorist" can get you designated an enemy combatant as well. And who determines which organizations are associated with terrorism? The president alone.
We are no longer standing at the precipice of a tyrannical dictatorship -- we've stepped off the edge. The United States is gleefully skipping down the same path as the former Soviet Union, China, and Nazi Germany. "The Most Free Country on Earth" is now merely a phrase of propaganda, not reality.
Still don't believe it? Check out our "Police State" page at www.jpfo.org/policestate.htm . We're constantly adding new articles -- too many, we believe -- that document our slide into a tyrannical, dictatorial regime. Articles like this:
FBI Director wants ISPs to Track Users http://tinyurl.com/yhoxqs
Tracking your movements on the internet? Is this what our country is about -- quietly acquiescing as the American Stasi monitors your communications?
IT IS NOT!
America is about the Bill of Rights, that document which specifically states that there are rights upon which the federal government _cannot_ infringe. The Military Commissions Act essentially guts the Bill of Rights, and it is up to us, The People, to demand that our government follow its own charter.
JPFO is constantly exhorting our supporters to celebrate Bill of Rights Day each December 15. But is that enough? EVERY day should be Bill of Rights Day. When we think about our rights once a year (or less), we suffer.
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Chakolate - 20 Oct 2006 03:05 GMT > Is it time for the UN to come in and liberate us? The UN can't help us. The only hope now is the Supreme Court. You know, that bunch that was stuffed by Shrub?
Chak
 Signature I've learned that whenever I decide something with an open heart, I usually make the right decision. --Maya Angelou
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Oct 2006 19:52 GMT >>Is it time for the UN to come in and liberate us? > > The UN can't help us. The only hope now is the Supreme Court. You know, > that bunch that was stuffed by Shrub? Until now, this country has succeeded in effecting major changes by way of "bloodless revolution". (Or almost - some of the sixties protestors might argue that point.) When free speech and assembly become dangerous and invite intervention by our supposed "law enforcement", democracy is definitely under attack! Americans seem to be following in the footsteps of the average, ordinary German citizen in the 1930's. So long as we are not PERSONALLY affected, it's easy to ignore the erosion of our liberties, because it doesn't seem to matter. (Until one day it DOES matter, and the law no longer protects us, because we've let despotism take control!)
> Chak jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Oct 2006 20:12 GMT > Americans seem to be following in > the footsteps of the average, ordinary German citizen in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the law no longer protects us, because we've let despotism > take control!) "First they came for the immigrants, but I wasn't an immigrant, so I did nothing..."
Joyce
Chakolate - 20 Oct 2006 20:15 GMT > Until now, this country has succeeded in effecting major > changes by way of "bloodless revolution". (Or almost - some [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the law no longer protects us, because we've let despotism > take control!) Did you see Olbermann's commentary on the death of Habeas Corpus? He pointed out that it was the foundation for all our other freedoms. What good does the right to free speech and the right to vote do you if you can't get out of jail?
Chak
 Signature I've learned that whenever I decide something with an open heart, I usually make the right decision. --Maya Angelou
Dan M - 20 Oct 2006 20:26 GMT > Did you see Olbermann's commentary on the death of Habeas Corpus? He > pointed out that it was the foundation for all our other freedoms. What > good does the right to free speech and the right to vote do you if you > can't get out of jail? > > Chak Regardless of how one feels about the Bush White House, this is some scary crap. Nobody should have this much power, especially without oversight and due process.
I recently set up a site to collect and share information on emergency survival. It currently has nothing active but discussion boards. These recent actions on the erosion of habeus corpus are big enough that I've added a discussion topic to the forums just to talk about this issue. If you feel like participating, drop by http://wecanmakeit.net/forums
Now the big question is, what can we do about it? Sure, we can contact our elected representatives and express our fears and concerns, but that seems pretty puny when we're looking at this kind of erosion of our rights.
Dan
Annie Wxill - 20 Oct 2006 23:11 GMT ... Nobody should have this much power, especially without
> oversight and due process. >...> Now the big question is, what can we do about it? Sure, we can contact >our elected representatives and express our fears and concerns, but that >seems pretty puny when we're looking at this kind of erosion of our rights. > Dan I have found that after contacting an elected member of Congress, I get some sappy letter in return thanking me for expressing my concerns, blah blah blah, avoiding the issue altogether. But, I do it anyway, just to give whoever tallies the constituents' comments something to count. I seriously doubt that the actual office holders see these messages.
What can we do?
First, we can exercise a right we still have. We can vote. We can urge others to vote.in the coming election.
Second, we can recommend that everyone who cannot see the hammer hovering to read George Orwell's "1984" and look for similarities.
Annie
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Oct 2006 07:01 GMT > ... Nobody should have this much power, especially without > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Second, we can recommend that everyone who cannot see the hammer hovering to > read George Orwell's "1984" and look for similarities. Even more to the point, I recommend Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here". True, he was warning that Hitler was not alone (there was an organization called "America First" back in those days, which espoused a lot of Hitler's ideals), but fascism is fascism, whatever its brand-name. Although modern news media is more sophisticated, that only makes it easier to reach people more immediately - if the content is controlled, we can be more readily brain-washed, too.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Oct 2006 06:54 GMT >> Did you see Olbermann's commentary on the death of Habeas Corpus? He >> pointed out that it was the foundation for all our other freedoms. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > our elected representatives and express our fears and concerns, but that > seems pretty puny when we're looking at this kind of erosion of our rights. Well, organized protest worked pretty well in the sixties, and got us out of Viet Nam. (But that kind of fearless protest is generally initiated by the young - are American students so "career oriented" these days that they no longer pay attention to the political climate in their country?)
Chakolate - 23 Oct 2006 02:56 GMT > Well, organized protest worked pretty well in the sixties, > and got us out of Viet Nam. (But that kind of fearless > protest is generally initiated by the young - are American > students so "career oriented" these days that they no longer > pay attention to the political climate in their country?) People protest what they perceive to touch them directly. All those students were well aware that they could be drafted; even the girls knew their brothers and boyfriends could be forced to go (or to go to Canada).
People just don't seem to understand how important Habeas Corpus is.
Chak
 Signature I've learned that whenever I decide something with an open heart, I usually make the right decision. --Maya Angelou
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