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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2004Mad kitty!
Odessa has been throwing a holy tantrum since we found her last night. Usually a sound daylight sleeper, she was awake when Louie came home for lunch, prowling about the computer room, knocking books off the shelves, tearing up the bed, and saying very unprintable things. She's been snotty since we found her under the dresser last night, and Louie figured she might need another couple of days sequestered, and a more controlled introduction to the other kids. Roxie has been pissed as well; she has been the one spending the most time camped out by the door, and has been itching to discuss philosophy with her new sister. She showed her displeasure by telling my husband to do something that is only possible with latex appliances and smacking the food out of her bowl. I spent the night with Odessa last night, and she took her displeasure out on me by continually pulling the blankets off me, or at least making a valiant attempt at it. There is nothing like a cold wet nose on the feet at 5 in the morning to get one's attention. Everyone was right; yesterday she did indeed pull a b@st@rd cat trick, and I think she's having a hissy fit because we found her hidey-holes! I really can't blame her for needed some peace and quiet though. She'd been through a lot with the shelter, and going through a few owners; it's no wonder that trust is going to be hard-earned with her. Just to be on the safe side, Louie rigged up the dresser so she can't get beneath it now. So at least if she does go down cellar, we have some idea of how and where to find her. And he also apologized for making cracks about irresposnsibility. He's one of those who, when panicky, is not happy until everyone else around him is freaked out too. Blessed be, Baha I'd like to pause for just a moment, to have a tangential linguistic discussion. > Just to be on the safe side, Louie rigged up the dresser so she can't > get beneath it now. So at least if she does go down cellar, we have > some idea of how and where to find her. Oh, *WOW*!! I haven't heard the phrase "go down cellar" for years! (It means "go down to the basement", for the uninitiated.) But that's how my mother always said it. I just had a childhood flashback! I'm from Boston. My parents are from Boston. All of their parents were born in Boston, too. So I'm thinking maybe "down cellar" is a Boston-ism. Or maybe a New England-ism? Where're you from again? (Sorry, I can't remember at the moment.) We now return you to our cliff-hanging story of Odessa, the magically disappearing and reappearing kitty-brat. :) Joyce > I'd like to pause for just a moment, to have a tangential linguistic > discussion. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > born in Boston, too. So I'm thinking maybe "down cellar" is a Boston-ism. > Or maybe a New England-ism? I always find it weird to hear the American term "I'll write you" rather than saying "I'll write *to* you". I don't know when the dropped "to" or the "to the" in your case above first started to be thought of as correct grammar in American English, but to these Commonweatlth English ears, it always sounds wrong. But being quite ancient in terms of cuber-life, I've learnt that even "English" has distinct sub-languages, and no one particular dialect is any more "correct" than any other - just that some are "older". Ye Olde Yowieth >> So I'm thinking maybe "down cellar" is a Boston-ism. > I always find it weird to hear the American term "I'll write you" rather > than saying "I'll write *to* you". I don't know when the dropped "to" or the > "to the" in your case above first started to be thought of as correct > grammar in American English, but to these Commonweatlth English ears, it > always sounds wrong. It sounds wrong to me, too. Actually, I always thought it was one of my mother's linguistic peculiarities. Her one mandate in life (at least when I was young) was to do everything with the least amount of effort possible. So if you could get your message across saying "go down cellar", then why bother with the "to the" in the middle? :) I guess that's why I was so surprised to hear someone else say it. I was sure she'd invented it! (Hope you don't feel too self-concious, Baha! You'll soon find that we do this sort of thing a fair amount around here. We love to point and laugh at each other's odd expressions! Just kidding - but we do like to compare them and sometimes analyze them.) > But being quite ancient in terms of cuber-life, I've learnt that even > "English" has distinct sub-languages, and no one particular dialect is > any more "correct" than any other - just that some are "older". A case in point: what does "cuber-life" mean? :) Joyce >(Hope you don't feel too self-concious, Baha! You'll soon find that we >do this sort of thing a fair amount around here. We love to point and >laugh at each other's odd expressions! Just kidding - but we do like to >compare them and sometimes analyze them.) Absolutely! As someone who desperately tried not to sound like a hick when I moved to the city, the first two words I learned *never* to say were "divan" and "britches." Sherry > > But being quite ancient in terms of cuber-life, I've learnt that even > > "English" has distinct sub-languages, and no one particular dialect is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Joyce That is a slip of the finger on the keyboard. She meant "cyber" life. ;-) My backspace key is my most-used key!! -- CATherine >>A case in point: what does "cuber-life" mean? :) > That is a slip of the finger on the keyboard. She meant "cyber" life. > ;-) My backspace key is my most-used key!! OH!! I knew it had something to do with the computer, but I was thinking "cubicle"... except that Yowie works in a lab... Joyce CATherine <pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: "go down cellar": >That is a slip of the finger on the keyboard. She meant "cyber" life. >;-) My backspace key is my most-used key!! I touch-type backspace as well as I do any letter. :-)  Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > > But being quite ancient in terms of cuber-life, I've learnt that even > > "English" has distinct sub-languages, and no one particular dialect is > > any more "correct" than any other - just that some are "older". > > A case in point: what does "cuber-life" mean? :) Ah, and typos add a whole other dimension. That ought to have been *cyber* life :-) Sorry! Yowie > > I'd like to pause for just a moment, to have a tangential linguistic > > discussion. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Ye Olde Yowieth Just as I find it strange that British and Australians say someone is "in hospital", rather than "in *the* hospital". English is, indeed, a strange language, and the various ways it is spoken make it even stranger. Joy > ...I find it strange that British and Australians say someone is > "in hospital", rather than "in *the* hospital". That sounds strange to me, too, simply because I'm not used to it. But I thought about it, and decided that the British and Australian way makes more sense. After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be talking about a specific hospital, LOL! At least, that's how it must sound to an Aussie or Brit (does it?). Joyce - I still say "in the hospital" because otherwise people would think I was putting on airs! > > ...I find it strange that British and Australians say someone is > > "in hospital", rather than "in *the* hospital". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > about a specific hospital, LOL! At least, that's how it must sound to > an Aussie or Brit (does it?). Generally a person is in a specific hospital. <G> Joy > Joyce - I still say "in the hospital" because otherwise people would > think I was putting on airs! >> After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be >> talking about a specific hospital, LOL! > > Generally a person is in a specific hospital. <G> Yes, but that's not what that usage implies. People refer to "the hospital" to simply mean that the person is in a hospital, any hospital. They're not referring to a previously named one. I'm sure a grammarian could explain this more articulately! Joyce > >> After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be > >> talking about a specific hospital, LOL! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Joyce I usually think of "he/she is in hospital" as the same as "he/she has been hospitalized". When "the hospital" is used, the response is, "which one?" As for the cellar/shore usage, I never lived near a shore; but I have had a basement as an adult, as well as a cellar. And as an adult I have always used correct (by the book) grammar referring to them. There was simply no childhood colloquialism to grow up with. BTW, what is wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition? It sounds more natural! <grin> -- CATherine > > >> After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be > > >> talking about a specific hospital, LOL! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > CATherine Who was it who said, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which we must put!"? Hugs, CatNipped > Who was it who said, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up > with which we must put!"? Supposedly Churchill wrote "This is the sort of English up with which I will not put" when an editor revised what he had written to make it fit the 'no preposition at the end of the sentence' rule. And a lot of people think that rule doesn't apply to English anyway. At one time, grammarians (if that's the right word) thought that Latin rules should apply to English, even though English is a Germanic language. The rule makes sense in Latin, or so I am told. I don't know Latin myself. If Churchill can do it, I will also state that final prepositions are things I can live with. SignatureCheryl > > Who was it who said, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up > > with which we must put!"? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Cheryl The rule about never splitting an infinitive also came from the Latin, since in Latin a preposition is one word. Richard Lederer, a renowned linguist and author, said that there are times when it makes more sense to split an infinitive, and times when it makes the sentence awkward if you don't end it with a preposition. I like Richard Lederer! ;-) Joy > Richard Lederer, a renowned >linguist and author, said that there are times when it makes more sense >to split an infinitive, and times when it makes the sentence awkward if >you don't end it with a preposition. I like Richard Lederer! ;-) Yeah, I do too. My very favorite grammatical faux-pas is the "dangling participle." Most of them result in some hilarious sentences. Jeanne Jeanne Hajos spamguard:( u is i, and not is net) === "Anger improves nothing except the arch of a cat's back." --- Coleman Cox My SETI team: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_125874.html ---------------------<snip>---------------------- > BTW, what is wrong with ending a sentence with >a preposition? It sounds more natural! <grin> I suspect most of my fellow USAians will have heard this, but for the benefit of our international brothers and sisters... A snooty Yankee is asked cheerfully by a Southern lady, "So where ya'all from?" The Yankee replies rudely, "I'm from where we don't end a sentence with a preposition." "OK, then where ya'all from, bitch?" Regards and Purrs, O J > ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >> BTW, what is wrong with ending a sentence with [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Regards and Purrs, > O J Now the cats are looking at me wondering what I'm laughing at. :-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > >> After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be > >> talking about a specific hospital, LOL! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Joyce I'm a Brit, and have recently been in hospital. Not in "the" hospital, just in hospital. I don't know how to explain it, but we are definitely just "in hospital." The same way as we don't go on vacation, we go on holiday. And I write "to" someone too. I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd like to hear more examples of the differences. Sidewalk - pavement Faucet - tap Hood - bonnet Trunk - boot Vacation - holiday Humor - humour, now this looks to a Brit like it might be pronounced "hoomer" instead of h-you-mer. Same as color. Looks like Kollar. I really do relish the experience of sharing/asking my USA friends on this group about pronounciation. Where else would an American tell me honestly and without taking offence. (see offense!) Nowhere. Tweed >I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd >like to hear more examples of the differences. G.B. Shaw said to the effect that England and America were two countries separated by a common language. When my daughter returned from two years in England, where they were stationed with the Air Force, I could barely understand what she and her little girls were talking about. Different words and an accent to boot!!!! I don't recall all of them but there were some such as "garden" which I envisioned as an area rife with flowers/vegetables - no, just a plain old "yard." When the girls mentioned their "knickers" I wondered why they wanted boys' "trousers" - no, just plain old "underpants". Then there was "mum" vs "mom." Sadly, they lost the accent and words all too soon - at only 6 and 8 yrs old, they quickly picked up on the USA southern-speak (a talent I, myself, haven't yet got the hang of after all these years - I still get baffled by it). Jeanne >>I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd >>like to hear more examples of the differences. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > envisioned as an area rife with flowers/vegetables - no, just a plain > old "yard." A yard here would be something completely paved, or covered with concrete. > When the girls mentioned their "knickers" I wondered why > they wanted boys' "trousers" - no, just plain old "underpants". Knickers are girls underpants, sometimes pretty with lace on. Underpants are for boys. Trousers are what you call "pants." Leg covering for men. Knickers and boys underpants are called pants here, they go under your outer clothing. >Then there was "mum" vs "mom." Yes, my mother was my "mum" >Sadly, they lost the accent and words all > too soon - at only 6 and 8 yrs old, they quickly picked up on the USA > southern-speak (a talent I, myself, haven't yet got the hang of after > all these years - I still get baffled by it). <g> What a pity they lost their English accent. It is, after all, the foundation of American. <ducks and runs quickly away> Tweed On Sat, 23 Oct, Tweed wrote: ><g> What a pity they lost their English accent. It is, after all, the >foundation of American. ><ducks and runs quickly away> Oi, no need to duck or run away <g>, we're a people who can take a little ribbing. Speaking of English accents, I may have mentioned that my sister teaches elementary school in Essex. The odd thing about accents within the U K is that so much of it is related to social status and sometimes old class distinctions. My sister, having been there for thirty years or so, naturally has an 'English accent', but whereas it was acquired as an adult, she speaks a better 'class' of the language than does her husband or her son. But what do I know, they sound alike to me. Regards and Purrs, O J >I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd >like to hear more examples of the differences. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Tweed Fascinates me, too. The term that always confused me when I was first on newsgroups was "garden/yard." I honestly thought about everybody in the UK must have nice, neat rows of green beans and carrots and such right out their back door, because everybody let their cats out the back door into their "garden." Someone from the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander." I learned a lot from UK posters, and some words are in my vocabulary permanent now. Like "moggie." There was a horrid creature from the UK that used to be on the cat groups who called me "harpic." I'd never heard that one either! I thought it must have angelic overtones. :) Sherry > >I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd >>like to hear more examples of the differences. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > door, because everybody let their cats out the back door into their > "garden." We call a garden something maybe with grass, or earth to grow things in, a yard is definitely made of concrete. I do grow things in my garden, but that isn't what makes it a garden, what makes it a garden is that it isn't a "Yard." > Someone from the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander." I understand the term "dander" to mean skin cells that come off pets, and that people can be allergic to. Is that what you meean? > I learned a lot from UK posters, and some words are in my vocabulary > permanent > now. Like "moggie." Moggie means a mongrel cat. Both my cats are moggies. >There was a horrid creature from the UK that used to be on > the cat groups who called me "harpic." I'd never heard that one either! LOL!! Harpic is a thick bleach substance to put into the toilet bowl to clean it. > I thought it must have angelic overtones. :) Sorry, Sherry ;-) Sometimes it's bad to get in touch with the UK. You can learn things you don't want to. But there again, if you have friends there, they'll tell you the truth. Hugs Tweed >> >I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd >>>like to hear more examples of the differences. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >that isn't what makes it a garden, what makes it a garden is that it isn't a >"Yard." As I'm sure you've figured out by now, in the US a "garden" (place to grow flowers, veggies ,etc) can be part of a "yard" (grassy area outside house). Some people don't have yards at all, their outdoor green space is 100% garden area. So depending on how you want to use your green space, you can have a yard without having a garden, a garden without having a yard, or both - a yard with a garden within it. If I had a 100% concrete "yard" (back to 'Merkin usage), I think it would probably be known as either a patio or a driveway, depending on if it was in the front of back of my house and how I used the area. What would you call a "yard" (US usage) or "garden" (UK usage) that was made completely of rocks (could be all small rocks or rocks of various sizes)? My cousins in California have one, these are quite popular where they live as (I'm told) they're easier and less expensive than dealing with a grass yard in an area that wants to be a desert! (according to my cousins, where they live these are called "rock gardens" - this has to be either the UK usage of "garden" or they're growing rocks! ^_-) I wonder if the UK usage of "yard" is the basis of the name of the 100% concrete outdoor areas used by jail/prison inmates for exercise - the jail/prison yard. Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha ============ http://www.jhedge.com >>> >I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. >>> >I'd [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > would probably be known as either a patio or a driveway, depending on > if it was in the front of back of my house and how I used the area. Aaargh. Totally confused. > I wonder if the UK usage of "yard" is the basis of the name of the > 100% concrete outdoor areas used by jail/prison inmates for exercise - > the jail/prison yard. Might be. Yards are definitely concrete here. I just love exchanging linguistics Language interests me. Tweed >>>We call a garden something maybe with grass, or earth to grow things in, a >>>yard is definitely made of concrete. I do grow things in my garden, but [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Aaargh. Totally confused. Taking a guess about the "aaargh" <g>: Driveway = concrete/paved private "road" that connects the house or garage with the street. People often park their cars in the driveway, especially if they don't have a garage or carport to park their car in (or if their garage or carport is full of junk they're storing there! <g>) Patio was borrowed from Spanish. In general usage, it's an outside area (usually concrete, cement, or paved in some way) next to the house that's used when you eat or sit around outside. Spanish usage also calls the patio an indoor courtyard of a Spanish-style building. I think a patio is sometimes also called a "terrace". Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha ============ http://www.jhedge.com > As I'm sure you've figured out by now, in the US a "garden" (place to > grow flowers, veggies ,etc) can be part of a "yard" (grassy area > outside house). Some people don't have yards at all, their outdoor > green space is 100% garden area. And then there are some people who don't have yards because they live in apartment buildings, or in neighborhoods where all the houses are so close together that there's no space for a yard. > What would you call a "yard" (US usage) or "garden" (UK usage) that > was made completely of rocks (could be all small rocks or rocks of > various sizes)? ... (according to my cousins, where they live these > are called "rock gardens" - this has to be either the UK usage of > "garden" or they're growing rocks! ^_-) I think it's the latter. Not that they're literally growing the rocks, but perhaps metaphorically they are. > I wonder if the UK usage of "yard" is the basis of the name of the > 100% concrete outdoor areas used by jail/prison inmates for exercise - > the jail/prison yard. Makes sense to me! Joyce > > As I'm sure you've figured out by now, in the US a "garden" (place to > > grow flowers, veggies ,etc) can be part of a "yard" (grassy area [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think it's the latter. Not that they're literally growing the rocks, > but perhaps metaphorically they are. I don't think so. I think it's connected to the idea of Japanese rock gardens, which can be quite beautiful. Joy > > I wonder if the UK usage of "yard" is the basis of the name of the > > 100% concrete outdoor areas used by jail/prison inmates for exercise - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joyce > The term that always confused me when I was > first on newsgroups was "garden/yard." I honestly thought about > everybody in the UK must have nice, neat rows of green beans and > carrots and such right out their back door, because everybody let > their cats out the back door into their "garden." Me, too! Only I was picturing these lovely English flower gardens. Lucky cats! :) > Someone from > the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander." Now, what's wrong with that word? Is it another word, like f*nny, that doesn't mean anything bad over here but does over there? > I learned a lot from UK posters, and some words are in my > vocabulary permanent now. Like "moggie." Same here. We say "mutt" for an ordinary, non-purebred dog, but American English doesn't have a corresponding word for cats. So "moggie" actually fills a void in our vocabulary. > There was a horrid > creature from the UK that used to be on the cat groups who called > me "harpic." I'd never heard that one either! That's a new one. I assume it means "harpie-like"? Nice. Joyce > > Someone from > > the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander > >Now, what's wrong with that word? Is it another word, like f*nny, that >doesn't mean anything bad over here but does over there? You know, to this day I don't know. I kind of suspect he just didn't know what the word meant. snipped. > > There was a horrid > > creature from the UK that used to be on the cat groups who called > > me "harpic." I'd never heard that one either! > >That's a new one. I assume it means "harpie-like"? Nice. LOL, no. IIRC, I was told that it was a toilet bowl cleaner, and there was a TV commercial or something that said it "Cleans 'round the bend." Thus, "harpic" was supposed mean somebody who was " 'round the bend", or off their rocker. Sherry >Joyce > > Someone from > > the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander." > > Now, what's wrong with that word? Is it another word, like f*nny, that > doesn't mean anything bad over here but does over there? <SNIP> In the UK the only meaning for dander is; Temper, anger, indignation. Of course most people understand the American meaning when used in context. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. >> > Someone from >> > the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > In the UK the only meaning for dander is; Temper, anger, indignation. Of > course most people understand the American meaning when used in context. I hear the expression to get your dander up, meaning to get upset or aggravated here in the US. Or is that just the Brit in my family showing up? (Or more often "Don't get your dander up" to say calm down) Jo > In the UK the only meaning for dander is; Temper, anger, indignation. We have that meaning in the US, too, eg, "Don't get your dander up." (Meaning, don't get all bent out of shape.) Joyce > > > Someone from > > > the UK flamed me good one time for using the word "dander." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) > A house is not a home, without a cat. That is pretty close to the old saying, "That got my dander up!" - meaning, "That made me angry." Joy > >I'm quite fascinated by the difference between American and English. I'd > >like to hear more examples of the differences. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Sherry Yes, I find the differences fascinating too. And when you bring Australia into the mixture, it gets even more interesting. I've noticed that a lot of Aussie terms are the same as the English, but they have a lot of their own too. Luckily, I had several Aussie Internet friends who warned me about some of the differences before I visited Australia. Otherwise I might have shocked the Aussies a time or two - and that's pretty hard to do. <G> For instance, in the U.S., we "root" for our favorite team to win. In Australia, one wouldn't do that unless one were making an Aussie version of "Debbie Does Dallas". ;-) Aussies "barrack" for their team. Also, in Australia, you don't say "I'm stuffed!" after a big meal, because that word is the approximate equivalent of the "f" word. Joy > > >> After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be > > >> talking about a specific hospital, LOL! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > group about pronounciation. Where else would an American tell me honestly > and without taking offence. (see offense!) Nowhere. Jumper: When a Commonwealth speaker says this, they are talking about what an American would call a sweater When an American says this, they are talking about what a Commonwealth speaker would probably call a pinafore dress. And there are the different names for foods. Makes followong recipes quite challenging - not only do you have to translate between imperial and metric, and remember that Commonwealth Imperial is not always the same as American Imperial, but you also have to translate ingredients. And then there are the differences in spelling, grammar, pronunciation, accent, and regionalisms. I'm remembering when I rang a very fancy hotel in Minneapolis to talk to my friend who was away on business. I used to think I didn't have a particularly strong Australian accent, but the receptionist simply couldn't understand me until I started speaking in my fake American accent. For a hotel that would surely get guests from all over the world, I would have thought my accent would not present a problem, but perhaps Australian sounds *particularly* strange to American ears. Yowie > > > >> After all, if you say "in THE hospital", you must be > > > >> talking about a specific hospital, LOL! [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Yowie That reminds me - an Aussie friend from another newsgroup recently visited the United States, where she spent four years driving around on her own (She's a lot braver than I am!). She said that at one motel, the clerk asked her where she was from and she said Australia. The clerk said, "Your English is very good." Without missing a beat, my friend said, "So is yours." Joy "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: "go down cellar": >That reminds me - an Aussie friend from another newsgroup recently >visited the United States, where she spent four years driving around on >her own (She's a lot braver than I am!). She said that at one motel, >the clerk asked her where she was from and she said Australia. The >clerk said, "Your English is very good." Without missing a beat, my >friend said, "So is yours." [applause] Ignorant jerk had it coming, IMO. I envy people who are that quick with a good comeback. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >"Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> had some very interesting things to >say about Re: "go down cellar": [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I envy people who are that quick with a good comeback. The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. :P Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. > :P ROFL! SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. > :P I've heard that many people think that Australia and Austria are the same place, which would certainly lead to that kind of confusion! SignatureCheryl > > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be > > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Cheryl Even funnier are the people who think that Australia and New Zealand are part of the same country or people who think New Zealand is a part of Holland or Alaska. When we travelled around the US recently few people could pick our accents. They always began by thinking we were English, no, Australian then, nooo, then they gave up :) Bev SignatureThe email of the species is more deadly than the mail. > Even funnier are the people who think that Australia and New Zealand are > part of the same country or people who think New Zealand is a part of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > The email of the species is more deadly than the mail. Americans are notorious for their lack of knowledge of geography, myself included! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >> Even funnier are the people who think that Australia and New Zealand are >> part of the same country or people who think New Zealand is a part of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Americans are notorious for their lack of knowledge of geography, myself >included! ;> I can't remember the percentage off the top of my head, but I remember reading that a surprising number of Americans were surprised to learn that New Mexico is part of the USA, and Spanish is not the first language. I don't really know that that story is true, but if it is maybe it's a good thing that the perventage of people who take part in elections is so low. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > I can't remember the percentage off the top of my head, but I remember > reading that a surprising number of Americans were surprised to learn [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > good thing that the perventage of people who take part in elections is > so low. I used to live in Atlanta Georgia in the mid 1990's when tickets when on sale for the 1996 Summer Olympic Games. Some people called in from New Mexico, and the ticket agent would not sell them the tickets, because they were not from the USA. The customer asked for a supervisor. The supervisor agreed with the ticket agent. Signature-Kim owned by Egbert, Niobe, Sekhar and Rocket take the cat out before you reply one cat just leads to another... http://photos.yahoo.com/sir_eg_of_bert http://picturetrail.com/ownedbycats > > I can't remember the percentage off the top of my head, but I remember > > reading that a surprising number of Americans were surprised to learn [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > -Kim My mother, who lives in Alaska, runs into a similar problem occasionally. She'll try to order something, only to be told that it can't be shipped out of the United States. Joy >> I used to live in Atlanta Georgia in the mid 1990's when tickets when >on [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >occasionally. She'll try to order something, only to be told that it >can't be shipped out of the United States. BONK BONK BONK BONK <sound of me hitting my head against the wall> Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> I used to live in Atlanta Georgia in the mid 1990's when tickets when > >on [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Theresa Yep. It gets better, too. The town where my mother lives is on the Prince William Sound. A lot of cruise ships used to stop there, and businesses would set up portable shops on the dock. My BIL operated one of those portable shops for a while, and my mother would often go with him when a ship was coming in. People would come ask, "Do you take American money?" Another favorite question was, "What is the altitude here?" (while standing on the dock) Joy >My mother, who lives in Alaska, runs into a similar problem >occasionally. She'll try to order something, only to be told that it >can't be shipped out of the United States. As far as I know, in the Army you still get the same overseas pay for being stationed in Alaska as you do stationed in Korea. IIRC, we used to get a whopping $9 when I was in Fairbanks in the late 70's - almost enough to cover the cost for one person to eat at the local Dairy Queen. My first trip off post I stopped in the Dairy Queen and couldn't pay for a shake, cheeseburger and fries with the $10 I had on me - had to settle for Dr Pepper instead of the shake. About half way through my time there McDonalds opened a resturant there (price for a Big Mac 5 cents more than in the lower 48). For awhile, it was the busiest McDonalds in the world, with lines out the door whenever you went there. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > >My mother, who lives in Alaska, runs into a similar problem > >occasionally. She'll try to order something, only to be told that it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Steve Touchstone, > faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) I can imagine! Everything is a lot higher up there. My mother's town doesn't have a McDonald's, but they do have a Subway. I don't know for how long, though. A lot of businesses are going belly-up. :-( Joy >> As far as I know, in the Army you still get the same overseas pay for >> being stationed in Alaska as you do stationed in Korea. IIRC, we used [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >doesn't have a McDonald's, but they do have a Subway. I don't know for >how long, though. A lot of businesses are going belly-up. :-( Well, I was there during the boom while they were building the pipeline. I was actually looking for a payphone on that first trip downtown, so I could call home and tell them I had arrived safely. Later I learned that the boom had overwhelmed the phone system, so they had removed all the handsets from the pay phones. The only pay phone I found in the 18 months I was there was in the bowling alley on post. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > >> As far as I know, in the Army you still get the same overseas pay for > >> being stationed in Alaska as you do stationed in Korea. IIRC, we used [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Steve Touchstone, > faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) That must have been very inconvenient! The pipeline is actually the reason businesses are shutting down in Valdez, where my mother lives. Alyeska is shutting down their operations at the end of the pipeline. They're laying off people by the droves, and people are leaving town every day. And the developers are still building new houses! Joy On Wed, 27 Oct, Kim W wrote: >Steve T wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >were not from the USA. The customer asked for a supervisor. The supervisor >agreed with the ticket agent. I probably should know better, but I just found this one hard to believe till I looked it up. It's not a rumor or an urban folktale. Sad to say, it's true. For our international friends, New Mexico is the name of one of our Southwestern states. You'd think most Americans would know this and as far as I'm concerned, even one who doesn't is one too many. Doing a net search, I found this link from New Mexico State University and the following text from the site: http://education.nmsu.edu/webquest/wq/inquest/inquest.html >When doing business around the United States, New Mexico >citizens are often mistaken for foreigners. For example, >when the US hosted the 1996 Olympics, people from New >Mexico trying to purchase tickets were asked to buy them >through their embassy assuming they were from Mexico. Where do these people think New Mexico is??, someplace inside of Mexico -- then what makes it "New"?? Let me repeat what Steve said: >> I don't really know that that story is true, but if it is maybe it's a >> good thing that the percentage of people who take part in elections is >> so low Shaking my head sadly, O J >I probably should know better, but I just found this one hard to >believe till I looked it up. It's not a rumor or an urban folktale. >Sad to say, it's true. It sure is, OJ. This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine with two sons who were both high school seniors. She learned 1. Both boys thought New Mexico wasn't part of the US. 2. One son had no idea what the word "punctual" meant. 3. One son mentioned he'd like to get married at sunrise in California, with the sun coming up over the ocean. (???!!!!) The absolutely creepiest thing about this is that both boys made good grades, and it was a large metro high school. The year I believe was 1989 or so. Sherry ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >3. One son mentioned he'd like to get married at sunrise in California, with >the sun coming up over the ocean. (???!!!!) Yes, people are supposed to know that the sun SETS in the west, but there's a famous Hollywood story about that which may or may not be true. It seems there was a director who wanted a shot of sunrise on the beach. Some half-bright assistant reminded him that the sun sets over the Pacific ocean, it doesn't rise. "That's OK, replied the director, "we'll just run the film backward and the sun will rise." Cut to the screening room next day where the staff is screening the dailies of the shooting of the "sunrise". Sure enough, there is the sun rising over the California coastline --- and there are the ocean waves rolling out to sea! Regards and Purrs, O J (Old John) Gritmon <snip> >I probably should know better, but I just found this one hard to >believe till I looked it up. It's not a rumor or an urban folktale. >Sad to say, it's true. For our international friends, New Mexico is >the name of one of our Southwestern states. And New Mexico's capitol, Santa Fe, was a well extablished city when the Pilgrims landed. IIRC, established around 1100 by Pueblo indians, and a capitol city for a Spanish territory before the pilgrims landed. Guess some people slept through American history, the Santa Fe Trail, the Mexican-American War, when we pretty much stole the western states from Mexico, the Gadsen Purchase, the Civil War, Billy the Kid and the Lincoln County War, etc etc until NM became the the 47(?) state in the early 1900s. I know most people don't remember and care about these, admittedly, trivial facts, but US geography and history has always been a hobby of mine. I still find it amazing that people can go to school and, like Sherry said, sometimes graduate with good grades. <snip> SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be >> > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Bev "New Zealand: The Canada of Australia" ;) Forget New Zealand (I don't mean really)! That's beyond most of our ken. In fact it was beyond my Aussie Mr. T's ken, too, but I think that was on purpose. :P I don't know it it is because I am so familiar with "down-under" accents that I don't see why most Americans mistake them for English. But I suppose that there are so many English accents that they think that those just might be a couple more. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be > >> > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Theresa Actually, the most common Aussie accent bears a definite resemblance to the English Cockney accent. There is also the fact that a large number of Aussies came from England originally, and never lost their English accent. Joy >> >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it >must be [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Joy I just think if you live long enough with Australians-- as I did-- the "similarities" fade. Cockney might have been a starting point, but not only was that well over 200 years ago, but there were probably at least as many Irish in the penal colonies, and the first immigrations as there were English. Then people from *everywhere* have poured in, since. Melbourne was probably demographically more Greek and Italian when I was there a few years ago, and they all had Aussie accents. Try telling them they owe it to Mother England. :P Take it from me, they have vowels and diphthongs down there that never appeared in the British Isles. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com On Sun, 24 Oct, Theresa wrote: ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >Take it from me, they have vowels and diphthongs down there that never >appeared in the British Isles. ;) Speaking of diphthongs, DH and I were visiting Oahu with her brother and his then-current flame, Cher. We were driving along looking for the Kalanianiole Highway and discussing the mellifluous Hawaiian language. I remarked, hoping to get either DH's brother or companion to bite, that you never knew what was a diphthong. "What's a diphthong?" asked Cher, taking the bait. "You see" I replied, "that's what you never know!" Regards and Purrs, O J "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:XjVed.9581$around the US recently > Actually, the most common Aussie accent bears a definite resemblance to > the English Cockney accent. There is also the fact that a large number > of Aussies came from England originally, and never lost their English > accent. > > Joy Not so. No Australians I've even met sounded like they were English, and I should know. Only English people sound like they're English. Tweed > "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:XjVed.9581$around the > US recently > Actually, the most common Aussie accent bears a definite [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tweed One of my dear friends from another newsgroup moved to Oz from England a few decades ago, and considers herself an Australian. Aussies still tell her she sounds like a Pommy. Joy > > "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:XjVed.9581$around the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > few decades ago, and considers herself an Australian. Aussies still > tell her she sounds like a Pommy. My mother, also a Pommy immigrant to Australia, still sounds like a Pom to most Aussies (not me, she just sounds like my Mum), but when she went back to England to visit her relatives recently, they all remarked on her Aussie accent, particularly the very typical Aussie 'rise' at the end of a sentence (as if we were asking a question). Her accent in now neither English nor Australian, but a blend of the two. Being a Pom myself, but came here before the accent became cemented (happens around 7-13 I believe), I only have a *slight* English accent, not enough to identify me as English, only enough to identify me as "a bit of a snob" (because the Bristish accent sounds affectatious to an average Aussie). But if I start getting really angry or passionate, or am talking to my parents, my accent increases because the imprint of my original speech patterns are still there. Joel thinks its hilarious that he can tell if I've visited my parents because my pommy accent lingers for a little while after I've come home. Yowie >"Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:XjVed.9581$around the >US recently > Actually, the most common Aussie accent bears a definite [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Tweed Yea-- I should have added that it's only Americans who seem to mistake Australians for English. English people NEVER mistake Aussies for English-- and Aussies NEVER mistake Poms for Aussies. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it > must be [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > of Aussies came from England originally, and never lost their English > accent. To your American ears, it probably does, but I suspect I and alot of other Aussies (and Cockneys) would disagree. As I said up thread, its probably what you are used to, and since youaren't used to either accent, you can hear the similarities, but I can't. Then again, as speech patterns go, both Aussies and Cockneys do employ alot of rhyming slang. Yowie > > > >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it > > must be [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Yowie Maybe what I'm really hearing is that to me, an Aussie accent sounds closer to a Cockney accent than to an American accent (whichever one you're talking about) - except that I notice that some Aussies add an "r" to the end of words that don't have one, and so do some Americans - Bostonians, for instance. Joy Joy > >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be > >> > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > But I suppose that there are so many English accents that they think > that those just might be a couple more. I guess its what you are used to hearing. If you hear lots of Aussie accents, and a fair few Kiwi accents, you can pick the difference between an Aussie accent and a Kiwi one, and even the different Aussie accents (eg, difference between a Melbourne accent and a Sydney accent). But if you don't here alot, you would probably hear them as similar. For example, I, as an Aussie, cannot tell the diffence between the accent of Bridget, Hazel, Ginger-Lyn or Pam Shirk, and only barely recognise the difference between those four and Grace's. However, they all come from different parts of the USA and I'm sure that to their ears, their accents would be quite distinct. I'm also sure that all Americans would find my imitation of an American accent just as painful as us Aussies find imitations of our Aussie accent [except for Meryl Streep, she got it almost 100% right]. And an American imitating an Australian accent sounds different to Aussie ears than a Brit imitating an Aussie accent. I guess when imitating a different accent, you accentuate the differences between the other accent and your own, which is why they sound different. Yowie >> >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be >> >> > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >Yowie I once startled an unsuspecting Aussie here out of his socks by pronouncing Canberra correctly. ;) <swelling with pride> Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must be > >> >> > cool to live in a country from where you could drive all over Europe. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > pronouncing Canberra correctly. ;) > <swelling with pride> Thats Can-bra, like Mel-b'n (Melbourne) and Briz-b'n (Brisbane) . The principle of the Aussie accent is that the longer you leave you mouth open, the more likely it is that a fly will get in. So shorten everything that can be shortened, and what can't be, mumble the last syllable or syllables. Yowie > > >> >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must > be [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > syllables. > Yowie Ditto for the Canucks. Here we do it because of the black flies in the rural areas - hence, Tranna, my home town. When Conan O'Brien originated his late-night show here we enjoyed how he called it "Toe-rahn-toe!" with all the syllables. >> > I once startled an unsuspecting Aussie here out of his socks by >> > pronouncing Canberra correctly. ;) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > originated his late-night show here we enjoyed how he called it > "Toe-rahn-toe!" with all the syllables. I've got it completely wrong then. I call it Tuh-ron-toe. Tweed >> >> >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must >be [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > >Thats Can-bra, like Mel-b'n (Melbourne) and Briz-b'n (Brisbane) . After living many years with a man from Melbn, I still get a little jarred when I hear my countrypeople say (as they will) Mel-bourne. ;) >The principle of the Aussie accent is that the longer you leave you mouth >open, the more likely it is that a fly will get in. So shorten everything >that can be shortened, and what can't be, mumble the last syllable or >syllables. Carn! ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> >> >> > The former Mr. T (an Aussie) had people remark to him that it must > >be [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > >that can be shortened, and what can't be, mumble the last syllable or > >syllables. > Carn! ;) > Theresa Hey, you're from Brooklyn by way of the Ottawa Valley! (A lot of Irish in the Valley lingo - I know, because both sides of my family came from there.) This is an interesting thread, but could folks PLEASE trim the previous discussion from it?? Or else top-post, or something? It's about 4 screenfuls to the bottom of the post where the new contribution is. Thanks, Joyce >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:48:18 +1300, Bev <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> > yodeled: [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > or >> >syllables. >> Carn! ;) >> Theresa > Hey, you're from Brooklyn by way of the Ottawa Valley! (A lot of Irish > in the Valley lingo - I know, because both sides of my family came > from there.) SignatureTo reply privately, take the X's out of my user ID. > I'm also sure that all Americans would find my > imitation of an American accent just as painful as us Aussies find > imitations of our Aussie accent [except for Meryl Streep, she got it almost > 100% right]. She's known for her ability to do that. It's amazing how many different accents she can do. For a long time I didn't realize that Mel Gibson and Nicole Kidman were Australian, because in the first films I saw them in, they played Americans - well enough to fool me. Joyce >For a long time I didn't realize that Mel Gibson and Nicole Kidman were >Australian, because in the first films I saw them in, they played Americans - >well enough to fool me. Mel Gibson is from Peekskill, New York. His father moved the family to Australia after he won the New York lottery (I kid you not). Mel was 12 at the time. Nicole Kidman must be the only Ozzie never to have been in the sun. That woman is _pale_. > Mel Gibson is from Peekskill, New York. His father moved the family > to Australia after he won the New York lottery (I kid you not). Mel > was 12 at the time. Interesting. Now here's one I'm not sure of: what is Bob Hoskins' nationality? I've seen him do very convincing American and British accents, so I can't tell where he's from. Joyce > > Mel Gibson is from Peekskill, New York. His father moved the family > > to Australia after he won the New York lottery (I kid you not). Mel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >nationality? I've seen him do very convincing American and British >accents, so I can't tell where he's from. Hoskins is English. His bio says he was born in Bury St. Edmunds. You don't get much englisher than that. > > Mel Gibson is from Peekskill, New York. His father moved the family > > to Australia after he won the New York lottery (I kid you not). Mel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >nationality? I've seen him do very convincing American and British >accents, so I can't tell where he's from. Hoskins is English. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> > Mel Gibson is from Peekskill, New York. His father moved the family >> > to Australia after he won the New York lottery (I kid you not). Mel [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Hoskins is English. PS, another "stealth Aussie" is Anthony LaPaglia, who usually plays a melancholy tough guy with a (flawless) New Yawk accent. LaPaglia's Noo Yawk speech is so well-observed-- he doesn't only get the pronunciation of odd words right, the rhythm and speed is perfect, too. It's like he doesn't only "know the words", he "knows the tune." But LaPaglia is from Adelaide. He's a wonderful actor-- he made his name in the theater here, doing Arthur Miller and Tennessee WIlliams plays-- he won a Tony for "A View From the Bridge." Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >> > Mel Gibson is from Peekskill, New York. His father moved the family > >> > to Australia after he won the New York lottery (I kid you not). Mel [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > plays-- he won a Tony for "A View From the Bridge." > Theresa And on TV as Frasier fans among us know he was a treat as Daphne's ne'er-do-well brother Simon, slipping into a Brit accent for the part. >> >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:51:47 GMT, jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net >yodeled: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >And on TV as Frasier fans among us know he was a treat as Daphne's >ne'er-do-well brother Simon, slipping into a Brit accent for the part. To some people's dismay! ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com The most excruciatingly bad attempt at an English accent it's ever been my misfortune to hear. Unfortunately. Ruined a great show for me. Purrs Gordon & the TT SignatureFeline family viewable at: http://community.webshots.com/user/exocat > Antony LaPaglia > And on TV as Frasier fans among us know he was a treat as Daphne's > ne'er-do-well brother Simon, slipping into a Brit accent for the > part. >The most excruciatingly bad attempt at an English accent it's ever >been my misfortune to hear. Unfortunately. Ruined a great show for me. > >Purrs > >Gordon & the TT That was the consensus from the show's English fans. ;) Made me glad I wasn't handicapped in that way-- they deprived themselves of a absolutely hysterical comic performance. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>The most excruciatingly bad attempt at an English accent it's ever >>been my misfortune to hear. Unfortunately. Ruined a great show for me. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I wasn't handicapped in that way-- they deprived themselves of a > absolutely hysterical comic performance. Apparently, Daphne is just as phony. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > >>The most excruciatingly bad attempt at an English accent it's ever > >>been my misfortune to hear. Unfortunately. Ruined a great show for me. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Apparently, Daphne is just as phony. Yeah, and she IS British isn't she? She's just hopeless at putting on a Manchester accent. I was convinced that she was American until someone assured me otherwise. Jeanette "Jeanette" <vertgyn@hotmail.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: "go down cellar": >> Apparently, Daphne is just as phony. >Yeah, and she IS British isn't she? She's just hopeless at putting on a >Manchester accent. I was convinced that she was American until someone >assured me otherwise. According to http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005137/ , she was born in Essex, FWIW. Bio info says she grew up in Sussex. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >>>The most excruciatingly bad attempt at an English accent it's ever >>>been my misfortune to hear. Unfortunately. Ruined a great show for me. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Apparentl |
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