>>> > It the leave no pet behinds act that during a disaster shelters and
>>> > rescue
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> I wonder if any of those people that made others leave their pets
> behind had pets of their own ??
"those people" didn't have a choice in the matter. Whether you are an
emergency worker or volunteer there are rules you have to follow. The
alternative is chaos if everyone makes up their own rules.
Yes this act is a wonderful step in the right direction. But it does not
guarantee the rescue of all pets in case of an emergency.
It is difficult to control people in a shelter. This is going to make that
job harder. People still need to do their very best to make their own
emergency plans and not rely on the government to come and get them, cause
it just isn't a job the government does very well or in a timely fashion.
Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 12 Oct 2006 01:32 GMT
> It is difficult to control people in a shelter. This is going to make that
> job harder. People still need to do their very best to make their own
> emergency plans and not rely on the government to come and get them, cause
> it just isn't a job the government does very well or in a timely fashion.
After all the deaths following Katrina, I would hope that people
wouldn't be able to continue staying in denial about the seriousness
of that situation (you know, when people say, "Oh, nothing bad's
going to happen"). But at least now, the people who wouldn't leave
because they didn't want to go without their pets will have another
option.
People who couldn't leave town because they didn't have cars are
still up the creek, though - literally! :-/
As for planning for an emergency, it's a little easier when you're
talking about disasters that you can see coming. With hurricanes, at
least you get a few days' warning. What about earthquakes, though?
You can buy supplies to have on hand in case the power's out or the
water supply is interrupted. But if you happen to have the bad luck
of ending up underneath a pile of rubble and can't get out, you'd
better hope the government is going to dispatch rescuers to pull you
out!
Joyce
Matthew - 12 Oct 2006 06:29 GMT
>>>> > It the leave no pet behinds act that during a disaster shelters and
>>>> > rescue
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> emergency worker or volunteer there are rules you have to follow. The
> alternative is chaos if everyone makes up their own rules.
Those people are volunteers and most don't know the difference between a
hole in the wall and in their head
> Yes this act is a wonderful step in the right direction. But it does not
> guarantee the rescue of all pets in case of an emergency.
Really not truly much to do with rescuing part but required shelters to
except animals and disasters plans to include animals
> It is difficult to control people in a shelter. This is going to make
> that job harder. People still need to do their very best to make their
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>
> Jo
Actually Jo It is a proven fact that the shelters the excepts animals are
much cleaner, more organized and calmer. During all the hurricanes here
in Florida. There were no reported problems at any shelter that excepted
animals but plenty at the others
Matthew - 12 Oct 2006 06:59 GMT
>>>>> > It the leave no pet behinds act that during a disaster shelters and
>>>>> > rescue
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> Really not truly much to do with rescuing part but required shelters to
> except animals and disasters plans to include animals
Sorry accept not except. I am tired
>> It is difficult to control people in a shelter. This is going to make
>> that job harder. People still need to do their very best to make their
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> here in Florida. There were no reported problems at any shelter that
> excepted animals but plenty at the others
gracecat - 12 Oct 2006 07:23 GMT
>> "those people" didn't have a choice in the matter. Whether you are an
>> emergency worker or volunteer there are rules you have to follow. The
>> alternative is chaos if everyone makes up their own rules.
>
> Those people are volunteers and most don't know the difference between a
> hole in the wall and in their head
Actually Matthew I have to disagree. I have several friends with boats in
south Louisiana. I know quite a few of the civilian volunteers that pulled
their boat to the New Orleans area and helped evacuate. They did a fantastic
job and I'm proud of them. :)
I know people here continually (not directed at you) try and say Louisiana
is a backwards screwed up state that isn't fit to exist but living here and
knowing people in all manners of profession I can say nobody I know
personally was an idiot down there. From hospital personal to national
guard, everybody pulled together. They all contributed and quite well. It's
extremely irritating and probably held back my return to this group for
several months to read several posts slamming my home. I'm proud of where
I'm at. And we got some good folks here.
(Sorry, that was a rant that has been building for quite a while and I
haven't found a good place to stick it yet)
And I'm immensely glad to hear the acts have been signed :)
Grace
Matthew - 12 Oct 2006 18:43 GMT
>>> "those people" didn't have a choice in the matter. Whether you are an
>>> emergency worker or volunteer there are rules you have to follow. The
>>> alternative is chaos if everyone makes up their own rules.
>>
>> Those people are volunteers and most don't know the difference between a
>> hole in the wall and in their head
I was talking about the volunteers at shelters not in the rescue efforts.
Anyone no matter what the risk their life in a rescue operation is a hero in
my book. I was talking about like the red cross volunteers or shelter
workers that the city or county assigned or brings in to help. Those people
are the idiots I was refering to.
Where I live It was ravaged by 4 hurricanes in 2004 as we all can remember
. It took red cross and disaster relief 6 weeks to reach our area after
Charley and Francis had hit. I came up to the prep site ( I own several
Wal-Mart type stores) and offered food, water, ICE and the volunteers and
the person in charge who was a volunteer had no idea what to do. I went to
the shelters in the area trying to help same thing. I went to the animal
allowed shelter they knew what to do plus the animal rescue centers they
were happy for the help.
So I just went back to my stores and did it from there. Now My stores are
shelters for my employees and their families plus my people. We did it back
last year and once this year
Sorry did not mean to make a generalized term in the other post. But Is
still remember my time In 2004,2005 and this year
You don't have to remind me about Katrina and that time It is a time I don't
want to remember to many scenes of could of should of and I wish I could
flash back from my time there. But that is something I won't get back into
I have enough memories to live with and try to keep them out of my thoughts
or the tears will start again :-(
> Actually Matthew I have to disagree. I have several friends with boats in
> south Louisiana. I know quite a few of the civilian volunteers that pulled
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> this group for several months to read several posts slamming my home. I'm
> proud of where I'm at. And we got some good folks here.
You got to be kidding me I love that area the food the culture Mardi Gras
( he he ). I have several good friends that live there and still are
rebuilding
> (Sorry, that was a rant that has been building for quite a while and I
> haven't found a good place to stick it yet)
>
> And I'm immensely glad to hear the acts have been signed :)
>
> Grace
gracecat - 12 Oct 2006 07:17 GMT
>>>> > It the leave no pet behinds act that during a disaster shelters and
>>>> > rescue
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>
> Jo
I was going to jump in on this but you said it better than I could Jo. Thank
you.
What prompted this was during the middle of a very chaotic time. At the time
they were evacuating the feared number of dead were in the thousands. And
not enough shelters to keep those they found alive. It breaks my heart to
think of the pets that were left because no rules were in place on how to
handle them. They did manage to take what pets they could when they could,
but it was far too few in number.
Those rescue workers, professional and civilian volunteers risked a great
deal. I wouldn't hinge the blame on them for our furred loved ones left
behind.
Jo said it right. I remember we heard that Katrina was going to hit the
Mississippi/Alabama/Louisiana coast at an expected Cat 4 on Wednesday. It
didn't hit landfall until Saturday. Three days to act on a plan that
everybody in the coastal regions should have in place.
Grace