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Karen AKA Kajikit - 26 Sep 2006 14:08 GMT
I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
like I can't breathe right and there's crud in my throat, and when I
go to bed at night I have a strong tendancy to wake myself up either
with the above or with outright choking... I'll go from a sound sleep
to sitting bolt upright in bed gasping for breath with my heart
pounding. I always thought it was just part of my general neurosis and
anxiety and I was 'just' having panic attacks in my sleep, so I
refused to go to the doctors about it (I DID the doctor thing years
ago and they said nothing was wrong), but John thought it must be
something physical... he thought sleep apnea but I've always said that
that doesn't 'feel right' to me because it doesn't happen ALL the time
- it comes and goes mysteriously and in between times I sleep soundly,
and my breathing is kind of screwy while I'm awake too. Last night I
was browsing and I came across something that might explain it
perfectly, and it's NOT 'all in my head'.

John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
side-effect free...
Karen - 26 Sep 2006 14:39 GMT
That sure sounds like GERD to me. Purrs that the prilosec works! My mom and
sister have it. Smaller meals seem to help. Not eating a while before bed
seems to also.

> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Sep 2006 00:17 GMT
> That sure sounds like GERD to me. Purrs that the prilosec works! My mom and
> sister have it. Smaller meals seem to help. Not eating a while before bed
> seems to also.

Is GERD the same thing as acid reflux?

I've been wondering if I might have the same thing, although my symptoms
are very different. I don't have anything Karen described, but I have had
some intense, stabbing pains in my esophagus about half an hour after
eating, especially if I recline shortly after eating (which I often do,
because I watch TV while eating, and I often stay and finish watching the
episode after I'm done eating. The pains would go away as soon as I ate
something bland, like yogurt.

I've cut down on drinking tea this week and it hasn't been bothering me
as much.

I've occasionally woken up gasping for breath and from dreaming that I was
choking, but I think that's post-nasal drip, not stomach acid. But who knows?

Does anyone with GERD/acid reflux have stabbing pains in the upper
esophagus after eating?

Purrs for the prilosec to help you feel better, Karen!

Joyce
David - 27 Sep 2006 01:14 GMT
> > That sure sounds like GERD to me. Purrs that the prilosec works! My mom
> > and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Is GERD the same thing as acid reflux?

Repeated reflux can lead to GERD. Repeated episodes of GERD can cause
changes in the esophagus that are considered precursors of esophageal
cancer, so GERD is worth treating.

If it happens to me in the night, I wake up instantly when stomach juices
hit the back of my throat. I have often found myself choking when that
happens--it's not a pretty sound! I've become sensitive enough when it
happens that I can usually avoid full-blown choking. I've learned that, if I
have a meal that has "trigger" foods, I need to take an acid reducer either
before or with dinner--the generic purple pills from Costco work fine for
me. I can often tell when I lie down that I'm more likely to experience
reflux; often a full dose of Tums at bedtime will prevent an attack.

Triggers for me: cooked tomatoes (e.g., marinara sauce or chili con carne),
chocolate (well-known as a trigger), red wine, eating a substantial dinner
too late at night. (Red wine too late at night will mess up my sleep
anyway!) For a variety of reasons I've been making weight loss a priority
for myself; I think that has helped--might be something to do with reducing
pressure on the stomach.

Good luck!

David
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Sep 2006 19:38 GMT
> If it happens to me in the night, I wake up instantly when stomach juices
> hit the back of my throat.

When that happens, can you *taste* the stomach acid? I'm asking because
this sometimes happens to me - I wake up not being able to breathe, and
gasping/wheezing for breath. I always thought it was post-nasal drip, though.
It doesn't have much of a taste. Certainly it doesn't taste like stomach
acid, which has a sharp, sour taste. Plus it burns.

Joyce
tension_on_the_wire - 27 Sep 2006 22:47 GMT
>  > If it happens to me in the night, I wake up instantly when stomach juices
>  > hit the back of my throat.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joyce

Stomache acid per say does not always have a taste unless it is
contaminated by bile.  And then you dealing with something more
than reflux.

The burning is also not a consistent finding, neither the pain...
both really depend upon significant enough irritation of the
esophagus lining to cause inflammation, then it hurts just like
heartburn.  Well, it *is* heartburn.  But you can have significant
reflux disease without pain.  Especially if you don't tend to
reflux on an empty stomach.  Refluxing acids without any food
to lessen the acidity can be a real aggravating factor, where
the development of inflammation and pain are concerned..

--tension
Joy - 27 Sep 2006 22:54 GMT
>>  > If it happens to me in the night, I wake up instantly when stomach
>> juices
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> --tension

I used to wake up choking frequently, from the acid that came up in my
throat.  Now I sleep on two pillows and I try not to eat later than several
hours before I go to bed.  It still happens occasionally, but not nearly as
often as it used to.

Joy
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Sep 2006 23:05 GMT
> Stomache acid per say does not always have a taste unless it is
> contaminated by bile.  And then you dealing with something more
> than reflux.

> The burning is also not a consistent finding, neither the pain...
> both really depend upon significant enough irritation of the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to lessen the acidity can be a real aggravating factor, where
> the development of inflammation and pain are concerned..

How is GERD/reflux diagnosed, then? I've complained about waking up
choking (which happens occasionally, not all the time), and the doctor
thought it was post-nasal drip. That makes sense to me because I do
have some allergies. (Nothing major, but enough to give me phlegm in
the back of my throat.)

Should I get rechecked on this?

Joyce
Jo Firey - 27 Sep 2006 23:18 GMT
> > Stomache acid per say does not always have a taste unless it is
> > contaminated by bile.  And then you dealing with something more
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Should I get rechecked on this?

It takes an endoscopies to diagnose it, along with a biopsy of the lining of
the esophagus if there appears to be inflammation.  Changes in the cells can
indicate a higher risk of cancer of the esophagus.  An endoscopy involves
putting a tube with a tiny camera down the esophagus while you are under a
mild anesthetic.

I had no symptoms to speak of until I had scarring in my esophagus to the
point of blockage.   Unless you count my asthma which I've had all my life
and still have.  But it improved dramatically when the GERD was treated.  I
had occasional heartburn but nothing to speak of.

Often all someone needs is something like prilosec to cut down on the
acidity.  But that does nothing to prevent reflux.  I've had surgery twice
now to repair the valve at the top of my stomach to prevent reflux.  First
surgery failed after a couple of years.  The second one seems to be holding.

Jo
tension_on_the_wire - 27 Sep 2006 23:19 GMT
jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote:
> How is GERD/reflux diagnosed, then? I've complained about waking up
> choking (which happens occasionally, not all the time), and the doctor
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Joyce

Many physicians will make a presumptive diagnosis based on the
symptoms of choking or regurgitation, and will then treat with
antacids and prilosec.  It can also be considered a therapeutic
trial because if those meds remove the symptoms, then that
suggests the diagnosis was correct.

However, a technically accurate diagnosis usually requires
imaging of some sort, to catch the reflux red-handed, so to
speak.

Endoscopy can show clear evidence of scarring or irritation
of the mucous membranes in the esophagus, which is
good circumstantial evidence, and can sometimes actually
see reflux as it happens.

Barium swallow under fluoroscopy can also see reflux as
it happens.

There are a few other suggestive things that can try to
prove reflux...and they are dependent on a number of
other factors.

Significant post-nasal drip can cause choking at night,
when lying down.  You can treat that in one of several
ways, and if you can eliminate it, and you are still
having choking symptoms, then it would be time
to recheck what is going on.  The very day that you
can get "dried-up" from the mucous and phlegm
development that happens with allergic rhinitis, you
should stop choking.  If you want to sort it out, you
might want to get aggressive about treating the
allergies, using anti-histamine (like Claritin or Allegra)
along with an inhaled nasal steroid (which does not have
the usual side-effects of steroid use because it is
only going to the nasal membranes and not enough
gets absorbed to cause the typical steroid issues).
I am on both these things and they have turned my
life around, I had no idea how exhausted untreated
allergic rhinitis feels, until I finally took control of it.
And, I had totally forgotten what it felt like to be
able to breathe clearly through my nose.
Talk about fresh air!

Do you find yourself clearing your throat alot during
the day?  That goes along with allergies, especially
if symptoms are *not* related to the amount of food
in your stomach.

Do you burp alot, or have pain in the upper throat when
swallowing ?  That is more suggestive of some type
of esophagus dysfunction (and reflux is only one type)

--tension

--tension
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Sep 2006 00:17 GMT
> Do you find yourself clearing your throat alot during
> the day?  That goes along with allergies, especially
> if symptoms are *not* related to the amount of food
> in your stomach.

> Do you burp alot, or have pain in the upper throat when
> swallowing ?  That is more suggestive of some type
> of esophagus dysfunction (and reflux is only one type)

None of the above. Just the pains in my lower throat, not when swallowing,
butabout half and hour after I ate. These were intense, stabbing pains,
which were alleviated when I ate some yogurt.

I do have a small bout of sneezing in the morning, and I have to
blow my nose frequently during the day. I'm pretty sure I get a bit
stuffed up during the night.

One thing I have had for many years is the feeling of having a "lump
in my throat" - very low down in the throat. It feels like there's
something there, but since I usually haven't swallowed anything solid
recently, what could be there? I just assumed this was a symptom of
anxiety. (I have those, too.) It usually goes away in 15-20 minutes.

Joyce
tension_on_the_wire - 28 Sep 2006 05:35 GMT
> None of the above. Just the pains in my lower throat, not when swallowing,
> butabout half and hour after I ate. These were intense, stabbing pains,
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>
> Joyce

Well, in answer to your original question, I think there is
enough doubt about what's happening that it would be
worth checking out.   You might want to go in for a tune-up,
so to speak, and re-evaluate what is going on with your
physician.  If he tries to just blow it off as post-nasal drip,
without at least trying to treat it, then you may have to
be a bit more assertive about wanting a definitive answer.
The upshot of it all, is that if you are having symptoms
that severe, you should take steps to sort it out and
treat the highest likely suspect, according to what your
physical exam shows. And, even if it is due to
post-nasal drip, the symptoms sound significant enough
that you might want to take steps to treat it.

If post-nasal drip can be rule out as the cause, then you would be
looking at the various possible ways to diagnose reflux disease,
that were mentioned previously..

--tension

P.S. do you smoke?
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Sep 2006 17:11 GMT
> P.S. do you smoke?

Nope!!

Thanks for all the suggestions. It's definitely time to go in to see
my primary doc. (Not until I change docs, though - I haven't been very
happy with the one I have now. This is at Kaiser, btw.)

Joyce
Jo Firey - 27 Sep 2006 02:26 GMT
> > That sure sounds like GERD to me. Purrs that the prilosec works! My mom
> > and
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Joyce

OK, GERD pro here and I've got the surgery scars to prove it.

GERD = Gastro Esophagal Reflux Disease.  Or to put it more simply, what goes
into your stomach or is produced in your stomach (acid) doesn't stay there.
If the valve at the top of your stomach that is only supposed to work one
way (in) doesn't work properly, food and digestive acids can come back up
into your esophagus (that big ole tube between your mouth and your stomach).
Its lining isn't designed to protect it from stomach acid so it gets
irritated.  Worst case, if it gets irritated enough for long enough it can
cause cancer.  Other possible fun stuff, it can form scar tissue that keeps
food from going to your stomach in the first place.  Added fun and games can
cause a small amount of the acid to aspirate into your lungs and really
screw up your breathing.  Then there is good ole fashioned heart burn.  Plus
sore throats, chronic sinus problems, etc, etc.

Now Prilosec and other anti acids help by either neutralizing or cutting the
production of stomach acid.  And that can be all the help a lot of people
need.  Weight loss can be a big help but is often easier said then done.
Gravity helps too.  Put your bed on a bit of an incline or sleep in a foam
wedge that keeps your head higher than your stomach.  Sleep on your left
side.  (It helps to keep the top of the stomach closed)

But "heart burn" can be different for different people.  I almost never had
or have heart burn.  Didn't know I had a problem until I started hacking
like a cat with a furball if I didn't cut my food small enough or chew it
small enough.  Got so bad I would gag if I drank a glass of water too fast.

So may all your problems be small ones and I hope the prilosec does the
trick.  It usually will.  But it is still important not to eat too close to
bed time etc.

Jo
William Hamblen - 28 Sep 2006 03:47 GMT
> Is GERD the same thing as acid reflux?

GERD=gastro-esophageal reflux disease, same as acid reflux, same
as the condition they advertise Nexium for.  Nexium used to be
five bucks a pill.  I haven't priced it lately.

You can get similar symptoms from ulcers and other conditions.

Bud
Kreisleriana - 26 Sep 2006 14:42 GMT
>I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
>years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
>side-effect free...

Acid reflux?  Purrs.

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 26 Sep 2006 20:11 GMT
>>John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
>>article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
>>could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
>>side-effect free...
>
>Acid reflux?  Purrs.

'Xactly... tums help kill the acid, but only for a few hours at a time
- then it often comes back worse than before. Hopefully prilosec will
be 'the answer'...
Randy - 26 Sep 2006 15:01 GMT
>I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
>years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
>side-effect free...

My mom had similar simptoms and it was diagnosed as GERD. The doctor put her on
prilosec and she has not had any problems since then.

Purrs on the way for your complete recovery.

Randy

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kilikini - 26 Sep 2006 15:06 GMT
> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

I hope that's all it is, Karen.  That's got to be kind of scary to wake up
at night like that.  Purrs that this stuff works for you!

kili
Adrian A - 26 Sep 2006 17:40 GMT
> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

Purrs on the way! I have a feeling that John may be right.
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Joy - 26 Sep 2006 18:59 GMT
Purrs are on the way.  It certainly sounds like GERD to me.  Those are
exactly the same symptoms I have.  Sometimes an antacid like Gaviscon will
relieve the symptoms if you have them even after taking the Prilosec.  If
it's really bad at night, I go out in the living room and sit with my feet
up.

It would be a good idea to see a gastroenterologist, though.  S/he will
probably want to do an upper endoscopy.  [Suggestion:  Ask them to put you
out.  I've had it done both ways.  When I'm not out, I gag during the test
and it takes me hours to recover from the sedative.  When I'm out, I don't
know what they're doing, and I wake up completely with a clear head a few
minutes after the test is finished.]  GERD can sometimes cause problems in
the esophagus, and the endoscopy can spot them so they can be treated.  If
the Prilosec does it, great.  If not, there are stronger things the doctor
can prescribe.  GERD never goes away, but it is possible to treat the
symptoms, and it definitely isn't a mental problem.

Joy

> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...
Karen AKA Kajikit - 26 Sep 2006 20:10 GMT
>Purrs are on the way.  It certainly sounds like GERD to me.  Those are
>exactly the same symptoms I have.  Sometimes an antacid like Gaviscon will
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>can prescribe.  GERD never goes away, but it is possible to treat the
>symptoms, and it definitely isn't a mental problem.

I'm going to try the prilosec first... if I'm lucky it will take care
of it, at least for now. I've been seriously wondering if I was going
nuts because it's gotten so much worse over the last few months...
John was even asking if I was 'happy' being married to him, because I
didn't have these problems for quite a while last year and they've
suddenly come back! He wants to know if I'm particularly anxious or
depressed or stressed, but I'm no more anxious than usual except for
the sleeping thing! (It's more likely that last year we were eating a
healthier diet and eating earlier in the evenings, so my system wasn't
getting so upset...)
Last night I didn't eat till really late (ironically just before I did
the reading - if I'd read the article first I wouldn't have HAD
dinner, I'd have just stayed hungry for the sake of sleeping!) so I
didn't get to sleep properly till 3am.
Kalynnda Berens - 27 Sep 2006 00:27 GMT
<snip> when I
> go to bed at night I have a strong tendancy to wake myself up either
> with the above or with outright choking... I'll go from a sound sleep
> to sitting bolt upright in bed gasping for breath with my heart
> pounding. <snip>

I can relate!  I did the same thing for years. For me, it was GERD.
Since I've been on medication I have not had one time that I've woken up
unable to breathe!

If Prilosec doesn't work, try other meds or see a doctor for
prescription drugs. I'm on Zantac (ranitidine), but I need to try
another med since it's not working as well as it did six years ago. I
know the drug choices have improved greatly since I was diagnosed.

Your problem is not all in your head. Hopefully, it's GERD, because it
is very treatable. Good luck, and keep us posted.

Kalynnda, mom to the seven furry freeloaders
Sam - 27 Sep 2006 03:38 GMT
> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...
No idea what it is, but purrs that the Prilosec helps.

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Marina - 27 Sep 2006 05:02 GMT
> John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
> article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

Purrs that the medicine works, Karen.

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MaryL - 27 Sep 2006 07:10 GMT
> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

My mother has acid reflux.  She doesn't have exactly the same symptoms, but
it does sound similar.  She used to awaken with massive amounts of phlegm in
her throat.  Her doctor told her to take an antacid before going to bed, but
the change that brought her real relief is that he said we should raise the
head of her bed a minimum of 4 inches.  I was her caregiver for 5 years, and
I had a friend build supports that we placed the front of the bed on.  There
are some wedges available that can be placed between the mattress and
bedsprings, but the supports worked best for us.  She is now in a nursing
home, and we have a sign posted above her bed to remind everyone that the
head must be raised a minimum of 4" at all times.  That has been a lifesaver
for her (at least, it improved the *quality* of her life).

MaryL
MaryL - 28 Sep 2006 02:47 GMT
>> John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
>> article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> MaryL

One thing I forgot to mention about my mother's acid reflux is that her
doctor also told her to be sure not to lie down for at least 30 minutes
after eating.

MaryL
Jo Firey - 28 Sep 2006 03:10 GMT
>>> John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
>>> article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> MaryL

Or drinking for that matter.  I have to watch that I don't get the bright
idea to drink a glass of water or milk right before bedtime.

Jo
polonca12000 - 27 Sep 2006 20:24 GMT
> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

Lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
sriddles@aol.com - 28 Sep 2006 00:07 GMT
> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

Hi Karen--I'm sorry I somehow missed this post yesterday.  But I wanted
to tell you that you sound exactly like my DH. This went on for years.
AFter he started having chest/throat pain associated with it he finally
got worried enough to see a doctor. And, yes, it was acid reflux
disease. He got a presciption for Nexium and hasn't had a problem
since, as long as he stays on the med he is fine.
Prilosec might work as well for you though. If it does, that would be
great. Nexium is very expensive and the insurance co. really kicks up
about paying for it. I think the reason they gave him nexium is that it
has healing properties for the damage that had been done to his
esophogus/throat for letting the acid reflux go so long untreated.

Sherry
William Hamblen - 28 Sep 2006 03:47 GMT
> John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
> article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...

I hope the Prilosec helps.  You ought to consult an MD just to
make sure nothing worse is going on.  My mother had GERD for
years and eventually got to the point she couldn't swallow at
all, which is a real emergency.  She had to be admitted to the
hospital where they threaded a ballon down her esophagus and
stretched the narrowed section.  She had to have follow up
endoscopic examinations for a while after that.  She also was on
NSAIDs for arthritis, which tended to agravate the problem.  
She used Prilosec until she died at age 96.  I've inherited the
tendency for GERD and take Prilosec myself.  I've noticed no
side effects.  Raising the head of the bed is supposed to help.  
You can get molded plastic risers from Wal Mart that look better
than concrete blocks.  Losing weight is supposed to help, but
that is easier said than done. :)

Bud
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 29 Sep 2006 19:44 GMT
>I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
>years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
>side-effect free...

You got it, Karen.  Purrs on the way from another GERD sufferer.

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 30 Sep 2006 02:42 GMT
>>John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
>>article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
>>could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
>>side-effect free...
>
>You got it, Karen.  Purrs on the way from another GERD sufferer.

What do you use for yours? The prilosec didn't work out for me at all
- it had undesirable side effects that made me wonder if I was having
a nervous breakdown this week! I couldn't sleep at all until the
stupid thing wore off... and it seemed to shut my digestive system
down entirely, which made me feel awful. I'm just going to use Pepcid
AC from now on...
tension_on_the_wire - 30 Sep 2006 04:00 GMT
> What do you use for yours? The prilosec didn't work out for me at all
> - it had undesirable side effects that made me wonder if I was having
> a nervous breakdown this week! I couldn't sleep at all until the
> stupid thing wore off... and it seemed to shut my digestive system
> down entirely, which made me feel awful. I'm just going to use Pepcid
> AC from now on...

Hi Karen:

I'm curious to know what side-effects you had on prilosec?  It is not
known for alot of side-effects, but if you had some, I would like to be
able to ask around my colleagues and find out if other patients
complain of the same thing.  (This is often how subtle side-effects are
caught in medicine....innocuous patient reports, and then word of
mouth between physicians....and then someone thinks to do a
study on it)

--tension
Karen AKA Kajikit - 30 Sep 2006 07:58 GMT
>> What do you use for yours? The prilosec didn't work out for me at all
>> - it had undesirable side effects that made me wonder if I was having
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>mouth between physicians....and then someone thinks to do a
>study on it)

Sure... it wasn't 'supposed' to cause these effects, but I have a
super-sensitive nervous system, and if something can cause a nasty
side-effect it probably will for me. :(
The pills seemed to work too well - my stomach felt like a lead
balloon. It didn't hurt, but my appetite disappeared into oblivion and
I had to force myself to eat anything. I had horrible gas and couldn't
stop burping all day long, and whenever I lay down to try to sleep I'd
hiccup continuously. I hiccupped so much that John said I had to sleep
some place else because I was shaking the bed and hurting his back! I
usually have trouble sleeping at night, but I can nap just fine in the
daytime - this week I couldn't even nap without waking myself up
inside thirty minutes.
Some of this was it enhancing my natural tendencies... I suffer from
anxiety and it generally manifests itself in my throat and breathing.
I hiccup and burp a lot, but taking the med made me do it ten times as
badly...
And lastly, and most alarmingly to me, I had an increase in my
already-high levels of nervous tension and anxiety. Five minutes after
I took the first pill I had a panic attack, and things went downhill
from there. Part of it was being nervous about taking a new drug,
because I'm paranoid about things like that, but I didn't expect to
have any problems with it - according to the box all I had to worry
about was going to the bathroom a lot! I woke up the next morning with
a leaden feeling of depression in the pit of my stomach, and John said
that it was because I was disappointed that I hadn't slept better, but
there was a lot more to it than that - it brought out feelings and
impulses that were very familiar to me from the past, but that I
hadn't felt in a long time and had no reason to feel now.

After I'd had the second dose I realised my heart was racing, and I
went online to try to find out if it was related to the prilosec, but
what I found was this website -
http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810&name=PRILOSEC
and a lot of people had the same sort of effects that I did. I
couldn't untake the pill, but I decided not to take it any more, and
I'm glad I did. On Thursday I really thought I was having a nervous
breakdown... but on thursday night I managed to get some sleep in, and
I felt fine again this morning.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 30 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT
BTW I take it all back... I was every bit as bad last night. I
hiccupped all night long and couldn't sleep a wink even though I was
exhausted - I'd fall asleep sitting upright in my computer chair, then
wake up and go to bed, only to lie there and hiccup for long enough to
wake myself up entirely! I went to sleep for the 'night' at 1am, 2am,
3am, 4am, 5am, and 6.30am... It's not the stupid pills, it's the
stupid me. :( There's something else going on besides reflux but don't
ask me what!
tension_on_the_wire - 30 Sep 2006 20:32 GMT
> BTW I take it all back... I was every bit as bad last night. I
> hiccupped all night long and couldn't sleep a wink even though I was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> stupid me. :( There's something else going on besides reflux but don't
> ask me what!

That was an interesting site, Karen, thanks for the link.

Meanwhile, if you are having significant insomnia problems, consider
that they might be unrelated to everything else, even anxiety.  Talk
to your doc about getting sleep studies done to make sure you
do not have an underlying sleep disorder.  Could make all the
difference
to your other conditions as well, as managing them might become
significantly easier if you can solve any pre-existing sleep issues.

--tension
MaryL - 30 Sep 2006 11:08 GMT
>>>John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
>>>article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> down entirely, which made me feel awful. I'm just going to use Pepcid
> AC from now on...

Have you tried sleeping with the head of your bed raised?  That helped my
mother more than anything else.  The doctor said to start with the head
raised exactly 4".  We first put the front post of the bed on concrete
blocks that were 4", and that worked so well that I later found someone to
build nicer-looking wooden supports.  Some people use wedgest that are sold
for the purpose and placed between the mattress and box springs.  I tried
the bed a couple of times myself to see if it was uncomfortable to have it
raised that way, and it did not bother me at all.

MaryL
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 03 Oct 2006 01:55 GMT
>>>John's going to buy me some prilosec to try today, because if the
>>>article was right, I've had GERD all along. It's hard to believe it
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>down entirely, which made me feel awful. I'm just going to use Pepcid
>AC from now on...

Karen, I'm on Nexium. Maybe that would work better for you?

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Jean Hobbs - 01 Oct 2006 10:51 GMT
Karen, Hi, I had sleep apnea a few years ago,and my
symptoms weren't there all the time, and I would wake up
unable to breath properly, so maybe you have a little bit of apnea as wellas
'gerd' I dont know what that is I've never heard of it. Anyway I hope it
clears up ok. Are you liking it over there, you seem to have settled down
well.
               Hugs Jean and Wilson.

> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...
Matthew - 02 Oct 2006 19:30 GMT
Belated purrs and prayers  for you Karen
When I was having that problem due to eating late at night due to work
schedule and volunteer work.  I took a over the counter drug called gaviscon
it work till I learned how to eat what and not

> I've had this really weird and embarassing health problem for six
> years (no, it's not BO :P ) - I hiccup and burp all the time and feel
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> could be so SIMPLE! Please purr hard for the medicine to work and be
> side-effect free...
 
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