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US hypoallergenic cats go on sale

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Adrian A - 24 Sep 2006 16:42 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm
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sriddles@aol.com - 24 Sep 2006 22:00 GMT
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> Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
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That just makes me sad. We don't need scientists breeding designer
cats. I don't care what the reason is. Just think about all the cats
that were deliberately bred during this process of perfecting this
allegedly hypoallergenic cat. Wonder what happened to *them*. I know
there are lots of arguments *for* this. But I still don;'t like it.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Sep 2006 22:35 GMT
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm

> That just makes me sad. We don't need scientists breeding designer
> cats. I don't care what the reason is. Just think about all the cats
> that were deliberately bred during this process of perfecting this
> allegedly hypoallergenic cat. Wonder what happened to *them*. I know
> there are lots of arguments *for* this. But I still don;'t like it.

I feel the exact same way. I couldn't even read the article, because
I knew it would upset me. Nothing personal, Adrian, I don't mind that
you posted about it. I just didn't want to know, or see pictures of
the cats, etc.

Nature is incredibly complex. You can't just *remove* certain traits
with the idea that it won't have any repercussions. How do we know
that cats don't *need* their dander for some reason? Or that they
don't need whatever mechanism it is that produces the allergenic
proteins? Perhaps they need those proteins - what a concept!

When you start tampering with biological processes, thinking that
you've isolated a particular system, you can be absolutely sure that
you have missed connections to other systems in that same organism,
which will be affected by the change, even if you can't see it.
("You" being scientists, that is.)

When wild animals are deliberately bred for specific personality
traits such as docility or tameness, even using more traditional
breeding methods, all sorts of other traits come along for the ride.
Foxes bred for tameness turn from brown to white. In fact, all
animals bred for tameness almost always change color in successive
generations, and nobody knows why. And that's just the change we can
see! How do we know what we're doing to them on the inside?

And that's not even bringing genetic engineering into the picture,
which can do in a single generation what traditional breeding needs
many generations to accomplish. Imagine the consequences in those
cases. Actually, I can't. We have no idea.

It's one thing to create hypoallergenic makeup or pillows, but a
living, sentient being? What's next, hypoallergenic children? Why
don't they put that money and energy into developing better cloths
to wipe down cats, in order to keep the dander from building up, or
better hepa filters and vacuum cleaners, etc. Oh, forgot, people
don't want to have to do all that *work*. They'd rather buy a
designer kitty.

OK, off my rant now. This just makes me really sad.

Joyce
Takayuki - 26 Sep 2006 04:18 GMT
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm
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>don't need whatever mechanism it is that produces the allergenic
>proteins? Perhaps they need those proteins - what a concept!

I personally have a cautiously optimistic attitude towards this.
Overall, I think it's a positive goal, and not all that different from
breeding that's done all the time for other traits.  The only problem
is if these genes come with some other problems, like you mentioned.

It's that "allergies" seems to be about #3 on the list of reasons
people give up their cats to shelters (with #1 and #2 probably being
something along the lines of "moving/landlord doesn't allow", and
"doesn't get along with other cats/dog/children").  And I want people
like Kristi ("You can buy a new door, but not a new lung") and Susan's
son Sam to be able to snuggle with their cats.
Mischief - 26 Sep 2006 05:01 GMT
Well i love my cats, but i'm not about to trade them in for a hypo
allergenic kitty.

I kinda have mixed feelings for this. While i'm glad that they have
created this, now i'm afraid people will give up their cats or 'trade
them in'

I just manage with what i can, and after cleaning the heck out of my
bedroom when i rearranged it last week, i'm doing pretty well.  During
the day when i'm gone at work, i shut the bedroom door so the ionic
breeze can work on the room.  It's not the greatest, but it does limit
the amount of time spent by the cats in my room, if by a little bit.
And every little bit counts.  

Kristi
tension_on_the_wire - 26 Sep 2006 06:18 GMT
> Well i love my cats, but i'm not about to trade them in for a hypo
> allergenic kitty.
> Kristi

It is good to hear the opinion of someone who is dealing with the
problem.  I too am allergic to cats, hence my previous posts
about the allergic patrol you do on your house to make it liveable.
I'm allergic to lots of other things too, and so the cat is only part
of the problem.  But, like you Kristi, I would never trade any of
my personal, own-found babies for a cat that won't affect my
allergies.  I just cope with the allergies.

However, I do have friends with lethal allergies, one of who
needs to come here a lot right now on account of a crisis going
on in her own life, and I feel so bad for her, even when the cat is
outside and has been there all day, and I have vaccuumed
relentlessly, knowing she is coming over, she starts puffing up
within ten minutes of coming in my house.  I feel helpless, then.

Apparently there are enough people like that who really want
a cat because this article mentions the fact that there is already,
and has been for several years, in the hopes that they would be
successful, a formidable waiting list for one of these cats.  And
it is just *normal* breeding techniques that brought this new "breed"
about, no engineering.

It still rankles, inside though, for some reason.  People who are
willing to pay that much money for a cat (holding Luthien's ears
as I write this) seem to need to get their priorities straight,
I think. If they love cats that much, perhaps they could accept
their allergies, and donate that money to shelters and rescue
operations, and love cats from a distance much more selflessly.
I don't know, I sense a soapbox nearby, better get away
while I still can!

--tension
Karen - 24 Sep 2006 23:30 GMT
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm
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> Sherry

I have to say, I kind of felt this way, but I did see a piece the other
day on a the CBS morning show and it was pretty impressive. There is a
gal who works there who cannot even date a person who owns a cat
because she is so sensative (and I once knew someone this touchy. She
just came on our porch and her eyes puffed up and she became completely
stuffed up and heavy breathing. i think she might have had a fit if she
touched a cat). She sat with this cat for 45 minutes, sitting on her
lap, petting it, and well, her expression was really something. the
other thing is that it's  not like just anyone can buy them. You have
to be tested to make sure your allergies are the ones that are set off
by this particular protein. I was always under the impression the cats
were genetically engineered, but rather they found existing cats to
breed (which explains why some cats make my skin itch and some do not.
I didn't realize it's probably that some are just missing this
protein). So it has its pros and cons. They are so expensive that I
don't think they will in any manner be "throw away" cats and it should
completely dispell "lookie louves" from just getting one. I'm really
undecided about this. In this case, it isn't as though the people
getting these cats would really be able to go to a shelter to pick one
out. They just wouldn't have any cat.
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Sep 2006 04:42 GMT
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> getting these cats would really be able to go to a shelter to pick one
> out. They just wouldn't have any cat.

Well, if they're really not genetically engineered I suppose that makes
it a little better. But I don't think expense is always a factor in
whether or not a cat ends up to be a throw-away cat. I've just seen too
many stupid people who pay as much as $500 for a purebred, and then
find out that even a purebred cat poops and sheds and they're getting
rid of it. /Same with servals. Even status symbols crap on the sofa or
shred the curtains and they don't want any part of it. Some people have
money to throw away, and $3500 isn't the same to them as it is to us.
And that's true of people who spend $70 to adopt a shelter cat too. No
matter how closely you try to examine someone's motive for adopting a
cat some people just turn out to be sucky.

It's the deliberate breeding part that gets me. You know there have
been attempts to come up with this hypoallergenic cat for years. A lot
of regular, mixed-breed cats were brought into the world in the
process.

Maybe I"m just getting more jaded. I'm not criticizing your thoughts,
Karen, I wish I'd seen the program also. Maybe if I had I wouldn't be
so worked up about it.

Sherry
Sherry
Adrian A - 25 Sep 2006 11:42 GMT
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> Sherry
> Sherry

I didn't comment on the article when I first posted because I really wasn't
sure what to think. After sleeping on it, I think it would be a good thing
if a simple test could be devised to se if a cat carried the protien for
allergys, then people could adopt cats from a shelter with more confidence.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Sep 2006 16:54 GMT
> I didn't comment on the article when I first posted because I really wasn't
> sure what to think. After sleeping on it, I think it would be a good thing
> if a simple test could be devised to se if a cat carried the protien for
> allergys, then people could adopt cats from a shelter with more confidence.

That's so simple it's brilliant!

Joyce
Karen - 25 Sep 2006 19:22 GMT
>  > I didn't comment on the article when I first posted because I really wasn't
>  > sure what to think. After sleeping on it, I think it would be a good thing
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>
> Joyce

It really would be a good idea.
Karen - 25 Sep 2006 14:49 GMT
> Well, if they're really not genetically engineered I suppose that makes
> it a little better. But I don't think expense is always a factor in
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> Karen, I wish I'd seen the program also. Maybe if I had I wouldn't be
> so worked up about it.

It just seems quite different to me then "buying a pretty cat" as someone
who goes after a persian or siamese etc. would do. First off, you'd have to
be awfully serious to haul out $3500 to buy a pet unless you are unusually
wealthy and even then, unless you were seriously intent on the allergy
issue, wouldn't you go for a purebred? This is such a specific reason too.
The whole motivation seems different to me then rich folk (or whatever)
buying a purebred to match their furniture. Isn't there a difference for
someone who always wanted to have a cat but blow up the minute they are
close to one as to one who wants a prestige cat? I mean, in the one case,
you could say "you could get a shelter cat" in the other case, the people
would just have no cat at all.  I just can't see hundreds of orders for
these cats actually either.
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Sep 2006 15:45 GMT
> > Well, if they're really not genetically engineered I suppose that makes
> > it a little better. But I don't think expense is always a factor in
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> would just have no cat at all.  I just can't see hundreds of orders for
> these cats actually either.

All good points. Kind of ontopic, too; I had allergies as a kid but
outgrew them. But I am allergic to FRANK. Just Frank. If I don't wash
my hands after messing with him a lot my eyes swell up, itch, water. So
I *firmly* believe the part about some cats having that protein and
some don't.

Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 25 Sep 2006 00:00 GMT
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm

Gee, and I thought Sphinx cats were expensive!  I guess if
one loves cats enough, and is really THAT allergic, it might
be worth it, but I think I'd settle for a Rex or a Sphinx.
(They apparently solve the allergy problem for a lot of people.)
 
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