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US hypoallergenic cats go on sale
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Adrian A - 24 Sep 2006 16:42 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm
 Signature Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk
sriddles@aol.com - 24 Sep 2006 22:00 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm > -- > Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) > Cats leave pawprints on your heart. > http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk That just makes me sad. We don't need scientists breeding designer cats. I don't care what the reason is. Just think about all the cats that were deliberately bred during this process of perfecting this allegedly hypoallergenic cat. Wonder what happened to *them*. I know there are lots of arguments *for* this. But I still don;'t like it.
Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Sep 2006 22:35 GMT >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm
> That just makes me sad. We don't need scientists breeding designer > cats. I don't care what the reason is. Just think about all the cats > that were deliberately bred during this process of perfecting this > allegedly hypoallergenic cat. Wonder what happened to *them*. I know > there are lots of arguments *for* this. But I still don;'t like it. I feel the exact same way. I couldn't even read the article, because I knew it would upset me. Nothing personal, Adrian, I don't mind that you posted about it. I just didn't want to know, or see pictures of the cats, etc.
Nature is incredibly complex. You can't just *remove* certain traits with the idea that it won't have any repercussions. How do we know that cats don't *need* their dander for some reason? Or that they don't need whatever mechanism it is that produces the allergenic proteins? Perhaps they need those proteins - what a concept!
When you start tampering with biological processes, thinking that you've isolated a particular system, you can be absolutely sure that you have missed connections to other systems in that same organism, which will be affected by the change, even if you can't see it. ("You" being scientists, that is.)
When wild animals are deliberately bred for specific personality traits such as docility or tameness, even using more traditional breeding methods, all sorts of other traits come along for the ride. Foxes bred for tameness turn from brown to white. In fact, all animals bred for tameness almost always change color in successive generations, and nobody knows why. And that's just the change we can see! How do we know what we're doing to them on the inside?
And that's not even bringing genetic engineering into the picture, which can do in a single generation what traditional breeding needs many generations to accomplish. Imagine the consequences in those cases. Actually, I can't. We have no idea.
It's one thing to create hypoallergenic makeup or pillows, but a living, sentient being? What's next, hypoallergenic children? Why don't they put that money and energy into developing better cloths to wipe down cats, in order to keep the dander from building up, or better hepa filters and vacuum cleaners, etc. Oh, forgot, people don't want to have to do all that *work*. They'd rather buy a designer kitty.
OK, off my rant now. This just makes me really sad.
Joyce
Takayuki - 26 Sep 2006 04:18 GMT > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >don't need whatever mechanism it is that produces the allergenic >proteins? Perhaps they need those proteins - what a concept! I personally have a cautiously optimistic attitude towards this. Overall, I think it's a positive goal, and not all that different from breeding that's done all the time for other traits. The only problem is if these genes come with some other problems, like you mentioned.
It's that "allergies" seems to be about #3 on the list of reasons people give up their cats to shelters (with #1 and #2 probably being something along the lines of "moving/landlord doesn't allow", and "doesn't get along with other cats/dog/children"). And I want people like Kristi ("You can buy a new door, but not a new lung") and Susan's son Sam to be able to snuggle with their cats.
Mischief - 26 Sep 2006 05:01 GMT Well i love my cats, but i'm not about to trade them in for a hypo allergenic kitty.
I kinda have mixed feelings for this. While i'm glad that they have created this, now i'm afraid people will give up their cats or 'trade them in'
I just manage with what i can, and after cleaning the heck out of my bedroom when i rearranged it last week, i'm doing pretty well. During the day when i'm gone at work, i shut the bedroom door so the ionic breeze can work on the room. It's not the greatest, but it does limit the amount of time spent by the cats in my room, if by a little bit. And every little bit counts.
Kristi
tension_on_the_wire - 26 Sep 2006 06:18 GMT > Well i love my cats, but i'm not about to trade them in for a hypo > allergenic kitty. > Kristi It is good to hear the opinion of someone who is dealing with the problem. I too am allergic to cats, hence my previous posts about the allergic patrol you do on your house to make it liveable. I'm allergic to lots of other things too, and so the cat is only part of the problem. But, like you Kristi, I would never trade any of my personal, own-found babies for a cat that won't affect my allergies. I just cope with the allergies.
However, I do have friends with lethal allergies, one of who needs to come here a lot right now on account of a crisis going on in her own life, and I feel so bad for her, even when the cat is outside and has been there all day, and I have vaccuumed relentlessly, knowing she is coming over, she starts puffing up within ten minutes of coming in my house. I feel helpless, then.
Apparently there are enough people like that who really want a cat because this article mentions the fact that there is already, and has been for several years, in the hopes that they would be successful, a formidable waiting list for one of these cats. And it is just *normal* breeding techniques that brought this new "breed" about, no engineering.
It still rankles, inside though, for some reason. People who are willing to pay that much money for a cat (holding Luthien's ears as I write this) seem to need to get their priorities straight, I think. If they love cats that much, perhaps they could accept their allergies, and donate that money to shelters and rescue operations, and love cats from a distance much more selflessly. I don't know, I sense a soapbox nearby, better get away while I still can!
--tension
Karen - 24 Sep 2006 23:30 GMT >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm >> -- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry I have to say, I kind of felt this way, but I did see a piece the other day on a the CBS morning show and it was pretty impressive. There is a gal who works there who cannot even date a person who owns a cat because she is so sensative (and I once knew someone this touchy. She just came on our porch and her eyes puffed up and she became completely stuffed up and heavy breathing. i think she might have had a fit if she touched a cat). She sat with this cat for 45 minutes, sitting on her lap, petting it, and well, her expression was really something. the other thing is that it's not like just anyone can buy them. You have to be tested to make sure your allergies are the ones that are set off by this particular protein. I was always under the impression the cats were genetically engineered, but rather they found existing cats to breed (which explains why some cats make my skin itch and some do not. I didn't realize it's probably that some are just missing this protein). So it has its pros and cons. They are so expensive that I don't think they will in any manner be "throw away" cats and it should completely dispell "lookie louves" from just getting one. I'm really undecided about this. In this case, it isn't as though the people getting these cats would really be able to go to a shelter to pick one out. They just wouldn't have any cat.
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Sep 2006 04:42 GMT > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm > >> -- [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > getting these cats would really be able to go to a shelter to pick one > out. They just wouldn't have any cat. Well, if they're really not genetically engineered I suppose that makes it a little better. But I don't think expense is always a factor in whether or not a cat ends up to be a throw-away cat. I've just seen too many stupid people who pay as much as $500 for a purebred, and then find out that even a purebred cat poops and sheds and they're getting rid of it. /Same with servals. Even status symbols crap on the sofa or shred the curtains and they don't want any part of it. Some people have money to throw away, and $3500 isn't the same to them as it is to us. And that's true of people who spend $70 to adopt a shelter cat too. No matter how closely you try to examine someone's motive for adopting a cat some people just turn out to be sucky.
It's the deliberate breeding part that gets me. You know there have been attempts to come up with this hypoallergenic cat for years. A lot of regular, mixed-breed cats were brought into the world in the process.
Maybe I"m just getting more jaded. I'm not criticizing your thoughts, Karen, I wish I'd seen the program also. Maybe if I had I wouldn't be so worked up about it.
Sherry Sherry
Adrian A - 25 Sep 2006 11:42 GMT >>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm >>>> -- [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Sherry > Sherry I didn't comment on the article when I first posted because I really wasn't sure what to think. After sleeping on it, I think it would be a good thing if a simple test could be devised to se if a cat carried the protien for allergys, then people could adopt cats from a shelter with more confidence.
 Signature Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Sep 2006 16:54 GMT > I didn't comment on the article when I first posted because I really wasn't > sure what to think. After sleeping on it, I think it would be a good thing > if a simple test could be devised to se if a cat carried the protien for > allergys, then people could adopt cats from a shelter with more confidence. That's so simple it's brilliant!
Joyce
Karen - 25 Sep 2006 19:22 GMT > > I didn't comment on the article when I first posted because I really wasn't > > sure what to think. After sleeping on it, I think it would be a good thing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joyce It really would be a good idea.
Karen - 25 Sep 2006 14:49 GMT > Well, if they're really not genetically engineered I suppose that makes > it a little better. But I don't think expense is always a factor in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Karen, I wish I'd seen the program also. Maybe if I had I wouldn't be > so worked up about it. It just seems quite different to me then "buying a pretty cat" as someone who goes after a persian or siamese etc. would do. First off, you'd have to be awfully serious to haul out $3500 to buy a pet unless you are unusually wealthy and even then, unless you were seriously intent on the allergy issue, wouldn't you go for a purebred? This is such a specific reason too. The whole motivation seems different to me then rich folk (or whatever) buying a purebred to match their furniture. Isn't there a difference for someone who always wanted to have a cat but blow up the minute they are close to one as to one who wants a prestige cat? I mean, in the one case, you could say "you could get a shelter cat" in the other case, the people would just have no cat at all. I just can't see hundreds of orders for these cats actually either.
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Sep 2006 15:45 GMT > > Well, if they're really not genetically engineered I suppose that makes > > it a little better. But I don't think expense is always a factor in [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > would just have no cat at all. I just can't see hundreds of orders for > these cats actually either. All good points. Kind of ontopic, too; I had allergies as a kid but outgrew them. But I am allergic to FRANK. Just Frank. If I don't wash my hands after messing with him a lot my eyes swell up, itch, water. So I *firmly* believe the part about some cats having that protein and some don't.
Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 25 Sep 2006 00:00 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5375900.stm Gee, and I thought Sphinx cats were expensive! I guess if one loves cats enough, and is really THAT allergic, it might be worth it, but I think I'd settle for a Rex or a Sphinx. (They apparently solve the allergy problem for a lot of people.)
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