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Mischief - 16 Sep 2006 04:02 GMT
No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
EXCELLENT health.

So why the purrs?

Well, he came in for a shave and bath, and since i had my camera to
take pics of the bitty, i just HAD to snap a few.

Oh, please put away any beverages BEFORE clicking the link.
HINTHINTHINT

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/krysfamulan/album?.dir=/6f27scd&urlhint=actn,ren%3
as,1%3af,0


Oh, and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
LIKES it.

I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....

Kristi
Jo Firey - 16 Sep 2006 04:25 GMT
> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
> EXCELLENT health.
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>
> I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....

Well its better than all shaved.  And I bet it looks pretty good in a few
weeks.

We had a poodle groomer in Alaska who had to keep her long haired cat in a
poodle cut or he sulked over the lack of attention.

Jo
Karen - 16 Sep 2006 05:06 GMT
> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
> EXCELLENT health.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/krysfamulan/album?.dir=/6f27scd&urlhint=actn,ren%3
as,1%3af,0

Oh,

> and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
> LIKES it.
>
> I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....
>
> Kristi

that is bizarre.
Rhonda - 16 Sep 2006 05:20 GMT
Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.

That was pretty nice of the owners to let you put their cat's pictures
on the internet. I probably would have declined in their spot -- I'd
want to hide the evidence, ha!

Rhonda

> Oh, and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
> LIKES it.
>
> I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....
>
> Kristi
-L. - 16 Sep 2006 08:47 GMT
> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.

It's completely assinine.  I would have refused to do it.

> That was pretty nice of the owners to let you put their cat's pictures
> on the internet. I probably would have declined in their spot -- I'd
> want to hide the evidence, ha!

They should be shot.

Plus it looks like the cat's underbelly wasn't shaven - what's the
point?

-L.
Rhonda - 16 Sep 2006 14:40 GMT
>>Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.
>
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> Plus it looks like the cat's underbelly wasn't shaven - what's the
> point?

What would be the point of shaving a cat in general? Do people really
come in and ask for things like that?

I can see wanting a little trim on a long-haired cat.

Rhonda
Jo Firey - 16 Sep 2006 16:31 GMT
>>>Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Rhonda

Sometimes cats have to be trimmed.  And its usually relatively traumatic.
If you have them shaved it doesn't have to be done so often, and also gets
all the tangles out.

My aunt routinely has her Himalayans bellies, or rather pretty much
everything but their backs heads and tails shaved.  Not as extreme as this
guy.  They won't let her brush them and they don't keep the tangles out
themselves.

They are rescue cats, so it isn't like she had the chance to train them
better.  Her first Him, adored brushing and always looked wonderful.
Karen - 16 Sep 2006 22:34 GMT
>>>> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.
>>>
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> They are rescue cats, so it isn't like she had the chance to train them
> better.  Her first Him, adored brushing and always looked wonderful.

We had to shave our persian Nermal ocassionally because the texture of
her hair was such it just matted like mad and she wasn't real ammenable
to combing. However, while the shaving neccesitated putting her under,
she LOVED not being matted. She looked odd, but she felt great and we
told her she was gorgeous and made over her. SHe acted totally
different. Like a queen.

My vets have a himalayan named Katrina who has diabetes and
pancreatitis. They have to shave her because she will NOT groom. Her
former owner apparently had her groomed once a month and she never
learned. With all her trouble she gets poopy butt a lot and it makes it
much easier for them to clean her too. She's been there a year.
Generally she has always looks like she doesn't feel well but the last
two times I've seen her she is actually almost perky.
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Sep 2006 23:23 GMT
> >>>> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.
> >>>
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> told her she was gorgeous and made over her. SHe acted totally
> different. Like a queen.

Just like Biskit. I mean, she pranced around just like a little queen.
She didn't even act like the same cat. She has long, fine hair that
tends to be greasy. Frank's hair is much thicker and longer than hers,
yet he never gets matted. It's just the kind of hair they were born
with. If Biskit liked brushing, it wouldn't get so bad.
-L. - 16 Sep 2006 17:19 GMT
> What would be the point of shaving a cat in general?

Poor grooming and Matting.

> Do people really
> come in and ask for things like that?

Oh yeah.  I used to do 4-10 body shaves or lion cuts a  day.
This is a photo of a lion cut that has been done very well, with a
close-cut blade:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/lioncut.asp
That looks like one of my cuts, actually.

A body shave keeps the hair on the legs longer and the tail is kept
intact, although the "panty" area may be trimmed.

> I can see wanting a little trim on a long-haired cat.

Gross warning...

"Little trims" aren't worth the money, and they look like crap.
Usually it's people who have a Persian or Himmie and are too lazy to
groom the cat.  So they neglect it for 6 months, the cat becomes
completely matted from head to toe - often with globs of poop stuck on
it's butt for weeks (sometimes complete with maggots**), and then they
bring it in to the vet for a shave and a bath.  It's amazing how people
will pay $400-$1200 for a cat and then neglect it.  Of course, by the
time they bring it in, it's so matted it has to be sedated to be
groomed,  and that adds another $20-$65 to the grooming bill.  I have
groomed cats where the job costs the owner $85.00-$100.00 when all is
said and done.

I will never have a long-haired cat for this reason.  Simply too much
trouble to keep it groomed properly.  Very few people properly groom
their long-haired cats.

**maggots were fairly common.  The case that took the cake (well, one
of them) was the woman who brought her cat in for "worms".  The cat was
emaciated, covered from head to toe in matts, had maggots all over its
butt, had an abscessed vulva and was hyperthyriod on top of it all.
She should have been turned into animal cruelty for neglect.  The truth
is, she was so stupid she didn't know they were maggots, and couldn't
figure out why the cat hadn't peed or pooped in days.

-L.
(Can you guess one of the reasons I quit being a vet tech...? ;)
Rhonda - 17 Sep 2006 06:01 GMT
> **maggots were fairly common.  The case that took the cake (well, one
> of them) was the woman who brought her cat in for "worms".  The cat was
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> -L.
> (Can you guess one of the reasons I quit being a vet tech...? ;)

OMG, I don't think I could hold my tongue or be civil after seeing a cat
like that. Did you actually have to talk to this woman? That poor cat.

Rhonda
-L. - 17 Sep 2006 06:25 GMT
> OMG, I don't think I could hold my tongue or be civil after seeing a cat
> like that. Did you actually have to talk to this woman? That poor cat.
>
> Rhonda

The vet explained it to her and then as the cat was convalesing in the
hospital, I explained it to her again.  She was just really, really
dumb.  Some people are too dumb to have animals.

That's not the worse thing I saw, but I won't gross you or distress you
out any further. ;)  let's just say I had to be talked out of calling
the humane society on more than one occassion.  I now wish I had...

-L.
mlbriggs - 17 Sep 2006 18:42 GMT
>> OMG, I don't think I could hold my tongue or be civil after seeing a cat
>> like that. Did you actually have to talk to this woman? That poor cat.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -L.

That is  distressing.  Perhaps people like this are really retarded and
not just dumb.   MLB
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 16 Sep 2006 19:32 GMT
> What would be the point of shaving a cat in general? Do people really
> come in and ask for things like that?

I had one semi-long hair whose fur used to mat dreadfully
during a summer of rolling around on a concrete driveway.
Shaving her might have made better sense than trying to clip
the mats with a scissors.  ...Especially after the time I
clipped a few, only to have her come in a bit later with a
huge gaping sore where she'd been licking at a spot I
unknowingly nicked with the scissors!  (Yes, she had
complained, but this was the cat who yelled as though she
were being tortured whenever I changed her flea collar - I'd
learned to ignore a few screams.)  After stitches and a week
in a belly bandage, I decided to let the vet handle them,
the next time.
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Sep 2006 19:55 GMT
> Plus it looks like the cat's underbelly wasn't shaven - what's the
> point?
>
> -L.

I didn't notice that. No, there's no point to the haircut. If it was
for the cat's comfort or hygeine, that's the most important part to get
off.

Sherry
Christina Websell - 16 Sep 2006 21:02 GMT
>> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.
>
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> Plus it looks like the cat's underbelly wasn't shaven - what's the
> point?

I will add my 2p worth here.  If it is necessary for a cat to be shaved
because it is matted, so be it.  Some cats, especially ex-ferals will not
allow grooming under any circumstances.
However, if it was ever necessary for my two I would have the whole body
shaved and not leave a "Mohican" to make him/her a laughing stock.  IMO this
is wrong.  I don't think my vet would do it and let a cat look ridiculous.
I'm sure they would shave the whole body  to let all the hair grow back in
at the same time and at least give the cat some dignity.

Tweed
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Sep 2006 23:18 GMT
> >> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a cat.
> >
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>
> Tweed
But Biskit wouldn't care if her whole body was shaved or if I told them
to make her look like a French poodle. The 'do is for me, not her. She
just likes the comfort. I don't think dignity figures in for a cat re:
their haircut. (although they *do* know when they are being laughed at.
Heck. She doesn't know what she looks like anyway. When she looks in a
mirror she thinks it's another cat.

Sherry
Christina Websell - 17 Sep 2006 00:01 GMT
>> >> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a
>> >> cat.
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> Heck. She doesn't know what she looks like anyway. When she looks in a
> mirror she thinks it's another cat.

You are absolutely right.  Cats maybe don't know about dignity.. although I
think they do.  I do, though on their behalf.

> Heck. She doesn't know what she looks like anyway.

Are you saying, then, that you can make her look like anything you want?

When she looks in a
> mirror she thinks it's another cat.

Most animals are not able to understand their reflection in a mirror.

Tweed
sriddles@aol.com - 17 Sep 2006 00:37 GMT
> >> >> Wow, that is quite a haircut. I've never seen any cut like that on a
> >> >> cat.
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>
> Are you saying, then, that you can make her look like anything you want?

Yes. Comfort/hygeine is the priority, not looks. She's a cat. She
doesn't go to school and have to worry about the other cats laughing at
her. She wouldn't know the difference between a mohawk and a lion cut.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Sep 2006 01:33 GMT
>> Are you saying, then, that you can make her look like anything you want?

> Yes. Comfort/hygeine is the priority, not looks. She's a cat. She
> doesn't go to school and have to worry about the other cats laughing at
> her. She wouldn't know the difference between a mohawk and a lion cut.

Dogs are apparently very self-concious about their fur. I've heard of
shaved dogs hiding under porches and so forth, presumably due to the
humiliation.

Cats hate to be laughed at and taunted, but I don't think that just
having shaved fur is enough to make them feel ashamed.

When Smudge gets older and isn't so great about grooming her butt, I
will most likely have it shaved regularly. But it doesn't get hot enough
around here to have to shave her whole body.

Joyce
Matthew - 16 Sep 2006 05:41 GMT
A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served cold
and Revenge shall be mine

> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
> EXCELLENT health.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Kristi
Adrian A - 16 Sep 2006 11:20 GMT
> A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
> cold
> and Revenge shall be mine

I thought that line came from, Khan Noonien Singh, in Star Trek: The Wrath
of Khan (1982)
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Matthew - 16 Sep 2006 18:05 GMT
>> A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
>> cold
>> and Revenge shall be mine
>
> I thought that line came from, Khan Noonien Singh, in Star Trek: The Wrath
> of Khan (1982)

Yeppie  you are right also  I was remembering it from the Star Trek Series
Kreisleriana - 16 Sep 2006 18:08 GMT
>> A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
>> cold
>> and Revenge shall be mine
>
>I thought that line came from, Khan Noonien Singh, in Star Trek: The Wrath
>of Khan (1982)

Actually, it's an Italian proverb.  Or so I thought. ;)

I can just see it, now, everyone claiming it.  Italians, Klingons,
vengeful kittycats. ;)

Theresa
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Matthew - 16 Sep 2006 18:15 GMT
>>> A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
>>> cold
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I can just see it, now, everyone claiming it.  Italians, Klingons,
> vengeful kittycats. ;)

I thought that was  you are going to sleep with fishes If you get my drift
or was that just something the Godfather said
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Sep 2006 23:03 GMT
> > A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
> > cold
> > and Revenge shall be mine

> I thought that line came from, Khan Noonien Singh, in Star Trek: The Wrath
> of Khan (1982)

But he got it from the Klingons.

And the screenwriter got it from Moby Dick, I believe.

Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Sep 2006 23:21 GMT
>  > Matthew wrote:
>  > > A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
>  > > cold
>  > > and Revenge shall be mine

>  > I thought that line came from, Khan Noonien Singh, in Star Trek: The Wrath
>  > of Khan (1982)

> But he got it from the Klingons.

> And the screenwriter got it from Moby Dick, I believe.

Never mind. That movie did quote a lot from Moby Dick, so I assumed
that was one of them. According to several web sources, the phrase
is unattributed, and appears in many languages and cultures.

Joyce
Christina Websell - 17 Sep 2006 00:04 GMT
> > > A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
> > > cold
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Joyce

My grandmother said this to me many moons ago before Star Trek was invented.

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Sep 2006 01:30 GMT
> <jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net> wrote in message
>>
>> But he got it from the Klingons.
>>
>> And the screenwriter got it from Moby Dick, I believe.

> My grandmother said this to me many moons ago before Star Trek was invented.

Exactly. It was not invented by whoever wrote the script for Star
Trek II.

Joyce
Adrian A - 17 Sep 2006 11:03 GMT
>  > <jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net> wrote in message
>  >>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Joyce

I didn't think for one minute that it was, but when I hear that phrase I
visulise Ricardo Montalban saying it.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Sep 2006 21:00 GMT
> I didn't think for one minute that it was, but when I hear that phrase I
> visulise Ricardo Montalban saying it.

Ricardo Montalban, was, indeed, the best thing about that movie!

Joyce
tension_on_the_wire - 18 Sep 2006 05:58 GMT
> I didn't think for one minute that it was, but when I hear that phrase I
> visulise Ricardo Montalban saying it.

With all the Wrath of Khan, it still doesn't erase my memory of "Good
to the last drop"

--tension
William Hamblen - 17 Sep 2006 02:58 GMT
>> > > A old proverb that a Klingon taught me  Revenge is a dish best served
>> > > cold
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Tweed

Kathleen Taylor, on the radio program, "Word for the Wise", said, "In
Dangerous Liaisons, Pierre Choderlos de LaClos writes: 'La vengeance
est un plat qui se mange froid.'"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/wftwarch.pl?100504

Eaten cold, not best served cold, but close enough.

Bud
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mlbriggs - 16 Sep 2006 06:14 GMT
> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
> EXCELLENT health.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Kristi

The owner is apparently sadistic.   Poor baby - such a sad face.   Purrs
that he will retain his dignity.   MLB
Adrian A - 16 Sep 2006 11:15 GMT
> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
> EXCELLENT health.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Oh, please put away any beverages BEFORE clicking the link.
> HINTHINTHINT

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/krysfamulan/album?.dir=/6f27scd&urlhint=actn,ren%3
as,1%3af,0


> Oh, and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
> LIKES it.
>
> I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....
>
> Kristi

I find those pictures very disturbing. :-(
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Takayuki - 16 Sep 2006 23:41 GMT
>> I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....
>>
>> Kristi
>
>I find those pictures very disturbing. :-(

I think he looks fine.  It's just a haircut. :)

He's a very patient kitty!
Micha - 16 Sep 2006 12:47 GMT
Hmm..., IMHO the last of the four pics - the one which shows the cat's
face - tells the story: the cat is composing a bill of indictment,
considering the sentence that will be put about this human being and
estimating the amount of punishment inflicted with it.

Hope you got the permission to publish the pics, otherwise that can
mean trouble with the owner of this cat.

Squarely Yours
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Rhonda - 16 Sep 2006 14:38 GMT
> Hope you got the permission to publish the pics, otherwise that can
> mean trouble with the owner of this cat.

As a professional tech, I just assumed she did. At the very least the
clinic would lose a client if they found out.

Rhonda
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Sep 2006 23:04 GMT
> > Hope you got the permission to publish the pics, otherwise that can
> > mean trouble with the owner of this cat.

> As a professional tech, I just assumed she did. At the very least the
> clinic would lose a client if they found out.

She said she had permission in the initial post.

Joyce
Mischief - 17 Sep 2006 03:11 GMT
.....since a few people seem to be uncomfortable with me posting them.
And at this point it really doesn't matter if i did get permission or
not.   I never said I didn't but i never said i did.   I thought it was
quite disturbing and thought that I would share just how ridiculous
this was.

There isn't any way to formally identify the cat anyway.  I didn't name
the cat, the owners, or the clinic.  And the pics aren't even that
demeaning.  Now if i had put, "Look at how sadistic the owners were by
wanting this type of haircut."  Then that would be different.  If i
said this cat was abused in any form that would be totally different.

All I did was take pictures of a cat with a funny haircut and shared
them with my friends.

That's all.  

Kristi
sriddles@aol.com - 17 Sep 2006 03:15 GMT
> .....since a few people seem to be uncomfortable with me posting them.
> And at this point it really doesn't matter if i did get permission or
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Kristi

Don't worry about it Kristi--your photos sparked a lively debate and
that's a good thing--it's been slow here for a while!
If if was my cat I wouldn't mind at all. But some people feel different
about those things I guess.

Sherry
Mischief - 17 Sep 2006 03:22 GMT
Yeah i jsut posted a few pics and i was VERY surprised to see so many
responses when i got home today.

No harm done, but I figured it would be better for everyone if they
were removed.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 17 Sep 2006 04:24 GMT
>Yeah i jsut posted a few pics and i was VERY surprised to see so many
>responses when i got home today.
>
>No harm done, but I figured it would be better for everyone if they
>were removed.

I didn't get to see them (pouts)
Rhonda - 17 Sep 2006 05:41 GMT
I think that's a good idea, Kristi. If you got permission, no problem.

Pictures posted on the internet end up everywhere. People steal other
people's pics with no thought to copyright at all. This cat's pic could
end up in one of those emails you get a million times of wet cats, etc.,
the ones where people actually do make fun of the cats.

I think you did a smart thing by taking it off.

Rhonda

> Yeah i jsut posted a few pics and i was VERY surprised to see so many
> responses when i got home today.
>
> No harm done, but I figured it would be better for everyone if they
> were removed.
-L. - 17 Sep 2006 06:37 GMT
> .....since a few people seem to be uncomfortable with me posting them.
> And at this point it really doesn't matter if i did get permission or
> not.   I never said I didn't but i never said i did.   I thought it was
> quite disturbing and thought that I would share just how ridiculous
> this was.

I didn't read the entire thread but why would anyone care if you posted
pics of someone's anonymous cat?  That's just ridiculous!

> There isn't any way to formally identify the cat anyway.  I didn't name
> the cat, the owners, or the clinic.  And the pics aren't even that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> That's all.

Sweet cream of Jesus! Some people need to get a life and quit trying to
micromanage the world....

-L.
Rhonda - 17 Sep 2006 15:22 GMT
> I didn't read the entire thread but why would anyone care if you posted
> pics of someone's anonymous cat?  That's just ridiculous!

That would be me...

> Sweet cream of Jesus! Some people need to get a life and quit trying to
> micromanage the world....

I'll be back to studying next week so will probably post less soon.

Guess what I'm studying?  The web, digital photography, copyrighting,
images on the internet and who owns them, when is it okay to photograph
someone else and when is it not... That's my life for now. ;)

Rhonda
sriddles@aol.com - 17 Sep 2006 16:26 GMT
> > I didn't read the entire thread but why would anyone care if you posted
> > pics of someone's anonymous cat?  That's just ridiculous!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Rhonda

That would be interesting...I'm always kind of interested in that. From
all the years I worked in newspaper, I know the journalism laws re:
plagiarism, copyrighted photos in the print media world. But the
internet is a whole new ball game. I do a newsletter and am always
looking for filler stuff. I always ask for permission so far, even
thought it's a long shot that anyone would actually see our little
newsletter. Lots of times I've been tempted though.
Sherry
Rhonda - 17 Sep 2006 18:24 GMT
>>>I didn't read the entire thread but why would anyone care if you posted
>>>pics of someone's anonymous cat?  That's just ridiculous!
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> newsletter. Lots of times I've been tempted though.
> Sherry

It is pretty interesting. What did you do in newspaper?

I also did a little newsletter for a rabbit rescue group and I did the
same thing with pictures. I'd find the funniest rabbit pictures on
websites but would not use them unless I got permission. It was tempting
though, there are some incredible pictures out there.

Our digital photography instructor told us that even if you put your
copyright watermark on a picture, it's common practice for others to
just clone them out on photoshop. He asked how many people in the class
had done that and lots of people raised their hands. It's a copyright
violation, but done all of the time. I couldn't believe that -- it was a
wake-up moment for me.

I have come to the conclusion that if you put a picture on the internet,
 you are releasing it to the world -- people will just take your photos
and not say a word.

We get away with some things for "educational purposes." After
graduation though, we have to follow the rules.

Rhonda
sriddles@aol.com - 17 Sep 2006 23:35 GMT
> It is pretty interesting. What did you do in newspaper?

Mostly ad design & layout. But I've done just about everything else
too. I was the art department manager for years at a large metro
newspaper but at the smaller ones, I did everything from writing copy
to photographs all the way to catching the papers coming off the press.

> I also did a little newsletter for a rabbit rescue group and I did the
> same thing with pictures. I'd find the funniest rabbit pictures on
> websites but would not use them unless I got permission. It was tempting
> though, there are some incredible pictures out there.

I'm afraid to. Some people are nuts about it. I used a portrait of my
grandmother in a "Pioneer Days" layout, and a woman called claiming it
was some ancester of hers, who had not been dead for the required time
to be in public domain, and was gonna sue us. Sheesh. Even though she
was wrong, that was a wake-up call for me. To learn that there *are*
people out there ready to sue you. Good luck with your class!

Sherry
Rhonda - 18 Sep 2006 18:15 GMT
>>It is pretty interesting. What did you do in newspaper?
>
> Mostly ad design & layout. But I've done just about everything else
> too. I was the art department manager for years at a large metro
> newspaper but at the smaller ones, I did everything from writing copy
> to photographs all the way to catching the papers coming off the press.

Sounds like you've done it all. That must have been so interesting.

We listened to a columnist talk last quarter, and she talked about
different aspects of the paper. Sounded like they were a great team and
had a blast.

>>I also did a little newsletter for a rabbit rescue group and I did the
>>same thing with pictures. I'd find the funniest rabbit pictures on
>>websites but would not use them unless I got permission. It was tempting
>>though, there are some incredible pictures out there.

> I'm afraid to. Some people are nuts about it. I used a portrait of my
> grandmother in a "Pioneer Days" layout, and a woman called claiming it
> was some ancester of hers, who had not been dead for the required time
> to be in public domain, and was gonna sue us. Sheesh. Even though she
> was wrong, that was a wake-up call for me. To learn that there *are*
> people out there ready to sue you.

That is pretty wild!

Hmmm, maybe that was a long-lost cousin?  ;)

>Good luck with your class!

Thanks, Sherry.

Rhonda
tension_on_the_wire - 18 Sep 2006 20:19 GMT
> > I'm afraid to. Some people are nuts about it. I used a portrait of my
> > grandmother in a "Pioneer Days" layout, and a woman called claiming it
> > was some ancester of hers, who had not been dead for the required time
> > to be in public domain, and was gonna sue us. Sheesh. Even though she
> > was wrong, that was a wake-up call for me. To learn that there *are*
> > people out there ready to sue you.

Not just ready to sue you....they are actively and avidly searching the
net in order to *find* you.  She didn't come across your site by
accident!

> Hmmm, maybe that was a long-lost cousin?  ;)

eek, one can only hope not!

--tension
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Sep 2006 18:50 GMT
Hey, Kristi, you really should learn not to be so sensitive!
  I think Rhonda was only trying to be helpful, since most
of us know nothing about "copyright" rules for the internet,
and she realized you are in a position where they might
apply.  Certainly no one here would want to upset you, or
make you feel bad!  (You contribute too much of value to the
newsgroup - we miss your posts when you get too busy to
participate here.)

> .....since a few people seem to be uncomfortable with me posting them.
> And at this point it really doesn't matter if i did get permission or
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>
> Kristi
Micha - 17 Sep 2006 15:40 GMT
>  > Micha wrote:
>  > >
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>
> Joyce

Well, in the OP Kristi said:

> Well, he came in for a shave and bath, and since i had my camera to
> take pics of the bitty, i just HAD to snap a few.

So that does not say, she's allowed to post them.

And later on she wrote:

> Oh, and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
> LIKES it.

but that referred to the - ehm - eccentric hair cut and that it was
not a mistake by the owner.

I sincerely hope, that no one gets into trouble here.

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Christina Websell - 17 Sep 2006 23:23 GMT
>>  > Micha wrote:
>>  > >
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>
> I sincerely hope, that no one gets into trouble here.

Oh, for goodness sake!  Kristi took a photo of an anonymous cat to share her
concern about the owners giving it such a haircut.  Has she said "this is
Kitty Smith, and this is where he lives?"  Of course not.
Can anyone identify the cat from the photo?  No.
What a ridiculous fuss about nothing.

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 18 Sep 2006 04:54 GMT
> Oh, for goodness sake!  Kristi took a photo of an anonymous cat to share her
> concern about the owners giving it such a haircut.  Has she said "this is
> Kitty Smith, and this is where he lives?"  Of course not.
> Can anyone identify the cat from the photo?  No.
> What a ridiculous fuss about nothing.

If any copyright issues are involved, isn't Kristi the
"copyright holder" of the products of her own camera?  Do
newspapers have to get permission from all the subjects of a
news photograph before they can publish it?  Let's get REAL
here, people!

> Tweed
Rhonda - 18 Sep 2006 17:24 GMT
>> Oh, for goodness sake!  Kristi took a photo of an anonymous cat to
>> share her concern about the owners giving it such a haircut.  Has she
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> If any copyright issues are involved, isn't Kristi the "copyright
> holder" of the products of her own camera?  

Yes, they are her pictures. On the internet though --  people normally
don't ask before they use them for anything else.

> Do newspapers have to get
> permission from all the subjects of a news photograph before they can
> publish it?  

Depends where the subject's picture was taken. If the subject is in a
public place, pictures can be taken and published without permission.

> Let's get REAL here, people!

Okay, being real and up-front is a good thing.

Rhonda
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 16 Sep 2006 19:21 GMT
> Oh, and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
> LIKES it.

He doesn't LOOK as though he likes it much!  (Look at the
expression on his face - "resigned" maybe, but "likes it"?)

> I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....

Well, the fur will grow back of course - but why shave him
at the END of the summer instead of at the beginning?  He
looks fairly long-haired - was it all in mats from rolling
around on a concrete driveway or something?
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Sep 2006 19:53 GMT
> > Oh, and YES the owner wanted this and she claims that the cat actually
> > LIKES it.
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> looks fairly long-haired - was it all in mats from rolling
> around on a concrete driveway or something?

The fur grows back so fast, in about 12 weeks it's back like it was.
Some cats just mat. They don't even have to do anything, it's the kind
of fur they have. Biskit *never* goes outdoors and she matts something
awful. And she hates to be brushed, so that adds to the problem.

Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Sep 2006 19:50 GMT
> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
> EXCELLENT health.
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>
> Kristi

That's not an asthetically good haircut (IMO, but the eye of the
beholder and all that)...
The owner is probably right. If the cat's hair was long, thick/ and
matted, the cat probably does like it. Biskit is going to get shaved
every spring from now on. She loves it. She is cool, comfortable, and
prances around like she knows she's pretty.
But if the owner did this simply because it looks bizarre, that's not
right.

Sherry
Joy - 16 Sep 2006 19:55 GMT
>> No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
>> EXCELLENT health.
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>
> Sherry

I agree.  My son used to have his Persian shaved because her fur got so
matted, but they shaved everything except the head and the tip of the tail.
She would have looked like an albino lion if she didn't have that flat face.

Joy
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Sep 2006 23:14 GMT
> The owner is probably right. If the cat's hair was long, thick/ and
> matted, the cat probably does like it.

Several years ago, Smudge got mats on her flanks, and I had her shaved.
I couldn't afford a groomer, but someone I knew volunteered to do it
for free. She showed up at my place with an assistant, and it took the
3 of us to hold Smudge down while she shaved her flanks. I'm sure they
could hear Smudge screaming in neighboring counties. And these *were*
screams - long, sustained meows that just went on and on, extremely
loud. It was torture for all concerned.

But when it was over, Smudge bounced back immediately. She ate the
treats and food we gave her, and seemed generally quite unperturbed.
The 3 of us humans were quite shaken by the ordeal, however.

Smudge is my first long-haired cat, so I didn't realize this would
happen unless I paid close attention to her grooming. I have never
allowed her to get mats again, I must say!

Joyce
Karen AKA Kajikit - 17 Sep 2006 04:14 GMT
>No, this cat is not dying.  In fact as far as I know this cat is in
>EXCELLENT health.
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>
>I wouldn't ever EVER put a cat through this.....

Where's the pic gone Kristi? It says it's inaccessible and ask the
owner? :(
 
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