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Mischief - 13 Sep 2006 03:21 GMT
Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
going to have a fun time there.

I got my schedule and i'm getting along great with everyone.    I
helped out with mainly simple things,  getting blood, putting the
appointments into the exam rooms.  I'm getting to do thigns that
previously i hadn't been allowed to do at previous clinics.

My foot arches hurt, but i'm happy.

A few things about the clinic

there are about 3 hospital cats.  Rosie, Sergio and I forget the name
of the other one.  Rosie is kinda skittish but wanders around and will
rub against you if you're not busy.

Sergio, is known among the other employees as a psycho cat.  I found
that out when i went to scritch him behind the ears.  He seemed to like
it, but suddenly he let out a small hiss and took a swing at my hand.
Fortunately i moved my hand away.  This is a cat with a SERIOUS
attitude problem.

I haven't met Nox, but i would say that Sergio is her counterpart.  In
the afternoon, we had a dog tied up while we were getting some other
things done, and suddenly the dog started barking loudly and pulling.
I looked to see what he was barking at and I saw Sergio, about 4 feet
in front of the dog.  Man if looks could kill.  It was like he was also
giving the dog the finger.  sheesh!

The other interesting thing that happened was at the end of the day.

A girl came in and said she and her employer had been spraying
pesticide outside her workplace when she found this tiny kitten in the
bushes.

It's black and white and about 5 weeks old  The poor thing was
lethargic and covered in fleas  Poor thing!!

My coworker and I brought it into the back treatment room to tackle it
with flea combs while the receptionist talked to the doctor to make up
and estimate, etc  After a few minutes we decided to stop until we knew
exactly what we were doing  The kitten was a bit squirmy, but we were
too busy pulling off fleas

So I decided to go weigh him  I took him out and put him on the scale
His weight was 0.8 pounds. That's right, he hardly even registered on
the scale he was so small

He started to run away so i kinda scruffed him with my right hand and
scooped him up with my left.

"REEEEOOWW!!!!"  *CHOMP!*

Searing pain is in my left index finger as this tiny kitten clamped his
jaws down  I pulled on his scruff and was going "OWLEGGOOWOWLEGGO!!"

He let go only for a moment and then chomped down again, this time
harder  I could feel his little teeth piercing my skin.

Finally I got him to let go and took him back into treatment where the
conversation went something like this.

"The little bugger BIT me!"

"What?  He BIT you?  That tiny thing?"

Hmph.......  Everyone said the same thing.

yeahyeahyeah, i got bit by a kitten so small he barely registered on
the scale.  His baby teeth weren't even completely in and he still
nailed me.  harhar, hmph.

I scrubbed my hand with betadyne for like 5 minutes and  then soaked it
in a betadyne/water solution for a few more minutes.  It didn't swell
up that much, and wasn't too sore, so i figured i would live.  I have
one puncture mark from the first bite and two from the canine teeth
from the second bite.  Owie......

I have some leftover amoxicillan from a few months ago, so i took some
as soon as I got home.

I'll keep an eye on it and if it gets bad, I'll go to the doctor.

It still just floors me that on my FIRST day, i not only get BIT, but
bit by a kitten i could fit into my shoe.  SHEESH!!!

Anyways back to the kitten.  We gave it a bath and picked off all the
fleas with the poor kitten screaming every step of the way; and one of
the receptionist wanted to name it Bessie.  I said "Why not something
more appropriate, like Pirahna?"  She wasn't amused.

The kitten was so anemic from all the fleas that it was practically
impossible to find a vein to get enough blood.

Then we ran the FELV/FIV test, and she came back FELV positive.
eeek.......

All the employees that had been contimplating taking in this cat
suddenly changed their minds.  I mean most of us have cats and we can't
bring a FELV positive cat into our household.

The girl that brought her in said she had two cats and didn't have a
way to really isolate the kitten.  So i think we decided that we were
going to keep her overnight at least until we can find out if a home
can be found for her.

An FELV positive cat is a big resposibility.  So I don't know what's
really going to happen.

Purrs that something good will happen to this kitten.

and purrs for my poor finger.

Kristi
Mischief - 13 Sep 2006 03:25 GMT
ARGH!!

And now I come home and Mayhem is crying for attention.  So i reach
down and pet her and WHAT does she do?

Chomps down for a love bite.   OW!!!

She doesn't seem to understand why i'm yelling at her for biting
tonight.  

Grrrrr......

Kristi
mlbriggs - 13 Sep 2006 05:37 GMT
> nd pet her and W

How  does that little saying go?  Something like:
Scratch?  He never would.
He only bit the ones he loved
Because they tasted good."   MLB
meeee - 13 Sep 2006 07:03 GMT
Ow!!! Don't worry, I am getting bitten left right and centre by 15cm long
siamese kittens all day; I feel your pain!! Since they figured out I dole
out the food, they seem to think i AM the food....is it just me, or are
kitten teeth sharper than adult teeth??

> ARGH!!
>
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>
> Kristi
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 13 Sep 2006 15:26 GMT
> Ow!!! Don't worry, I am getting bitten left right and centre by 15cm long
> siamese kittens all day; I feel your pain!! Since they figured out I dole
> out the food, they seem to think i AM the food....is it just me, or are
> kitten teeth sharper than adult teeth??

Yes!  Look at them - they're like tiny needles!  Cat's adult
teeth are shorp enough, but they have more substance.
meeee - 14 Sep 2006 01:08 GMT
>> Ow!!! Don't worry, I am getting bitten left right and centre by 15cm long
>> siamese kittens all day; I feel your pain!! Since they figured out I dole
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> Yes!  Look at them - they're like tiny needles!  Cat's adult teeth are
> shorp enough, but they have more substance.

And is it just me, or at 3-4 weeks are they entirely feral? They spook at
absolutely anything, and God Forbid I attempt to interfer with their
food....got attacked by all 6 at dinnertime last night when I was trying to
move the bowl away from their mum (who refused all tinned and dried food
until the kittens wanted some)

Hope your finger is feeling better today! :)
CATherine - 14 Sep 2006 02:32 GMT
>ARGH!!
>
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>
>Kristi

Oh, your poor finger! I hope this second bite wasn't the same finger.
I am sending purrs for quick healing and for the kitten to get a good
home.

--
CATherine
Mischief - 14 Sep 2006 03:24 GMT
yes it was the same finger.  Both bites were at the base of my left
index finger.  First bite there was only one puncture, but the second
one she got a better grip and her left upper and lower canine teeth got
me.  

Finger is much better, a little sore, but totally fine.
CATherine - 15 Sep 2006 02:30 GMT
>yes it was the same finger.  Both bites were at the base of my left
>index finger.  First bite there was only one puncture, but the second
>one she got a better grip and her left upper and lower canine teeth got
>me.  
>
>Finger is much better, a little sore, but totally fine.

I hope you are not left-handed. But at least the bites are on the
mend.

--
CATherine
MonkeySnaps@gmail.com - 13 Sep 2006 06:27 GMT
> Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
> going to have a fun time there.

<snip>

If the bite broke your skin, the kitten needs to be quarantined for
rabies.

-L.
Mischief - 13 Sep 2006 07:04 GMT
I'll mention it at work tomorrow.

The incubation period of rabies if 4 to 6 weeks, and this kitten is 5
weeks old.  And I don't see how it could have been infected as a
neonate.  It's considered a low-risk animal. But I know there is always
a chance and I'll ask if anything is gonna be done.  If a home cannot
be found for the kitten, the vet might euthanize it, and send it to be
tested but I don't know if that will happen yet.  And if not, I'll ask
if we're going to hold it for ten days for observation.  But it would
really suck to observe it for ten days just to euth it anyway.

I am going to watch the site carefully.  I scrubbed it thoroughly with
Betadyne for 5 minutes after i was bit, and then soaked it in a
betadyne/water solution for another 5 minutes.  And I'm taking
amoxicillan.

If over the next few days it gets more swollen or if I see red tracks
then yes i'll go to the doctor and mention it.

I do know that rabies vaccines for humans are pricey, so i might call
my health plan and find out how much.  Wouldn't hurt to get vaccinated,
but if its pricey i might have to wait.

I am up to date on my tetanus vaccine too

Kristi
The Polish-Kraut - 13 Sep 2006 14:57 GMT
>I'll mention it at work tomorrow.
>
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>
>Kristi

When did you have your last tetnus (SP) shot?
Mischief - 14 Sep 2006 03:23 GMT
Had my last tetanus shot in 2004
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Sep 2006 17:27 GMT
> I'll mention it at work tomorrow.

> The incubation period of rabies if 4 to 6 weeks, and this kitten is 5
> weeks old.  And I don't see how it could have been infected as a
> neonate.

When I volunteered at the Humane Society, the quarantine period was
10 days for a cat bite. If the cat didn't show symptoms after 10 days,
then the person who was bitten wouldn't have to go for rabies treatments.

Joyce
-L. - 17 Sep 2006 06:33 GMT
> I'll mention it at work tomorrow.
>
> The incubation period of rabies if 4 to 6 weeks, and this kitten is 5
> weeks old.  And I don't see how it could have been infected as a
> neonate.

IIRC it can be passed from the momma cat.  If the momma is feral, she's
an unknown as well.

>  It's considered a low-risk animal. But I know there is always
> a chance and I'll ask if anything is gonna be done.  If a home cannot
> be found for the kitten, the vet might euthanize it, and send it to be
> tested but I don't know if that will happen yet.  And if not, I'll ask
> if we're going to hold it for ten days for observation.  But it would
> really suck to observe it for ten days just to euth it anyway.

Ugh.  I'd rather see it go to a shelter than be euthed for lack of
home.  At least at a shelter it would get a few more days reprieve...

> I am going to watch the site carefully.  I scrubbed it thoroughly with
> Betadyne for 5 minutes after i was bit, and then soaked it in a
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>
> I am up to date on my tetanus vaccine too

That's good.  FWIW, hot salt water is better than anything else for
drawing an infection out of a cat bite.  I got bit once really badly
and the dang thing started swelling and becoming infected immediately.
After an hour, my finger was the size of a polish sausage.  I got some
antibiotics but I also soaked my finger that night in hot salt water (1
cup salt per gallon) and the infection was drawn out of the wound and
into the water.  It healed 90% by the next day.

-L.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 13 Sep 2006 15:23 GMT
>>Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
>>going to have a fun time there.
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> If the bite broke your skin, the kitten needs to be quarantined for
> rabies.

What's the incidence of rabies in feral kittens in the San
Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles?  I think Kristi and the
kitten may both rest easy.  (And it was hardly an unprovoked
attack - not from the kitten's point of view, however benign
Kristi's intentions!)
meeee - 13 Sep 2006 07:03 GMT
:( poor little thing. Purrs that a cat-free household with open hearts will
come for the little mite.

> Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
> going to have a fun time there.
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>
> Kristi
Adrian A - 13 Sep 2006 12:39 GMT
<snip>
> Purrs that something good will happen to this kitten.
>
> and purrs for my poor finger.
>
> Kristi

Purrs for the kitten and your finger.
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Micha - 13 Sep 2006 14:41 GMT
> Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
> going to have a fun time there.
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>
> My foot arches hurt, but i'm happy.

Good luck purrs for a successful first working week.

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Helen Miles - 13 Sep 2006 23:17 GMT
> Then we ran the FELV/FIV test, and she came back FELV positive.
> eeek.......
>
> All the employees that had been contimplating taking in this cat
> suddenly changed their minds.  I mean most of us have cats and we can't
> bring a FELV positive cat into our household.////

Is there anyway she can be isolated until a second re-test can be done
in 12 weeks?

Many purrs for the little one.

Helen M
Mischief - 14 Sep 2006 03:44 GMT
My finger is fine, a little sore but totally okay.

All three vets at work agree that the chances of the kitten having
rabies is slim to none, so we're talking a 99.5% chance that it's
totally cool.

However, to be on the safe side we called the girl who brought her in
this morning to see what the status is.  Apparently after i left, the
girl took her home and kept her in the carrier in the bathroom away
from her other cats.

When the girl called back the vet told her that the kitten had bitten
me (I thought she had already mentioned that.  This is a vet fresh from
vet school FYI) And then we find out from the girl that apparently the
kitten had also chomped on her too.

Sooooo the kitten is now in the isolation ward at work for observation
for 10 days, just in case.  Cause now we're not just talking about me,
we're also talking about the girl too.  Also it gives the girl, and
possible us time to try to find a home for her.

Normally there aren't many cases of false positives for FELV.  There
have been cases of false negatives.  Ideally kittens should be tested
when they are 8-12 weeks old, but it is okay to test them as young as 5
weeks.

HOWEVER, it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that the kitten be RETESTED in 8-12
weeks just in case it was a false negative.

In this kitten's case, it would be a good idea to retest her in 8-12
weeks, but it is probably she'll test positive again.  Then if the
owner is really willing to spend the money, they could opt to have the
blood sent to a professional lab to be officially tested but again it
could just tell us what we already know.

So not sure what's really going to happen.  I don't know if i mentioned
but originally there were two kittens found.  One was brought to my
clinic and the other was given to a friend and taken to another clinic.
But apparently they didn't test for FELV, until we called them and let
them know the first kitten was positive.

>From what I hear the second kitten has been tested and is also FELV
positive.  The other vet clinic was one that i had interviewed at back
in May and I know there's someone there that fosters/finds homes for
strays, so i know that one is in good hands.  (They offered me a
position but only wanted to pay me $10 and hour)

How the kittens got this is not really known.  The virus is transferred
in saliva and nasal secretions. It also can be transmitted in urine and
feces from infected cats. Cat-to-cat transfer of the virus may occur
from a bite wound or even during grooming or even from sharing
food/water dishes.  And it can also go from an infected mother cat to
her kittens, either before they are born or while they are nursing,
which to me is the most likely.

The little bugger is cute and i held her a few times today.  She is
eating.  After we had given her the bath yesterday we put her in the
cage and she wouldn't go towards the kitten gooshy food.  So we
literally plopped her face into it and BOY did she start chomping.

Have you ever seen a kitten eat gooshy food for the first time?  They
don't lick it, they literally bite it and SHOVE their faces into it.
Man, did this kitten shove her face in.  I was giggling it was so cute.
 I actually had to take the dish away cause i didn't want her to
overstuff herself and vomit.  I then had to clean all the food that was
all over her nose.  Awwwww!!!

I will keep you update on the kitten's status.

Oh and have you ever seen a kitten meatloaf?  It's SOOOOO CUTE!!!!

Kristi
Joy - 14 Sep 2006 07:18 GMT
> My finger is fine, a little sore but totally okay.
>
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>
> Kristi

I think you're in love!  <G>

I'm glad things are going so well.

Joy
Mischief - 14 Sep 2006 07:27 GMT
Oh no you don't!  NONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!! x Infinity

I have THREE cats and I do NOT need a fourth.  Absolutely not...

HUSH!! I HEAR YOU GIGGLING!!!

Hmph......

Seriously though, i can't since it's FELV positive.

Yes I will admit that even though this kitten chomped me, (on Friday
I'll bring my camera and take pictures of the little pirahna) it is
hard to stay mad at a bitty.

Oh, and I'll be sure to include pics of her eyes.

She's slightly cross-eyed.

Kristi
Takayuki - 15 Sep 2006 02:17 GMT
>Seriously though, i can't since it's FELV positive.
>
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>
>She's slightly cross-eyed.

She sounds more like she's a head vampire.  Once she bites you, you're
her slave.  But you're right - you can't take in a bitey FeLV+ kitten
when you already have cats.

I'm looking forward to pics. :)
CATherine - 15 Sep 2006 02:30 GMT
>Have you ever seen a kitten eat gooshy food for the first time?  They
>don't lick it, they literally bite it and SHOVE their faces into it.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Kristi

AAAAWWWWWWWW! She sounds so cute. Is she still fiesty or has she
decided you are her new mommy since you gave her food? I hope she ends
up in a wonderful home. Purrs,

--
CATherine
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 Sep 2006 06:04 GMT
> Oh and have you ever seen a kitten meatloaf?  It's SOOOOO CUTE!!!!

I know!! They look so perfect, a perfect replica of a big kitty
meatloafing, except, it's TINY! A mini-meatloaf!

Joyce
Dewi - 15 Sep 2006 06:45 GMT
Aren't you vaccinated against rabies?

Dewi.
Mischief - 15 Sep 2006 07:32 GMT
erm, no, and like the scatter brained nut that i am i totally forgot to
call my health plan to see if they cover rabies vaccines

but my finger is almost completely healed.

And i'm current on my tetanus shot, but it probably wouldn't hurt to
get vaccinated for rabies.

Tomorrow is Friday and will be day 3 of quarantine for the little
pirahna's, oops, i mean BITTY.

And I'll take pics so you can see just how vicious this kitten is.

:P

Kristi
tension_on_the_wire - 15 Sep 2006 08:20 GMT
> erm, no, and like the scatter brained nut that i am i totally forgot to
> call my health plan to see if they cover rabies vaccines
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>
> Kristi

Actually, from what I have heard....getting vaccinated for rabies hurts
quite a bit.  Anyway, that's a non-issue if you are in the LA area.  I
had to check into it very carefully when importing two cats from Canada
when I lived there.  Rabies vaccination for pets is not recommended by
LA vets and is only given upon specific request from owners who don't
know better, or might be moving northeast one day.  There is no endemic
rabies in domesticated animals there, and even in the urban wildlife in
that area it is pretty much non-existent.  They have not had a case of
rabies in a domestic animal in LA for several years, last I heard.
Besides which....if a rabid animal got to your little kitten, it would
very likely be dead, or at least noticeably mangled.

--tension
Joy - 15 Sep 2006 08:29 GMT
>> erm, no, and like the scatter brained nut that i am i totally forgot to
>> call my health plan to see if they cover rabies vaccines
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>
> --tension

I'm not that far from LA, and all the vets I've gone to have recommended
rabies vaccinations for pets.

Joy
tension_on_the_wire - 15 Sep 2006 08:48 GMT
> > Actually, from what I have heard....getting vaccinated for rabies hurts
> > quite a bit.  Anyway, that's a non-issue if you are in the LA area.  I
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Joy

Hi Joy.

Well, it is hard to comment not knowing where you are.  I'm not sure
exactly how far "not that far" is, but any distance from LA generally
lands you in more rural, or canyon country (with coyotes), unless you
are in the desert, in which case you are dealing with a different
kettle of fish.  In those places, one might be more careful.  But in
the greater LA area, that was certainly my experience after living
there for sixteen years and taking cats to vets the whole time.  I also
had to rigorously research the policies of LA County, and rabies
vaccination was *not* recommended.  And they were quite clear that
rabies is *not* a big problem anywhere in Southern Cali.  I still had
to get them vaccinated in order to take them back up to Canada when I
eventually moved there for three years.  But not for LA County.  They
may have different policies in San Bernardino and other counties which
abut the desert or canyon country.

Of course, it is always possible that your vets made recommendations
that would do no harm to the cats (if the pain doesn't count) and did
no harm to their accounting books either.  I have been given to
understand that this is a common occurence in medical practice of all
types, be it animal or human.

--tension
Mischief - 16 Sep 2006 02:44 GMT
I think he means that it's not required for CATS to be vaccinated for
rabies.  For dogs it is mandatory in order their license, and that's in
any state.  

Kristi
tension_on_the_wire - 16 Sep 2006 04:29 GMT
> I think he means that it's not required for CATS to be vaccinated for
> rabies.  For dogs it is mandatory in order their license, and that's in
> any state.
>
> Kristi

If you are referring to my post, then yes, you are right.  I was
referring to cats, though I mistakenly said pets at one point. I
thought it was pretty much implied that we were discussing cats.

Rabies rules for dogs are very different, and I think that is due to
the fact that strangers getting bitten by other people's pets are
usually concerning themselves with dogs, rather than cats.  This makes
liability issues much more important for dog owners.  With mandatory
rabies vaccinations, a random dog bite in the neighborhood becomes
easier to deal with, even though they will quarantine the animal for
observation, even when vaccinated.  Perhaps having a documented rabies
vaccination saves them from being immediately euthanized for quick
autopsy results, which is what is done when the culprit is a wild
animal.  
--tension
Tish - 15 Sep 2006 08:52 GMT
>Actually, from what I have heard....getting vaccinated for rabies hurts
>quite a bit.  Anyway, that's a non-issue if you are in the LA area.  I
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>
>--tension

BTDT - although Australia is rabies-free, rabies vaccination is the
recommended preventative for a bat-virus called lyssavirus.  I found
that out when I got bitten by a fruit bat caught in a netted fruit
tree.  It is a painful injection, what's more it has to be injected
both in the site of the injury (in my case, my thumb - lots of nerve
endings there!) and a four-week followup course of injections that are
given on the basis of body weight.  I'll not even mention the cost.
All-in-all, not an event I'd care to repeat!

Tish
Dewi - 15 Sep 2006 11:11 GMT
My rabies vaccines weren't painful, but I hadn't been bitten. Maybe
they use a different vaccine for people who have already be exposed. I
can imagine how pricey the vaccine is here.

I had mine when I was in Indonesia and I guess this sort of vaccine is
more common there and consequently cheaper. We didn't need it IMO. We
were being overly paranoid due to one of my dad's work colleagues being
paranoid, after his saw Neil, my dad and I petting a kitten. But
anyway, there's no harm in being vaccinated. At least I have little to
worry about if I come in contact with fruit bats.

Dewi

> BTDT - although Australia is rabies-free, rabies vaccination is the
> recommended preventative for a bat-virus called lyssavirus.  I found
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>
> Tish
badwilson - 15 Sep 2006 14:18 GMT
> My rabies vaccines weren't painful, but I hadn't been bitten. Maybe
> they use a different vaccine for people who have already be exposed. I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Dewi

Being vaccinated against rabies does not make you not catch rabies.  It
just makes the treatment once you have it, less painful.  But it is
still supposed to be agonizing, with needles in the abdomen, etc.  Also,
if you were vaccinated, you would not be in as much pain once you did
get bitten and caught it.  It's a complicated thing, but all considered,
I never thought that the vaccinations were really worth it, considering
cost and all.
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Dewi - 15 Sep 2006 11:00 GMT
I got a series of rabies vaccines in 1999 and they weren't particularly
painful. No more painful than your usual injection.

My dad, back in the 1970's was bitten by a dog thought to have rabies.
The vaccine in those days was given into the abdomen and was quite
painful. The vaccine has improved considerably since then.

Dewi.

> Actually, from what I have heard....getting vaccinated for rabies hurts
> quite a bit.  Anyway, that's a non-issue if you are in the LA area.  I
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>
> --tension
Cheryl - 16 Sep 2006 00:55 GMT
> Normally there aren't many cases of false positives for FELV.
> There have been cases of false negatives.  Ideally kittens
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> officially tested but again it could just tell us what we
> already know.

Glad to have read that your finger is healing.  One of the risks of
the job.  ;)  Keep your tetnus (SP) and rabies vaccines up to date!
Seriously!

About FELV, though, I've done a lot of reading about it because of
Shadow's unfortunate experience being infected by a blood
transfusion. First, false positives aren't that uncommon at all.
Also, a positive result doens't mean persistent (permanent)
infection. Cat could be fighting off the virus. I'm not sure how
likely a small kitten is to fight it off, but in any case, it's
only persistent when it gets in the bone marrow. All cats who test
positive to the ELISA test should be later retested using the lab
IFA test.

More reading:
"First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One
is the in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA
test. Both types test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they
detect the protein in different forms and detect infection at
different stages. 1 If a cat or kitten is ELISA positive, but
healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is where the
confusion begins.

If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two
possibilities. One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is
a stage of the disease is present at which the IFA test doesn't
detect infection. Therefore the suspect cat or kitten should be
isolated and retested in at least 6 weeks. If, at that time the cat
is IFA positive, you know that the cat if infected. The IFA is 99%
accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and infect
other cats and kittens."
http://www.acfacats.com/felv.htm

Continued best wishes for your success, and I just love reading
your vet tech stories.

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Cheryl

Mischief - 16 Sep 2006 03:08 GMT
Wow, thanks Cheryl.   I did know part of that, but I didn't know about
the IFA, so thanks for looking that up for me.

I've received an email stating kinda the same thing, and that we
shouldn't have assumed that the kitten actually has FELV.  "The clinic
should KNOW THAT and to make any decisions based on one in-house test
(which btw has been reported to have a high rate of false positives) is
wrong."

Not to sound ungrateful, cause i do appreciate all responses, but
here's the OFFICIAL standing to avoid any confusion.  This is mainly in
response to the email i received.

I apologize if it sounded like we had made a decision, but we have NOT,
i repeat, NOT made ANY FINAL diagnosis as far as this kitten's leukemia
is concerned.  All we know right now is that the kitten tested positive
for FELV on the ELISA test.

This does NOT necessarily mean that the kitten has FELV.  We are not
saying that the kitten even HAS FELV, we are saying that the kitten has
TESTED POSITIVE for FELV.  I'm sorry if saying that the kitten has
leukemia makes it sound final, but it's not.

The next step, as I mentioned before in the update, would be to re-test
in 8-12 weeks when the kitten is older and send the blood out to a
professional lab.  ANY vet will tell you that.  Even I as a technician
knows that, and it's the vet's resposibility to tell the client that
just because the kitten tested positive, it does not neccessarily mean
the kitten really has FELV.

However, all we can do is RECOMMEND that step.  The kitten does NOT
belong to us, so we CANNOT make the decision.  Only the OWNER or party
RESPONSIBLE for the kitten can actually make the decision, since they
are the ones paying for it.

Now if the owner decides she doesn't want the kitten or doesn't want to
even DEAL with the kitten, THEN decisions will have to be made, but I
won't be the one making them.  As of this afternoon, no decisions has
been made as to the kitten's fate after the 10 day quarantine is over.

Hope this clears some things up, but thanks for all the responses.

Kristi
-L. - 17 Sep 2006 06:43 GMT
> Wow, thanks Cheryl.   I did know part of that, but I didn't know about
> the IFA, so thanks for looking that up for me.

I am glad they have quarantined the little bugger.  Your chances of
contracting rabies are slim, but better safe than sorry.  I hope if
kitty has feline leuk that you can place her anyway - she's awfully
cute!
-L.
Sam - 14 Sep 2006 03:50 GMT
> Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
> going to have a fun time there.
<snipped>
> Purrs that something good will happen to this kitten.
>
> and purrs for my poor finger.
>
> Kristi

Glad to hear it went well with the people, if not the kitten.  Purrs for
your finger and the kitten are on the way.

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Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

tension_on_the_wire - 14 Sep 2006 06:38 GMT
> > Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
> > going to have a fun time there.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> --
> Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

I think that little kitten hazed you.  You have been inaugurated into
your new job using Ordeal by Needle technique.  "Welcome to the
Clinic".  By the way, keep a very close eye on your hand because since
you took a dose of Amoxicillin, you may have partially treated a
Pasteurella Multocida infection, which is much more common than rabies
which is virtually non-existent in the city and urban areas around LA.
If there is a partially-treated infection there (and one dose is
enough) then it will not get all red or swollen within the first couple
of days, as it might have done if you had not taken anything.   It
might take much longer to show up, and not until there is more tissue
damage underneath.  Don't take any more antibiotics, or it might lurk
under there.  If it is there, let it declare itself so that you can get
the full treatment and banish it once and for all.  Partially-treated
infections can be much more insidious and difficult to notice right
away until they become much more established under the skin, often
making abcesses and worse.  Best not to take antibiotics for
prevention, as this is a common result.

---tension
Mischief - 14 Sep 2006 07:40 GMT
> I think that little kitten hazed you.  You have been inaugurated into
> your new job using Ordeal by Needle technique.  "Welcome to the
> Clinic".

Hmph

By the way, keep a very close eye on your hand because since
> you took a dose of Amoxicillin, you may have partially treated a
> Pasteurella Multocida infection,

Yeah that crossed my mind too.

It's not even that swollen, and it's just a little pink around the
puncture wounds,

But don't worry I'm watching it.  And giving myself hot compresses too.

I've been bit worse.

But thanks for the concern.

Oh, and you want some more irony?

I had been filling out new employee paperwork intermittently throughout
the day.  Literally 30 minutes BEFORE i got chomped by this bitty, I
had JUST signed the paper saying I had read and understood the clinic's
Workman's Compenstaion in case of Injury Program.

yeahyeahyeah....

Kristi
SuzQ - 14 Sep 2006 12:08 GMT
Sorry about you hand. Purrs for an Itty Bitty that has such a rough start
in life.
Suz&Spicey
polonca12000 - 15 Sep 2006 22:08 GMT
> Well just got back from my first day at the new clinic, and i think i'm
> going to have a fun time there.
<snip>
> A girl came in and said she and her employer had been spraying
> pesticide outside her workplace when she found this tiny kitten in the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Searing pain is in my left index finger as this tiny kitten clamped his
> jaws down  I pulled on his scruff and was going "OWLEGGOOWOWLEGGO!!"
<snip>
> Then we ran the FELV/FIV test, and she came back FELV positive.
> eeek.......
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Kristi

We are sending lots of purrs and best wishes for your finger to heal,
Kristi, and for the kitten to find a home with someone who maybe already
has a FELV positive cat,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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