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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / September 2006UPDATE ON SPIRIT Good and bad
I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends in these cat groups. Ok the good news is he is home and still with us. I was scared out of my mind that I was going to have to put him down today. All the symptoms he was showing were telling me kidney failure. I was not going to let him suffer ( This is my greatest fear) OK here is the bad news he is showing signs of being diabetic. THAT IS THE 2ND CAT IN LESS THAN A YEAR and only the third I have ever encountered in all my years. His glucose was 319 he had a fever of 104.1 He had a full blood panel drawn result in a few days < on my knees praying for good results > It was not my regular vet. I go back to him on Monday. This vet thought it might have been pancreatic but did not show any follow up signs. He said it might have been the start of kidney failure but hopefully we got it in time. So here is the deal 1.5 cc of omyicillin 2x a day till it is out for the fever 1 unit of insulin 2x a day. which his lucky since I have all of rumble's stuff still. Monday he goes back to be checked by my vet and another glucose test to be done They want me to put him on Purina diabetic hard food since that is all Spirit will eat. So to this is all over and I get him regulated like I did rumble NO MORE TREATS. I have to be strong. I feel like I have been dragged behind a moving truck for a hundred miles. I am sorry it took so long to update but I had to pass out 30 minutes of sleep does not do it. I still did not rest well and I am feeling it. Spirit is in the family room. When we brought him home he walked out of his cage into the kitchen and demanded lunch. He is more responsive after the vet. He still is weak and is lying about but is still getting up and about. I have to keep Ka'Shay away from him she won't leave him alone. I want my Spirit back to his old self. <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. > Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> The high blood sugar could be due to an infection or pancreatitis. I hope he shows improvement soon. >> I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. >> Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > The high blood sugar could be due to an infection or pancreatitis. I hope > he shows improvement soon. Thanks the vet thought about the pancreas also but the tell tale signs were not present ???? . They did a full blood panel and the results will be back in a couple days. I see my regular vet on Monday I will let him do another full examination I trust him with my life and theirs completely I was thinking when he said fever 104.1 there had to be a infection somewhere. IMO in a cat if there is a fever there is an infection just like us I am hoping the high blood sugar is just a byproduct. On another note it has been over a month since Rumble stopped his diazepam and almost 3 months since his last insulin shot. 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the odds ( I don't want to know ) ;-) >>> I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. >>> Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the > odds ( I don't want to know ) ;-) Higher than you think, but I'm really suspicious when a fever is involved so be careful about looking for sluggishness and throwing up etc. in case that subsides and the insulin is unneeded. You don't want to throw Spirit into a hypo if the BG goes down because the infection gets better. >>>> I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. >>>> Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > that subsides and the insulin is unneeded. You don't want to throw Spirit > into a hypo if the BG goes down because the infection gets better. He is very sluggish right now but he was very sluggish last night it has actually improved a bit. I know he is not feeling well he is showing it. He is eating and responding to his name and to touch but is moving very slow when he does move and really has no strength. My vet will make sure he is tested that was what he did with Rumble if every one remembers when I got his diet regulated his sugar went back down to 73 with insulin we stopped his insulin and it is in the high range of ok but still is in the ok. he gets checked here soon also. My poor furballs I feel so bad when he looks at me with those eyes as if please help me. I have to choke back the tear. I moved him to a bed so he would be more comfortable. He is napping right now but responds to noise and his name. I am watching for low blood sugar. He gets another dose of antibiotics here tonight. I have to be careful I am allergic to penicillin. He gets a shot about 11 pm tonight. I hope he feels a little better later on. I want my furball to be his old self > He is very sluggish right now but he was very sluggish last night it > has actually improved a bit. I know he is not feeling well he is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > am allergic to penicillin. He gets a shot about 11 pm tonight. I hope > he feels a little better later on. I want my furball to be his old self Me too. I hope he gets to feeling better very soon! >My poor furballs I feel so bad when he looks at me with those eyes as if >please help me. I have to choke back the tear. I moved him to a bed so he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >penicillin. He gets a shot about 11 pm tonight. I hope he feels a little >better later on. I want my furball to be his old self Awww. That is very sad. I know that look too. But they're very tough creatures. I hope he feels better soon. >> I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. >> Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > The high blood sugar could be due to an infection or pancreatitis. I hope > he shows improvement soon. Thanks the vet thought about the pancreas also but the tell tale signs were not present ???? . They did a full blood panel and the results will be back in a couple days. I see my regular vet on Monday I will let him do another full examination I trust him with my life and theirs completely I was thinking when he said fever 104.1 there had to be a infection somewhere. IMO in a cat if there is a fever there is an infection just like us I am hoping the high blood sugar is just a byproduct. On another note it has been over a month since Rumble stopped his diazepam and almost 3 months since his last insulin shot. 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the odds ( I don't want to know ) ;-) > 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the odds Does diabetes in cats have the same cause as diabetes in humans? Have you been giving sugary treats to your cats? If so, it's probably not a good thing to do. I've never had a cat (or d*g) get diabetes so I don't know for sure, but I know I've never given sugar to any animal, not even a horse. I won't eat sugar (in any form including honey, etc.) myself, either. >> 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the >> odds [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > horse. I won't eat sugar (in any form including honey, etc.) myself, > either. No the treat that the cats would get were not sugary. Never would do that would never want to clean up my mistake. They were like Pounce tartar control or rumble favorite temptation seafood. Spirit free feeds on either Purina health urinary tract, IAMS healthy cat or Whiskas hard food different varieties. Diabetes has quite a few factors that can cause it in felines http://www.felinediabetes.com/ Rumble does not fall in the over weight category he is actually perfect weight. It was in his genes. But personally I think that the glucose levels are off due to the fever. I hope but I am not a vet >> 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the odds > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >sure, but I know I've never given sugar to any animal, not even a horse. I >won't eat sugar (in any form including honey, etc.) myself, either. Sugar doesn't actually cause diabetes. Type I diabetes is caused by the body's immune system attacking the insulin-producing cells in the pancreas, as if they were a foreign invader; this is thought to be caused by a virus that has somewhat the same surface chemistry as the insulin-producing cells, so that the immune system attacks both. Type II diabetes is also known as insulin resistance. The pancreas is still producing insulin, but another biochemical step isn't working right, so that the insulin remains in the bloodstream instead of being passed in through the cell walls to where it can be used. The body reacts to this by increasing insulin production, so, in some cases, the insulin=producing cells start wearing out, resulting in the patient having to take insulin. Some type II diabetics have a family predisposition towards the disease, but some don't; many are overweight, but not all. The link with sugar is that a diabetic has to limit his or her intake of high-glycemic-index foods (sugars and simple starches, since they are digested rapidly and lead to a fast rise in blood-sugar levels).  SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>> 2 diabetic cats in the same house within the same year what are the odds >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >of high-glycemic-index foods (sugars and simple starches, since they >are digested rapidly and lead to a fast rise in blood-sugar levels). I forgot to say that a classic symptom of undiagnosed diabetes is frequent hunger, since the patient isn't getting much benefit from what they eat. If other people observe someone eating lots of sugary desserts, and then later that person is diagnosed as diabetic, there is a logical, but false, conclusion that the sugar was the cause. Oh, and I should add, I am not a doctor, but merely a diabetic who has done a good bit of reading about my condition. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes >I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > was showing were telling me kidney failure. I was not going to let him > suffer ( This is my greatest fear) I've been praying and thinking about Spirit all day. I was too busy to post early but I had a little read of the group ;-) It's good news that your fears weren't realised and he was able to come home with you. > OK here is the bad news he is showing signs of being diabetic. THAT IS > THE 2ND CAT IN LESS THAN A YEAR and only the third I have ever > encountered in all my years. > > His glucose was 319 he had a fever of 104.1 Actually, Matthew, compared to the fact you thought you might have to say goodbye today, that is not really bad news, is it? because it can be controlled with medication that you are able to afford. > He had a full blood panel drawn result in a few days < on my knees > praying for good results > Purrs sent for good blood results. > It was not my regular vet. I go back to him on Monday. This vet thought > it might have been pancreatic but did not show any follow up signs. He > said it might have been the start of kidney failure but hopefully we got > it in time. I wonder if there are two things going on here? I can't see that diabetes could give you a fever? Maybe what made him seem ill was his fever (for whatever reason he might have it) and the diabetes just showed up as a sideline, so to speak. > So here is the deal 1.5 cc of omyicillin 2x a day till it is out for the > fever 1 unit of insulin 2x a day. which his lucky since I have all of > rumble's stuff still. Monday he goes back to be checked by my vet and > another glucose test to be done. Lots of luck with this. > They want me to put him on Purina diabetic hard food since that is all > Spirit will eat. So to this is all over and I get him regulated like I > did rumble NO MORE TREATS. Is he fat? Diabetes can be related to obesity - definitely in people - so why not in cats? <gentle snip> <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> Try not to panic any more. You have done the right thing in getting him seen by a vet and his treatment is now in progress. He has his antibiotics and his insulin. You should see an improvement soon. You are such a nice man, Matthew. You care about your cats so much and you treat your DH and family nicely ;-) I have real hope that Spirit will be ok. Tweed >>I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. >>Sometimes I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Tweed Thank you Christina My family might say different ;-) I am hoping that the high sugar level is a result of the fever; IMO which usually when there is a fever there is infection. I am hoping that this is just a byproduct. He weights 15.2 pounds today. I say about 1.5 - 2 pounds over the vet says he is fine but needs to be maintained. Rumble weight is 11.2 and I think he needs to gain a pound to fit a optimum profile. Phantom is the fat boy 19+ can stop him from eating even if you lock him in a room. He goes to the other dishes and licks the bowls but does not free feed much. Spirit is the real only free feeder he only eats wet food when the urge hits him. When I took him off of dry food he refused to eat for 4 days. I gave in and feed him dry. I took him to he vet to make sure nothing was wrong with him-- vet says stubborn streaks must run in the family ^-^ I can't help from panicking sometimes . I am awesome in a emergency I can step up and be the crutch that everyone needs but deep down. I am crying like a child praying I am doing the right thing. I do what needs to be done when it needs to be done. I can't help and feel the way I do when someone or something I love is in pain. I want to take that pain away and bear it myself. After so much trauma in my life. A grief counselor told me once it is like survivors guilt. I would rather it have been me or be me than see anything I love suffer. She told me there was nothing to do about it some people feel more compassion for others and either I can repress it and push what I love away and act like a fool or I could live with it be happy that I actually care about others and live my life the best way I can. I took those words to heart. Sometimes tears flow, gentle words come easy or the hard a@@ that you don't screw with comes out when you screw with something I love. > She told me there was nothing to do about it some > people feel more compassion for others and either I can repress it and push [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the hard a@@ that you don't screw with comes out when you screw with > something I love. Matthew, you're a good guy. Rhonda I know this is hard to take, but it is much better than you thought it might be. Purrs that the high blood sugar will clear up when the infection does. In the meantime, you already know how to treat it, which is good. Your plan of going to your regular vet on Monday is a good one. I'm glad you have somebody you can trust, and there may be enough of an improvement by Monday that he will be able to tell what is going on. Joy >I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes >I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes > I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> So glad to hear that he's at least *some* better. Purrs that you can get his fever under control and control the diabetes, if that's really what it is. Your trusted vet can give you a better feel for what's happening and how to treat it. SignatureSam, closely supervised by Mistletoe ...> . > I want my Spirit back to his old self. Hi Matthew, I hope you get your wish and Spirit has a speedy and complete recovery from whatever is hurting him. At least diabetes is treatable, if that is what it is. Annie Hi Matthew, I'm glad your boy is still around! Our cat, Bob, had diabetes then developed pancreatitus attacks. They're hard to diagnose, but the internist vet caught it with an ultrasound. His symptoms were lethargy, pain whenever we tried to pick him up, high fever (104.5), not eating, and throwing up a lot (usually yellow-colored material.) We finally got them under control with allergy food -- IVD brand was what we used first. IBD can be a cause of pancreas problems in cats. I hope your vet is able to pinpoint the problem. So many cats are diabetic any more -- a larger percent than humans. The feline diabetes group has info that one big suspect is dry food. It has more carbs than cats are built to eat. Good luck with Spirit, Rhonda > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes > I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote in news:HWEMg.32081 $bZ6.1324@tornado.tampabay.rr.com: > His glucose was 319 he had a fever of 104.1 I don't know if it's the same in cats as in humans, but spiking a fever will almost always cause your blood sugar to go up - it's a real problem for diabetics. So maybe once you find the cause of the fever you'll also get rid of the high blood sugar? Chak SignatureThis world taught woman nothing skillful and then said her work was valueless. It permitted her no opinions and said she did not know how to think. It forbade her to speak in public, and said the sex had no orators. -Carrie Chapman Catt, 19th century suffragist > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes > I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends > in these cat groups.//// I'm very late to this, having been away for a while. Many purrs and prayers for your little lad. Helen M > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes > I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> I've got my little furballs on full purr alert for Spirit, Matthew. I'm glad he's going to your regular vet tomorrow since they have the full history on him. Please let us know what this next vet says, will you? This one may think of something the emergency vet didn't. Second opinions are always good! kili >I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes >I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> Purrs and hugs to you and Spirit. He is a gutsy little cat and hopefully you got to the illness in time. We are thinking about you. Sending purrs for Spirit and his stressed out Paw -- thinking of you both; hang in there! Christine > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes > I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > <tears are still flowing from frustration and fear> > I want to start off and say thank you for all the purrs for him. Sometimes > I wonder how I would make it thru the day or remain sane with out my friends [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > He had a full blood panel drawn result in a few days < on my knees > praying for good results > <snip> Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for really good results, Polonca and Soncek |
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