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Christina Websell - 05 Sep 2006 19:35 GMT Blimey. When I got KFC a box to use - having never had one before - I naively thought that with one tiny 4lb cat using it, I might get away with scooping a 16x11 inch box every 2-3 days. Not so. Every evening after work finds me on my hands and knees shovelling and sieving clumps through my cat litter scoop and wrapping the results in newspaper to go into the garbage. I quickly abandoned the very expensive clumping litter of a fine grade. We got through a bag costing nearly 10 dollars in less than 10 days. Plus it stuck like glue to the bottom of the box and tracked everywhere.
I bought a 12kg bag of coarser clumping litter for the same price to try on Monday. Completely cleaned the box out and filled it right up Monday night with absolute pristine litter. Tonight found me on my knees again sieving out huge quantities of pee clumps, almost half the litter was peed up. Plus a couple of the other, which was definitely from Kitty, white from the bones of the collared dove.
I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the whole box in less than 48 hours? If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It must be your life's work :-)
Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Sep 2006 20:02 GMT > I bought a 12kg bag of coarser clumping litter for the same price to > try on Monday. Completely cleaned the box out and filled it right [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It must be your life's work > :-) Sounds excessive to me. Unless your definition of "peed up" is different than mine, which may very well be.
I clean the litter box about once a week. Granted, most folks here would probably accuse me of cat abuse for this kind of neglect, but Oscar's okay with it.
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Christina Websell - 05 Sep 2006 21:05 GMT >> I bought a 12kg bag of coarser clumping litter for the same price to >> try on Monday. Completely cleaned the box out and filled it right [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Sounds excessive to me. Unless your definition of "peed up" is > different than mine, which may very well be. My definition of "peed up" is when most of the litter looks darker in colour and when I investigate with the scoop a lot is clumped and stuck to the bottom of the box and the clean litter is only on top.
> I clean the litter box about once a week. Granted, most folks here > would probably accuse me of cat abuse for this kind of neglect, but > Oscar's okay with it. It's entirely up to you how often you clean Oscar's litterbox. None of my business, oh, excuse the unintentional pun.. Maybe I might get more relaxed about a dirty litterbox at the side of my toilet but I doubt it. I get visitors, who sometimes ask to use my toilet. No problem with a cat lover, but some are not. Big problem with non-cat lovers who notice something big deposited in the last five minutes. Kitty does not bury.
Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Sep 2006 21:30 GMT >> Sounds excessive to me. Unless your definition of "peed up" is >> different than mine, which may very well be. > > My definition of "peed up" is when most of the litter looks darker > in colour and when I investigate with the scoop a lot is clumped and > stuck to the bottom of the box and the clean litter is only on top. I would definitely consider "most" of the litter being darker (obviously having been wet) in a day or two to be an awful lot of pee. That's from my own cat, but also having cared for other cats while their owners were out of town.
> It's entirely up to you how often you clean Oscar's litterbox. None > of my business, oh, excuse the unintentional pun.. Maybe I might [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > non-cat lovers who notice something big deposited in the last five > minutes. Kitty does not bury. Yes, that is a problem, Oscar doesn't either, and for the first few minutes the smell is intense. Used to be, her litterbox was in the basement and it wasn't a problem. Now the basement door is shut (we may eventually change that policy after extensive catproofing of the crawlspace), Oscar's litterbox is in DH's bathroom* upstairs. It does encourage us to clean it more often, and the throne makes a handy perch, much easier than cleaning up without a seat nearby. We turn on the bathroom fan when she's just gone, which helps somewhat. When we have guests over, there's a downstairs bathroom, and that's where guests stay overnight, too, so really no one but us will ever see the litter box.
It occurs to me we have a lot of bathrooms.
*) DH and I often are getting ready at the same time in the morning, so he eventually moved all his toiletries into the guest bathroom upstairs. It doesn't even occur to him to use the master bath for the most part; even if he gets up in the middle of the night, he uses the hallway bath! Kind of funny.
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Ted Davis - 06 Sep 2006 01:18 GMT >It occurs to me we have a lot of bathrooms. Well, I have a large bedroom, a living room, a small computer room, a kitchen, a recently added mud room, and two baths (the one off the bedroom has a shower, but no tub). All this for one person. I don't think the hot water system could handle two showers at the same time though. The hall bathroom has a set of linen shelves, the lowest of which is high enough to put a litter pan under, but since I built the mud room, I have a pan there only when I have a cat confined to the bathroom, as in preparation for a trip to the vet.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Sep 2006 04:05 GMT >>It occurs to me we have a lot of bathrooms. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I built the mud room, I have a pan there only when I have a cat > confined to the bathroom, as in preparation for a trip to the vet. But you have lots of cats to occupy all that space!
Our space allows us to be lazy about picking things up and deciding among things we want to have, which I think in many ways may not be entirely to the good.
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Ted Davis - 07 Sep 2006 02:34 GMT >>>It occurs to me we have a lot of bathrooms. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >But you have lots of cats to occupy all that space! All what space? My home is 24 feet wide by 45 feet long - that's 72 square feet (6.7 square meters) per cat. Fortunately there are outbuildings they can get in and under, a huge yard, and much brush and tree areas.
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Cheryl - 06 Sep 2006 02:41 GMT > *) DH and I often are getting ready at the same time in the > morning, so he eventually moved all his toiletries into the > guest bathroom upstairs. It doesn't even occur to him to use > the master bath for the most part; even if he gets up in the > middle of the night, he uses the hallway bath! Kind of funny. I bought my house from my brother and his wife, and they have 3 daughters. This house has only two bathrooms, so I have no idea how they did it for 15 years!
My brother's bathroom was the downstairs one. I am not at all surprised that just 6 months after buying the house, my first spring here, I noticed termite swarmers in "his" bathroom*. I can't imagine that they just found their way in after I bought the house, and I can't imagine how he never noticed little bugs with wings in his tub. *boggle*
*He's not very observant. LOL
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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Sep 2006 04:05 GMT > I bought my house from my brother and his wife, and they have 3 > daughters. This house has only two bathrooms, so I have no idea how > they did it for 15 years! Yeah, no kidding!
> My brother's bathroom was the downstairs one. I am not at all > surprised that just 6 months after buying the house, my first spring [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > *He's not very observant. LOL Eek. Well, *maybe* they weren't there yet. Does he wear glasses? Before my eye surgery, I could easily have missed something like that in the bathtub.
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Adrian A - 06 Sep 2006 10:27 GMT >>> I bought a 12kg bag of coarser clumping litter for the same price to >>> try on Monday. Completely cleaned the box out and filled it right [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Tweed So if they ask to use the toilet, say "only if you like cats". ;-)
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mlbriggs - 05 Sep 2006 20:18 GMT > Blimey. When I got KFC a box to use - having never had one before - I > naively thought that with one tiny 4lb cat using it, I might get away with [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed TuTu is a big cat and see goes 2-3 times a day and generally once at night. Has she been checked for diabetes? MLBN
Karen - 05 Sep 2006 20:21 GMT Well that is part of CRF as I know it. It's why, I believe, people often give fluids.
> Blimey. When I got KFC a box to use - having never had one before - I > naively thought that with one tiny 4lb cat using it, I might get away with [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed Christina Websell - 05 Sep 2006 20:41 GMT > Well that is part of CRF as I know it. It's why, I believe, people often > give fluids. The vet has said she's nowhere near needing fluids yet (Phew) Spoke to TED today.
Tweed
>> Blimey. When I got KFC a box to use - having never had one before - I >> naively thought that with one tiny 4lb cat using it, I might get away [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Tweed jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Sep 2006 21:13 GMT >> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >> whole box in less than 48 hours? >> If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It >> must be your life's work :-) > > Well that is part of CRF as I know it. That's what I was going to say. Isn't frequent and voluminous peeing one of the symptoms of CRF? I guess that's to be expected.
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Debbie Wilson - 05 Sep 2006 20:23 GMT > I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the > whole box in less than 48 hours? > If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It > must be your life's work :-) I wouldn't be worried - at least she is using it. Each one of my cats produces varying amounts of pee. Willow can pee for England, the two boys much more modest amounts. Cocoa is usually OK except if she gets cystitis (rarely) then it's tiny amounts and off to TED.
Willow could easily pee up a box in 48 hrs or less. If all my cats are in, there would be 2 boxes changed twice daily, to give you an idea. I hate the gravel-type litter. As you found, it turns into sticky clay when wet and quickly ruins a plastic litter tray, and is nasty to clean out. Pine pellets are OK but they track easily and will stain light-coloured floors. Mine are all happy with 'Yesterday's News', a recycled newspaper pellet litter, which doesn't track, doesn't smell and easily tips out of the box without sticking when cleaned up. I keep a small plastic dustbin (child's toy bin) next to the tray, with a bin liner in, which the used litter gets tipped into, and the tray given a quick wipe with kitchen roll and Trigene (cat-safe disinfectant) before refilling with about 4-5 mugfulls of the litter. This makes it quick and easy to change the tray and the lidded bin keeps the used litter from smelling until it is emptied.
A 10 kg bag of Yesterday's News will last me about 2 weeks (4 cats, 2 trays) under these circumstances, and it costs about £11 at my local shop.
May or may not be a useful comparison, anyway-
HTH
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Karen - 05 Sep 2006 20:49 GMT >Willow can pee for England ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Debbie Wilson - 05 Sep 2006 20:51 GMT > >Willow can pee for England > > ROTFLMAO!!!!!
:-))) Yep, if nothing else, we'd get a gold in that one. Deb.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Sep 2006 21:31 GMT > A 10 kg bag of Yesterday's News will last me about 2 weeks (4 cats, > 2 trays) under these circumstances, and it costs about £11 at my > local shop. Oscar refused to believe me when I told her that stuff was litter -- she chose to pee on my shirt instead!
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Christina Websell - 06 Sep 2006 16:32 GMT >> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >> whole box in less than 48 hours? >> If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It >> must be your life's work :-) > > I wouldn't be worried - at least she is using it. Well, mainly!
> Each one of my cats > produces varying amounts of pee. Willow can pee for England, the two > boys much more modest amounts. Cocoa is usually OK except if she gets > cystitis (rarely) then it's tiny amounts and off to TED. It's interesting that they vary. It's good to know as before Kitty's CRF they both insisted on using the great outdoors so I don't have a clue what's normal or not.
> Willow could easily pee up a box in 48 hrs or less. If all my cats are > in, there would be 2 boxes changed twice daily, to give you an idea. > I hate the gravel-type litter. As you found, it turns into sticky clay > when wet and quickly ruins a plastic litter tray, and is nasty to clean > out. I'm going to have to experiment a bit I suppose.
> Pine pellets are OK but they track easily and will stain > light-coloured floors. I don't want to use wood based litter anyway. My main winter heating is a woodburner and I bring in enough wood to last the evening (a surprising amount..) and store it near the fire on top of a couple of plastic sacks. It generates bark/sawdust and Kitty was peeing in this woodlitter last winter. I don't want her to learn that.
> Mine are all happy with 'Yesterday's News', a > recycled newspaper pellet litter, which doesn't track, doesn't smell and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > trays) under these circumstances, and it costs about £11 at my local > shop. I'm ambivalent about newspaper litter too! Sorry, you're trying to help and I keep saying it might not work! Kitty will also pee on a newspaper that I've just been reading if I put it down on the floor while I do something else. she soaked my TV mag when I went into the kitchen to make a cuppa, so newspaper is probably out too. Although I've heard of this brand, I've never seen it available around here.
> May or may not be a useful comparison, anyway- > > HTH It all helps, Deb. Thanks. I'd like to find a solution that suits us both (me and Kitty.) If this coarser clumping litter doesn't work, I might try the crystals I have seen in the supermarket.
Tweed
Dan M - 05 Sep 2006 21:02 GMT > I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the > whole box in less than 48 hours? > If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It > must be your life's work :-) We've got 6 cats in the house. We also have 7 litter boxes, and the kitties also use the back yard for their litter some of the time. Even so, I have to scoop the litter boxes at least once a day, sometimes twice. They seem to prefer two of the boxes specially; those boxes need to be scooped twice most days.
Christina Websell - 06 Sep 2006 17:35 GMT >> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >> whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They seem to prefer two of the boxes specially; those boxes need to be > scooped twice most days. Seems reasonable for 6 cats kept in a lot of the time, I suppose? What do you do with the used litter? I've wrapped what I have up to now and put it in the dustbin (garbage can) for unrecyclable waste but I'm not sure if this is okay or not here in UK. Is it in USA? I have a black wheelybin for unrecycs. I am not expected to fill it too much. I have a green bag to put my (washed) cans and plastic bottles in. I have a red bag for paper and cardboard. I have a small plastic box for glass bottles and jars. One week the men come and empty the black bin and the next week the rest. Woe betide you if your black bin is so full that the lid isn't shut. They refuse to empty it then! That means another fortnight before your black bin is emptied so you must find a way of getting rid of some of what is inside otherwise it will be a month old. Ewwww.
It doesn't apply to me, really. Before I had the job I have now I worked for an environmental charity. All I was taught there still remains in my mind. Turn off unnecessary lights! Recycle, recycle, recycle. Save water. Stop using disposable nappies. If you need a car use the smallest that will meet your needs. Etc. I have to put my black bin on the edge of the property to be emptied. My next door neighbour (whose bin was full) came and asked when the bins were out, if she could put some of her waste in my bin. I asked why her own bin was already full as mine just had a tiny amount in the bottom of it.
Disposable nappies! I said, yes, on this one occasion, but as your child is now 3 and a half, either potty train him or use terry nappies and wash them. I explained about landfill use and disposable nappies. How much dn's contribute to landfill which we are pretty short of here in Britain. She said "But it's much more convenient for me to use a disposable nappy." That fell on deaf ears, then ;-)
I've been concerned for a little while about how this child never has a bedtime. He is up at 10.30 pm all the time and if a neighbour BBQ is in the offing, he's up until 2-3 a.m. I have stopped them putting his nappies in my bin. They need to tt him or use terry towelling. He is way too old to be in nappies, and no, he has no special needs. I am probably old fashioned. When I was a baby there were no disposable nappies. My mother had to wash out lots of towelling nappies every day, which probably explained why I was toilet trained on potty at 10 months old and never wet/soiled a nappy after that (according to my mother.) Seems unusual to me, but mom said "definitely." Can't argue with that.
Tweed
Dan M - 06 Sep 2006 18:07 GMT > Seems reasonable for 6 cats kept in a lot of the time, I suppose? What do > you do with the used litter? I've wrapped what I have up to now and put it > in the dustbin (garbage can) for unrecyclable waste but I'm not sure if this > is okay or not here in UK. Is it in USA? Yep. I bag it and toss it in the trashcan. I suppose if one used pine or paper litter it might be possible to compost the used litter, but I'm not sure about that.
Cheryl Perkins - 06 Sep 2006 18:57 GMT >> Seems reasonable for 6 cats kept in a lot of the time, I suppose? What do >> you do with the used litter? I've wrapped what I have up to now and put it >> in the dustbin (garbage can) for unrecyclable waste but I'm not sure if this >> is okay or not here in UK. Is it in USA?
> Yep. I bag it and toss it in the trashcan. I suppose if one used pine or > paper litter it might be possible to compost the used litter, but I'm not > sure about that. I put it in old grocery bags and throw it out. I've always been told that you can't compost anything with animal waste in it because of the possibility of transmitting disease (toxoplasmosis, maybe?) and attracting other animals although really, how does someone with an open compost pile know that local animals aren't depositing their waste in it anyway? Still, even when I'm dabbling in outdoors composting, I don't put my used kitty litter in it, although I use the old-fashioned (and cheap) clay type which is basically dirt anyway.
I've tried clumping litter, but I found it was tracked all over the place even more than the clay, and I prefered emptying and washing the entire tray regularly to scooping it out.
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Pat - 06 Sep 2006 19:57 GMT > I've tried clumping litter, but I found it was tracked all over the place > even more than the clay If you put a small rug near the box, so the cat has to walk across it first when leaving the box, this catches what would otherwise be falling from paws elsewhere. I just pick the little rug up and hold it above the litterbox and let the granules fall back into the box. Uncut (knobby) pile rugs work best for this.
Magic Mood Jeep© - 06 Sep 2006 19:00 GMT >>> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly >>> the whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > that. > Tweed I'm with you. These parents are *LAZY*, no ifs ands or buts about it (no pun intended... or is it?). It sickens me to see any child with the ability to walk still be in diapers (barring learning disabilities... but then again, if they can learn to walk, they can learn to flush). This child will probably still be in diapers when it starts school, and then be crying every day because the other kids torment him - and then the *other* parents and the school system will be blamed, because the lazy parents want no responsibility.
Christina Websell - 06 Sep 2006 20:16 GMT >> disposable >> nappies. How much dn's contribute to landfill which we are pretty [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ability to walk still be in diapers (barring learning disabilities... but > then again, if they can learn to walk, they can learn to flush). Well, not necessarily. Children will continue to poo and pee in their nappies long after they are able to be toilet trained if their parents can't be a**ed to teach them how to do it. That seems to be the case next door. I am keeping my eye on it. They know what my job is, I was unable to ignore my concerns and I mentioned it to them. Too bad if we fall out. I don't really care. The mother wants to keep the child young from what she has said. To enjoy him. Like a baby. This is not a baby. He is 3.
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> probably still be in diapers when it starts school, and then be crying > every day because the other kids torment him - and then the *other* > parents and the school system will be blamed, because the lazy parents > want no responsibility. Children are not allowed to start "ordinary" school here if they are still in nappies. By then, they are nearly 5. If they are not out of nappies by then they are considered to have special needs and have to go to a different "special" school. I was 4 at my first day of school. We were all singing hymns first thing when I desperately wanted to wee. I remember it well. I put my hand up. Teacher said "why are you putting your hand up/ put it down" So I did. I tried to sing again but I was absolutely bursting. I put my hand up again. Teacher said "what, you again? Put your hand down" I did. Then I peed all over the floor. I couldn't hold it any longer. I have never forgotten that. That an adult has so much control over a child is why I do the work I do now. Stepfather had a hand in it too.
Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Sep 2006 21:20 GMT >> I'm with you. These parents are *LAZY*, no ifs ands or buts about it (no >> pun intended... or is it?). It sickens me to see any child with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > be a**ed to teach them how to do it. That seems to be the case next door. > I am keeping my eye on it. Seems like a lot of people are awfully concerned with how others choose to raise their kids.
It's one thing to freak out because a kid's being hit or verbally abused; quite another to freak out because the kid is in diapers longer than someone other than the parent is appropriate, or because they stay up later than some other person thinks is appropriate.
I was going to ignore this whole subthread, but the idea that a parent would be reported to a child protection service because they have different parenting philosophies than whatever the current trend is makes me ill.
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Christina Websell - 06 Sep 2006 21:53 GMT >>> I'm with you. These parents are *LAZY*, no ifs ands or buts about it >>> (no [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > different parenting philosophies than whatever the current trend is > makes me ill. I guess you know all about it then, Monique. You have no children, yes? Then how can you say what or what is not appropriate? It sounds alarm bells to me. I have 17 years service in child protection and there is something about it I don't like. I haven't reported anything. Yet. I hope not to do so.
Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Sep 2006 22:44 GMT >> It's one thing to freak out because a kid's being hit or verbally >> abused; quite another to freak out because the kid is in diapers [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > protection and there is something about it I don't like. I haven't > reported anything. Yet. I hope not to do so. I know that I have friends who have kids still in their diapers at 2 and older, and it's not a big deal. I know that I have friends who find that some of their kids do best going to bed later than would typically be recommended, and they're fine. (As one friend pointed out, gee, everyone gets their kids to bed by 7 and then wonders why the kids won't sleep through the night!) I know that a lot of people feel that letting kids determine on their own when they're done with diapers is a lot healthier than forcing it on them, not to mention ending up with far fewer messes that need to be cleaned up. I know that for any child rearing expert that recommends something, there's another who vehemently opposes it. You were implying that a kid wearing diapers at 2 or 3 is at great risk to still be wearing them at 5. Right. Because toddlers don't change much at all in two years *snort*.
I don't have children, but unless you've been keeping remarkably quiet about it, neither do you. Having 17 years of seeing the worst that parents can do is not necessarily conducive to having a realistic view of parenting.
I don't doubt your concern for the welfare of children. I just completely disagree with the reasons you described for worrying about your neighbors' child. If you'd said, "They're always yelling at the child," "They hit the child," or, "I've noticed the parents like to torture small animals every Thursday," okay. But presumably clean, frequently changed diapers? Give me a break.
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Rhonda - 06 Sep 2006 19:03 GMT > Seems reasonable for 6 cats kept in a lot of the time, I suppose? What do > you do with the used litter? I've wrapped what I have up to now and put it > in the dustbin (garbage can) for unrecyclable waste but I'm not sure if this > is okay or not here in UK. Is it in USA? Some cities say not to put pet waste in the trash. I always wonder if anyone follows that?
We use Feline Pine, which I love because it covers the scent. The poo that is scooped out can be flushed. The rest of it, the wet saw dust, composts very nicely. We have a huge compost bin, actually 2 bins, and dump it in there. It doesn't take long to compost at all.
If we would have put the litter in the trash instead -- we'd have HEAVY trash. I feel a little more eco-friendly this way and we get good compost.
We used to use a recycled paper pellet (similar to Yesterday's News,) but it took forever to compost. Those little paper pellets were like bricks.
Rhonda
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Sep 2006 19:39 GMT > Some cities say not to put pet waste in the trash. I always wonder > if anyone follows that? I've been wondering about this too. I know that you're not supposed to put fecal matter in the trash (urine is typically not a problem however it's disposed), but I never see anything really making a point of this or suggesting alternatives.
A book I read in preparation for hiking, literally entitled "How to sh.t in the Woods", goes to great lengths describing how careful you need to be about not getting fecal matter into the local garbage systems, even in trace amounts, like diapers. But if this is such a big deal, I would think there would be laws or at least advisories.
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Rhonda - 07 Sep 2006 05:08 GMT >>Some cities say not to put pet waste in the trash. I always wonder >>if anyone follows that? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > however it's disposed), but I never see anything really making a point > of this or suggesting alternatives. I did some reading as more cats joined the household. There is bacteria in the poo that they worry about affecting kids and older people -- that's why they don't suggest putting it in compost. The two ways I read that is best to dispose it is either to flush it or bury it. Then there's also some worry about pet waste getting into the ground water... one article said flushing is best because the sewage is treated.
> A book I read in preparation for hiking, literally entitled "How to > sh.t in the Woods", goes to great lengths describing how careful you > need to be about not getting fecal matter into the local garbage > systems, even in trace amounts, like diapers. But if this is such a > big deal, I would think there would be laws or at least advisories. I would think so too.
Rhonda
kilikini - 07 Sep 2006 11:25 GMT > >>Some cities say not to put pet waste in the trash. I always wonder > >>if anyone follows that? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Rhonda You're not supposed to put it in the trash? Bury it? Where? How? With three cats, I remove a rather heavy grocery store plastic bag full of, um, "stuff", daily. I take it to my outside garbage bin and toss it. Our garbage men come every Mon. & Thurs. (oops, that's today!) and no one's ever told me not to toss used litter. Trust me, you can smell it in there, too, after it sits for 3 days, baking in the hot Florida sun.
kili
Jo Firey - 07 Sep 2006 17:14 GMT > You're not supposed to put it in the trash? Bury it? Where? How? With > three cats, I remove a rather heavy grocery store plastic bag full of, um, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kili Rules here are you do put animal waste in the dumpster. (The gray one).
We have a service that cleans up the dog poop in the back yard and they make it clear as part of their contract that what they collect will be put in a plastic bag and put in your trash as per local ordinances. They are not allowed to remove it from your property and dispose of it elsewhere.
Just so you don't put it in the green waste or the recyclables.
Jo
kilikini - 07 Sep 2006 20:03 GMT > > You're not supposed to put it in the trash? Bury it? Where? How? With > > three cats, I remove a rather heavy grocery store plastic bag full of, um, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jo Ah, okay. We don't recycle here where I am, so I'm doing alright. I was afraid it was incorrect to put the stuff in the trash can! Thanks.
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 07 Sep 2006 04:31 GMT >> Seems reasonable for 6 cats kept in a lot of the time, I suppose? What do >> you do with the used litter? I've wrapped what I have up to now and put it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >We used to use a recycled paper pellet (similar to Yesterday's News,) >but it took forever to compost. Those little paper pellets were like bricks. Ditto... well, kind of ditto. The litterbox is in the bathroom next to the toilet, and filled with Feline Pine. Every day I come along and rake it smooth and scoop the poop straight into the toilet bowl to flush away. The actual box gets changed once a week, and the litter gets tied up in a garbage bag and put in the skip. Feline Pine seems to be less messy than Yesterday's News and it definitely smells better!
Jo Firey - 05 Sep 2006 22:37 GMT > Blimey. When I got KFC a box to use - having never had one before - I > naively thought that with one tiny 4lb cat using it, I might get away with [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tweed When we are home both Jake and Molly have access to outside. Including a mammoth litter box (vacant lot with freshly turned dirt) across the street. I have to remember to check the litter box, as they don't use it often and they do cover. I use a good clumping litter and scoop a few times a week. I change it all out every two to four weeks depending.
When we leave them home, I leave two full clean litterboxes, several large bowls of dry food, and several sources of water. If we are gone three nights it looks like they have spent the time we were away having a contest to see who could eat drink and eliminate to most while we were gone.
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Pat - 06 Sep 2006 01:53 GMT > Blimey. When I got KFC a box to use - having never had one before - I > naively thought that with one tiny 4lb cat using it, I might get away with [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It > must be your life's work :-) Sorry, but... ROFL!!! I can not only picture it.... I *do* it, daily.... sigh....
A clowder of 7 keeps a slave quite busy, not just cleaning boxes (imagine doing what you're doing with one box, twice each day times five!....) but also hunting for ways to tighten the belt to accommodate the cost of the litter.
I recommend using woodstove pellets. It's the cheapest thing I found so far. It's like Feline Pine only cheaper. A large sack of FP (or the equivalent of stove pellets) lasts at least a month even with 7 cats peeing in it daily.
Pat - 06 Sep 2006 02:08 GMT > A large sack of FP (or the equivalent of stove pellets) lasts at least a > month even with 7 cats peeing in it daily. A few things I neglected to mention (and now having read the other replies):
(1) pine pellets don't stick to the plastic;
(2) you don't scoop out the peed-up spots in pellets, you just lift out the poopies and leave the pee;
(3) if KFC doesn't like pellets you can mix clay + corncob litter 50/50 and it will make the clumps less sticky;
(4) you can often get really cheap and not too coarse or fine clay litter sold in auto parts stores, for sopping up oil spills off concrete.
I only use pellets in two of the 5 oversized boxes here, because some of the owners like having the other kind available. I rarely find any poop in the pellets. They like to use it to pee. And it never stinks until it's ready to toss anyway.
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Christina Websell - 06 Sep 2006 20:28 GMT > Sorry, but... ROFL!!! I can not only picture it.... I *do* it, daily.... > sigh.... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > equivalent of stove pellets) lasts at least a month even with 7 cats > peeing in it daily. Wood pellets would be the very last choice as I have a woodburner and Kitty was peeing on the wood debris next to the fire. I don't want her to pee on wood in any of its forms.
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Pat - 06 Sep 2006 20:39 GMT > Wood pellets would be the very last choice as I have a woodburner and > Kitty was peeing on the wood debris next to the fire. I don't want her to > pee on wood in any of its forms. If you're concerned that she will go back to using the wood debris, why not make a box for the wood, and keep it in there. Debris will then only collect in the wood box, instead of on the floor.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 07 Sep 2006 04:34 GMT >> Sorry, but... ROFL!!! I can not only picture it.... I *do* it, daily.... >> sigh.... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >was peeing on the wood debris next to the fire. I don't want her to pee on >wood in any of its forms. I don't know about KFC, but our cats have no difficulty in telling the difference between sawdust in the litterbox (to be peed on) and sawdush that's been scratched out (to be ignored). It's not just the litter, it's where the litter is and how it's contained that makes it a bathroom...
Cheryl Perkins - 07 Sep 2006 11:44 GMT > I don't know about KFC, but our cats have no difficulty in telling the > difference between sawdust in the litterbox (to be peed on) and > sawdush that's been scratched out (to be ignored). It's not just the > litter, it's where the litter is and how it's contained that makes it > a bathroom... I once put some leftover unused litter in an old plastic bucket - a very small one, actually a former dishwasher detergent container; there's no way anything but the tiniest kitten could have actually stood in it. I found a neat pyramid of litter piled next to the bucket (with a proper, recently cleaned litter box about a foot away!), and I put a cover on the bucket.
In my experience, cats usually take elimination extremely seriously, but the results of their efforts are often a little off from the human point of view - like when they have four paws in the tray, and their backside hanging over the edge, or dig to China, scattering litter hither and yon rather than piling it up neatly, or carefully pile litter up on the carpet instead of in their box.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Sep 2006 06:26 GMT > In my experience, cats usually take elimination extremely seriously, > but the results of their efforts are often a little off from the > human point of view - like when they have four paws in the tray, and > their backside hanging over the edge, or dig to China, scattering > litter hither and yon rather than piling it up neatly, or carefully > pile litter up on the carpet instead of in their box. Oscar's litterbox is currently in DH's bathroom, close to the tub. She diligently paws at the wall of the tub as if somehow that will help anything. If the humans want the poo covered, we have to do so ourselves!
I did notice that when she had the runs from her antibiotics, she developed much more accurate habits. She would carefully dig a hole into the litter, poop into it exactly, and then cover it.
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The problem was that the material was so runny that in trying to cover it completely, she'd often get it on her paws. And it apparently smelled weird to her, because she would sniff at it, and because she was wearing the e-collar, she would get the stuff on the rim of her collar. Particularly fun when she did this while I was at work, and so the poor girl had that in front of her nose all day, not to mention getting it into her food dish, the carpet, etc ...
I felt so awful for her (and for myself, too!). I'm not sure there's any condition she could have where giving her this stuff makes any sense, because it makes her so ill.
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meeee - 10 Sep 2006 21:54 GMT >> In my experience, cats usually take elimination extremely seriously, >> but the results of their efforts are often a little off from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > developed much more accurate habits. She would carefully dig a hole > into the litter, poop into it exactly, and then cover it. Most of mine are ok; the usual litter scattering. But Cougar (siamese) is absolutely hopeless. She digs for about half an hour, refuses to cover up, and pees over the edge of the box. Is it just me, or do cats who have lived outdoors ie. feral like Jasmine, have better toilet habits than indoor raised cats??
tension_on_the_wire - 11 Sep 2006 04:44 GMT > >> In my experience, cats usually take elimination extremely seriously, > >> but the results of their efforts are often a little off from the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > outdoors ie. feral like Jasmine, have better toilet habits than indoor > raised cats?? I don't think it is a matter of feral or indoor, as I have had the same problem with a feral cat who did eventually come in. The funny thing was that my, then, totally indoor cat learned that habit of standing in the box like a diva, and peeing over the edge. I learned a few things from it:
1. If the box is against a wall, it does make it difficult for kitty to put front paws and hang front end out of the box so that he can aim his hind end better. Ideally, though very difficult in most situations, is to have no walls abut the box (sorry bout pun). Even if you pull it out by two or three inches, it makes a big difference.
2. I clean my boxes twice a day. I have three boxes and two cats. The cat who learned how to pee over the edge is one of them, and is extremely picky about using a box that has been previously peed in, including by herself, and rather than dig and risk the chance of getting her precious paws contaminated, she'll just walk over to some part of the litter that looks okay and try for it, hence the accidents. If the box is totally clean, she never misses.
3. Plus, I clean my boxes twice a day because one of our cats is a new kitten and they are the only ones that get primary toxoplasmosis, usually, since most adult cats are already carriers. Toxoplasmosis is transmitted by the feces, but only by feces which are more than 48 hrs old, when the larvae become active, or the eggs hatch or some such. So since I want neither the new kitten nor our 5 yr. old child exposed, I rigorously clean the boxes twice a day.
3a. Also, for those who have had babies, do you remember how much they peed? How many nappies? Kittens are no different. Little wee peelets all over the box numerous times a day are somewhat off-putting to Luthien the Diva.
4. One of our boxes is outside, and Luthien the Elder is very happy about that, as it is a new development. She hates digging in the clay soil, and now the backyard is clean as a whistle. Mind you this is California and no rain until rainy season, at which time neither the cat nor the box will be outside.
5. For the inside, we got a Booda box.....those Igloos with the hood and the tunnel. I never thought Madame Luthien would stoop, but she does. She still pees on the wall inside, but at least it doesn't go anywhere else except into the crack between bottom and top, which problem I fixed by lining the whole edge with baby wipes which catch the pee and prevent it from running down the outside of the box, and help seal the crack better to begin with. The lid is off right now to give wee one a chance to learn, but it is going back on next week, as I had already happily forgotten about having to vacuum/hoover (US/UK) that carpet ten times a day for spilled and flung litter. And little Glorio is a most enthusiastic digger and flinger! Only eight weeks old but I swear he acts like he's pushing a little Toy Tonka truck around in there!! What a boycat!
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meeee - 11 Sep 2006 05:13 GMT >> >> In my experience, cats usually take elimination extremely seriously, >> >> but the results of their efforts are often a little off from the [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > --tension Thanks for those tips....I do put mine against the wall so moving it might help. And mine are all looking to be enthusiastic diggers. Hmmmm....a lidded box you say?
tension_on_the_wire - 12 Sep 2006 03:26 GMT > > 5. For the inside, we got a Booda box.....those Igloos with the hood > > and the tunnel. I never thought Madame Luthien would stoop, but she [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > help. And mine are all looking to be enthusiastic diggers. Hmmmm....a lidded > box you say? Yes, I saw them come out in the last few years and never looked twice as I figured Madame Luthien the Choosy would never consent, but when I had to bring her inside for a year, due to ill-health, the whole litter box-in-the-house issue became, shall we say, pungent once again, most especially for poor spouse who is, as I mentioned in another post, most definitely *NOT* a cat person. And most of the house is broadloom carpet. Off-white, before you ask. I got sick of picking litter off the bottom of my feet everytime I walked through the bathroom, the only linoleum floor in the house, and eventually went for it.
It is a large, perhaps two foot diameter, almost a complete circle, or globe, I suppose, when you put the lid on. The lid almost completely seals the box, except for one little portion where it has been extended into a little tunnel-like affair in such a way that flinging litter, at worst, can only be flung into the tunnel, but not outside the Igloo. And yes, if it were white (ours is grey), it would actually look like an Igloo from a distance. The main problem is the leak at the crack, which we fixed with wet-wipes, and of course the tracking, but it is so much easier to contend with now, as all we need to do is put a little mat at the opening of the tunnel. There is no way, unlike from an uncovered box, that the cat can leap from box to far away spots, thereby sending litter to be found in future lives in the most unlikely places, like the little one was doing this morning until I finally huffed and puffed and put the lid back on. So far no complaints, though it is his first time with the lid. Luthien is quite phlegmatic about it all now.
They also have normal-shaped rectangular lidded boxes which are probably more space-efficient if you are in a tight spot, but they didn't seem to be as effective as this one. Let me see if I can Boodle you a picture (sorry bad Google pun)
http://www.pet-dog-cat-supply-store.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-1909-26 b569edc0136e2e26980afc1b690a79&ps_session=4565ef9812eb606d70c0ff106cfed3e7
I hope this link works. It shows several other varieties of lidded boxes.
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meeee - 12 Sep 2006 05:39 GMT "snip>
> They also have normal-shaped rectangular lidded boxes which are > probably more space-efficient if you are in a tight spot, but they [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ---tension wow I've never seen one like that; only smallish rectangular ones. I've had to resort to clay litter again (except for the kittens) as we have a small and poorly ventilated house and many cats. That doesn't solve the tossing problem; so the igloo idea looks great to me. The cats have their own room, so the space issue wouldn't be too bad. I'll have to try and track down one in Australia. Thanks!
Adrian A - 11 Sep 2006 09:53 GMT >>> In my experience, cats usually take elimination extremely seriously, >>> but the results of their efforts are often a little off from the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > me, or do cats who have lived outdoors ie. feral like Jasmine, have > better toilet habits than indoor raised cats?? Snoopy refuses to cover, I think she's proud of what she's done. Baggy will sometimes burry it for her, perhaps female cats see males as underlings. ;-)
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kilikini - 11 Sep 2006 10:24 GMT > Snoopy refuses to cover, I think she's proud of what she's done. Baggy will > sometimes burry it for her, perhaps female cats see males as underlings. ;-) > -- That's so funny because Tyrone never covers, and as such Chloe seems to be the "maid" around here. :~)
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William Hamblen - 06 Sep 2006 03:46 GMT > If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It > must be your life's work :-) I use the cheapest stuff I can find: unscented clay litter at less than two bucks a bag. I also use litter box liners. I sccop the box most days and change the litter weekly. There is only one cat. She goes outside when she wants if I'm there to open the door for her. This cat won't cover her stools either. The litter box is in the utility room.
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Marina - 06 Sep 2006 04:40 GMT > I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the > whole box in less than 48 hours? > If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It > must be your life's work :-) I scoop the two litterboxes twice a day. When you scoop that often, the 'deposists' don't build up - there's usually one clump of pee in each (or two clumps in one box and nothing in the other) + two poos once a day (usually in the morning). If Kitty is peeing a lot, it should mean that she is drinking a lot, and that should be good for her kidneys. When Frank started having kidney problems, he did drink a lot more than before.
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Jane - 06 Sep 2006 13:06 GMT > I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the > whole box in less than 48 hours? > If so, how do you who have a lot of cats cope with litterbox duties? It > must be your life's work :-) Yes, it can be perfectly normal. My sister's tiny little Topaz peed almost her weight every day. At least it seemed that way. She and her brother drank a lot, and peed a LOT. My Fin never was much of a drinker, and peed accordingly. Same with the Princess.
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Christina Websell - 07 Sep 2006 01:29 GMT >> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >> whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > brother drank a lot, and peed a LOT. My Fin never was much of a > drinker, and peed accordingly. Same with the Princess. Thanks for your advice. I value all the advice I've got about this. Kitty will challenge Debbie's Willow over peeing for England. Not that this is good. Ted says she can't concentrate her urine any more. A function of good working kidneys that we don't realise about. She is pretty good about using her litterbox now but I have to be careful about newspapers. She drinks quite a lot as is to be expected, she also has a touch of dementia so if she manages to go upstairs to use the box, which she mostly does WOW! She does very well for 20. Mostly she stays in now, her own choice. Boyfie will bring her her favourite food (if he can catch them) but he isn't such an expert as she was, yet. Maybe a collared dove only once or twice a week. Kitty falls on a collared dove like she was starving. Gimme the bird right now. Chomp. Somehow cat food doesn't have the same appeal for her.
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Jo Firey - 07 Sep 2006 01:59 GMT >>> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >>> whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > right now. Chomp. > Somehow cat food doesn't have the same appeal for her. If she is using the litter you have, I wouldn't take the chance of switching out types on her.
I'm sure eating the fresh doves makes her feel like a "real cat". And she may well be hungry. When our little poodle was on kidney food she was always hungry. Its pretty low on protein as I remember.
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mlbriggs - 07 Sep 2006 05:48 GMT >>> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >>> whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Tweed Years ago when Princess was alive, I gave her some raw liver (cut in small pieces) or kidney or heart. Her main food was Science Diet, but she did love the raw feedings. Have you tried anything like this? MLB
Christina Websell - 26 Oct 2006 23:41 GMT >>>> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >>>> whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > pieces) or kidney or heart. Her main food was Science Diet, but she did > love the raw feedings. Have you tried anything like this? MLB She isn't allowed to have this type of pure protein - although I suspect she would love it. Her kidneys wouldn't stand it now. She is doing quite well, but I have to be careful to keep any clothes/fabrics off the floor otherwise she's likely to pee on them. I am not going to tell her off for this at her advanced age and state of health, but how I wish I had not let my lovely quilted knitted blanket that my aunt made for me dangle over the arm of my chair on to the floor..
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Pat - 26 Oct 2006 23:48 GMT > but how I wish I had not let my lovely quilted knitted blanket that my > aunt made for me dangle over the arm of my chair on to the floor.. Nature's Miracle will restore your blanket.
mlbriggs - 27 Oct 2006 01:36 GMT >>>>> I need some advice. Is this normal? Can a tiny cat pee up nearly the >>>>> whole box in less than 48 hours? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Tweed Is it washable? MLB
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