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CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 00:45 GMT
I'd like to apologize to Cheryl for any (unintentional) hurt I may have
caused (I've already emailed her privately to apologize and ask her to come
back to the group).

I noticed that in some of the responses to Cheryl's note some others in the
group seemed to be agreeing with her about me (unless I'm being too
paranoid).  If I have given offense to anyone else, I'd like to apologize
for that also.  I think the is the nicest, kindest, most sensitive and
thoughtful group of people on earth and I would do anything to keep from
causing dissension here or hurting anyone's feelings.

If this is the case, please let me know either by posting to the group or
emailing me privately, and I will unsubscribe myself from the group - no
hard feelings.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Victor Martinez - 20 Oct 2004 01:26 GMT
> I noticed that in some of the responses to Cheryl's note some others in the
> group seemed to be agreeing with her about me (unless I'm being too

I think you're paranoid. Most folks who replied (including myself) said
there was nothing snippy about your post.

> If this is the case, please let me know either by posting to the group or
> emailing me privately, and I will unsubscribe myself from the group - no
> hard feelings.

Let's drop the drama and keep the cat stories going, ok? :)

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CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 02:17 GMT
> I think you're paranoid. Most folks who replied (including myself) said
> there was nothing snippy about your post.

OK, I accept that.  I've been been worked ragged at my job, I'm in a lot of
pain (either from the fibromyalgia, sore muscles, or - what I think is
probably the case - I have another kidney stone), so I'm feeling a bit
depressed myself.

I don't want to be overly dramatic and I honestly don't want people to rush
to ask me to stay, I just wanted to be sure I'm not causing problems for the
group - the absolute last thing I want to do.  So, OK, thanks for the honest
answer, Victor.

> Let's drop the drama and keep the cat stories going, ok? :)
>
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> Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov
> Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com

Oh, I can't be a drama queen any more!!??  ;>  LOL, again, thanks Victor.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Victor Martinez - 20 Oct 2004 03:12 GMT
> OK, I accept that.  I've been been worked ragged at my job, I'm in a lot of

You and I both! I'm so ready for a change of jobs... and my employer
just announced 1000 more layoffs this month! Rumour has it this Friday.
:(  In theory, my job is very safe, but you never know. Purrs to all
those who will no longer have a job.

> pain (either from the fibromyalgia, sore muscles, or - what I think is
> probably the case - I have another kidney stone), so I'm feeling a bit
> depressed myself.

Oh my goodness, I had no idea you were ill. Lots of healing purrs going
your way. Don't feel depressed (I know, easier said than done). Just
remember that you have lots of friends all over the world who are about
you. I hope you've sent Pam your snail address for the card exchange.
It's lots of fun! I promise to send some of Rufous' fur in the
envelope... :)

> I don't want to be overly dramatic and I honestly don't want people to rush
> to ask me to stay, I just wanted to be sure I'm not causing problems for the
> group - the absolute last thing I want to do.  So, OK, thanks for the honest
> answer, Victor.

In all the years I've been posting on this group (hmmm... at least 5
years, might be more) we've never asked anyone to leave and we always
beg folks to stay. :)

> Oh, I can't be a drama queen any more!!??  ;>  LOL, again, thanks Victor.

I'm glad you took it the way I meant it. The last thing I want is to add
to your problems!

*hugs*

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CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 18:54 GMT
>> OK, I accept that.  I've been been worked ragged at my job, I'm in a lot
>> of
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> theory, my job is very safe, but you never know. Purrs to all those who
> will no longer have a job.

Oh no!  We'll be sending purrs that you keep your job for as long as you
want it, and purrs to those who are laid off that they'll find a better job
soon.  The reason I don't complain too loudly is that right now any job is
better than no job!!

>> pain (either from the fibromyalgia, sore muscles, or - what I think is
>> probably the case - I have another kidney stone), so I'm feeling a bit
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> you. I hope you've sent Pam your snail address for the card exchange. It's
> lots of fun! I promise to send some of Rufous' fur in the envelope... :)

I absolutely hate, loathe, and despise people who get all weepy about minor
problems and yet have found myself going home in tears Friday, Monday and
Tuesday.  I think it's just a combination of frustration about my job, being
tired from working non-stop (no breaks even for lunch), and feeling lousy.
I started taking extra vitamins and gave myself a stern lecture, so
hopefully I'll start bucking up and quit whining.

>> I don't want to be overly dramatic and I honestly don't want people to
>> rush
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> years, might be more) we've never asked anyone to leave and we always beg
> folks to stay. :)

That's the only real thing that was bothering me - that I might have, even
inadvertently, caused someone to leave the group.  This group is about the
best support anyone could ask for and someone who is suffering a major loss
and depression *NEEDS* that kind of support, so Cheryl's leaving really
upset me.

>> Oh, I can't be a drama queen any more!!??  ;>  LOL, again, thanks Victor.
>
> I'm glad you took it the way I meant it. The last thing I want is to add
> to your problems!

Oh, I would much rather have honest and loving criticism than dishonest and
smarmy @$$ kissing any day of the week - I really do appreciate a needed
kick inthe keister.

> *hugs*

Hugs back atcha!

CatNipped
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Oct 2004 23:20 GMT
> I absolutely hate, loathe, and despise people who get all weepy
> about minor problems

Really? Why??

I don't like it when someone tries to manipulate me into listening to
their problems, no matter how minor, with no regard to whether I have the
time or interest. Is that what you mean by the above? Or do you just not
like people who are more emotive than yourself?

I think everyone has different thresholds of frustration, anger, and
stress level. And we all have different ways of venting it. Better to
be weepy and whiny than to be like *me*, which is to get cranky and
irritable. You don't want to be around me when I'm overstressed or haven't
had enough sleep. Luckily, I no longer get PMS, or I'd have included that,
too. There are advantages to aging. :)

> I started taking extra vitamins and gave myself a stern lecture, so
> hopefully I'll start bucking up and quit whining.

Our culture is way too focused on the whole "bucking up" thing, if you
ask me. We're soooo uptight about having feelings. Whine a little! Who's
it going to harm? You might even feel better. I think that as long as one
has respect for other people's time and limits, and asks others first if
they're up for listening to us whine (and we get the go-ahead), what's
the problem??

Joyce - aiming to be one of those long-lived, cranky old ladies. (Yes! It's
true! There have been studies: grumpy old people live longer than pleasant
ones.)
CatNipped - 21 Oct 2004 00:15 GMT
>  > I absolutely hate, loathe, and despise people who get all weepy
>  > about minor problems
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> time or interest. Is that what you mean by the above? Or do you just not
> like people who are more emotive than yourself?

You're right, after I wrote that I thought about how callous it sounded - I
*DO* like people who are more emotive than me.  This is rather something
that I don't like in *myself* when I do it.  I'm more like the male of the
species in that I like to immediately find a solution to a problem rather
than just talking about it (and especially rather than crying about it).

And I need to clarify what I mean by "minor problems".  I get impatient with
people who cry about breaking a fingernail when someone else is coping with
the loss of a job or a loved one.  And for me, after the things I've been
through in my life, anything less than total disaster is a minor problem.
When I find myself crying real tears just because my boss is being
insensitive, I get very impatient with myself (I think, mygawd, there are
children and animals out there being physically abused and here you are
sniffling about having your feelings hurt by someone you don't even care
about - that sort of thing!).

> I think everyone has different thresholds of frustration, anger, and
> stress level. And we all have different ways of venting it. Better to
> be weepy and whiny than to be like *me*, which is to get cranky and
> irritable. You don't want to be around me when I'm overstressed or haven't
> had enough sleep. Luckily, I no longer get PMS, or I'd have included that,
> too. There are advantages to aging. :)

Yeah, I can't blame it on PMS either!  ;>

>  > I started taking extra vitamins and gave myself a stern lecture, so
>  > hopefully I'll start bucking up and quit whining.
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> they're up for listening to us whine (and we get the go-ahead), what's
> the problem??

No, that's the problem, I don't feel better, it just *lowers* my self esteem
(I don't know, maybe it was growing up with 2 older brothers and no sisters,
I got teased really badly whenever I cried about getting noogies!  ;>)

My whole philosophy on life can be summed up as "Bad things happen.  You can
either cry about them or laugh about them.  Neither reaction will change the
bad thing that happened, but laughing is so much more fun and your nose
won't get red."  So when I start crying about the little things in life I
feel like I'm letting myself down.

> Joyce - aiming to be one of those long-lived, cranky old ladies. (Yes! It's
> true! There have been studies: grumpy old people live longer than pleasant
> ones.)

ROTFLMAO!  How true, how true!!

Hugs,

CatNipped
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Oct 2004 02:21 GMT
> I'm more like the male of the
> species in that I like to immediately find a solution to a problem rather
> than just talking about it (and especially rather than crying about it).

In my circle of friends, we call that approach "MAS" - "male answer
syndrome". :) The irony is, it really doesn't matter what sex you are. I
know plenty of females who prefer that mode of dealing with problems.
But somehow, it has the reputation of being a male response, hence the
name.

I'm definitely an express-your-feelings type. I find it really helps a
lot when someone listens compassionately, without judging, blaming or
feeling sorry for me, and without trying to fix it or give advice (unless
I ask, which I sometimes do).

It's not that I want to be bogged down in bad feelings forever. But often
a productive venting session helps me get to the next stage.

> And for me, after the things I've been through in my life, anything
> less than total disaster is a minor problem. When I find myself crying
> real tears just because my boss is being insensitive, I get very
> impatient with myself

But maybe when you cry after your boss is insensitive, you're really still
crying about the bigger things. This is very true for me - if I overreact
to something small, that's usually a sign that something bigger is going
on for me, that I'm not conciously focusing on. Understanding that might
not make anything change - I'm still going to cry over little things sometimes.
But I know that it's because I'm more stressed than usual and so I'm more
easily upset. I guess I don't see that as a bad thing, or a sign of weakness,
etc. It's just how things are. Most people I know are like that, actually.

Maybe you're being a bit hard on yourself? I mean, who are you hurting by
crying, even if the reason for the tears seems silly? If you're going to
criticize yourself, have it be for something you did that hurt someone else.
You have a right to your feelings, no matter how "stupid" or "childish"
or "oversensitive" someone else (who isn't you and doesn't really have a
right to judge your feelings) might think they are.

> No, that's the problem, I don't feel better, it just *lowers* my self esteem
> (I don't know, maybe it was growing up with 2 older brothers and no sisters,
> I got teased really badly whenever I cried about getting noogies!  ;>)

Tell those two brothers to take a hike!! (I know, easier said than done.)

> My whole philosophy on life can be summed up as "Bad things happen.  You can
> either cry about them or laugh about them.  Neither reaction will change the
> bad thing that happened, but laughing is so much more fun and your nose
> won't get red."  So when I start crying about the little things in life I
> feel like I'm letting myself down.

I guess it depends on which response is the most helpful at the time.
Sometimes it's true, you might as well laugh about something painful. And
laughing does release tension, so it actually is a good stress reliever.
But there are times when there's nothing like a good cry, when you need it.
Even if the event that triggered the tears was completely trivial, chances
are that you have other stuff to cry over, too. If it's too embarrassing to
do in public, find a bathroom stall and bring a towel to muffle your sobs.
(I've done that sometimes.)

Well, that's my perspective, anyway. Maybe it won't help you, but I sure
hope you can be easier on yourself!

Joyce
Seanette Blaylock - 20 Oct 2004 17:01 GMT
"CatNipped" <CatNipped@ix.netcom.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Apology:

>> Let's drop the drama and keep the cat stories going, ok? :)
>Oh, I can't be a drama queen any more!!??  ;>  LOL, again, thanks Victor.

The turns are short, since there are so many people around here.
You'll get another shot at drama eventually. :-)

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bonbon - 20 Oct 2004 09:11 GMT
>Let's drop the drama and keep the cat stories going, ok? :)

Hey Victor!  Here's a cat story.......(this is a follow-up to the
first "Darla" story I posted a few years ago.  Didn't have internet at
the time of this incident, and have since moved into a new house - but
none the less, it's a true story.  

 "DARLA, YOU'VE BEEN A VERY VERY BUSY LITTLE GIRL"

I'm talking about my sweet faced little Darla........she did it again!

A couple of days ago, I was sitting right here chatting with my
neighbor Sandy, when our conversation was interrupted by some Blue
Jays outside.  Normally, the Jays just carry on, and on, and
on.....like when they're taunting a cat with a dangerous game of
"Catch Me If You Can".  However, it's easy to tell the difference in
sound between  "Catch Me If You Can"  and  "HELP! HELP! HELP!"  

Blue Jays are really lovely birds to look at, but no matter what
message they're conveying, it's not a pretty sound.

I jumped up, nearly knocking Sandy down, and in a mad dash through the
house towards the back door, I shouted to her over my shoulder "One of
the cats caught a bird".  I think Sandy was even more charged up than
I was, because she almost beat me to the door.

Sure enough, over the 7' high wooden fence and across the yard toward
the house, comes my sweet Darla with a large Blue Jay in her mouth,
going just as fast as her little feet could carry her.  She had to.
There were four other screeching Jays relentlessly dive bombing her,
as "pay back" I suppose, for taking out one of their crew.

I stepped through the doorway, on to the patio in an effort to
intercept Darla, in hopes of saving the bird. You see, It's become
routine at my house, as Darla often brings live critters home so (I
assume) I can chase them too. However, I could tell with just a
glance, that this particular Blue Jay was, without a doubt, quite
dead.

Now, when Blue Jays declare war, everything that is not of the Blue
Jay persuasion is the enemy, and it was looking like these Jays viewed
me as an even easier target than Darla.  So, since Darla's  Jay was
dead, that left one option.....try to get myself and my cat, along
with her afternoon snack into the safety of the house.  I thought,
'I'll just clean up the mess when she's done.'

As I ducked and dodged the onslaught of the dead Jay's comrades, Sandy
watched from just inside the doorway with a look of disbelief on her
face, and it became clear to me that she hadn't reached 'Journeyman
Catpersonism'  status yet when she stuck her foot out to block Darla
from bringing her booty into the house.  Truthfully though, I rather
knew it all along.  Sandy has 3 cats (and a d*g) of her own, but I've
lived across the street from her for 6 years, she comes over daily,
and still doesn't know my cats' names.

I hollered "No.......let her in.  These Jays mean business ! ! !"  

Sandy looked at me like I'd suddenly gone crazy, but stepped aside,
and WOOSH  goes this blur of white and black, and yes, blue past Sandy
and into my living room.  I followed, and Sandy (reading my mind)
quickly shut the door.  Once Darla realized that she was safe, and had
successfully pulled the whole thing off, she (very pleased with
herself) began strutting about with her prize, which of course quickly
drew a feline audience.

I like birds.  I don't like it when one of the cats catches one, but
catching birds is what cats do.  Well, some cats.  I think all cats
want, and even pretend to catch birds, but It takes a pretty clever
kitty to actually take one down.  So, being the doting cat mama that I
am, I set in to praising Darla, telling her what a clever little girl
she is, and saying to the other cats "Look you guys, Darla caught a
BIRD" while being careful to keep my eyes averted from the poor
mangled Jay clutched firmly in her jaws.

Louie came yawning into the room at that point.  He'd been taking an
afternoon snooze, maybe even dreaming of an evening bike ride, and was
no doubt awakened by the big noise Darla was causing.  The second he
caught sight of her sporting that Jay, he became fully awake, and
thinking that bird would look much better in his mouth than Darla's,
made a quick but feeble attempt to blatantly steal that dead Jay.   So
far, all I've seen Louie bag, are a few moths and a couple of lizards,
one of which was actually someone else's catch, and had already been
played with to death.

I scolded Louie, and told him to leave Darla alone.  If he wants to be
told he's a mighty hunter, he'll have to do better than catching a
dead lizard, or stealing a dead Jay.  Not to mention .........
stealing it right in front of me.

Sandy must have had her fill of excitement, because twice she made
mention of 'drinking a cold one' at her house, both times also
commenting on how noisy those Jays outside were still being.  She gave
Darla some well-deserved praise, and went home.  

I went for the camera…...

......and my husband, bless his heart, cleaned up the mess when he got
home.                            

(if you would like to see the picture I took that day of Darla with
her snack, I'm going to post it to a.b.p.a.)

(f you liked this story and want to read the first one I wrote about
Darla, it's on Flippy's cat page http://www.flippyscatpage.com/ in the
main menu, under "Cat Tails".
Steve Touchstone - 20 Oct 2004 16:49 GMT
>Hey Victor!  Here's a cat story.......(this is a follow-up to the
>first "Darla" story I posted a few years ago.  Didn't have internet at
>the time of this incident, and have since moved into a new house - but
>none the less, it's a true story.  
>
>  "DARLA, YOU'VE BEEN A VERY VERY BUSY LITTLE GIRL"
<snip>
ROTFL
Great story. I have one mighty hunter, Rocky, one (Sammy) who sounds
like your Louie (catches bugs, but no lizards round here) and one (LB)
who is clueless. I think the only thing LB has ever caught is the
newspaper when I lay it on the floor. When Sammy first started chasing
grasshoppers, I watched her carry one over to LB, and LB ran when the
'hopper jumped.

I've told the story before about when Rocky pinned two blue jays to
the ground at the same time. Sammy doesn't know birds as prey,
thankfully, since she's known from birth that paying to much attention
to my cockatiels gets her in trouble.
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Annie Wxill - 21 Oct 2004 00:52 GMT
...>
> I've told the story before about when Rocky pinned two blue jays to
> the ground at the same time. Sammy doesn't know birds as prey,
> thankfully, since she's known from birth that paying to much attention
> to my cockatiels gets her in trouble.

When Cinder was younger and more foolish, she was watching as I enticed some
seagulls with some scraps of food. The gulls were circling and making lots
of noise and catching the food as I threw it into the air.  Some would swoop
down and take it from my hand. A few of them landed near me, I suppose,
hoping to get a handout with less effort.
Out of the corner of my eye, I saw Cinder pounce on the back of one of the
gulls.  The bird was about the same size as the cat and started screaming
and flapping its wings.  I thought it was going to take off with Cinder
onboard.
Fortunately, she was just a little too heavy.  The gull bounced around, with
Cinder riding, wide-eyed and obviously wondering what a predicament she was
in.  I'm sure it seemed longer to her and the gull, but it was only about 15
seconds or so before Cinder let go and slid off, and the gull took wing.
Cinder has never messed with the gulls after that.  I hope the gull learned
not to land near a cat.
Annie
Marina - 21 Oct 2004 04:42 GMT
> When Cinder was younger and more foolish, she was watching as I enticed some
> seagulls with some scraps of food. The gulls were circling and making lots
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> Cinder has never messed with the gulls after that.  I hope the gull learned
> not to land near a cat.

LOL! So glad no-one was hurt. What a great story. Cinder played rodeo
with a gull.

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Charleen Welton - 26 Oct 2004 15:27 GMT
> ...>
> > I've told the story before about when Rocky pinned two blue jays to
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>
> This story is soooo funny.  Well, prehaps not for the gull or Cinder but I
will be chuckling all day about it as well as sending it off to other "cat"
friends.

My crew are worrying about Nikki and Frank.  Do they have sea gulls on their
island?  Have they ever wanted to catch a sea gull?  Well, don't!

Charleen
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Marina - 26 Oct 2004 16:34 GMT
> My crew are worrying about Nikki and Frank.  Do they have sea gulls on their
> island?  Have they ever wanted to catch a sea gull?  Well, don't!

We do have lots of seagulls on the island. The cats mostly ignore them,
and they ignore the cats. The terns are much more fierce. My Granddad
was once pecked in the head by a tern. They are small, and I think
they're some of the most beautiful birds in the world, but they are
*fierce*.

I have a story about a gull in town, though. I used to live in a flat on
the fourth floor, and outside one of my windows was the roof of an
adjoining building. One day, a huge herring gull landed on the roof,
ambled about, and ended up by the window looking in. Frank used to sleep
on that window sill, and he was sleeping there now. Suddenly, something
woke him, he jumped up and stood staring at the gull. They had a long
staring match, literally eye to eye, with only the window panes between
them, before the gull decided to fly away.

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Annie Wxill - 27 Oct 2004 02:26 GMT
...>> This story is soooo funny.  Well, prehaps not for the gull or Cinder
but I
> will be chuckling all day about it as well as sending it off to other
> "cat"
> friends.
...> Charleen
> Mr. Pumpkin, Aggie Marble, Victor Velcro

Thank you.  I'm glad you liked it.

 I forgot the part about how after the gull flew off, Cinder proceeded to
sit and wash herself with the "I meant to do that" attitude.
Annie
Steve Touchstone - 28 Oct 2004 02:51 GMT
>...>> This story is soooo funny.  Well, prehaps not for the gull or Cinder
>but I
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>  I forgot the part about how after the gull flew off, Cinder proceeded to
>sit and wash herself with the "I meant to do that" attitude.

Sounds like the kind of ride where a rodeo cowboy would have been
scored high by the judges and thrown his hat into the crowd - and
cowboys only have to stay on for eight seconds.

On a side note:

I used to be a big rodeo fan. I never really cared for the bucking
events. Though, top bucking horses and bulls actually live pretty
pampered life. They're ridden a couple times a month and take it easy
the rest of the time. A top bucking horse or bull is big money, and if
ridden too often is ruined for rodeo work. Still, I usually rooted for
the horse or bull - the rider is the one who is usually hurt, if
anyone is.

I loved to watch roping and bulldogging events. The teamwork between
rider and well trained horse is beautiful to watch. Then I started
thinking how it must feel to be running full speed and being roped and
jerked to the ground by the rope, or have somebody jump off a horse
onto your neck and throw you to the ground. Again, the top rodeos
don't work the steers and calves often, but it still can't be fun for
them. Since they're not worth nearly as much as bucking stock, they
end up being used more often.

The only things I really enjoyed watching were the horses in the
roping and bulldogging events, the grand entry and barrel racing. On
TV, the camera usually focuses on the cowboy  in roping and bull
dogging, and usually skips the grand entry. So, IMHO, watching on TV
doesn't make much sense.
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Sherry - 28 Oct 2004 03:45 GMT
>I loved to watch roping and bulldogging events. The teamwork between
>rider and well trained horse is beautiful to watch. Then I started
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>dogging, and usually skips the grand entry. So, IMHO, watching on TV
>doesn't make much sense.

I hate rodeos. I especially hate calf roping. Those are baby calves, and they
they are crowded into trailers and shipped in extreme heat, and can legally be
withheld water for 24 hours. It's not unusual for them to have severe bruising
and even broken necks after a rodeo. Besides that, it always struck me wrong
that paramedics are *always* on site for the cowboys, but there's *never* a
mobile vet to treat an animal, or put it down. It just suffers until the stock
owner decides what they're going to do.
The only redeeming quality IMO about a rodeo is the barrell racing and watching
the grand entry. I can't bear to watch anything else.
Sherry
bonbon - 21 Oct 2004 05:29 GMT
>ROTFL
>Great story. I have one mighty hunter, Rocky, one (Sammy) who sounds
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>grasshoppers, I watched her carry one over to LB, and LB ran when the
>'hopper jumped.

LOL!  Yea, those newspapers are pretty sneaky.  

I love it when cats attack completely invisible things.  Hey, you
never know, that invisible thing might have just almost moved.

>I've told the story before about when Rocky pinned two blue jays to
>the ground at the same time. Sammy doesn't know birds as prey,
>thankfully, since she's known from birth that paying to much attention
>to my cockatiels gets her in trouble.

Rocky was rockin' and rollin' that day!

-bonbon
O J - 21 Oct 2004 13:00 GMT
>I love it when cats attack completely invisible things.  Hey, you
>never know, that invisible thing might have just almost moved.

Mine seem to have a good time when they just stare at an invisible
object on one of the walls or the ceiling.  The whole point of this
exercise appears to be getting the humans to look in the general
direction the cat is staring, hoping to see what the cat sees.

While you are staring at the spot, the cat will often slip away
unnoticed, no doubt to avoid angering the human by doing the feline
equivalent of laughing out loud.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
bonbon - 22 Oct 2004 15:02 GMT
>>I love it when cats attack completely invisible things.  Hey, you
>>never know, that invisible thing might have just almost moved.
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>Regards and Purrs,
>O J

Maybe your cats are 'putting you away' when they get you to stare at
an invisible spot on the wall?  Like.......

"Okay human cat, get over here.........yep! right HERE.  Now, stay
there, and don't move.  I'll be back in a while."

                                                        -the cat

-bonbon
Adrian - 22 Oct 2004 15:34 GMT
> I love it when cats attack completely invisible things.  Hey, you
> never know, that invisible thing might have just almost moved.

They're probably attacking greeblings, those are only invisible to
hoomins. Cats being a superior life form can see the purrfectly well.
;-)
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Yoj - 20 Oct 2004 05:55 GMT
I wasn't one of those who posted, but all those I saw defended you.  I
certainly didn't see anything offensive about your post.

--
Joy

"You can never do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it
will be too late." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

> I'd like to apologize to Cheryl for any (unintentional) hurt I may have
> caused (I've already emailed her privately to apologize and ask her to come
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>
> CatNipped
CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 19:10 GMT
>I wasn't one of those who posted, but all those I saw defended you.  I
> certainly didn't see anything offensive about your post.

I didn't think I was being offensive, but I can often be rather dense about
bulldozing over people's feelings without ever knowing I'm doing it.  I
thought this might be one of those times.  You can't ever be too careful in
written correspondence, things can take on a totally different meaning than
what you meant to say - even smileys don't help.  I've read that 90% of what
we communicate is communicated by tone of voice and body language - when you
lose that communication, the written word seems so inadequate!

Hugs,

CatNipped

> --
> Joy
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>>
>> CatNipped
Jo Firey - 20 Oct 2004 19:41 GMT
>>I wasn't one of those who posted, but all those I saw defended you.  I
>> certainly didn't see anything offensive about your post.
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>
> CatNipped

Don't be too hard on yourself.  I'm deaf and the written word is about all
I've got.  Sure its easier to missunderstand when you can't see someone you
are "talking" to.  But that isn't you.  Its just the nature of human
communication.

So please don't anyone leave.  I'd miss you too much.

Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Oct 2004 23:04 GMT
> You can't ever be too careful in
> written correspondence, things can take on a totally different meaning than
> what you meant to say - even smileys don't help.  I've read that 90% of what
> we communicate is communicated by tone of voice and body language - when you
> lose that communication, the written word seems so inadequate!

That's true. And don't forget cultural differences. People from cultures
other than your own might not even understand that you're being humorous,
or they might, but still won't get the joke because they have no reference
for it. The same caveat goes for interpreting the intent of other people's
written communications. What sounds like sarcasm or meanness might not be
at all, when filtered through the distortions of writing style, different
cultural perspectives, and the lack of in-person body language. It's best
to assume the best of others, and go from there. (Not that I always follow
this advice, mind you! :))

Joyce
bonbon - 20 Oct 2004 09:37 GMT
CatNipped - Paranoid??  No doubt it's that AWFUL boss of yours.  Does
s/he have any cats?  If not, we could fix that.

Cheryl - You can't quit.  I just got back here after a couple years
without internet, and I need to hear more about your Bonnie.  I loved
the post you made telling about her and her little squeaky mouse toys
(and the one that doesn't squeak) so much that I saved it into a
folder for my husband.  It made him smile when I read it to him.

-bonbon
CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 19:07 GMT
> CatNipped - Paranoid??  No doubt it's that AWFUL boss of yours.  Does
> s/he have any cats?  If not, we could fix that.

Nope, he is a spoiled brat rich kid and I would never do that to a perfectly
nice kitty!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Nan - 20 Oct 2004 15:22 GMT
>I'd like to apologize to Cheryl for any (unintentional) hurt I may have
>caused (I've already emailed her privately to apologize and ask her to come
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>
>CatNipped

Don't you dare drop out of the group just because someone in the group
had a chip on their shoulder.  I was not in rpca when Eric was killed,
but I sent Cheryl purrs and hugs when she posted that it was his
birthday or the date of his death.  

I sincerely doubt that there is anyone in this group or any other
group who has not lost a loved one, be it from an accident or natural
causes.  I, for one, lost my DH and best friend of 46 years suddenly
from a pulmonary thrombosis after a relatively minor surgery.

Yes, you do grieve when you've lost someone, but after a period of
time you have to get on with your life.  Most funeral homes have
support groups to help you through the grieving process.

Ok, it's time to get off the soapbox, and say again DON'T LEAVE THE
GROUP because of this!
--

Nan and the furkids

A wise man talks because he has something to say;
a fool talks because he has to say something.
CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 19:06 GMT
> Don't you dare drop out of the group just because someone in the group
> had a chip on their shoulder.  I was not in rpca when Eric was killed,
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> A wise man talks because he has something to say;
> a fool talks because he has to say something.

Thanks Nan - I guess I was just being a big ole drama queen (Victor had me
pegged to a tee ;>) but, as I explained to Victor I love this group so much
I would throw myself on a live grenade to save it!!  ;>

I haven't heard back from Cheryl, and indeed she may have kill-filed me if
she thought I was attacking her.  I only hope that others will be able to
get in touch with her and persuade her to come back to the group - it sounds
like she needs to be here if she is still in so much pain.

And yes, you're totally right in that we have all probably lost someone dear
to us - Tweed lost her Mum, Lois her son, I my Dad, and you your DH, so
Cheryl is not as alone in her loss as she may be feeling. I know of no
better support group than the people here who are all sensitive, kind, and
loving souls.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Annie Wxill - 21 Oct 2004 00:56 GMT
> Thanks Nan - I guess I was just being a big ole drama queen (Victor had me
> pegged to a tee ;>) but, as I explained to Victor I love this group so
> much I would throw myself on a live grenade to save it!!  ;>
...> CatNipped

Wow! That certainly sounds dramatic to me. (And very messy, too.)  I think
you need to stay away from grenades.
Annie (grinning)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Oct 2004 23:00 GMT
> Yes, you do grieve when you've lost someone, but after a period of
> time you have to get on with your life.  Most funeral homes have
> support groups to help you through the grieving process.

Grief takes as long as it takes, and it's different for each person.
Everyone has different past experiences, as well as different innate
temperaments, which may help or hinder us from healing from a current
tragedy. There's no right or wrong way of grieving, nor is there a
standard time for "moving on."

I'm terribly sorry about your having lost your husband. And I'm glad that
you've found a way to go on. I hope that can help you show compassion
for others who've lost people they love, rather than insisting that they
recover in the same way, and at the same rate of time, that you have.

Joyce
JBHajos - 20 Oct 2004 18:58 GMT
>, and I will unsubscribe myself from the group -

     Oh, but you can't DO that!!!!  How would we survive without
CatNipped stories??????

 Jeanne
CatNipped - 20 Oct 2004 19:17 GMT
>>, and I will unsubscribe myself from the group -
>
>      Oh, but you can't DO that!!!!  How would we survive without
> CatNipped stories??????
>
>  Jeanne

Oh my, now you've made me feel guilty about not posting a Sammy story in so
long.  ;>  I've been thinking about doing a "Cooking With Mommy" story about
what I go through when I have to do that culinary chore.  I promise to get
right to it this weekend!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Annie Wxill - 21 Oct 2004 00:58 GMT
...I've been thinking about doing a "Cooking With Mommy" story about
> what I go through when I have to do that culinary chore.  I promise to get
> right to it this weekend!
CatNipped

Great.  I love your Sammy stories. I'll be watching for it.
Annie
MacCandace - 22 Oct 2004 03:10 GMT
Hi, I don't really know you.  I never post to rpca and seldom read it just
because of lack of time.  I do, however, post regularly to rpchb and have done
so for over 5 years (I believe you post there sometimes, too).  Therefore, I
know nothing about the Cheryl incident but I had noticed that she hadn't posted
for awhile on rpchb and then I looked for her over here at rpca.  I emailed her
wondering how she is and what happened to her but I got no reply.  I feel so
sad but I guess I know part of the story now and wonder if I'll ever hear from
her.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Adrian - 21 Oct 2004 14:15 GMT
> I'd like to apologize to Cheryl for any (unintentional) hurt I may
> have caused (I've already emailed her privately to apologize and ask
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>
> CatNipped

I don't think you've given offense to anyone. I felt *very* sad when
Cheryl said she was unsubscribing. She must still be hurting so much at
the loss of Eric and nobody can take that pain away. Hopefully in future
she'll feel able to come back, I hope so. There is absolutely no reason
for you to go.
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