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UPDATE: KFC
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Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 18:07 GMT Kitty is home, I just fetched her.
The diagnosis is CRF :-( with a touch of senility thrown in. Her thyroid and liver are fine and she doesn't have a UTI. Her white cells were a bit raised so she has antibiotics for a week. I'm not looking forward to pilling her twice a day, that's for sure! TED has put her on a renal diet, I hope she eats it. I shut her in the bathroom with a dish of it and she's only eaten a bit although she has not been fed today as she had to have a fasting blood test. It looks really nice food, Royal Canin Renal in pouches, little pieces in gravy, smelled good enough to eat :-) She has twelve pouches to try, if she won't eat it I can take it back for a refund and try another flavour. If she won't eat the renal diet at all, TED says he would rather have her eat what she wants than go without food on hunger strike. She is still allowed to eat collared doves, which I am sure will be a great relief to her.
Tweed
Marina - 23 Aug 2006 18:23 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > hunger strike. She is still allowed to eat collared doves, which I am sure > will be a great relief to her. I'm so sorry about the diagnosis, Tweed. During their last years, when they were starting to show their age, Frank and Nikki got Waltham's renal food every second day (and fresh meat the rest of the time). The Waltham pouches are bits in gravy, as well. If KFC doesn't like the Royal Canin food, maybe she'd like the Waltham? If your vet carries it. F&N used to hoover it up. Anyways, purrs for Kitty to have many more good years with you, and purrs to you for the pillings. I don't envy you!
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Nanny - 23 Aug 2006 18:50 GMT Waltham was taken over by Royal Canin, so there's no choice anymore. I think Hills has a renal diet too.
Nanny
>> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > hoover it up. Anyways, purrs for Kitty to have many more good years with > you, and purrs to you for the pillings. I don't envy you! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 210 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog!
Rhonda - 23 Aug 2006 19:11 GMT Our CRF kitty liked Purina NF. I believe it came in wet or dry.
Rhonda
> Waltham was taken over by Royal Canin, so there's no choice anymore. I think > Hills has a renal diet too. Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 19:55 GMT >> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. <snip>
>> It looks really nice food, Royal Canin Renal in pouches, little pieces in >> gravy, smelled good enough to eat :-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > pouches are bits in gravy, as well. If KFC doesn't like the Royal Canin > food, maybe she'd like the Waltham? It's the same, I think; it has Waltham on the pouch as well as Royal Canin. Waltham is another trade name used by the giant pet food company Pedigree, makers of Whiskas, etc. They have their factory in Melton Mowbray, about 12 miles from where I live, and a research establishment a few miles from that near the small village of Waltham-on-the-Wolds, I guess that's where the name came from.
> F&N used to hoover it up. Maybe Kitty was still a bit too unsettled to eat at first. After she had used her litterbox and had a rest on the spare bed for an hour I put the dish under her nose "dinner in bed, madam..?" She scarfed it down. I always know when she particularly likes her meal because she purrs while she's eating it, and she purred. Boyfie came upstairs to enquire why the special treatment and what was she eating? He got firmly bopped :-)
> Anyways, purrs for Kitty to have many more good years with you, Thank you.
> and purrs to you for the pillings. I don't envy you! I'm rather dreading it. It will not be easy. If it proves impossible TED says she can have injections instead which would mean taking her back to the surgery every other day. I want to avoid that if I can, so I will try very hard to get those tablets inside her myself.
Tweed
Dan M - 23 Aug 2006 20:12 GMT > I'm rather dreading it. It will not be easy. If it proves impossible TED > says she can have injections instead which would mean taking her back to the > surgery every other day. I want to avoid that if I can, so I will try very > hard to get those tablets inside her myself. > > Tweed Would Pill Pockets work with KFC? (http://healthypetscom.stores.yahoo.net/pillpockets.html)
Dan
Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 20:28 GMT >> I'm rather dreading it. It will not be easy. If it proves impossible >> TED [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Would Pill Pockets work with KFC? > (http://healthypetscom.stores.yahoo.net/pillpockets.html) What a nice thought Dan, but by the time I could get some the need would be over. She has only a week's tablets, twice a day starting in the morning. I'll just have to get up early to get my armour on!
Tweed
polonca12000@yahoo.com - 23 Aug 2006 22:33 GMT <snip>
> Maybe Kitty was still a bit too unsettled to eat at first. After she had > used her litterbox and had a rest on the spare bed for an hour I put the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tweed I'm glad to hear she is eating. We are sending lots of purrs and best wishes that the special food and the pills help Kitty feel much better and that you will have lots of quality time together, Polonca and Soncek
Christina Websell - 25 Aug 2006 20:05 GMT > <snip> >> Maybe Kitty was still a bit too unsettled to eat at first. After she had [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > quality time together, > Polonca and Soncek Thank you, Polonca. She seems very well today.
Tweed
Marina - 24 Aug 2006 04:15 GMT >>> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that near the small village of Waltham-on-the-Wolds, I guess that's where > the name came from. Ah, too bad there isn't more of a choice.
> > F&N used to hoover it up. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > she's eating it, and she purred. Boyfie came upstairs to enquire why the > special treatment and what was she eating? He got firmly bopped :-) Hehe, glad to hear she likes the food after all. I hope BF will still bring her fresh meat to eat, though she wouldn't let him have her food.
>> Anyways, purrs for Kitty to have many more good years with you, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > surgery every other day. I want to avoid that if I can, so I will try very > hard to get those tablets inside her myself. I'll admit that is one thing I don't miss about Frank and Nikki - the pillings twice a day. How many years did I do that? Day in and day out. I can hardly believe I managed it now.
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Winnie - 24 Aug 2006 05:26 GMT > It's the same, I think; it has Waltham on the pouch as well as Royal Canin. > Waltham is another trade name used by the giant pet food company Pedigree, > makers of Whiskas, etc. They have their factory in Melton Mowbray, about > 12 miles from where I live, and a research establishment a few miles from > that near the small village of Waltham-on-the-Wolds, I guess that's where > the name came from. TED told me Royal Canin bought Waltham about 1 year or 2 ago. Rusty was eating Waltham's ph S/O for urinary blockage. They might have tinkered with the formula too as Rusty started having tummy problem about the ame time. He was on Waltham's S/O for a long time with no problem until he got R.C. Finally we swtiched to Hill's I/D before his tummy settled down.
Winnie
> > F&N used to hoover it up. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Tweed Adrian A - 23 Aug 2006 18:43 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed I'm sorry to hear the diagnosis, purrs that the diet helps her. If BF doesn't bring her collared doves, will you be catching them? ;-)
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Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 20:33 GMT >> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'm sorry to hear the diagnosis, purrs that the diet helps her. If BF > doesn't bring her collared doves, will you be catching them? ;-) Nope! That's Boyfie's job. I was rather expecting the diagnosis actually, sooner or later. It's unrealistic to expect a cat to get to this advanced age without something going seriously wrong.
Tweed
mlbriggs - 23 Aug 2006 18:50 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed We are glad to hear she will probably be alright. Regarding the doves: How big are they> Does she eat feathers too? What about the bones? Do the doves carry any diseases? Excuse the questions, but I'd really like to understand. There must be large flocks there if she gets one every day, Best wishes. MLB
Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 20:21 GMT ,>> If she won't eat the renal diet at all, TED
>> says he would rather have her eat what she wants than go without food on >> hunger strike. She is still allowed to eat collared doves, which I am [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We are glad to hear she will probably be alright. Regarding the doves: > How big are they Size = small pigeon.
> Does she eat feathers too? Yes.
> What about the bones? Yes, she eats the bones, the legs, the head and beak, the tail feathers, everything except the wings.
> Do the doves carry any diseases? Dunno ;-) not for much longer if Kitty eats them! Birds are a natural diet for cats. Kitty has very clean teeth (the vet remarked on them) no doubt due to chomping on bones, and no problem with constipation (feathers.)
> Excuse the questions, but I'd really > like to understand. No problem.
> There must be large flocks there if she gets one > every day. She doesn't get one every day. She would like to though! It all depends on Boyfriend's hunting skills now, whereas previously she used to catch her own. Sometimes he will get her one two days on the trot and other times he's not so lucky. She hasn't had one for about a week now. There are plenty of collared doves here. They are vulnerable because they cannot take off with enough lift in time to get them out of range of a cat that can jump to catch them. They breed all the year round here. 2 chicks every few weeks. Kitty eating them on a regular basis has made no difference whatsover to their population here. If you'd like to see some British birds, including collared doves, have a look here: http://www.overthegardengate.co.uk/wildlife/birdtable/archive/viewall.asp
Hope this helps.
Tweed
mlbriggs - 24 Aug 2006 00:30 GMT > ,>> If she won't eat the renal diet at all, TED >>> says he would rather have her eat what she wants than go without food on [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Tweed Thanks for sending the fascinating website. Those are really nice well fed looking birds. I have book marked the site for future use.
Sending purrs for KFC's comfort. When Princess was nearing her last days, she absolutely refused to be medicated. She fought so terribly, I decided not to do it. So best wishes for your efforts, MLB
Joy - 23 Aug 2006 19:28 GMT (((((((((Tweed and KFC))))))))))
Joy
> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 20:35 GMT > (((((((((Tweed and KFC)))))))))) Thanks, Joy. I intend to keep her comfortable for as long as is possible.
Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Aug 2006 19:35 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > The diagnosis is CRF :-( with a touch of senility thrown in. Oh, poor KFC! :( It's not bad for a cat to reach 20 before getting this, but it's still bad, if you know what I mean. I'm sorry she's not well.
If I may insert a bit of my own religion here: did your vet also recommend subcutaneous fluids? It's a *must-do* for cats with CRF. As you might have read in some of my previous posts, I once kept a cat alive and going strong for 5 years with CRF, by giving her regular subq fluids. She was diagnosed at age 16 and lived to 21. So just because KFC has been given this diagnosis, doesn't means she's about to die.
Also, even if she doesn't live a really long time (after this), the fluids really will help her feel better for as long as she is still living. It's kitty dialysis - it flushes out the toxins that their kidneys are no longer able to do so well. It's wonderful to see a cat perk up within a half hour or so of being given the fluids.
My mother's cat (also age 20) has CRF, and when I visited her for 2 weeks last winter, I administered his fluids. My mom wasn't doing such a good job of keeping up with that. :( She couldn't believe how much more energy he had after one treatment, and after a couple of times, he was up and about, and perky like she hadn't seen him in months. I was giving him 100 cc's once every 3 days. I sure hope my mom has continued on that schedule - he'll live longer and happier.
Licky waves hello to his girl, and hopes her new diet tastes good and helps her feel better!
Joyce
Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 20:43 GMT > > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > > The diagnosis is CRF :-( with a touch of senility thrown in. > > Oh, poor KFC! :( It's not bad for a cat to reach 20 before getting > this, but it's still bad, if you know what I mean. I'm sorry she's > not well. I know she (and I) am lucky that she has lived a long life up to now. I want to keep her a bit longer though.
> If I may insert a bit of my own religion here: did your vet also > recommend subcutaneous fluids? It's a *must-do* for cats with CRF. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So just because KFC has been given this diagnosis, doesn't means > she's about to die. TED discussed this with me too. She is not at the stage where she needs them yet but he said if she deteriorates (gave me a list of symptoms to look out for) then this is certainly something that is an option.
> Also, even if she doesn't live a really long time (after this), > the fluids really will help her feel better for as long as she is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > was giving him 100 cc's once every 3 days. I sure hope my mom has > continued on that schedule - he'll live longer and happier. I know it helps a lot of cats with CRF and I will consider it when the time comes that Kitty needs it.
> Licky waves hello to his girl, and hopes her new diet tastes good and > helps her feel better! Kitty waves back and sez it were better dan she first fort, she has etten it and she feels okay fangu my love
Tweed
> Joyce jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Aug 2006 21:45 GMT > I know it helps a lot of cats with CRF and I will consider it when the time > comes that Kitty needs it. Oh, it's good to hear she's not ill enough for that just yet.
>> Licky waves hello to his girl, and hopes her new diet tastes good and >> helps her feel better!
> Kitty waves back and sez it were better dan she first fort, she has etten it > and she feels okay fangu my love Yay! Glad to hear she likes it!
Joyce
Karen - 23 Aug 2006 19:45 GMT Well, she IS 20 or so, so she is actually doing very well. If you can keep her comfy that is the big thing. I bet the antibiotics will help a little at least. Did the vet say if you can crush them into food at all?
> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed Christina Websell - 23 Aug 2006 20:45 GMT > Well, she IS 20 or so, so she is actually doing very well. If you can keep > her comfy that is the big thing. I bet the antibiotics will help a little > at > least. Did the vet say if you can crush them into food at all? Yes, I can. However I have to make sure she is scarfing up the new renal diet happily and greedily before I dare put it in her food.
Tweed
Christina Websell - 25 Aug 2006 20:18 GMT > Well, she IS 20 or so, so she is actually doing very well. If you can keep > her comfy that is the big thing. I bet the antibiotics will help a little > at > least. Did the vet say if you can crush them into food at all? I am crushing them between two teaspoons into powder and putting them into a tbsp of the renal food as Winnie suggested and it's working great. She likes the renal food so much that she scarfs down that tbsp with the antibiotics in and asks for more. Thank you, Winnie. I might have sprinkled the antibiotic over the whole dish of food if you hadn't told me this great idea.
Tweed
Jo Firey - 25 Aug 2006 21:27 GMT >> Well, she IS 20 or so, so she is actually doing very well. If you can >> keep [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed So glad she is doing well with her food and with her pills. Neither of you need the added stress of her not behaving right now. Sam is taking his pills nicely. He sends her feel better purrs.
He seems to feel better already too, but I may just be hoping he does. He is much younger than KFC but has been living on borrowed time so we are happy with what we can get.
Jo
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 23 Aug 2006 19:48 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed Sorry to hear that, but Otis has been on pills for 2 years now. I crush it between 2 teaspoons and mix it in with a bit of his food, sort of like a "starter", then when he's eaten that, he gets the rest of his dinner, this way I know he's definately eaten the pill.
As regards special diets, I actually gave up on Otis as he wouldn't eat and it was becoming too difficult to get the pills down him, plus he has to have insulin, and after chatting to the vet we decided to keep him on Felix and actually he's doing well. But that wasn't my point. My vet suggested mixing just a little bit of special diet food with normal food for a while, so he gets used to it, then gradually adding more every week or so, so say 10% 1st week, 20% 2nd week etc until the switch has been made, as I say it didn't work with Otis but you may be more lucky!
Lots of luck
Marcia & Otis
Kreisleriana - 23 Aug 2006 22:28 GMT >Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Tweed Damn!! I was praying it wasn't CRF. :( Purring mightily that she takes to the diet.
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Christina Websell - 24 Aug 2006 01:29 GMT >>Kitty is home, I just fetched her. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Damn!! I was praying it wasn't CRF. :( Purring mightily that she > takes to the diet. I'd guessed that that would probably be the diagnosis. After more rest, she scarfed the diet food down. I had to stand over her so Boyfie didn't eat it. It's horribly expensive so I only want KFC to have it. I hope she continues to like it. I'm not taking it for granted that she will as she had not eaten for 36 hours previously. She hadn't been fed at all at TED's and when I took her in she hadn't had her evening meal.
At the moment she is meatloafing on the spare bed very quietly. No doubt meditating on her horrible ordeal. She is not very far from her litterbox and I have put a dish of water nearby, so she can live upstairs if she wants to. I'm trying not to worry too much. Not succeeding very well though.
Tweed
Will in New Haven - 24 Aug 2006 01:45 GMT > >>Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Tweed Of course you worry but there is some comfort in making her comfortable. Every happy comfortable, happy day is an eternity for a person who does not bind time the way only us foolish hoomans do. She is loved and comfortable. She has had a meal that she enjoyed and there is good clean water nearby. You are nearby. Boyf is nearby to bring her birds and irritate her enough to keep her interested. And time is not an issue for her. She will have the days she will have. Help her make them happy.
Will in New Haven
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Takayuki - 24 Aug 2006 03:09 GMT >I'd guessed that that would probably be the diagnosis. After more rest, she >scarfed the diet food down. I had to stand over her so Boyfie didn't eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >to. >I'm trying not to worry too much. Not succeeding very well though. Poor little girl.
badwilson - 24 Aug 2006 02:41 GMT I'm so sorry to hear the diagnosis is CRF, but hopefully it can be controlled with the diet and meds and she will have a few more good years with you. Hugs and purrs,
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> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed Takayuki - 24 Aug 2006 02:59 GMT >Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >forward to pilling her twice a day, that's for sure! >TED has put her on a renal diet, I hope she eats it. Purrs for tiny Kitty. Giving antibiotics to KFC sounds like it'll be a challenge. I hope her meds and new diet will help her condition.
Julie Cook - 24 Aug 2006 03:00 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed Purrs and gentle headbutts for KFC and you, too, Tweed. Hopefully she'll think the new food is the greatest treat she's ever tasted and eat well. We'll keep her in our purrs that she recovers quickly.
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Sam - 24 Aug 2006 03:59 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed I'm so sorry for the diagnosis, but I'm glad there are things you can do to keep her around. Many purrs and prayers that you'll be successful in that effort.
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Helen Miles - 24 Aug 2006 12:42 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > > The diagnosis is CRF :-( with a touch of senility thrown in./// I'm so very sorry to hear this. :o(
CRF cats can have a good quality of life for a long time. My cat, Daisy (RB) did.
Purrs for the little lass to feel better soon.
Helen M
JBHajos - 24 Aug 2006 17:06 GMT >Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > >The diagnosis is CRF :-( I'm so sorry to hear this. I understand full well how upset you are. Here's hoping her treatment works and she has a long time left with you.
Would you believe our Speckles is still living? She was "supposed" to have gone to RB by now but nobody told *her* that. Despite a couple of setbacks, she's still hanging in there. Vet told us yesterday there's nothing left but palliative care and has strongly recommended euthanasia. But when I see her each morning perky, with a good appetite, still active, and bright-eyed, it just doesn't seem time. Here's hoping KFC is just as tough and holds on for a good long while.
Hugs -
Jeanne
Helen Wheels - 24 Aug 2006 23:47 GMT > Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed Purrs for little KFC. May she be happy and well for a long time.
Susan M - 25 Aug 2006 19:16 GMT I'm back from holidays today to read about KFC. I'm glad that you've got a diagnosis and that she likes her food okay. I wish you the best of luck with all the pilling - I know how hard that is. Purrs on the way for KFC to take the pills and continue to feel better.
Susan M Otis and Chester
> Kitty is home, I just fetched her. > > The diagnosis is CRF :-( with a touch of senility thrown in. > Her thyroid and liver are fine and she doesn't have a UTI. Her white > cells were a bit raised so she has antibiotics for a week. I'm not > looking forward to pilling her twice a day, that's for sure!
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