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http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 This article is all about a pack of killer raccoons in Olympia, WA. They're killing innocent cats. I thought this might be important for anyone living in that area or anyone with an outdoor cat in an area with raccoons. We must keep our furry babies safe from evil racoons! > http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 > > This article is all about a pack of killer raccoons in Olympia, WA. > They're killing innocent cats. I thought this might be important for > anyone living in that area or anyone with an outdoor cat in an area > with raccoons. We must keep our furry babies safe from evil racoons! I am not doubting this story but it IS bizarre. I can remember two raccoons sitting on my friend's porch in the evening, peacefully sharing several bowls of cat chow with his outdoor cats. One night, the smaller raccoon must have been making a pig of himself because Bruce's little tomcat, Snapper, chased him clean off the porch. The next night, though, they were all eating together again. My dog BD got into it with a raccoon once but I don't think that the raccoon started up with a ninety pound Malemute. The raccoon got away and BD got a trip to the vet, who pronounced him unharmed. I love raccoons but I wouldn't accept any aniimal being a threat to my gang and I don't expect other people to tolerate it either. If it takes killing all the area raccoons, so be it. \ Will in New Haven -- "I don't want much: a loaf of bread, a jug of wine, a box of ammo and a browser that doesn't suck". Chuck Bridgeland, chuckbri at computerdyn dot com >>http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > raccoons sitting on my friend's porch in the evening, peacefully > sharing several bowls of cat chow with his outdoor cats. Yeah, I've always heard that cats and raccoons coexist just fine. (Although they seem partial to cat food, so if you feed your cats outdoors, you have to allow for the raccoons free-loading.) Also, 'coons aren't usually agressive, are they? I wonder if those in the article could be rabid? > >>http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > free-loading.) Also, 'coons aren't usually agressive, are > they? I wonder if those in the article could be rabid? I doubt it. Rabid animals don't act like that. This looks like normal prey-taking, except, for raccoons that it is prey that they never take or almost never take. I would hazard a guess that one raccoon or a small family group discovered that cats could be taken and eaten. Once the news was out the problem would spread. Raccoons are smart enough and social enough that they would learn from one another. This population of raccoons might need exterminating. Teaching them not to attack cats might, however, not be impossible. If someone in the neighborhood bought an ocelot or a bobcat... Will in New Haven > > http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Will in New Haven It is insane to feed wild animals! http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 >>> This article is all about a pack of killer raccoons in Olympia, WA. >>> They're killing innocent cats. I thought this might be important [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > It is insane to feed wild animals! That's a sweeping statement.  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 > >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > That's a sweeping statement. And shown to be true in case after case! wolfbat3...@mindspring.com wrote: > > http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 > > >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > -- > And shown to be true in case after case! If it is untrue in one case then the "always" part is untrue. Somebody fed a wolf or some wolves once and Bear and I are happy that she (probably she) did. Will in New Haven > wolfbat3...@mindspring.com wrote: > > > >>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Will in New Haven If near a home, then the wolf (wolves) may come back for more - Not a good idea! wolfbat3...@mindspring.com wrote: > > wolfbat3...@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > If near a home, then the wolf (wolves) may come back for more - Not a > good idea! But it was once, at least once. I don't say we need to domesticate any more species but that is how it was done. And I don't repent it. Will in New Haven >> If it is untrue in one case then the "always" part is untrue. Somebody >> fed a wolf or some wolves once and Bear and I are happy that she >> (probably she) did. > If near a home, then the wolf (wolves) may come back for more - Not a > good idea! I think Will was referring to events that happened a long, long, LONG time ago. :) Joyce > >> If it is untrue in one case then the "always" part is untrue. Somebody > >> fed a wolf or some wolves once and Bear and I are happy that she [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I think Will was referring to events that happened a long, long, LONG >time ago. :) Yes, all of our domesticated species started out as wild creatures, long ago. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>>>If it is untrue in one case then the "always" part is untrue. Somebody >>>>fed a wolf or some wolves once and Bear and I are happy that she [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes, all of our domesticated species started out as wild creatures, > long ago. Cats a few thousand years more recently than dogs, which is probably why they haven't yet been brainwashed into accepting humans as superior beings! >>>>> If it is untrue in one case then the "always" part is untrue. >>>>> Somebody fed a wolf or some wolves once and Bear and I are happy [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > probably why they haven't yet been brainwashed into > accepting humans as superior beings! Snoopy says it's ridiculous to even suggest humans could be superior beings. ;-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > >>>>> If it is untrue in one case then the "always" part is untrue. > >>>>> Somebody fed a wolf or some wolves once and Bear and I are happy [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ;-) > -- Yep = Smart people feeding Bears have done them a favor = Not!" http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/NEWS01/608190344/1002 headline: Bear hunt planned in subdivision riles man By KEVIN DUGGAN KevinDuggan@coloradoan.com Plans to allow a bear hunt this fall in privately owned greenbelts around the Crystal Lakes subdivision has a local resident up in arms. Tom Dondelinger, who owns a cabin in the mountain community about 50 miles northwest of Fort Collins, said he's worried the hunt would needlessly kill bears and put residents in danger. "The bottom line is I just don't see the need at this time," Dondelinger said. "People say there are too many bears up there, but I don't see the problem. We have not had a lot of (bear) break-ins this year." But bears living in the area have become used to getting food from human-related sources, such as birdfeeders and trash, said Jim Tiffin, a year-round resident and member of the community's Bear Aware Team, dedicated to educating property owners about bears. The animals have become "habituated" to people and unafraid, which makes them dangerous as well as destructive, Tiffin said ... (cont) > Yep = Smart people feeding Bears have done them a favor = Not!" > > http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/NEWS01/608190344/1002 Oh get off your soap-box, idiot! (You're preaching to the already converted, here.) FYI, since you apparently didn't realize it, "Bear" is the name of one Will's companion animals - species neither wolf nor bear. > > Yep = Smart people feeding Bears have done them a favor = Not!" > > > > http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/NEWS01/608190344/1002 > > Oh get off your soap-box, idiot! (You're preaching to the > already converted, here.) Apparently not to some! FYI, since you apparently didn't > realize it, "Bear" is the name of one Will's companion > animals - species neither wolf nor bear. I was using an example! >>>Yep = Smart people feeding Bears have done them a favor = Not!" >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I was using an example! That doesn't make you any less an idiot! (P-L-O-N-K!) >> Yep = Smart people feeding Bears have done them a favor = Not!" http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/NEWS01/608190344/1002 > Oh get off your soap-box, idiot! (You're preaching to the > already converted, here.) FYI, since you apparently didn't > realize it, "Bear" is the name of one Will's companion > animals - species neither wolf nor bear. I believe you're feeding a troll, who I've already killfiled. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > >> Yep = Smart people feeding Bears have done them a favor = Not!" > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I believe you're feeding a troll, who I've already killfiled. \ Yep that is the way to go when you can't argue with a person! >> Yes, all of our domesticated species started out as wild creatures, >> long ago. > Cats a few thousand years more recently than dogs, which is > probably why they haven't yet been brainwashed into > accepting humans as superior beings! Well, that and a species psychology that's not about pleasing the alpha of the pack. Joyce > >> Yes, all of our domesticated species started out as wild creatures, > >> long ago. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Well, that and a species psychology that's not about pleasing the alpha > of the pack. I found it very difficult to switch from dogs to cats. I just couldn't understand why they wouldn't do as they were told and what's more, didn't care! I'm beginning to get there now. Tweed >> >> Yes, all of our domesticated species started out as wild creatures, >> >> long ago. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tweed LOL! It does take some adjusting, doesn't it? I grew up with a dog, and lived with a dog most of my married life, up until I was about 35, when a kitten decided to adopt us, dog and all. I had never known a cat "up close and personal" before that. Joy > It is insane to feed wild animals! "Unwise", perhaps - "insane" is a bit strong, and when speaking of 'coons (and 'possums) the "feeding" is often involuntary! Both critters tend to help themselves, it's very hard to keep them out of anywhere they want "in", and they seem to be quite partial to cat food. > > It is insane to feed wild animals! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > very hard to keep them out of anywhere they want "in", and > they seem to be quite partial to cat food. The was a "woman" on co.general a while back who advertised on the News Group for people of her ilk to come and do such thing as feed 'coons'! A few months later she was back on the news groups asking about the best way to get rid of pestering 'coons' that came into her yard - It is insane to bring about such on wild animals! By the way, in such towns as Vail, you not only have to secure your trash cans but feed your pets indoors! > http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 > > This article is all about a pack of killer raccoons in Olympia, WA. > They're killing innocent cats. I thought this might be important for > anyone living in that area or anyone with an outdoor cat in an area > with raccoons. We must keep our furry babies safe from evil racoons! This really is bizarre and doesn't ring true. A raccoon will get the better of it if a cat tangles with one, but it is rare to hear of the two fighting. On the other hand, I do agree that people in urban areas should not feed raccoons -- both for the sake of the neighbors and also the raccoons (that may become too friendly with people who are *not* friendly). MaryL >> http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > MaryL Far from true The ferals that hang around the wildlife sanctuary reserve where I am. I have seen them take on raccoons when a new one moves into the area. They knock the crap out of them. They don't take to them to well at least here. One heck of a fight when it is one of the smaller cats. And yes each new one that comes in get fixed and vaccinations every time I see a new one come along Due to the rabies scare problems that we have in Florida the local animal control trap, relocate and release them all the time. I have raccoon proofed the property those buggers are real smart sometimes. It keeps me on my toes sometimes >>http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060821/NEWS/608210327 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > raccoons -- both for the sake of the neighbors and also the raccoons (that > may become too friendly with people who are *not* friendly). Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) > Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the > raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) That's why some people leave cat food outdoors only during daylight hours. Raccoons feed primarily (although not exclusively) at night. MaryL > > Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the > > raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > MaryL And not just raccoons. Anyone who leaves cat food overnight should expect visits from opposums, skunks, rats and all. They all love cat food. Sherry > > > Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the > > > raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry And feral dogs and cats and the neighbor's indoor/outdoor cats. Leaving aside all the risks and the problem of habituating wild animals ot cat food, it is an expensive way to feed your cats. Will in New Haven >> > > Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the >> > > raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Will in New Haven and lions and tigers and bears..oh m.....................woops sorry, back to work now. Randy http://picasaweb.google.com/crmartin1 http://kittenwar.com/kittens/74045/ >>>Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the >>>raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > expect visits from opposums, skunks, rats and all. They all love cat > food. 'Possums and skunks, probably. If the cats are outdoors (and if not, you wouldn't be feeding then outdoors) I doubt you'd get many rats - not if the cats have any hunting skills at all! > Sherry > >>>Well, if you feed your cats outdoors - or put food out for strays - the > >>>raccoon feeding may be involuntary! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you'd get many rats - not if the cats have any hunting > skills at all! True. It would be a gutsy rat to come and dine out of the back-porch cat food bowl. Sherry |
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