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Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 16:25 GMT
DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
dad started, but my brother heads nowadays. Their customers are in the
UK, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland and Finland so they need someone,
besides my brother nowadays, who speaks four languages. Also they need
someone adequatly computer literate. And they haven't been able to find
such a person locally. They've tried to talk me into moving there
before, but DH was never that keen on the idea. Now that DH is "out of
the picture", when my mom mentioned our break-up to my bro on Friday a
week ago, he replied "OK, can she start on Monday?".

As DH has been packing his stuff for a week or two and now that he moved
out today, both Laku and Nico have been a little baffled about the whole
business. Like asking what the meaning was with all those boxes and bags
and such, and why stuff was moved from their familiar positions. And
today, as they were shut into the bedroom while DH, his dad and his
oldest brother moved all the stuff away, they emerged all wide eyed,
looking for DH, sniffing around at the now empty spaces. Probably also
wondering if they will have to get used to just one servant from now on,
as opposed to having had two before.

We are still looking for an apartment out there, I have a couple of
applications for rental apartments submitted. My parents and brother are
all helping to find a place for me. It's easier for them as they're
already there. They know the area, what adresses to avoid and what's OK.
I'm looking for something with 1-2 bedrooms, living room and kitchen. If
I get one with two bedrooms, the second one would be my computer +
sewing room.

And I'll have to get myself a CAR! And re-learn to drive one too, of
course, as I haven't been driving for some 15-20 years. I'll probably
get a few driving lessons from a local driving school to help me along.

There have been many nights with little sleep for me. Thoughts about
finding an apartment in time before the lease is up for this one have
rolled around in my head, as well as the learning to drive part of it
all. It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for
whom driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person. Living
in the greater Helsinki area, I haven't needed my own car so far. So
there are quite a few humonguous flutterbies in my stomach about all
this. But I know the job will be interesting, much more interesting that
what I'm doing now. I'll get to use all my languages frequently and
actively. As it's a small company the tasks are varied. And I know I'd
regret it if I didn't do this.

Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

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Victor Martinez - 19 Aug 2006 16:58 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will

I'm sorry to hear that, separations can be very difficult.

> before, but DH was never that keen on the idea. Now that DH is "out of
> the picture", when my mom mentioned our break-up to my bro on Friday a
> week ago, he replied "OK, can she start on Monday?".

So, she's a very practical woman, like my mom! :)

> looking for DH, sniffing around at the now empty spaces. Probably also
> wondering if they will have to get used to just one servant from now on,
> as opposed to having had two before.

Awww....

> all. It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for
> whom driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person. Living

It is somewhat rare in this country... :)

> in the greater Helsinki area, I haven't needed my own car so far. So

I would love to not have to own a car and take mass transit everywhere.

> actively. As it's a small company the tasks are varied. And I know I'd
> regret it if I didn't do this.

We're sending lots of purrs that this change turns out to be a good
thing for you and the critters. And DH too.

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Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 17:44 GMT
>> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
>
> I'm sorry to hear that, separations can be very difficult.

It was difficult for me at the beginning, the first week after DH told
me he didn't think it was working between us and he'd be moving out as
soon as he finds a place to live I bawled a lot. Didn't think about the
possibility of a move for me too, until my mom mentioned it. Then, after
accepting the fact that DH was leaving, as well as seeing the brighter
side with the new job and fresh start, things were getting a lot better
for me.

> We're sending lots of purrs that this change turns out to be a good
> thing for you and the critters. And DH too.

Thank you very much for your support.

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mlbriggs - 19 Aug 2006 17:22 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
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>
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

Old saying:  "He travels fastest who travels alone".  Purrs that your
Journey will be a happy and profitable one.  est wishes.   MLB
Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 17:47 GMT
> Old saying:  "He travels fastest who travels alone".  Purrs that your
> Journey will be a happy and profitable one.  est wishes.   MLB

Thank you. And I'm not really traveling alone, the fuzzbutts will be
with me. The Journey actually does feel a lot happier now, than when I
was just concentrating on the feeling of being dumped - self pity...

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Julie Cook - 21 Aug 2006 20:06 GMT
>>DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
>>be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>>
>>Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

Purrs and gentle headbutts for you as well as the kitties.  It sounds
like a lot of life changing decisions but having family nearby will
hopefully help with the transition (not to mention the cats).  We'll
send purrs that everything goes easily and that the cats make the
transition without too much fuss.

Purrs, headbutts and hugs,
Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnaubs
Christine K. - 22 Aug 2006 18:01 GMT
> Purrs and gentle headbutts for you as well as the kitties.  It sounds
> like a lot of life changing decisions but having family nearby will
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> Purrs, headbutts and hugs,
> Julie, Hobbes, Lacey, Sam and Barnaubs

Thank you Julie.
I'm a fatalist, and I think if something's meant to happen, it will, no
matter what. And I have a feeling that this move is meant to happen, so
I don't fret too much about the details.

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Adrian A - 19 Aug 2006 17:22 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself
> will be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> our break-up to my bro on Friday a week ago, he replied "OK, can she
> start on Monday?".
<snip>
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

I'm sorry to hear about the breakup, it can't have been easy. Good luck
purrs on the way for finding a new home for you and your owners. It wouldn't
surprise me if you've learnt to drive in the past it will soon come back to
you and it won't seem as bad as you think. It sounds like it will be
rewarding working for a family company, I hope it is.
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Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 17:51 GMT
> I'm sorry to hear about the breakup, it can't have been easy. Good luck
> purrs on the way for finding a new home for you and your owners. It wouldn't
> surprise me if you've learnt to drive in the past it will soon come back to
> you and it won't seem as bad as you think. It sounds like it will be
> rewarding working for a family company, I hope it is.

Thank you. I just have to keep repeating to myself that things do have a
habit of working out. There have been quite a few coincidenses leading
up to this point anyway for things not to work out.
But I never have been a very good driver, didn't drive that regularly
back then either. Then again, my mom got her drivers' licence around my
age, and even tho she doesn't drive that much nowadays, she was OK when
she did drive regularly.

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mlbriggs - 19 Aug 2006 19:12 GMT
>> I'm sorry to hear about the breakup, it can't have been easy. Good luck
>> purrs on the way for finding a new home for you and your owners. It wouldn't
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> age, and even tho she doesn't drive that much nowadays, she was OK when
> she did drive regularly.

I decided to learn to drive when I was 46 years old.  I took lessons from
an off duty police officer.  I t was winter and my lessons were in the
dark hours of early morning, or after work at night.  I drove in rain,
snow and fog during this time.  What I am saying is, if I could do, anyone
can do it.  Best wishes.  MLB
Winnie - 20 Aug 2006 01:32 GMT
> I decided to learn to drive when I was 46 years old.  I took lessons from
> an off duty police officer.  I t was winter and my lessons were in the
> dark hours of early morning, or after work at night.  I drove in rain,
> snow and fog during this time.  What I am saying is, if I could do, anyone
> can do it.  Best wishes.  MLB

I also took driving lessons at night while I was in college. My
instructor kept telling us it is good for us to learn to drive in the
dark and rain. But I never got my driver's license.
Never own a car and has been taking public transit all the time while I
live in N. Amercia
all these years. Sometimes I wish I drive, like when I want to take
Rusty to board at this
very nice place way out in the countryside. But I am a nervous wreck
behind the wheels.
I save a lot not owning a car. Even rented out my parking space.

Winnie
Marina - 19 Aug 2006 17:32 GMT
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

Nothing to apologize for! I'm so sorry you two split up! And I'm sorry
you're moving away - we never got around to meeting each others' kitties
(as you see, I have my priorities straight). I'm glad that you get
custody of the kitties, though. It must be weird for them, and you can't
even try to explain, like you could with kids. I hope the move and
everything new that they encounter in your new life takes their mind off
the loss of one slave.

Wow, you're facing a lot of changes. We're sending lots of purrs for a
great new life! (Care to specify where in western Finland?)

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Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 18:00 GMT
>> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.
>>
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> Wow, you're facing a lot of changes. We're sending lots of purrs for a
> great new life! (Care to specify where in western Finland?)

Specification of locations: The company is located in Laitila and I'll
probably be living in Rauma. Quite a few of the other employees live in
Rauma and I'll probably be able to hitch a ride with someone until I
have my "driving legs" ;) (modification of sea legs - getting used to
being at sea). The drive between those two cities takes about the same
time (or just a bit longer) than what it takes me nowadays to get to
work by bus or bus+train.

Rauma is an old city by the seaside, founded in 1442. Here's a link to
their website in English:
http://www.rauma.fi/english/immigrants/default.htm

Laitila is big in area but has just a few thousand inhabitants. Their
website is not available in Englis, but then again, there isn't that
much to tell about Laitila... ;)

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tanada - 20 Aug 2006 02:36 GMT
> Specification of locations: The company is located in Laitila and I'll
> probably be living in Rauma. Quite a few of the other employees live in
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> their website in English:
> http://www.rauma.fi/english/immigrants/default.htm

I dunno, the area looks interesting, Christine.  Lace making, old Norse
buildings and so forth sound really cool.  You'll have to tell us all about
it.  If I were you, I wouldn't be leery of renting or buying a house.
Especially if you can get one with a bedroom just for the owners to have
their boxes and toys in.  I hope that everything goes well for you and that
either you will get back together with the DH or that the breakup will be
relatively easy.

Purrs and hugs,

Pam S.
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 05:42 GMT
>> Rauma is an old city by the seaside, founded in 1442. Here's a link to
>> their website in English:
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>
> Pam S.

The breakup is a fact, DH has moved out already. He'll be back for the
rest of his stuff today. And as for the easy part, it was hard at the
beginning, but I've managed to face the reality that it's better not to
be together if the feelings are just on one side of the relationship.
After all, there's no way to force anyone to feel a certain way. And we
are still on speaking terms.

And I will very probably not be renting a house, but an apartment. Finns
tend to live in apartments, at least I'd feel more comfortable living in
an apartment.

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Karen - 19 Aug 2006 19:00 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself
> will be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

I'm sorry to hear this Christine. Good or bad, it is a big adjustement
for all of you. I wish you much luck and I hope, happiness. It isn't
odd to think of relearning to drive for people from large cities. My
mom has always disliked driving somewhat because she grew up with mass
transportation, where as I am afraid of it, because I grew up in a much
smaller city where you had to drive. All I can say is hugs to all of
you in this difficult time. It's good you have a support system!!! that
will help a lot.
Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 19:23 GMT
> I'm sorry to hear this Christine. Good or bad, it is a big adjustement
> for all of you. I wish you much luck and I hope, happiness. It isn't odd
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> in this difficult time. It's good you have a support system!!! that will
> help a lot.

Thank you, Karen. This newsgroup is such a great support system, too,
apart from my parents and brother living in the area I'm moving to.

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Jo Firey - 19 Aug 2006 19:18 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my dad
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> it's a small company the tasks are varied. And I know I'd regret it if I
> didn't do this.

I wish you all the best.  A lot of big changes, but you seem to be taking
them with good spirit.

When there is any doubt at all about needing one or two bedrooms, trust me,
you need two.  Even if they are smaller.  You really will need to be able to
shut the door on the computer and sewing and any other projects and walk
away from them sometimes.

You would be surprised at how many Americans do not drive.  Yes, nearly
everyone in and around LA spends so much time in their cars they wonder why
they need homes or apartments.  And most other states require so much travel
that public transportation isn't realistic.  But in New York particularly
many have never owned a car or even had a drivers license.  Owning a car
there is a big expense.  Especially as it will need a parking space that
will cost as much to rent as some of the rest of us pay for an apartment.
Other large cities with good public transportation are getting to be the
same way.  You can live in the city without a car, or you can spend half
your life commuting.  Or take a job outside the city for far less pay.

Jo
Christine K. - 19 Aug 2006 19:38 GMT
> I wish you all the best.  A lot of big changes, but you seem to be taking
> them with good spirit.

It was tough at the beginning, but I'm getting used to the idea now.
There are still new things that pop up in my mind tho, things I have to
take into account when moving. But there's still time.

> When there is any doubt at all about needing one or two bedrooms, trust me,
> you need two.  Even if they are smaller.  You really will need to be able to
> shut the door on the computer and sewing and any other projects and walk
> away from them sometimes.

My thoughts exactly, when in doubt, take one more room. :) But the thing
is, some rental agencies have restrictions as to the size of apartment
(number of rooms) a single person (the cats don't count, unfortunately)
can rent, as some rentals are subsidized by the state. The one I'm
looking at now isn't subsidized like that and has two bedrooms. The size
is about the same as the one I live in now, but the rent is still about
300 Euros (384 USD) cheaper. Admitted, the house is older, but I believe
it's mainly due to the fact that it just is so darned expensive to live
in the Greater Helsinki area.

> You would be surprised at how many Americans do not drive.  Yes, nearly
> everyone in and around LA spends so much time in their cars they wonder why
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>
> Jo

I realize New Yorkers wouldn't actually need a car, with their good
public transportation. And considering that the number of inhabitants in
the Metropolitan area (about 22 million according to Wikipedia) is about
four times that of all of Finland (about 5,3 million) kinda makes your
mind boggle...

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Aug 2006 20:16 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the picture", when my mom mentioned our break-up to my bro on Friday a
> week ago, he replied "OK, can she start on Monday?".

Sounds like shedding a husband may mean an improvement in
your life!  (I can certainly relate to that!)

> We are still looking for an apartment out there, I have a couple of
> applications for rental apartments submitted. My parents and brother are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I get one with two bedrooms, the second one would be my computer +
> sewing room.

You're lucky to have someone already living in the area.  I
plan to move th Arizona (from California) in the fall, but
cannot do too much about apartment hunting until I get
there, since in the past, all I've seen of Phoenix is the
airport, en route to somewhere else.  Fortunately my brother
has a winter home, there, so if I wait until fall I can stay
with them while I house-hunt.  (Although I'll have to board
the cats until I can find a place.)

> There have been many nights with little sleep for me. Thoughts about
> finding an apartment in time before the lease is up for this one have
> rolled around in my head,

Couldn't you make arrangements to stay on a "month-to-month"
basis, when your lease expires?  If your landlords know the
circumstances, and you've been a good tenant, they might
consider it.

> as well as the learning to drive part of it
> all. It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for
> whom driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person.  Living
> in the greater Helsinki area, I haven't needed my own car so far.

Actually, most Americans who live in cities like New York
don't drive or own cars, either - reliable public
transportation makes one unnecessary for most people, so
owning one becomes an expensive, mostly unneeded luxury.  If
you know how to drive, but haven't done so for many years, a
few lessons with a good driving school sounds like a wise
idea.  (And much less stressful than "taking lessons" from a
friend or relative!)
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 06:06 GMT
> Sounds like shedding a husband may mean an improvement in your life!  (I
> can certainly relate to that!)

LOL

> You're lucky to have someone already living in the area.  I plan to move
> th Arizona (from California) in the fall, but cannot do too much about
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> with them while I house-hunt.  (Although I'll have to board the cats
> until I can find a place.)

Yes, it's good to have "spies" on site. And you have your brother with
his winter home, which probably helps in choosing the "right" location
to live in, avoiding the seedier areas.

> Couldn't you make arrangements to stay on a "month-to-month" basis, when
> your lease expires?  If your landlords know the circumstances, and
> you've been a good tenant, they might consider it.

I don't think it works quite like that here. Besides I'd like to get
there as soon as possible to start working at the company. And I'd like
to avoid having to pay any more of these huge rents I have here, and get
a place with a few hundred Euros per month cheaper rent there. I know
I'll get *some* place to stay in, even if only I'd be moving out as soon
as I find a better place.

> Actually, most Americans who live in cities like New York don't drive or
> own cars, either - reliable public transportation makes one unnecessary
> for most people, so owning one becomes an expensive, mostly unneeded
> luxury.  If you know how to drive, but haven't done so for many years, a
> few lessons with a good driving school sounds like a wise idea.  (And
> much less stressful than "taking lessons" from a friend or relative!)

Yes, I was reminded of the fact how many millions of Americans actually
live in big cities where public transport negates the need for a car of
your own. The stressfulness of being taught to drive by a friend
(haven't got any in the area) or relative was what made me think of
taking a few lessons with a driving school. Also, the cars at the
driving school are equipped with double clutch and brake pedals, so the
instructor would be able to brake if I was heading for a disaster of
some kind, unlike when a relative would only be able to yell "Look out!!
The truck!!"

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Winnie - 20 Aug 2006 06:23 GMT
> Yes, I was reminded of the fact how many millions of Americans actually
> live in big cities where public transport negates the need for a car of
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> some kind, unlike when a relative would only be able to yell "Look out!!
> The truck!!"

I took lessons from a driving school, and still remember the instructor
using his brake. He
took  us to areas where there were lots of traffic or accidents.  Made
me a nervous wreck.

Winnie
William Hamblen - 20 Aug 2006 12:02 GMT
>The stressfulness of being taught to drive by a friend
>(haven't got any in the area) or relative was what made me think of
>taking a few lessons with a driving school.

My father taught my mother to drive, which can be a strain on the
marriage.

Bud
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Jo Firey - 20 Aug 2006 17:45 GMT
>>The stressfulness of being taught to drive by a friend
>>(haven't got any in the area) or relative was what made me think of
>>taking a few lessons with a driving school.
>
> My father taught my mother to drive, which can be a strain on the
> marriage.

My father taught everyone in the family to drive.  Including his father.
Now that should have been some strain on a relationship!

He did teach my mother as well as her brothers and sisters.

He was a better teacher than he was a driver.  Or at least most of his
students were better drivers than he was.

Jo
William Hamblen - 21 Aug 2006 03:21 GMT
>>>The stressfulness of being taught to drive by a friend
>>>(haven't got any in the area) or relative was what made me think of
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>He was a better teacher than he was a driver.  Or at least most of his
>students were better drivers than he was.

My father had some experience teaching people to drive because he was
in the automobile business back in the day when a sale could mean
teaching the customer how to drive the car.  Really.  Tennessee didn't
start issuing driver's licenses until 1937, and being unlicensed was
no impediment to driving.

Bud
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Aug 2006 19:26 GMT
>>The stressfulness of being taught to drive by a friend
>>(haven't got any in the area) or relative was what made me think of
>>taking a few lessons with a driving school.
>
> My father taught my mother to drive, which can be a strain on the
> marriage.

After my father died, my mother (who had never driven - this
was back in the days when there was one "family" car, if
that) thought she'd learn to drive from her father.  BAD
idea!  After several grandpa-induced migraines, but while
they were still speaking (barely), she realized "saving
money" wasn't worth it, and went to a professional instructor.
sriddles@aol.com - 21 Aug 2006 05:12 GMT
> >>The stressfulness of being taught to drive by a friend
> >>(haven't got any in the area) or relative was what made me think of
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> they were still speaking (barely), she realized "saving
> money" wasn't worth it, and went to a professional instructor.

I've realized in life that there are some things that, if you can,
you're better off paying someone else to do. Teaching your kids to
drive is one. Expressing a cat's anal glands is another, but that's a
whole 'nuther subject.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Aug 2006 08:24 GMT
> I've realized in life that there are some things that, if you can,
> you're better off paying someone else to do. Teaching your kids to
> drive is one. Expressing a cat's anal glands is another, but that's a
> whole 'nuther subject.

Sherry, may I keep this in my quote file? It's definitely wisdom for
the ages. Plus it's hilarious.

Joyce
Cheryl Perkins - 21 Aug 2006 11:48 GMT
> After my father died, my mother (who had never driven - this
> was back in the days when there was one "family" car, if
> that) thought she'd learn to drive from her father.  BAD
> idea!  After several grandpa-induced migraines, but while
> they were still speaking (barely), she realized "saving
> money" wasn't worth it, and went to a professional instructor.

My mother tried teaching me piano until to our mutual relief she decided
to send me to a piano teacher. I didn't keep up with them for more than a
few years, but they went a *lot* better with someone outside the family.
Although I later learned to drive from both parents, my experience with
the piano lessons made me thankful my mother never decided to try
homeschooling! The mother-daughter relationship got in the way of the
teacher-student one big time.

My grandmother famously never learned to drive because she and my
grandfather, who was teaching her, got is such a big fight over the
lessons that they gave them up as a bad job. Back then, there were no
professional driving instructors where they lived, and I don't imagine
there were many other drivers. I remember a lot of women, especially older
women, who hadn't learned to drive. Some of them took up lessons later in
life, but my grandmother never did.

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Adrian A - 20 Aug 2006 12:58 GMT
<snip>
> Yes, I was reminded of the fact how many millions of Americans
> actually live in big cities where public transport negates the need
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> some kind, unlike when a relative would only be able to yell "Look
> out!! The truck!!"

Perhaps when you get a car it would be a good idea to get one with automatic
transmission, one less thing to think about when you're driving.
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Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 13:24 GMT
> Perhaps when you get a car it would be a good idea to get one with automatic
> transmission, one less thing to think about when you're driving.

That would be nice, yes, but they aren't that common around here. Most
cars have "stick shift".

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Cheryl Perkins - 20 Aug 2006 14:44 GMT
> That would be nice, yes, but they aren't that common around here. Most
> cars have "stick shift".

I learned on a stick shift and still prefer it, although I don't have a
car now. I did when I lived in a more rural area and needed to drive. I
picked it up quite quickly, although it had been many years since I got
my license and last drove.

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, and hope things work out well
for you. At least you'll have support from your family and the cats
will probably also comfort you!

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Aug 2006 19:27 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> Perhaps when you get a car it would be a good idea to get one with automatic
> transmission, one less thing to think about when you're driving.

I didn't realize they still made them without! ;-)
Adrian A - 20 Aug 2006 20:41 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
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>
> I didn't realize they still made them without! ;-)

Very common in Burope. ;-)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Aug 2006 05:14 GMT
>> Perhaps when you get a car it would be a good idea to get one with
>> automatic transmission, one less thing to think about when you're
>> driving.
>
> I didn't realize they still made them without! ;-)

A lot of models don't have manual as an option.  Very annoying.  On
the bright side, it helps me narrow down my list very quickly!

Er, I should say, a lot of models don't have manual as an option in
the US.  A lot of models sell with manual transmission in Burope, but
they don't bother to get them certified here.  *sigh*

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Jane - 21 Aug 2006 12:21 GMT
> > Perhaps when you get a car it would be a good idea to get one with automatic
> > transmission, one less thing to think about when you're driving.
>
> I didn't realize they still made them without! ;-)

Yup, and I'm apparently the only one who still drives them.   I've
always had stick shift cars, except for one little beater that I owned
for only a few months.  It's still possible to buy them
brand-new-off-the-lot, but the salesmen look at you funny.
Back when I picked out my Mazda, I could have gotten a used, very high
end Volvo for a song, simply because it was the only stick shift on the
lot. Apparently special ordered in its day. Unfortunately, at that time
I had a 50 mile commute, and Volvos aren't known for their good  gas
mileage.

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Cheryl Perkins - 21 Aug 2006 12:48 GMT
> Yup, and I'm apparently the only one who still drives them.   I've
> always had stick shift cars, except for one little beater that I owned
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I had a 50 mile commute, and Volvos aren't known for their good  gas
> mileage.

When I bought my first car, I'd done my research. I knew I wanted a
standard shift (stick shift) four door hatchback etc etc etc. and told
that to the saleman, who offered me a two-door sporty model with
everything automatic, including the transmission. 'Just the thing for a
lady' who, presumably, can't handle a basic standard car.

I bought my car from another dealer.

The last time I drove for some relatives, we rented a car, and you
couldn't get a rental car with a standard shift in the city.

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Jane - 21 Aug 2006 15:22 GMT
> When I bought my first car, I'd done my research. I knew I wanted a
> standard shift (stick shift) four door hatchback etc etc etc. and told
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The last time I drove for some relatives, we rented a car, and you
> couldn't get a rental car with a standard shift in the city.

Ptooey on that salesman.  What idiots they are sometimes.  I once was
looking for a used car, and told the salesman what I wanted - small,
stick shift, no frills. I just wanted a metal box with wheels that was
efficient and dependable.  So naturally he had to show me this
monstrously huge and seriously loaded Cadillac, saying, 'You'll look SO
GOOD in this car'.    Yeah right.  I asked him if he was going to pay
for repairs and gas for it, because I sure couldn't!

I can sorta understand why rental cars are all automatic, but it still
pains me.  I'm always looking for the clutch!

Jane
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Aug 2006 17:29 GMT
> Ptooey on that salesman.  What idiots they are sometimes.  I once was
> looking for a used car, and told the salesman what I wanted - small,
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> GOOD in this car'.    Yeah right.  I asked him if he was going to pay
> for repairs and gas for it, because I sure couldn't!

What a twit! How insulting, that he thought you'd care more about how
you'd *look* in a car than how well it met your specs (not to mention
your budget!). How much more blatantly sexist can you get?

> I can sorta understand why rental cars are all automatic, but it still
> pains me.  I'm always looking for the clutch!

After driving nothing but stick shifts and bottom-of-the-line no frills
cars for 20+ years, when I had to buy a car 4 years ago, I decided I
wanted the ease of automatic transmission for a change. I also sprung
for power steering, air conditioning, and a 4-door model. I'm really
happy with the automatic - frees up that right hand for putting on
makeup. (Haha!! :)) But it's great for things like stop-and-go traffic
and very steep hills - both regular features of this region.

Not saying I'd never buy a stick shift car again, but this is
definitely less complicated.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT
> > Ptooey on that salesman.  What idiots they are sometimes.  I once
> > was looking for a used car, and told the salesman what I wanted -
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> how you'd *look* in a car than how well it met your specs (not to
> mention your budget!). How much more blatantly sexist can you get?

To be fair, they do this with guys too.  Pretty much every car
salesman is going to try to upsell you, with any excuse they can get
their hands on.  You think they don't do the, "You'll really turn
heads if you drive this sporty convertible instead of that basic
commuter" thing to men?

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Aug 2006 21:15 GMT
> > > Ptooey on that salesman.  What idiots they are sometimes.  I once
> > > was looking for a used car, and told the salesman what I wanted -
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> > how you'd *look* in a car than how well it met your specs (not to
> > mention your budget!). How much more blatantly sexist can you get?

> To be fair, they do this with guys too.  Pretty much every car
> salesman is going to try to upsell you, with any excuse they can get
> their hands on.  You think they don't do the, "You'll really turn
> heads if you drive this sporty convertible instead of that basic
> commuter" thing to men?

Not being a man, I can't be certain. But I do think that using *looks*
as a selling point is more likely used on women, just because that's how
it is with everything else in the culture.

As to whether they try to sell a guy something more expensive, I won't
argue with that.

Joyce
Jane - 22 Aug 2006 13:34 GMT
> Not being a man, I can't be certain. But I do think that using *looks*
> as a selling point is more likely used on women, just because that's how
> it is with everything else in the culture.

I've heard that the three questions that every woman needs to know
about a car is

1) is it a cute?
2) is it a cute color?
3) do I look cute in it?

I thought it was funny at the time.....before I tried to buy a car.

> As to whether they try to sell a guy something more expensive, I won't
> argue with that.

I think for men they try to sell MORE POWER!    (grunt grunt grunt)

Jane
badwilson - 22 Aug 2006 00:54 GMT
>> Ptooey on that salesman.  What idiots they are sometimes.  I once was
>> looking for a used car, and told the salesman what I wanted - small,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> you'd *look* in a car than how well it met your specs (not to mention
> your budget!). How much more blatantly sexist can you get?

When looking at cars in Perth, one guy at a Mazda dealership told me I
wouldn't like any of the cars because they don't come in pink.  We left
immediately.

>> I can sorta understand why rental cars are all automatic, but it
>> still pains me.  I'm always looking for the clutch!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Not saying I'd never buy a stick shift car again, but this is
> definitely less complicated.

I always drove stick shift, but in Thailand we got an automatic because
I was just getting used to driving on the left side of the road and
figured this would be one less thing to worry about.  But we got our new
car in Australia with manual transmission again.  They are cheaper,
better on fuel and easier to maintain.  It was a bit of an adjustment to
drive one again, especially since I have to shift with my left hand, but
I'm used to it now.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Aug 2006 01:41 GMT
>>> So naturally he had to show me this
>>> monstrously huge and seriously loaded Cadillac, saying, 'You'll look
>>> SO GOOD in this car'.

>> ...How much more blatantly sexist can you get?

> When looking at cars in Perth, one guy at a Mazda dealership told me I
> wouldn't like any of the cars because they don't come in pink.  We left
> immediately.

OK, that answer that question. :)

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Aug 2006 04:24 GMT
> When looking at cars in Perth, one guy at a Mazda dealership told me
> I wouldn't like any of the cars because they don't come in pink.  We
> left immediately.

Wow.

It boggles the mind how someone can possibly be so prejudiced that
they would risk a sale just to make a comment like this.

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badwilson - 22 Aug 2006 13:27 GMT
>> When looking at cars in Perth, one guy at a Mazda dealership told me
>> I wouldn't like any of the cars because they don't come in pink.  We
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> It boggles the mind how someone can possibly be so prejudiced that
> they would risk a sale just to make a comment like this.

Yeah, I was quite blown away.  I mean, Dennis was standing right there
too!  We were both looking at a car, asking all sorts of questions,
comparing the Mazda to the Toyota, Honda and Suzuki that we had
previously looked at, and I asked what colours it comes in.  Sure, a bit
of a girly question, but sheesh!  Dennis had asked the same question at
other dealerships and wasn't treated like that.  I guess the Mazda guy
wouldn't have said the pink thing either if it had been Dennis who had
asked it and not me :-(
I started to boil and Dennis just said "come on, let's go" and we walked
off.
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Lesley - 22 Aug 2006 14:45 GMT
> When looking at cars in Perth, one guy at a Mazda dealership told me I
> wouldn't like any of the cars because they don't come in pink.  We left
> immediately.

When I upgraded my mobile recently the assistant (a female one as well)
was quite insistent that I would like a particular model "because it
comes in pink". To which my reply was "If it doesn't come in another
colour I'll take another model" (It did come in black)

Reminds me of a few years ago when Dave and I took out membership at a
new video rental store and we were looking for what to pick when the
woman behind the counter suggested to me "Kramer v. Kramer" on the
grounds that "It's a real woman's film...a weepie"

She seemed rather stunned when the answer was "Actually I was looking
for "Creepshow""

Lesley

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Jane - 22 Aug 2006 13:40 GMT
> After driving nothing but stick shifts and bottom-of-the-line no frills
> cars for 20+ years, when I had to buy a car 4 years ago, I decided I
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Not saying I'd never buy a stick shift car again, but this is
> definitely less complicated.

We've all driven all shift cars since the 70s. My whole family.  My
mother always said that she'd have to be pretty feeble to give up her
lovely little standard car, so when she finally traded it in for an
automatic Mustang, I knew it was the beginning of the end.

Now that I live in an area that's famous for rush hour traffic, I do
sometimes wish for an automatic. My legs would certainly hurt less.
Then the snow starts to fall and I remember why I love standard in the
first place.

No matter how good everything else is, NOTHING beats a stick shift in
the snow.  NOTHING.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 22 Aug 2006 13:59 GMT
>> After driving nothing but stick shifts and bottom-of-the-line no
>> frills cars for 20+ years, when I had to buy a car 4 years ago, I
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> No matter how good everything else is, NOTHING beats a stick shift in
> the snow.  NOTHING.

How about a stick shift *and* 4-wheel drive (and big extra-knobbly
tires????) <grunt grunt grunt>

Of course, *all* that is null and void if you have snow and *ice*.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-crash!
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Aug 2006 14:55 GMT
>> No matter how good everything else is, NOTHING beats a stick shift
>> in the snow.  NOTHING.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Of course, *all* that is null and void if you have snow and *ice*.
> Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-crash!

Nah, it helps.  As long as you realize that it all helps you *go*, not
*stop*.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Aug 2006 18:06 GMT
> Now that I live in an area that's famous for rush hour traffic, I do
> sometimes wish for an automatic. My legs would certainly hurt less.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No matter how good everything else is, NOTHING beats a stick shift in
> the snow.  NOTHING.

There is that... when I lived in Massachusetts I swore by my front-
wheel-drive, standard transmission Toyota Tercels. I still drive Toyotas,
but you don't see much snow in San Francisco, so I don't have a lot of
need for sudden downshifting.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT
> I can sorta understand why rental cars are all automatic, but it
> still pains me.  I'm always looking for the clutch!

Agreed on both counts.  When I drive my parents' old Explorer, I end
up hitting the brakes and gas at the same time, thinking they're
clutch and gas!  Ack!

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Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT
> When I bought my first car, I'd done my research. I knew I wanted a
> standard shift (stick shift) four door hatchback etc etc etc. and
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>
> I bought my car from another dealer.

Good for you.

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Jo Firey - 21 Aug 2006 21:59 GMT
.

> When I bought my first car, I'd done my research. I knew I wanted a
> standard shift (stick shift) four door hatchback etc etc etc. and told
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I bought my car from another dealer.

Trust me you can use their prejudices against them.  They expect women to be
irrational when buying a car.  So be irrational till you get the deal you
want.

Last time I bought Charlie a car, I told the salesman up front I didn't much
care if I got the Toyota or the Nissan he was selling.  But that I did
prefer the wheelcovers on the Nissan and thought since the did have two
identical cars in inventory they might be willing to make a deal.  Three
hours later I had a very good deal.

I sent my daughter outside to get her father (bargaining embarrasses him)
and when he came inside I threw him the keys.  The salesman was shocked.
Said he had never seen that, and that virtually always the new car went to
the wife.  I was perfectly happy with my car thank you.

Jo
Adrian A - 21 Aug 2006 16:23 GMT
>>> Perhaps when you get a car it would be a good idea to get one with
>>> automatic transmission, one less thing to think about when you're
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Jane
> - owned and operated by Princess Rita

I once had a big Volvo, it was one of the very few built without power
steering, it was a bugger to park ;-) Funnily enough, I've always orefered
automatics but have never owned one in over 30 years of driving.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT
> Yup, and I'm apparently the only one who still drives them.   I've
> always had stick shift cars, except for one little beater that I
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> that time I had a 50 mile commute, and Volvos aren't known for their
> good  gas mileage.

This really depends.  I bought a new car in 2004, DH just a couple of
months ago, and they were both stick.  Neither are what you would call
basic commuter cars.  I think that's the key.  If you're looking for a
basic commuter car for congested areas, well, a stick shift is just a
pain (1st to 2nd ... slow down ... argue with the car about whether it
can shift into 1st while still moving ... ad nauseum).  Probably not
enough people want them to justify producing them.

If you're buying a car that advertises itself as fun, sporty, etc,
well, people who buy cars for those reasons are more inclined to want
a stick.

(While my car was in the shop this winter, I had a loaner Outback
wagon with the deal where you can choose either shifting or automatic.
The shifting variety sucked.  There's no clutch, so I felt like I had
the worst of both worlds -- still had to shift, but had no ability to
modulate, so I didn't feel like I had any extra measure of control.)

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Katrina - 19 Aug 2006 23:06 GMT
>  It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for whom
> driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person. Living in
> the greater Helsinki area, I haven't needed my own car so far.

More Americans than you probably think don't drive... My older son (age
27) has a license, but no car and doesn't really feel the need for one.
My younger son (age 21) never even bothered learning to drive.  Both
live and work in San Francisco.

Katrina

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Jo Firey - 20 Aug 2006 04:28 GMT
>>  It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for whom
>> driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person. Living in the
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>
> Katrina

Living in San Francisco would probably put me off driving for life too.
Still, going for a taxi ride there is one of my favorite amusement park type
rides.  (You think it only looks dangerous take another look at all the
dents in the taxis)

Jo
Katrina - 20 Aug 2006 09:40 GMT
>>> It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for whom
>>> driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person. Living in
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>
> Jo

I don't drive there, either.  I drive as far as Berkeley and BART (Bay
Area Rapid Transit) in.  My husband drives in the city, not me.

Katrina
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Aug 2006 19:22 GMT
>>>> It may be hard for an American to think that there is someone for
>>>> whom driving a car is not second nature, but I'm such a person.
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> I don't drive there, either.  I drive as far as Berkeley and BART (Bay
> Area Rapid Transit) in.  My husband drives in the city, not me.

And they'd have to PAY me (extremely well) to get me to
attempt to drive in New York!

> Katrina
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Aug 2006 21:06 GMT
"Jo Firey" <jofirey@sbcglobal.net> said:

> Living in San Francisco would probably put me off driving for life too.
> Still, going for a taxi ride there is one of my favorite amusement park
> type rides.  (You think it only looks dangerous take another look at
> all the dents in the taxis)

This makes perfect sense, as: (1) public transit within San Francisco
is excellent, so for most commuting within the city, you don't need a
car, and (2) if you had a car, it would be very difficult to find a
place to *put it* when you're not driving it, because parking is a
nightmare.

I don't think SF is a more dangerous city to drive in than most big
cities, though. But then, I'm from Boston, so my basis for comparison
might be a bit skewed. :)

Joyce
Mishi - 21 Aug 2006 00:23 GMT
>"Jo Firey" <jofirey@sbcglobal.net> said:
>
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>
>Joyce

I would rather drive in Boston than Washington DC.  Man, are alot of
the people down there rude! I usually let my son or daughter drive -
they are used to it. My son said he would rather have DC drivers than
LA ones. I get stressed when the traffic gets bad in Syracuse! (I grew
up in a town of 100. Not much traffic there!)

Mishi
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Aug 2006 23:25 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
> dad started, but my brother heads nowadays. Their customers are in the
> UK, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland and Finland so they need someone,
> besides my brother nowadays, who speaks four languages.

Wow!! That *is* a huge change!

I don't know if the breakup is for the better or worse, but either way,
your life is being completely disrupted, and that's always stressful. I
went through a big breakup in 1999, and while I was heartbroken, I also
felt liberated and relieved, as the relationship was full of problems.
And I got to move to a place I wanted to live, that DP didn't want to
live in. I've been here ever since, and I love it. So sometimes even when
it hurts, it ends up being for the better.

I hope it works out really well to join your family's business. And I
hope you and your kitties like your new digs.

Joyce
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 06:10 GMT
>  > DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
>  > be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
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>
> Joyce

Looking at it from one side, yes, our lives will be completely
disrupted. But looking at it from the other side, it's a fresh start.
And like you say, it will probably end up being for the better all around.

Thank you for your support.

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tanada - 20 Aug 2006 01:14 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my dad
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> my mom mentioned our break-up to my bro on Friday a week ago, he replied
> "OK, can she start on Monday?".

I'm sorry to read this, Christine.  Even when a bad relationship breaks up,
there is always a sense of loss and a period of grieving.  Please be kind to
yourself and know that we are here to support you in all you need to do.
Driving a car is fairly easy to re-learn.  You'll do fine with a bit of
practice.  Purrs for you and the owners to find a great place and to adapt
to the changes in your lives.

Pam S.
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 06:13 GMT
> I'm sorry to read this, Christine.  Even when a bad relationship breaks up,
> there is always a sense of loss and a period of grieving.  Please be kind to
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>
> Pam S.

Thank you Pam. The big changes are being made easier by the fact that my
closest family is "on site". I haven't been able to visit them as often
as I have wanted to due to the distance and now they're there - for
better or for worse... ;)

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Irulan - 20 Aug 2006 02:32 GMT
Sorry to hear about the break-up, Christine. But good luck to you on all
your future endeavours. Glad to hear you get to keep the furbabies. God
bless.
Lily & her mama

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> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my dad
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> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 06:13 GMT
> Sorry to hear about the break-up, Christine. But good luck to you on all
> your future endeavours. Glad to hear you get to keep the furbabies. God
> bless.
> Lily & her mama

Thank you Lily.

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Takayuki - 20 Aug 2006 04:08 GMT
>DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
>be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
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>the picture", when my mom mentioned our break-up to my bro on Friday a
>week ago, he replied "OK, can she start on Monday?".

Purrs for your new start go go smoothly, Christine.
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 06:13 GMT
> Purrs for your new start go go smoothly, Christine.

Thank you Tak.

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Winnie - 20 Aug 2006 05:45 GMT
I am so sorry. A new start at a different place may be just what you
need. I wish you all the
best.

Winnie

> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
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Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 06:23 GMT
> I am so sorry. A new start at a different place may be just what you
> need. I wish you all the
> best.
>
> Winnie

Thank you Winnie.

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Joy - 20 Aug 2006 08:20 GMT
Purrs for you and the kitties to find a good place to live, and for you to
enjoy your new job.

And good-luck purrs on re-learning to drive, too.  You can't get by without
a car in Southern California, but I know there are many cities that have
great public transportation, where driving isn't necessary.

Joy

> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my dad
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>
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.
Christine K. - 20 Aug 2006 08:48 GMT
> Purrs for you and the kitties to find a good place to live, and for you to
> enjoy your new job.
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>
> Joy

Thank you, Joy.
I know I'll enjoy the new job better than my present one. It'll be more
varied, small company that it is, and I'll get to actively use my
languages, which have been sorrily ignored where I'm working now. I've
only got to use Finnish and Swedish on a regular basis, no German or
English worth mentioning. For a language nut like myself that is a very
sorry state to be in.

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polonca12000@yahoo.com - 20 Aug 2006 22:20 GMT
> DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
> be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
> dad started, but my brother heads nowadays. <snip>
But I know the job will be interesting, much more interesting that
> what I'm doing now. I'll get to use all my languages frequently and
> actively. As it's a small company the tasks are varied. And I know I'd
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We are sending lots of good luck purrs and best wishes for you and the
kitties, Christine,
Polonca and Soncek
Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Aug 2006 05:09 GMT
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

Don't apologize!  That's a lot to have on your mind and heart.

Good luck with your new job.  It sounds like you'll be able to move
closer to your family, which may be just right for you right now.
Driving -- hey, you'll get the hang of it.  It's not rocket science.
(Okay, there are people out in the world who shouldn't be driving, but
mostly that's because they never considered that they might not be
very good or need to pay attention more -- as long as you approach
driving as an opportunity to constantly learn and get better, you'll
be better than most drivers before too long.)

Purrs for you and the kitties.

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Christine K. - 21 Aug 2006 16:18 GMT
Replying to myself here...

Thank you all, both the ones posting here and the ones emailing me
directly, once more for your support, suggestions, tips and kind words.
You are the greatest!!

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Cheryl - 22 Aug 2006 02:58 GMT
> Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

I seem to have missed this. Good luck Christine. Yup, big changes,
but you can do it. I was sorry to read about Laku and Nico because
they just can't understand, not that we can much either, but we have
at least a little bit of an advantage. As for driving, I know many
people who've grown so accustomed to someone else driving them that
they've had to "re-learn" too! Best wishes on your new life, and I
hope, and the kitties send purrs, that whatever you need from this
change will happen for you.

Hugs,

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Christine K. - 22 Aug 2006 18:07 GMT
> I seem to have missed this. Good luck Christine. Yup, big changes,
> but you can do it. I was sorry to read about Laku and Nico because
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> Hugs,

Thank you, Cheryl.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 24 Aug 2006 16:38 GMT
>DH and I have separated, DH moved out today. The kitties and myself will
>be moving to western Finland, where I'll be working at the company my
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>
>Sorry for this long ramble, I just had to get some of it out.

{{{{Christine}}}}}

I am so sorry about the breakup, but glad the job sounds like
something you will enjoy.  I know this is a time of change and
disruption for you; hang in there, and may everything settle down and
you have a better life than ever.

Ginger-lyn

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> {{{{Christine}}}}}
>
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>
> Ginger-lyn

Thank you Ginger-lyn.

And I just secured an apartment too, so there's one less thing to worry
about now. That also makes it one more piece of the puzzle that clicks
into place... More and more I start to get the feeling that things have
been working towards me moving there and starting to work at The Firm.
(no, it's not that kind of firm... LOL)

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Marina - 24 Aug 2006 17:45 GMT
> And I just secured an apartment too, so there's one less thing to worry
> about now. That also makes it one more piece of the puzzle that clicks
> into place... More and more I start to get the feeling that things have
> been working towards me moving there and starting to work at The Firm.
> (no, it's not that kind of firm... LOL)

Congratulations! it sounds like this may have been a Good Thing after
all! I really hope you're happy with your new life! And Laku and Nico,
too, of course.

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Christine K. - 24 Aug 2006 19:04 GMT
>> And I just secured an apartment too, so there's one less thing to
>> worry about now. That also makes it one more piece of the puzzle that
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> all! I really hope you're happy with your new life! And Laku and Nico,
> too, of course.

Thank you. I will be living in Laitila after all, not in Rauma, like I
first thought. But I can always get to Rauma if I want to, or Turku, for
that matter. And should I want to relocate, it will be easier when I'm
there. And the apartment's very nice, my parents saw it today, and I
trust their judgement as well as I know the house in question.

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