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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / August 2006Not really OT - Baby Seal Hunts in Canada
A lot of you are aware of the much-publicized seal-hunts that take place in Canada on a yearly basis. Well, HSUS had a 'poster' contest to help make people even more aware of this plight. You can view a slideshow of the winners here: http://multimedia.hsus.org/slideshow-design-against-fur/design-against-fur.html  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > A lot of you are aware of the much-publicized seal-hunts that take place in > Canada on a yearly basis. > Well, HSUS had a 'poster' contest to help make people even more aware of > this plight. > You can view a slideshow of the winners here: > http://multimedia.hsus.org/slideshow-design-against-fur/design-against-fur.html I won't bother as I am far more aware of the seal hunt than I suspect any of the contestants are. As I live in a province that engages in the seal hunt, I've been able to watch the annual descent of various protesters since Greenpeace first chose the seal pup as their poster animal. The experience has ensured that I will never support big international appeals no matter how lurid their stories or how many true believers they can muster. I've seen firsthand how lies, misleading information, and the judicious selection of cute animals in distant locations can be spun into gold. I'm also not nearly enough of a hypocrite to oppose hunting. I eat meat, I wear animal products and I even use products made in environmentally-damaging factories. It's a pity cod aren't cute. They were in more trouble than the seals back when all this started, and they're in worse trouble now. SignatureCheryl I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone doing it to a kitten........ Nanny >> A lot of you are aware of the much-publicized seal-hunts that take place >> in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > It's a pity cod aren't cute. They were in more trouble than the seals back > when all this started, and they're in worse trouble now. ---------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 145 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl > I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I > can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone > doing it to a kitten........ > > Nanny That is a sick emotional response to an already volatile situation. Cheryl did not support the killing of the seals. She opposed the money grubbing individuals who spin things like the seal hunt for their own profit. My grandfather hunted seals as a young man. It gave him the cash he needed to get out of his tiny village and get to a university to get an education. He didn't much like the seal hunt, but the family could not survive without the income. His family also fished for cod. His extended family was probably directly and indirectly responsible for a good deal of the damage to the fishery. They were also responsible for providing a cheap source of food to a good part of the world for many years. While I don't support the seal hunt, I'm not about to support groups who use it simply to make a name for themselves and raise money. Responsible wildlife management isn't about posters. Jo > My grandfather hunted seals as a young man. It gave him the cash he needed > to get out of his tiny village and get to a university to get an education. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to the fishery. They were also responsible for providing a cheap source of > food to a good part of the world for many years. > While I don't support the seal hunt, I'm not about to support groups who use > it simply to make a name for themselves and raise money. I am against the inhumane killing of animals, but I am not against hunting per se. To be honest, I don't know enough about the seal hunt to judge whether it is humane or not. I don't believe that groups like Greenpeace do the work they do for "money grubbing" reasons, or just to make a name for themselves. You might not agree with what they do, but they're a legitimate organization. They believe in what they are doing - just as you believe in what you do. This idea that environmentalist groups are phony and just into it for the money/publicity is a myth perpetrated by the conservative media, which ends up making the average person think that environmental concerns are just for fringe radical protestors and not for you and me. However, it wasn't that long ago that people laughed at the "extremists" warning us about global warming, and now look at the evidence. Just curious: why don't you support the seal hunt? Joyce > > While I don't support the seal hunt, I'm not about to support groups who use > > it simply to make a name for themselves and raise money. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > might not agree with what they do, but they're a legitimate organization. > They believe in what they are doing - just as you believe in what you do. I don't think Greenpeace is "wrong" to oppose the seal hunt. Obviously they believe it is unnecessary and possibly cruel. However, I cannot support them in this. I eat beef, and a beef cow is killed by a stunning shock (Rather like a clubbing blow--that's how they did it in the old days), its throat is cut and it is hung for its blood to drain. While I eat beef, I believe it would be hypocritical of me to oppose hunting seals. On the other hand, I usually* avoid wearing fur. Faux-fur satisfies my fashion sense, and I do not feel there is a need to kill animals for fur when faux-fur exists. If someone invents a passable faux-steak and faux-roast, I may give up beef as well ;) *My grandma left me a fur coat which I will not throw out/give away just because it is made of mink. On the other hand, my choice to not wear fur is a CHOICE, not something that has been taken away from me. I would not like any law that tells me I have to get rid of Grandma's coat. --Fil > However, I cannot support them in this. I eat beef, and a beef cow is > killed by a stunning shock (Rather like a clubbing blow--that's how > they did it in the old days), its throat is cut and it is hung for its > blood to drain. Slight edit--the stunning shock/blow doesn't actually kill. They die from loss of blood. The shock/blow renders them unconscious (or should) before the throat is cut, the legs go in the hooks and the blood is drained. My grandma told me about a cow they killed back in the 30s and, well, let's just say they had to strike more than once. --Fil > I don't think Greenpeace is "wrong" to oppose the seal hunt. Obviously > they believe it is unnecessary and possibly cruel. > However, I cannot support them in this. Well, that certainly makes sense. You don't have to agree with or support an organization to respect what they're doing (or at least, to accept that they are doing it for genuine reasons). > On the other hand, I usually* avoid wearing fur. Faux-fur satisfies my > fashion sense, and I do not feel there is a need to kill animals for > fur when faux-fur exists. If someone invents a passable faux-steak and > faux-roast, I may give up beef as well ;) LOL. I like some foods that are considered "fake meat", but they don't really taste like meat and aren't an adequate substitute. They're just foods I happen to like for their own sake. I wouldn't give up real meat anytime soon, either. (Did I ever tell the story about the time I had dinner with someone who was a PETA-style militant animal rights person, which was of course at a vegetarian restaurant? A Chinese restaurant, which served a lot of gluten dishes. These dishes were given the same names as the meat counterparts they were created to imitate, and I ordered the "beef" with broccoli. When I offered my dinner companion a taste, she said, "No thank you. I have no need to eat fake meat." Can you believe it? She was dissing me for eating *fake* meat?? As you might imagine, that friendship didn't go very far!) > On the other hand, my choice to not wear fur is a CHOICE, not something > that has been taken away from me. I would not like any law that tells > me I have to get rid of Grandma's coat. And anyway, what would be the point of that? Getting rid of the coat wouldn't do the minks who died for that coat any good. Better to make laws that either outlaw the farming of minks for fur, or strongly regulate the industry so that it's done very humanely. (Some will disagree that it is even possible for a mink farm to be humane, and I won't argue with that, because, just as with seals, I don't know enough about it to back up an opinion.) Joyce > I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I > can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone > doing it to a kitten........ > > Nanny This response was uncalled for, Nanny. Tweed >>> A lot of you are aware of the much-publicized seal-hunts that take place >>> in [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: > http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl < sniped for being uncalled for and cruel> >> Nanny > > This response was uncalled for, Nanny. > > Tweed Agreed very uncalled for Was it ? Replace the word baby seal with the word kitten and suddenly it's cruel ? No, my reply was only useless, as I remembered afterwards that I once started a topic about this slaughter, and only got very disappointing reactions from people who couldn't care less. Some people only love their own pets and those of their friends........ Nanny >> I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I >> can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: >> http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ---------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 145 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl Was it ? Replace the word baby seal with the word kitten and suddenly it's cruel ? No, my reply was only useless, as I remembered afterwards that I once started a topic about this slaughter, and only got very disappointing reactions from people who couldn't care less. Some people only love their own pets and those of their friends........ Nanny >> I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I >> can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: >> http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone doing it to a kitten........ Nanny >> A lot of you are aware of the much-publicized seal-hunts that take place >> in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > It's a pity cod aren't cute. They were in more trouble than the seals back > when all this started, and they're in worse trouble now. > I'd almost hope that someone would do that to a kitten of yours, but as I > can't stand them doing this to baby seals I also couldn't stand someone > doing it to a kitten........ Well, if it bothers you so much, I'm sure you're protesting daily outside your local slaughterhouses. SignatureCheryl Didn't mean to start a whole debate, just thought the posters and some of their concepts were interesting, that all. Sorry > A lot of you are aware of the much-publicized seal-hunts that take > place in Canada on a yearly basis. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://multimedia.hsus.org/slideshow-design-against-fur/design-against-fur.html > Didn't mean to start a whole debate, just thought the posters and some of > their concepts were interesting, that all. > Sorry No need to apologize - it hit one of my hot buttons, but you could certainly post it, just as I can respond! SignatureCheryl > "Magic Mood Jeep?" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote: > > Didn't mean to start a whole debate, just thought the posters and some of > > their concepts were interesting, that all. > > Sorry > No need to apologize - it hit one of my hot buttons, but you could > certainly post it, just as I can respond! Besides, I thought that discussion was interesting. Nobody got nasty about it, so I don't see any problem with it! Joyce |
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