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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / August 2006Completely OT - Gasoline Prices
I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than the US: Can you tell me what you paid per litre of fuel in January 2005, and what you are paying per litre now? Smokie Darling (Annie) TIA >I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > the US: > > Can you tell me what you paid per litre of fuel in January 2005, and > what you are paying per litre now? I would guess (I have of course forgotten) that I was paying in Jan 05 probably 91-2p per litre. Hope you can translate English money into American ;-) Right now a litre of unleaded petrol for my car costs 96.9p a litre. There are 4.5 litres to the English gallon. This probably works out at near 8 dollars a gallon. Tweed > Can you tell me what you paid per litre of fuel in January 2005, and > what you are paying per litre now? There's a website you can check: http://gasbuddy.com > > Can you tell me what you paid per litre of fuel in January 2005, and > > what you are paying per litre now? > > There's a website you can check: http://gasbuddy.com Yep, US and Canada. My dad is wondering about England (thanks so much Tweed), Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. Smokie Darling (Annie) I honestly can't remember fuel prices in January 2005, but at the moment we are paying roughly 137c/litre (Australian cents) in Sydney, Australia. Fuel prices in Australia vary enormously depending on where you are. People in rural areas pay a *lot* more for their fuel (I know, grossly unfair) - between 145 and 150c/litre. I know it was more than $1/litre in January last year because I started catching the train to work after fuel hit $1/litre and that was well before January 2005. HTH Tish >I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than >the US: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >TIA IIRC, when I was in Australia in May of 2005, fuel prices in Sydney and Perth seemed to range from 104 to 114c/litre. I found the terminology a little confusing, because in the U.S. we would say $1.04 to $1.14. (a dollar four rather than a hundred four cents) At the time, I think the Aussie dollar was worth around 80 cents U.S. I know that, much as we grumble about our outrageously high fuel prices, we still pay less than just about any other country in the world. Joy >I honestly can't remember fuel prices in January 2005, but at the > moment we are paying roughly 137c/litre (Australian cents) in Sydney, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >>TIA > IIRC, when I was in Australia in May of 2005, fuel prices in Sydney and > Perth seemed to range from 104 to 114c/litre. I found the terminology a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > >>TIA Joy and Tish, thank you so much for that info. I think my dad may regret asking me to ask around (lol), I've been sending him emails every little bit (which is amazingly hilarious). Such a helpful group (as I knew you would be). SD (Annie) > I know that, much as we grumble about our outrageously high fuel prices, we > still pay less than just about any other country in the world. The actual fuel costs about the same everywhere, allowing for things like differences in transport costs, grades of gasoline, and the overhead of running a business. The big differences come from differences in excise taxes, which in most countries are heavier than in the US. British excise taxes are easily 75% of the cost. Bud > IIRC, when I was in Australia in May of 2005, fuel prices in Sydney > and Perth seemed to range from 104 to 114c/litre. I found the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > prices, we still pay less than just about any other country in the > world. I believe the price in Saudi Arabia is about 30 cents per gallon.  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I know that, much as we grumble about our outrageously high fuel prices, we > still pay less than just about any other country in the world. It's about $3 a gallon in my area, give or take 10 cents, depending on the area. The price of gas is one of the things that makes me appreciate my little bitty efficient car so much, AND it makes me appreciate my job. I live one mile from the metro at one end, and work one block from the metro at the other end. I fill up my car with gas about every 2-3 weeks. This is something that I bring up to every recruiter that wants me to give up my job and go work for another company. It'll have to be a spectacular raise in pay to make me give up that marvelous commute. Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita The last fill up cost me £0.949 GBP per litre = $1.81110 USD per litre or $6.855759 per US gallon ($8.233427 per English gallon) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I honestly can't remember fuel prices in January 2005, but at the > moment we are paying roughly 137c/litre (Australian cents) in Sydney, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> TIA > The last fill up cost me £0.949 GBP per litre = $1.81110 USD per > litre or $6.855759 per US gallon ($8.233427 per English gallon) Just found a receipt from Jan, 2005 £0.769 GBP per litre = $1.46710 USD or $5.553578 per US gallon. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I honestly can't remember fuel prices in January 2005, but at the > moment we are paying roughly 137c/litre (Australian cents) in Sydney, > Australia. Fuel prices in Australia vary enormously depending on > where you are. People in rural areas pay a *lot* more for their fuel > (I know, grossly unfair) - between 145 and 150c/litre. Yes, it's crazy. Here in Margaret River it's $1.49/litre. But if I go to Busselton, just 30 min away, it's only $1.37. I usually can avoid getting any fuel here, our little car is very economical to run. But sometimes I have to put $10 in here to get me up to Busselton to fill up. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >> I honestly can't remember fuel prices in January 2005, but at the >> moment we are paying roughly 137c/litre (Australian cents) in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > run. But sometimes I have to put $10 in here to get me up to > Busselton to fill up. That's considerably less than I'm paying in England, the last fill up cost me $2.37 AUD/litre ($95.90 AUD) for the tank full. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > the US: > > Can you tell me what you paid per litre of fuel in January 2005, and > what you are paying per litre now? There is a good deal fo motor fuel price data on the world wide web, for example http://www.kshitij.com/research/petrol.shtml Motor fuel prices per gallon have trended upward at roughly the same rate world wide. The percentage change has been more dramatic in the USA because the excise taxes are so much less here than elsewhere. Where you have 40 cents per US gallon of excise here you have $4.00 elsewhere. A rise in price from $2.50 to $3.00 feels like more of a change than a rise in price from $6.50 to $7.00. Bud > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > the US: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TIA I've no idea what I paid for gas in 2005. I can tell you I paid close to $3 USD for it a couple of days ago. And here's a funny for ya'. I was kept waiting while a funeral procession went by. Not just any funeral. A policeman's funeral. Which seems to require every cop in the county to stand around and/or drive along in the procession and/or block intersections. Don't get me wrong, I respect what these people do. But there is absolutely no reason why I should have sat there for 20 minutes while all these squad cars and motorcycles drove past, waiting for a hearse to go by. And then the entourage afterwards. Just because he was a cop. Meanwhile, my car just about ran out of gas as I sat there, waiting for the *last* motorcycle cop to clear the intersection and drive away. Sheesh. What if I'd needed to get Persia to the emergency vets? (Of course, had that been the case, I'd have crashed the motorcycle cop line and had them chase me to the pet hospital - consider it an 'escort' - and then let them tell me I couldn't take my sweet baby into the hospital... I DARE you!) Jill > > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > > the US: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jill Well, if you truly do respect what policeman do, you got the chance to show it. Losing 20 minutes out of your day isn't really that much, but think what the show of respect might have meant to his widow, children, and fellow officers. Sherry >>> I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other >>> than the US: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> and then let them tell me I couldn't take my sweet baby into the >> hospital... I DARE you!) >> Jill > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and fellow officers. > Sherry As most folks here know, my father is a retired Colonel from the USMC. It doesn't take 20 minutes and blocking all traffic to escort a member of the armed forces to his final resting place. Shouldn't take that long or every cop on the planet for the same thing. Jill >> I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than >> the US: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Jill When I had to wait for a procession for a police funeral, I pulled over, parked, and turned off the engine. If I were stuck in the street, I'd have still turned off my engine, as I do if I have to wait for a long train. Joy >>> I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other >>> than the US: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Joy Try running the Air Conditioner (a requirement) in the southern U.S. in 100F heat without running the engine. Jill > >>> I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other > >>> than the US: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Jill Good point--I thought about that too. Could be worse, Jill :-o) This is cowboy country, and when any well-loved person in the riding club goes to the last round-up, the body is taken from the funeral home to the down main street and all the way to the cemetery on a horse-drawn caisson, with the cowboy's horse led by foot at the head of the entourage (stirrups backwards, of course). It takes a LONG time. But then, nobody's in much of a hurry here, and there are side streets to avoid the procession. Sherry >>>>> I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other >>>>> than the US: [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Sherry I was ON a side street! That's the hell of it! I live out in the country, not in the city. Still got stuck for 20 minutes. Oh well. At least I didn't have Persia or Peaches in the car with me. Jill >>>>I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other >>>>than the US: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Try running the Air Conditioner (a requirement) in the southern U.S. in 100F > heat without running the engine. Try opening the window, until you can turn the motor on again! Are you trying to tell us there is a LAW requiring you to run your auto's air-conditioning in summer? (It gets hot in Southern California, too, but there are still a lot of folks driving older cars which do not have air-conditioning, and THEY survive - surely twenty minutes with the window open should be do-able.) >>>>> I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other >>>>> than the US: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > air-conditioning, and THEY survive - surely twenty minutes > with the window open should be do-able.) Of course not, but you aren't me, Evelyn. I get sick to death to my stomach in 10 minutes of 100 degree temps. When I lived in Bangkok my mom would turn on the AC in my room before I got home because on the bus ride home I was so sick I to the point of passing out. Who are you to tell me what temperatures I can or cannot stand? I suppose you'd like your cats to stay outside in 100 degree temps, too? Jill > Of course not, but you aren't me, Evelyn. I get sick to death to my stomach > in 10 minutes of 100 degree temps. When I lived in Bangkok my mom would > turn on the AC in my room before I got home because on the bus ride home I > was so sick I to the point of passing out. Who are you to tell me what > temperatures I can or cannot stand? I suppose you'd like your cats to stay > outside in 100 degree temps, too? They frequently DID, when they had the option of coming and going as they pleased! They knew where the pet flap was (and their food and water dishes) so I figured if they stayed out, basking in the hot sun, it must be because they WANTED to do so. > > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > > the US: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I've no idea what I paid for gas in 2005. I can tell you I paid close to $3 > USD for it a couple of days ago. Our gas is $3 for mid-grade ($3.20 or .40 for supreme). Last year (around Memorial Day) it was maybe $2.50 for supreme and around 20 to 40 cents less (Memorial Day is near my birthday, the only reason I remember it). > And here's a funny for ya'. I was kept waiting while a funeral procession > went by. Not just any funeral. A policeman's funeral. Which seems to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > just about ran out of gas as I sat there, waiting for the *last* motorcycle > cop to clear the intersection and drive away. Sheesh. Been there (waiting and riding in the entourage), done that. > What if I'd needed to get Persia to the emergency vets? (Of course, had that > been the case, I'd have crashed the motorcycle cop line and had them chase > me to the pet hospital - consider it an 'escort' - and then let them tell > me I couldn't take my sweet baby into the hospital... I DARE you!) Point taken... I won't argue with you about your baby (as I completely agree). They re-wrote a city code here that funeral processions are no longer "allowed" on main roads, they have to use side streets (hence less chance of slowing up a commuter). Seems like one of the County Commissioners had to wait through someone's funeral procession (not a cop, just a well-loved person - my DH's Aunt actually), and they didn't like it. > Jill > Don't get me wrong, I respect what these people do. But there is absolutely > no reason why I should have sat there for 20 minutes while all these squad > cars and motorcycles drove past, waiting for a hearse to go by. And then > the entourage afterwards. Just because he was a cop. Meanwhile, my car > just about ran out of gas as I sat there, waiting for the *last* motorcycle > cop to clear the intersection and drive away. Sheesh. *eyebrows up and mouth open* Did you left your engine RUNNING all that time?!?!?! <VEG> Then fuel prices are really still too low... ;-) Squarely Yours Michael SignatureSquare Dance is friendship put to music Andrea and Michael with furballs Blacky and Merlin More detailed info: http://www.curschmann-sachsen.de > I've no idea what I paid for gas in 2005. I can tell you I paid close to $3 > USD for it a couple of days ago. And we're paying closer to $4 per gallon, here in Southern California! I have never been able to understand why, when California is closer to the refineries than the Midwest or the Eastern seaboard, we have ALWAYS paid quite a bit more for gas than they do! (But our European friends have always paid considerably more than anywhere in the U.S. - one reason you find such neat ideas as the Smart Car, there.) > And here's a funny for ya'. I was kept waiting while a funeral procession > went by. Not just any funeral. A policeman's funeral. Which seems to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > cars and motorcycles drove past, waiting for a hearse to go by. And then > the entourage afterwards. Just because he was a cop. Being a cop has nothing to do with it! Don't the traffic laws in your part of the country give funeral corteges the right of way? Plenty of those for lay-people can be pretty long, too, if it's on a day and at a time when people can attend. If you're on a freeway, or somewhere you can't turn around and choose another route, too bad - you're stuck with it. > Meanwhile, my car > just about ran out of gas as I sat there, waiting for the *last* motorcycle > cop to clear the intersection and drive away. Sheesh. I usually turn the engine off and put the car in "Park", when something like that holds me up. (I used to have to cross the Southern Pacific tracks to and from anywhere I wanted to go - I'm sure I saved a lot of gas, not letting the motor idle while a lengthy freight train slowly wended its way past the crossing.) > What if I'd needed to get Persia to the emergency vets? (Of course, had that > been the case, I'd have crashed the motorcycle cop line and had them chase > me to the pet hospital - consider it an 'escort' - and then let them tell > me I couldn't take my sweet baby into the hospital... I DARE you!) Bad idea!! Explaining and arguing would have taken longer than simply waiting in compliance with the law governing funeral processions. (And MUCH longer if they'd arrested you for mouthing off!) > Don't get me wrong, I respect what these people do. But there > is absolutely no reason why I should have sat there for 20 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > motorcycle cop to clear the intersection and drive away. > Sheesh. Sometimes the processions that are even longer are funeral processions for young people. Those that attend usually span many generations. Eric's funeral procession was the longest that I've ever seen. Ever. This was on a Friday during the day when many couldn't take off from work (or school), but the cars still kept coming and coming and the turn into the cemetary was a left turn, and it stopped traffic for miles. I hope he was looking down to see everyone that wanted to be there. SignatureCheryl > > Don't get me wrong, I respect what these people do. But there > > is absolutely no reason why I should have sat there for 20 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > Cheryl I hope he was too, Cheryl. And I hope it was a comfort to you that so many people loved Eric. When my mom died (she was very young), there wasn't enough room for everyone to come in, some people stood outside. I still have never seen so many flowers. I was very surprised by that. But it was nice. Sherry > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > the US: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TIA I don't have a car, but there's this website (in Finnish) with fuel prices, including statistics back in time starting from April 2005, not January, unfortunately. But here goes: April 2005 - Gasoline 95E - about 1,2 Euros per litre August 2006 - 95E - about 1,4 Euros per litre One Euro is 1.2792 USD according to the Bank Of Finland rate of last Friday 4. August. Christine in Vantaa, posting from work > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > the US: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TIA Here are the histoical dates from Germany back to 1950: Eurocent per Litre Eurocent per US-Gallon (3,785 l) Year Std Prem Diesel Std Premium Diesel EUR/USD 1950 28,8 32,4 17,3 109,0 122,5 65,4 1951 33,0 36,6 21,0 124,8 138,4 79,5 1952 33,6 37,2 21,4 127,3 140,9 81,1 1953 33,3 36,9 21,0 126,2 139,7 79,3 1954 32,7 36,3 19,6 123,9 137,4 74,3 1955 32,4 35,9 23,8 122,5 136,0 90,0 1956 32,8 36,4 25,7 124,0 137,6 97,1 1957 33,4 37,0 26,8 126,4 139,9 101,6 1958 31,8 35,6 26,0 120,4 134,7 98,5 1959 31,8 35,3 26,2 120,2 133,7 99,3 1960 30,6 34,2 27,6 115,7 129,3 104,3 1961 29,7 33,2 28,1 112,2 125,8 106,4 1962 29,5 33,0 28,3 111,5 124,8 107,2 1963 29,3 32,9 27,3 111,1 124,6 103,3 1964 29,3 32,9 26,8 110,9 124,4 101,4 1965 29,3 32,9 26,8 110,9 124,4 101,4 1966 27,8 31,4 26,7 105,3 119,0 101,0 1967 30,3 33,6 28,5 114,6 127,3 107,8 1968 32,0 34,2 29,4 121,0 129,3 111,3 1969 29,8 32,7 28,7 112,6 123,9 108,8 1970 29,0 32,5 29,2 109,9 123,1 110,5 1971 30,3 33,8 30,8 114,8 127,9 116,7 1972 31,9 35,8 32,8 120,6 135,5 124,2 1973 35,5 39,3 36,1 134,3 148,8 136,6 1974 42,6 46,2 44,7 161,2 174,9 169,1 1975 42,5 46,0 44,5 160,8 174,0 168,4 1976 45,7 48,6 45,7 172,8 183,8 172,8 1977 44,3 46,8 44,7 167,8 177,3 169,3 1978 45,7 48,2 45,2 172,8 182,3 171,1 1979 50,0 52,3 51,7 189,3 197,8 195,7 1980 58,7 61,2 59,8 222,2 231,6 226,4 1981 70,7 73,4 66,7 267,6 277,7 252,4 1982 67,9 71,3 67,9 257,0 270,0 257,0 1983 67,2 71,0 65,6 254,5 268,6 248,3 1984 67,7 71,1 67,2 256,4 269,0 254,5 1985 69,4 72,9 68,6 262,6 275,8 259,5 1986 50,8 54,0 50,6 192,2 204,4 191,6 1987 48,5 51,6 46,7 183,5 195,3 176,9 1988 46,9 49,6 45,1 177,7 187,9 170,9 1989 56,0 58,5 48,6 211,9 221,6 183,8 1990 58,0 60,7 52,0 219,7 229,7 196,8 1991 65,0 67,6 54,6 246,2 255,8 206,7 1992 68,5 71,1 54,0 259,1 269,0 204,6 1993 68,7 71,3 55,3 260,1 270,0 209,4 0,855 1994 77,1 79,6 58,3 291,6 301,3 220,8 0,844 1995 76,7 79,3 57,6 290,3 300,2 218,1 0,773 1996 80,1 82,7 62,3 303,1 312,9 235,7 0,798 1997 82,7 85,2 63,6 312,9 322,4 240,7 0,885 1998 78,8 81,2 58,5 298,2 307,3 221,4 0,891 1999 83,9 86,3 63,6 317,4 326,7 240,7 0,939 2000 99,1 101,6 80,2 375,2 384,7 303,6 1,086 2001 100,2 102,3 82,0 379,1 387,0 310,2 1,117 2002 102,5 104,6 83,6 388,0 395,9 316,4 1,061 2003 107,1 109,2 88,4 405,4 413,3 334,6 0,885 2004 111,3 113,3 93,7 421,3 428,8 354,7 0,805 2005 119,7 121,7 106,1 453,1 460,6 401,6 0,805 2006* 129,0 131,0 112,1 488,2 495,7 424,1 0,809 *until July 31st, 2006 Since Germany since converted its currency from DM to EURO in 2002 I have converted DM-values to EURO values. To get the real prices in US-cents you have to divide the values of the "Eurocent per US-Gallon"-column by the values of the "EUR/USD"-column respectively. So the actual price of one gallon premium fuel in Germany is about 495,7 Eurocent divided by 0,809 EUR/USD, totals about 6$ 13ct. HTH Squarely Yours Michael SignatureSquare Dance is friendship put to music Andrea and Michael with furballs Blacky and Merlin More detailed info: http://www.curschmann-sachsen.de > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places > other than the US: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TIA Don't compare prices anywhere in the world with the prices in Venezuela. You'll get mad. LOL SignatureCheryl > Don't compare prices anywhere in the world with the prices in > Venezuela. You'll get mad. LOL Ha - that just makes me want to move there. Better than average government, beautiful scenery, warm weather, plus I speak the language... sort of. :) Well, if I ever want to leave California, it's on my list, right up there with happy Denmark. :) Joyce - pumps at Citgo whenever possible. > Ha - that just makes me want to move there. Better than average government, > beautiful scenery, warm weather, plus I speak the language... sort of. :) You must be confused. Venezuela is ruled by Chavez, one of the most corrupt and authoritarian regimes, 2nd only to Cuba. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Ha - that just makes me want to move there. Better than average >> government, beautiful scenery, warm weather, plus I speak the >> language... sort of. :) > > You must be confused. Venezuela is ruled by Chavez, one of the most > corrupt and authoritarian regimes, 2nd only to Cuba. :) I think she was thinking of Costa Rica. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > >> Ha - that just makes me want to move there. Better than average > >> government, beautiful scenery, warm weather, plus I speak the > >> language... sort of. :) > > > > You must be confused. Venezuela is ruled by Chavez, one of the most > > corrupt and authoritarian regimes, 2nd only to Cuba. :) > I think she was thinking of Costa Rica. Nope, I meant Venezuela. (I wouldn't turn down Costa Rica, either, though.) Joyce >> Ha - that just makes me want to move there. Better than average >> government, >> beautiful scenery, warm weather, plus I speak the language... sort of. :) > > You must be confused. Venezuela is ruled by Chavez, one of the most > corrupt and authoritarian regimes, 2nd only to Cuba. :) Yeah, I was going to ask "But what's the political situation there?", but I didn't want to display my ignorance. > > Ha - that just makes me want to move there. Better than average government, > > beautiful scenery, warm weather, plus I speak the language... sort of. :) > You must be confused. Venezuela is ruled by Chavez, one of the most > corrupt and authoritarian regimes, 2nd only to Cuba. :) Propaganda. I know people who have gone there and spent time there, and while it is of course not perfect, it is not a dictatorship. The poor people there adore him - for the first time, they actually have some hope of their lives improving. We might disagree, Victor, but I am not confused. Do you really think that Chavez is as corrupt and dictatorial as, say, the royalty in Saudi Arabia? The Taliban and its successors? C'mon, at least the Chavez government is really trying to help its own people. Of course that country and its government is not going to be popular in the US, as their actions are completely contrary to the interests of our government and the corporations they serve. So most news sources are not going to present a favorable view of what they are doing. Joyce PS - While I do not approve at all of Cuba's policies toward gay people, that is another country that has been severely maligned in the West, and particularly in the USA. Yet, while untold numbers of people suffered and died in New Orleans, Cuba managed to get 100% of the people in its path out of danger before the hurricane hit. Yet they have no money, and we're one of the richest countries in the world. They have an extremely high literacy rate, might even be 100%. It's about priorities. > Propaganda. I know people who have gone there and spent time there, and > while it is of course not perfect, it is not a dictatorship. The poor Yes it is. Congress has 100% members of Chavez's party. All members of the judiciary were appointed by Chavez. That is, for all intents and purposes, a dictatorship. > Do you really think that Chavez is as corrupt and dictatorial as, say, > the royalty in Saudi Arabia? The Taliban and its successors? C'mon, at > least the Chavez government is really trying to help its own people. The Saudis are very, very corrupt, but so is Chavez. > Of course that country and its government is not going to be popular in > the US, as their actions are completely contrary to the interests of our > government and the corporations they serve. So most news sources are not > going to present a favorable view of what they are doing. Everyday I read international newspapers not subject to american self-censorship. > we're one of the richest countries in the world. They have an extremely > high literacy rate, might even be 100%. It's about priorities. Cuba has a lot of admirable things, literacy is one of them. It also has lots of awful things, freedom is one of them. Chavez is no less of a dictator (albeit democratically elected, interesting apparent contradiction in terms) than Castro is. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > I have been asked by my dad, to inquire of people in places other than > the US: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TIA You all have been a godsend to me. My dad said he has never had a better "world" view of gas prices, he wishes to thank each of you (as do I). Smokie Darling (Annie) |
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