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Takayuki - 05 Aug 2006 22:47 GMT
I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
interspersed with "I miss you".

"Betty my love.  I love you.  I love you so much.  SO much!  Daddy
loves you.  Daddy will always love you.  We'll always be together.
You and me, together forever."

Then:  "I miss you."

I never said "I miss you" to Betty when she was around of course, so
this broke a pattern.  I also started crying at work, and at other
places.  This hadn't happened before either, because I was used to not
being around Betty when I wasn't at home.  I think this means that my
heart is beginning to realize or accept that Betty is truly gone.

The world has changed little by little.  Nothing is really the same.
When I look out at a lake, it is no longer a lake, but a lake with no
Betty.  When I see a tree, it's no longer a tree, but a tree with no
Betty.

I do see one image of Betty a lot, and it is the image of her lying
dead.  I see her when I close my eyes.  Also, whenever I am in front
of a reflective rectangular surface, I see Betty lying on the steel
table where I took her to die.  Unfortunately, my desk at work, which
has a glass top, is such a surface.

When at home, it feels as though I no longer have a home.  When Betty
was here, this house was where Betty and I played and laughed and
chatted and cuddled.  It was Betty's home, our home, a warm place.

It is no longer a home here, but a mausoleum where Betty's ashes
occupy a niche.  It has become a gloomy and forbidding place.  I stay
up late at night thinking about Betty.  I cross my arms or put my chin
on my hands and just stare off into space.  It's become hard to sleep.
When I'm falling asleep, I'll remember something about Betty's last
day, and it'll just instantly pull me out of nascent slumber, like
being splashed with a cupful of ice water.  I dream that there are
people in trench coats chasing me, clamoring to avenge Betty.

The combination of these factors makes it seem as though I actually
never left the room at the veterinary office that day.  I actually
stepped out into another world that superficially looks like the real
world, but is actually a kind of personal hell.  It's sort of like
someone pulled a prank on me, taking Betty and leaving me here.  I
want to say, ha ha, very funny - now take me to Betty, where we can
sleep and dream as we had done before, but together, forever.

I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.
Exocat - 05 Aug 2006 23:00 GMT
> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

So poignantly put I could hardly read it, Tak.

Yes I fear I relate to that all too well. First when I ended the
suffering of my elderly special boy Aries, then when I laid to rest the
headless body of my too-young Kensey, killed by a plough, then when I
had to have TED euthanase my Pericles long before his time.

Fortunately each new agony relatively diminished the previous ones by
its very immediacy, but that's about the only good thing I can think of
in favour of any bereavement.

Except perhaps that by concentrating on the years of wonderful memories
with each companion the pain of the time of their loss does gradually
diminish.

And that's all I can see to write.

My empathetic thoughts are with you - and hopefully a new special
companion will soon be with you too.

Purrs
Gordon & the FF
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 05:28 GMT
>So poignantly put I could hardly read it, Tak.
>
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>its very immediacy, but that's about the only good thing I can think of
>in favour of any bereavement.

Buring Kensey, who was killed by a plough - that has got to be a
difficult sight, a difficult chore, and a difficult memory.
Exocat - 06 Aug 2006 10:50 GMT
> Buring Kensey, who was killed by a plough - that has got to be a
> difficult sight, a difficult chore, and a difficult memory.

It sure was, and it stayed in the forefront of my mind for years, until
replaced by the awfulness of bringing Pericles' perfect but dead body
home from TEDs and letting Bandit and Snowball his 2 companions sniff
him for their version of closure. Peri is buried under a small Azalea
bush in my little garden which flowers every Spring with vivid red
blooms, fitting as he was a Red Tabby. He's also marked by some
attractive marble rocks, and lies right next to his favourite outdoor
lurking spot under the adjacent hebe bush.

Eighteen months later and I still don't like using the garden. But less
so than last summer, therefore I can attest to the fact that the keen
edge of grief will gradually diminish. Having the d-pet and the other 3
masters helps too, even if only to keep me so busy attending to their
needs that I don't have time to dwell on the loss.

HTH
Purrs
Gordon & the FF
MaryL - 05 Aug 2006 23:07 GMT
<snip>
> The combination of these factors makes it seem as though I actually
> never left the room at the veterinary office that day.  I actually
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

Have you considered getting another cat?  Another cat would never replace
Betty -- we do not "replace" our furbabies, just as one child can never
replace another for parents, but the addition of a new cat can often ease
the pain.  It would also give a loving home to another cat that otherwise
would probably be euthanized.  If you are uncertain, you could consider
fostering, possibly for a rescue group.

I never experienced exactly the same thing as you described.  However, it
was so painful when I had to have my first cat euthanized many years ago (at
the age of 20) that I had decided that I would never get another cat and put
myself through that type of pain.  As the weeks wore on, I thought and
talked about him in what must have seen like an incessant manner to others.
Eventually, I realized that I really *needed* to have a furry companion.
The time was *right* in another way, too -- Amber needed a home.  She was
about to be put outdoors (even thought they had *declawed all four paws*)
because there "wouldn't be room for her" in a mobile home now that they were
going to have a second baby.  Well, adopting Amber turned out to be exactly
the right decision both for Amber and for me.  She was truly a little angel
(and I still cannot forgive those people for declawing her).  I soon loved
her, but in a different way from my first furbaby.  As I said, one does not
replace another; she was an *addition.*  However, I soon found that I now
thought only about the good things with my first cat.  I lost the feeling of
pain and instead looked back with gratitude and happy memories of him.  I
still keep his picture on display (and one can be seen in some of my Holly &
Duffy pictures -- the gray cat above the computer; Amber is the white cat),
but all my memories of both cats are good.  When I once again had to make
the painful decision for euthanasia (with Amber at the age of 16), I knew
that I would get another cat.  I had learned from the experience that it is
*good* to move on and accept another furry companion.  So, Holly came into
my life -- and later Duffy, so for the first time I had two cats together.
I have never regretted it for instant!!

So, you might want to give this some consideration.  As I said, you could
even consider fostering as a "trial run."

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
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Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 05:31 GMT
>I lost the feeling of
>pain and instead looked back with gratitude and happy memories of him.  I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>So, you might want to give this some consideration.  As I said, you could
>even consider fostering as a "trial run."

You definitely did good with your cats.  I think that fostering would
be for more experienced people through.
MaryL - 06 Aug 2006 06:08 GMT
>>I lost the feeling of
>>pain and instead looked back with gratitude and happy memories of him.  I
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> You definitely did good with your cats.  I think that fostering would
> be for more experienced people through.

I only meant that you might try to foster *one* cat or kitten, with the
possibility of adopting if you decided that the "time" and "fit" were right.
That would be like caring for your own cat.  You would simply be giving a
cat a home until someone adopted or you decided to adopt -- you would not
need to start with a difficult situation.  Shelters and rescue groups are
usually eager to find people willing to foster until homes can be found.

You really do have my profound sympathy.  I know how hard it is to lose a
greatly loved pet.

MaryL
Pat - 05 Aug 2006 23:11 GMT
> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

Yes. Similar feelings every time I've lost a pet. Blaming myself no matter
what the cause.... Nothing will bring them back to this life, and I don't
want to tell you how much a new cat in your life can help, because I know
you don't want to think about it just yet. I've also been at the place where
one says "No more pets, ever again, because it hurts to much to lose them."
I didn't heed my own counsel, so I have a lot of pain ahead of me, but I
will always have furry healers to help me get through it. I think it's the
only way.
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 05:36 GMT
>Yes. Similar feelings every time I've lost a pet. Blaming myself no matter
>what the cause.... Nothing will bring them back to this life, and I don't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>will always have furry healers to help me get through it. I think it's the
>only way.

How have you found that your furry healers helped you?  I've noted
that some people have some "continuity" when they have multiple cats,
and they all mourn together, or sometimes not, if the kitties didn't
get along, and I've wondered about the dynamics in those kinds of
households.
Pat - 06 Aug 2006 18:21 GMT
>>Yes. Similar feelings every time I've lost a pet. Blaming myself no matter
>>what the cause.... Nothing will bring them back to this life, and I don't
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> get along, and I've wondered about the dynamics in those kinds of
> households.

There have been all sorts of situations. The very first time I lost a kitty,
he was closer to the other kitty than to me, and the other kitty grieved
harder than I did. That in itself was a revelation.... The second time, I
was the one grieving worst, and the other kitty hadn't been at all fond of
the one who passed, but she sure helped me get through the pain. Another
time, two out of three kitties died within six months of each other, and the
remaining one was so grief-stricken that he almost died. I was nearly as
bad, but because I had to take care of the remaining cat, I kept it
together. After that kitty died, I didn't want any more. But there were mice
in the house, big time, and I was offered the loan of two kittens, so I
accepted. One of those kittens decided to stay on, but I wasn't gonna let
myself get too attached to her. I thought, what she needs is a kitty friend
to play with, so she won't get too attached to me, either. Then, when I
found Eli, I couldn't leave him to keep on scrounging in dumpsters, and told
myself that if anything happens to either Baby Eyes or Tommy, at least the
remaining kitty won't turn into a basket case from grief because here is a
third kitty.

The following spring I finally realized how desperately I missed my Maine
Coons, and decided to get one if I could. Well, as it turns out I got
Abelard, and then not one but two "MC lool-alikes" if not actual MCs. By
this time I was deeply attached to all the other cats and fully into having
cats around me again. None had died, but they sure helped me get past the
death of my 16-year marriage. Especially Baby Eyes, who was the only one
there with me when it was worst, and I was spending more time crying than
not. I had to evetually fall in love with her for that reason alone! She has
always been there for me whenever I've been sick or sad. She comes to me and
rubs her little face on mine and lets me hold onto her, which she ordinarily
does not enjoy.

Right now I get the most attention from Tommy and Eli, with Billy and Lily
tied for third place. If I oversleep too long, they come to check on me, and
rub and lick on me until I wake up. It's never because they want food, as
their huge dish is always filled with kibble. I know if I was grieving over
any sort of loss, these cats would be my constant guardians, and the love
for the lost one will have other places to go, instead of being locked up
inside my heart turning sour.
Takayuki - 07 Aug 2006 05:43 GMT
>There have been all sorts of situations. The very first time I lost a kitty,
>he was closer to the other kitty than to me, and the other kitty grieved
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>for the lost one will have other places to go, instead of being locked up
>inside my heart turning sour.

Thank you Pat, that was a wonderful account.
tanada - 07 Aug 2006 01:43 GMT
> How have you found that your furry healers helped you?  I've noted
> that some people have some "continuity" when they have multiple cats,
> and they all mourn together, or sometimes not, if the kitties didn't
> get along, and I've wondered about the dynamics in those kinds of
> households.

We do grieve together, as we are a big family.  As such, not all of us get
along with each other all the time, so things can get a little dicey at
times.  I really believe that you need to visit a shelter.  Give yourself
some closure by seeing what Betty's life would have been like without you,
and maybe, just maybe, you might find a couple of new friends who will bring
laughter and love to your house again.  I really think that Betty would want
to be remembered with joy and love than like this.

Pam S.
Takayuki - 08 Aug 2006 06:24 GMT
>We do grieve together, as we are a big family.  As such, not all of us get
>along with each other all the time, so things can get a little dicey at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>laughter and love to your house again.  I really think that Betty would want
>to be remembered with joy and love than like this.

I was there and I saw the moment the joy and the love was killed.

I don't know right now whether I was really a cat person, or just a
Betty person.  I don't know whether there's an answer to that.  I just
know that someone is gone, a very good and treasured girl.
Singh - 08 Aug 2006 14:52 GMT
> I was there and I saw the moment the joy and the love was killed.

The love has not died. All I have to do is read the posts to see that.

> I don't know right now whether I was really a cat person, or just a
> Betty person.  I don't know whether there's an answer to that.  I just
> know that someone is gone, a very good and treasured girl.

I don't think you'd be gushing along with the rest of us about our cats' doings
if you didn't have genuine kitty-love!

Blessed be,
Baha
Karen - 08 Aug 2006 17:01 GMT
>> We do grieve together, as we are a big family.  As such, not all of us
>> get along with each other all the time, so things can get a little
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Betty person.  I don't know whether there's an answer to that.  I just
> know that someone is gone, a very good and treasured girl.

Tak, how much pain was Betty in? You cannot know. I now know that Grant
jumping awake while sleeping was probably pain, and yet, he never
showed pain to me directly. The last week and a half he was utterly
miserable. When they called and told me he was very advanced in stomach
cancer, with almost no normal tissue left, I had only one choice. It
was would only be for me to see him again that I would have them sew
him up and try to come back for a while. I only saw the misery at the
very end when his entire stomach was eaten up, but he was probably in
pain for much longer though he didn't show it (and Grant was a wuss,
let me tell you, he was not one to go forth bravely on his own. It
wasn't his nature. He was a big baby).

Keeping Betty would only have been for you and not for her. How fair is
that? You aren't nearly as upset with  yourself about all of this as
you are with the fact that Betty had cancer, and it was terrible and
unfair and caused you to have to make these decisions about treatment.
THAT is what you see when you see Betty there. You see cancer, not
Betty. Maybe you think it is not right to have put her to sleep, but
she was not the happy Betty you remember. She put on a brave front
because it is in the nature of animals to do so. Survival is much
different than living. She was and IS a treasured girl but you do her a
grave disservice to think you did not do what she needed.

I sometimes think there is no such thing as a "cat" person, but only a
"loving" person. And that you are or you would not grieve so deeply. I
think it is indeed much much harder because you are alone. I felt bad
when Grant died because I felt numb to Sugar and Pearl, and yet, I was
very very thankful not to come home to an empty apartment. I don't know
if you will be brave and get another kitty but I always advise people
should get two and if you do get brave I totally think you need to find
two kitties who need a home together. And at first it will be like
having two strangers suddenly move in with you (I felt that way when I
got Grant and Sugar as kittens. Sometimes I would think, "what have I
done? there are strangers here." And I was replacing the emptiness of
leaving my older cats that had bonded with my mother in my absence not
a treasured deceased cat.) BUT they came to be the light of my rotten
days and always made coming home a pleasure instead of an empty ticking
nothing.

I know you are still grieving and much of what you say is just because
of the deep missing and emptiness, but do remember that surviving was
not living for Betty, nor is it for you. It is neither of your faults
that she had this terrible disease that caused you to have to do such
rotten things.
Jeanne Hedge - 09 Aug 2006 02:45 GMT
>I was there and I saw the moment the joy and the love was killed.

So was I, Tak, when I had Tribble PTS. I even held him in my arms
while they did it.

It DOES get better, and some day Betty will make sure you have a new
little friend, but you just can't dwell on it.  Maybe you should talk
to someone. I've read that grief counselors do recognize that grief
over the loss of a pet is just the same as grief over the loss of a
person.

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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tanada - 10 Aug 2006 08:05 GMT
> I was there and I saw the moment the joy and the love was killed.
>
> I don't know right now whether I was really a cat person, or just a
> Betty person.  I don't know whether there's an answer to that.  I just
> know that someone is gone, a very good and treasured girl.

And you would have kept her alive for what?  Your own ego?  Tak, you loved
Betty so much, so how can you doubt her love for you so much?  You are a
compassionate and caring person and Betty was so lucky to have received all
that love from you.  I just wish you loved yourself enough that you'd give
yourself the benefit of Betty's love.

I challenge you, Tak, to go to a shelter and see the cats there.  Then,
while you're there, tell those cats that they don't deserve your love as
much as Betty did.  Damn it man, you're about as perfect a catslave as was
ever created.  So just get over yourself and give some of that love and
compassion to a couple of other cats who deserve it.

Pam S.
Marina - 07 Aug 2006 04:35 GMT
> How have you found that your furry healers helped you?  I've noted
> that some people have some "continuity" when they have multiple cats,
> and they all mourn together, or sometimes not, if the kitties didn't
> get along, and I've wondered about the dynamics in those kinds of
> households.

When Nikki died, I was so worried about how Frank would take it. They
had been best friends for about 16.5 years. I think her death may well
have contributed to his health deteriorating the way it did. She went so
suddenly and none of us had the chance to say goodbye properly. So I was
more intent on watching out for him, and willing him to accept Miranda
as his new best friend, than mourning Nikki.

When Frank died, I didn't have to worry about the young ones in the same
way - Miranda did seem to miss him now and then, but she was mostly
happy to play with Caliban. What Caliban did for me was to make me
laugh. Every day, almost whenever I looked at him (and this is still
true), he made/makes me laugh out loud. I just can't help it. Even when
I was completely lost and crying, he could suddenly do something that
made me laugh again. There is an incredible healing power in laughter.
Just the physical act of laughing.

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Takayuki - 08 Aug 2006 06:26 GMT
>When Nikki died, I was so worried about how Frank would take it. They
>had been best friends for about 16.5 years. I think her death may well
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>made me laugh again. There is an incredible healing power in laughter.
>Just the physical act of laughing.

Is he the funny one?  I thought that Miranda was the funny prankster,
hissing at other cats and running away, shredding toilet paper rolls,
etc.
Marina - 08 Aug 2006 18:00 GMT
> Is he the funny one?  I thought that Miranda was the funny prankster,
> hissing at other cats and running away, shredding toilet paper rolls,
> etc.

Miranda is funny in a more intellectual way. She's a stand-up comedian
while Caliban is a circus clown.  ;o)

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Kreisleriana - 08 Aug 2006 15:28 GMT
>> How have you found that your furry healers helped you?  I've noted
>> that some people have some "continuity" when they have multiple cats,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>made me laugh again. There is an incredible healing power in laughter.
>Just the physical act of laughing.

You make some excellent points.  

I don't think I will ever be without more than one kitty again.
Stinky's personality blossomed so much after we lost Mimi that I let
him enjoy being the only cat, and my only little buddy.  And it turned
out I did him a real disservice.  When I brought Stinky home, he was
friendly both to humans and to other cats.  All the years as the
onlicat changed him.  He became un-socialized to other cats.  Dante
has been here for almost an entire year, and although Stinky has
accepted him, I've given up that they will ever be friends.  I've
learned my lesson.  When Stinky's time comes (terrible thought),
I will not wait too long before getting Dante a new friend.  

Also, I can't forget that having Stinky around infinitely cushioned
the terrible blow of losing Mimi.  I was desolate when I lost her, and
I dread to think how much worse it would have been without Stinky to
keep me company, and to look after me. ;)  And now that Stinky is 15,
I have to think ahead, as much as I hate it.  And I know the day will
come when Dante's presence will make that terrible day easier for me.

Finally-- the greatest thing the boys do for me is make me laugh. I
have a depressive personality, but I feel I have a wonderful insurance
policy.  I have an almost ironclad guarantee that no matter how down I
get, I will laugh every day.

Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War
Mzblackcat - 05 Aug 2006 23:47 GMT
>I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
>around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
>been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your dear Betty. I know exactly how
you feel when I loss my dear Kit (he was hit by a police car) I thought I was
going to die and I was so young. when my twins were babies I adopted Meow
from the animal shelter and  have had him every since(he's 10) he fell ill
today(possibly a stroke) I feel so bad I can't take him to the vet until the
morning because of the transportation. My heart is so heavy right now because
I can't do anything my hands are tied all I can do is see my kitty suffer. It
hurts so bad. So I understand but I do agree with everyone else here. When
you are ready you should consider adopting a new furbaby.
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 05:37 GMT
>I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your dear Betty. I know exactly how
>you feel when I loss my dear Kit (he was hit by a police car) I thought I was
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>hurts so bad. So I understand but I do agree with everyone else here. When
>you are ready you should consider adopting a new furbaby.

I do hope that your Meow will be okay.
Kreisleriana - 06 Aug 2006 00:21 GMT
>I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
>around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
>been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

((((((((((((Tak))))))))))))))))))

Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War
SuzQ - 08 Aug 2006 12:26 GMT
Tak, I think living alone makes it harder to get over Betty. I hope you
start to realize that she wants you to be happy. Maybe if you try
volunteering at a shelter. You might find another companion, or not. Doing
something positive might help you feel more at peace about Betty.
Suz&Spicey
---MIKE--- - 08 Aug 2006 13:06 GMT
Tak, I know how you feel.  When Ike disappeared seven years ago I was
concerned about how Amber would feel so I went to a shelter and adapted
Tiger.  I still miss Ike (especially since I never knew what happened to
him) but I now have Tiger and Amber to share my life with.  

When you took Betty for her last vet visit, you were showing her the
ultimate love.  You relieved her suffering.  Now, she could be looking
down at you and seeing you suffering.  She would NOT want you to suffer
like this.  Betty would want you to have another cat (or two) to love.  

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
Lois - 06 Aug 2006 00:22 GMT
> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

(((((((((((((((((Purrs))))))))))))))))))) Tak

At the moment our grief is still raw but I can fully understand how you must
be feeling. I can still see Cleo, in the house, in the garden. I have put
her special plates away so I don't have to look at them.

Last night I went out and stood by her grave and whispered to her that we
lave and miss her. We planted a beautiful deep pink Camellia yesterday on
her grave, I will get a cat statue to place there as well.

As I look at my 5 kittens playing today, full of the joys of life and not a
worry in the world, I think one day they will break someone's heart, I have
to hope that between now and then they will have a wonderful full life with
loving slaves.

Purrs

Lois

Burmese are like potato chips, you can't just have one!
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 06:01 GMT
>At the moment our grief is still raw but I can fully understand how you must
>be feeling. I can still see Cleo, in the house, in the garden. I have put
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>lave and miss her. We planted a beautiful deep pink Camellia yesterday on
>her grave, I will get a cat statue to place there as well.

I think that's a lovely, wonderful gesture.  I have some friends who
buried their dog and cat in their yard, although it's unmarked, except
by some plain rocks.  Whenever I visit, I go to their graves to talk
to them.  But discreetly, so that they don't think I'm weird.
Actually, they've known me for a long time, so too late for that.
Dan M - 06 Aug 2006 07:27 GMT
> I think that's a lovely, wonderful gesture.  I have some friends who
> buried their dog and cat in their yard, although it's unmarked, except by
> some plain rocks.  Whenever I visit, I go to their graves to talk to them.
>  But discreetly, so that they don't think I'm weird. Actually, they've
> known me for a long time, so too late for that.

Everybody in my family is as dedicated to their furred ones as I am to
mine. When my brother's dog Bridget died he had her cremated and he has
her ashes in a wooden box. Likewise when his kitty Samantha passed. He has
two tombstones in his front yard, one for Bridget and one for Samantha.
They aren't buried there, but it helps him to remember them. Every time
Nancy and I visit there, we say goodbye to both Bridger and Samantha when
we leave. Mom has both of her late Springer Spaniels and her big
Henry dog buried in her yard; we also say goodbye to Lady, Lad, and Henry
when we are leaving.

Tak, what you're going through is normal. Losing our furred kids is
always, always painful. It hurts for a long time. The last sight of our
kitties alive usually stays with us a long, long time. When I think of DD
the image that comes first is that of her on the vet's table. I can also
remember the images of her playing, and snuggling, and purring, but I have
to think to do so.

What you gave Betty was a life of love, pampering, cuddling, and the best
care a kitty could ask for. Yes, it is tragic and horribly unfair that she
was stricken with such a horrid disease. But even though she did have to
suffer through that disease, she did so with your love and your concern
and your devotion and the absolute certainty that she had your love and
the best help that was available. That's the best thing we can offer our
sweeties when their time comes. It's terribly hard on us, but the most
loving thing we can offer them.

I can't address how it will work for you, but a couple months after DD
passed Nancy happened upon a family needing to home several kittens before
they moved. That's how we ended up with Tabitha kitten. About a month
after that, I saw a beautiful little orange kitten who had been abaondoned
next to the parking lot where I worked. I had no choice but to trap him
and adopt him, and my baby Sammy and I now have a bond unlike that I have
with any other kitties.

When the time is right, another kitties or two will present itself to you.
You'll know the time is right. I know for certain that DD sent Sammy to
us. Betty will do the same for you.

Dan
Takayuki - 07 Aug 2006 04:55 GMT
>I can't address how it will work for you, but a couple months after DD
>passed Nancy happened upon a family needing to home several kittens before
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>You'll know the time is right. I know for certain that DD sent Sammy to
>us. Betty will do the same for you.

I have to say, I love your cats too.  They're so cute.  I liked your
picture of DD outside, wanting attention, even before I started
posting on this group.
Matthew - 06 Aug 2006 00:44 GMT
Tak  I am in tears  reading your post below
Something That I discovered on the net

IF TEARS COULD BUILD A STAIRWAY

If tears could build a stairway.
   and memories a lane.
I would walk right up to Heaven
   and bring you back again.

No farewell words were spoken
   No time to say "Goodbye."
You were gone before I knew it.
   and only Gods knows why.

My heart still aches with sadness.
   and secret tears still flow.
   What it meant to love you-
       No one can ever know.

   But now I know you want me
       to mourn for you no more:
To remember all the happy times.
       life still has much in store

   Since you'll never be forgotten.
       I pledge to you today-
  A hollowed place within my heart.
       is where you will always stay.

Author unknown

>I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 06:03 GMT
>Tak  I am in tears  reading your post below
>Something That I discovered on the net
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
>Author unknown

Yes, this is all true.  Thank you.
jmcquown - 06 Aug 2006 01:32 GMT
> I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

Oh TAK!  I know how you feel.  It's a desperate lonely feeling.  Like the
world conspired to take away what was precious.  You didn't have nearly
enough time with your sweet Betty.  I know.

When my dog Sampson (the first and only dog I ever had) died after almost 18
years I walked around for the first year after like a zombie.  I saw him in
everything and everywhere.  It was so painful.  People at work thought I was
nuts.  I would burst into tears at the slightest provocation; anything that
reminded me of him brought me to tears.

I was also visited by him.  (Yes, sounds crazy, but I was.)  He told me in
his own way it was time to let him go but that he'd always be here with me,
watching over me.  I truly believe that.

And, a year later, who knocked on my door?  Persia.  I had never intended to
have a cat.  She *demanded* I let her in.  I think my dear departed Sampson
had a hand in this ;)

In time, I truly believe you will get the message from Betty "this is the
one, help her" and your heart will start to heal.  Blessings for you in the
meantime, my friend.  Grief is a difficult thing.  Give yourself time and
know you are not alone.  Betty will always be there and so will we.

Jill
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 06:05 GMT
>Oh TAK!  I know how you feel.  It's a desperate lonely feeling.  Like the
>world conspired to take away what was precious.  You didn't have nearly
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>meantime, my friend.  Grief is a difficult thing.  Give yourself time and
>know you are not alone.  Betty will always be there and so will we.

This is always a wonderful story.  When a dog came to my doorstep a
few weeks ago, I thought of you and hoped that this wasn't going to
some kind of reverse Sampson situation. :)
jmcquown - 06 Aug 2006 07:10 GMT
>> Oh TAK!  I know how you feel.  It's a desperate lonely feeling.
>> Like the world conspired to take away what was precious.  You didn't
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> few weeks ago, I thought of you and hoped that this wasn't going to
> some kind of reverse Sampson situation. :)

Oh, you knew better :)  Didn't mean to turn this into a "me" thing, just to
show you eventually your heart will heal but you'll never forget your
beloved Betty and neither will anyone who ever heard of her.

Jill
Joy - 06 Aug 2006 02:28 GMT
>I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

(((((((((((Takayuki)))))))))))

I experienced something similar to some things you mention after my husband
died.  The hardest image to get rid of was that of him lying dead in his
hospital bed.  My son helped me find a way to dispel that image.  I didn't
have any good, recent photos of him by himself, and my son wanted one to
carry in his wallet.  However, there were photos of his Barbershop Quartet.
This was before the days of manipulating photos on the computer, so I took
some of the quartet photos to a couple of people in my photography club.
One made an 8 x 10 print of Jim alone, and another made some wallet sized
photos of him.  Every time I started getting the image of him lying dead, I
would look at the photo.  That eventually pushed the image to the back of my
mind, and it hasn't reappeared in years.

Joy
Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 06:08 GMT
>I experienced something similar to some things you mention after my husband
>died.  The hardest image to get rid of was that of him lying dead in his
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>would look at the photo.  That eventually pushed the image to the back of my
>mind, and it hasn't reappeared in years.

I'm glad you don't have that image anymore.  With a spouse, people
should have many happy memories.
Joy - 06 Aug 2006 06:14 GMT
>>I experienced something similar to some things you mention after my
>>husband
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> I'm glad you don't have that image anymore.  With a spouse, people
> should have many happy memories.

One should have many happy memories of a cat, too.  Maybe if you have some
pictures of Betty in happier days, you can erase the unpleasant images from
your mind, or at least cover them up with better images.
Takayuki - 07 Aug 2006 04:48 GMT
>One should have many happy memories of a cat, too.  Maybe if you have some
>pictures of Betty in happier days, you can erase the unpleasant images from
>your mind, or at least cover them up with better images.

When I bring up happy images of Betty, and then the unpleasant one
inevitably follows later, it makes me feel so bad!  It's like showing
myself before and after pictures.  It's like, this is "before" I
euthanized you, and this is "after".
Singh - 06 Aug 2006 19:09 GMT
And with kitties as well.

I won't describe the image of Fritzie in that last moment. I don't want to call
anything to mind in either of us, so I'll tell you about the picture that kept me
sane. A few months before our wedding Louie and Frizie and I went to a
photographer and had a family portrait done. We were all on the floor, holding
Fritzie, who did not want to be there; after all, it was daytime, when normal
people should be sleeping! He stuck his tongue out at the camera like a spoiled
little brat. The photograoher offered to redo it, but we decided to keep it; that
was the heart of Fritzie. It was the centerpiece of the gift table at our
reception, and we keep copies everywhere. This is the smartassed little mental
picture I want of the Ascendant Master Fritzie.

Blessed be,
Baha

> >I experienced something similar to some things you mention after my husband
> >died.  The hardest image to get rid of was that of him lying dead in his
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I'm glad you don't have that image anymore.  With a spouse, people
> should have many happy memories.
Marina - 06 Aug 2006 03:53 GMT
<gentle snip>

> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

I can relate, as I think you know. It was a surprise to me how big a
relief I felt after scattering Frank's ashes on the island. As you know,
I don't have religion and I don't believe in an afterlife, but that
simple little ceremony gave me such comfort. I wish there was something
similar you could do to ease your mind. Dear Tak, hang in there. I wish
I had more words to comfort you.

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Takayuki - 06 Aug 2006 06:15 GMT
><gentle snip>
>>
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>similar you could do to ease your mind. Dear Tak, hang in there. I wish
>I had more words to comfort you.

You have a good point.  It's true that I do not have a mechanism,
procedure, or ceremony for achieving comfort, or "closure", if such a
thing is possible.

I just wish... that I could be with Betty again.  But there's no
"just" in that.
Marina - 06 Aug 2006 06:44 GMT
> I just wish... that I could be with Betty again.  But there's no
> "just" in that.

I know. Just one more day with Frank and Nikki. And one more night with
Frank on the pillow next to mine, and Nikki on my legs.

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Takayuki - 07 Aug 2006 04:53 GMT
>> I just wish... that I could be with Betty again.  But there's no
>> "just" in that.
>
>I know. Just one more day with Frank and Nikki. And one more night with
>Frank on the pillow next to mine, and Nikki on my legs.

I remember how Betty would have little routines when I went to bed.
She would give her little meow and climb on top of me, then start
purring and kneading.  If it was cold, she would nudge at my shoulder
to let her get under the covers.  If I were lying on my side reading a
book, she would poke me once or twice, then wait patiently purring, as
though she were waiting for an elevator.  If I didn't roll over on my
back after a minute or so, she would press my button and wait
patiently again.  I never got to read in bed. :)  Other times, she
would carefully sniff and patrol all around the bed, then start
running all around, galloping and trilling, before coming to bed.
Karen - 07 Aug 2006 03:22 GMT
>> <gentle snip>
>>>
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> I just wish... that I could be with Betty again.  But there's no
> "just" in that.

For me with Grant, it wasn't until I was strong enough to take the
cards and poems people sent me and his favorite purple puff ball in the
little chest with him.  I cried and said some personal things to him
and then I finally started to heal. I felt better to have finally done
that and put the ball away with him where it should be and not laying
out all  lonely with no Grant.
Adrian A - 06 Aug 2006 12:12 GMT
<snip>
> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

Your story is sadly familiar for many of us. It does start to get better
eventually, sadly though it can take years.
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H. Adam Stevens - 06 Aug 2006 12:31 GMT
> <snip>
>> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Your story is sadly familiar for many of us. It does start to get better
> eventually, sadly though it can take years.

It's been a couple of months since Max passed and I still just start crying
at odd times.
God I miss that cat.

H
MaryL - 06 Aug 2006 13:24 GMT
>> <snip>
>>> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> H

People who don't love their pets just don't understand this type of
reaction, but those of use who have been through it understand completely.
I had some friends -- in most ways "good meaning" friends -- who would say,
"It was only a cat.  You can always get another one."  They had no
comprehension of the fact that my cat was *family* (or of the fact that our
babies are "he" or "she" and not "it").

MaryL
H. Adam Stevens - 06 Aug 2006 13:45 GMT
>>> <snip>
>>>> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> MaryL

"You can always get another one."

Riiiiight

Cats and dogs and horses and iguanas and budgies and African greys and my
daughter's pet cricket Nelson and the crayfish George and Barbara, etc are
just as interchangable as children and spouses.
That is to say, not at all.

Nelson was really cool.

Cheers
H.
Singh - 06 Aug 2006 18:58 GMT
I have often wondered if much of my work trouble came from the day we had
Fritzie put to sleep. I lost one job that day, what I thought would have
been a regualr day job; I started another the same day, a holiday thing at
Bath & Body Works. On top of that, I had thundering cramps from a girl's
best friend, Her Time Of The Month. I swear that since I left Bath & Body,
I'd had a hard time finding and keeping decent jobs I liked, and hopped
around worse than when I temped.

I did a dumbass thing. I took too many drugs.

My usual dose of Valium is three pills a day, ever 6 hours. That day, a
few hours before work, I took six pills, three at once twice in two hours.
How I functioned, I haven't a clue. How I got nearly 2 thousand in sales,
as the boss told me the next day, I have even less a clue.

We looked for Fritzie every day, near his favorite heating vent and his
denim comforter. I went and filled his bowl a couple of times. We called
for him coming home from work.It was quiet, too quiet. Once Louie went to
get the catnip bubbles, and broke down when he realized there was no one
to blow them to.

Did we talk of another cat? Of course, but I was apprehensive and
depressed. Louie got upset with me and my depression, thinking that I
wanted another Fritzie and never another cat until he learned that I was
afraid of dishonoring my little sweetheart. I started to dream of tuxies a
few days after he passed, and a few days later met Stosh. I believe
Fritzie was telling me someone was on his was, many someones. Stosh came
to us the day before Christmas, very unexpected, and taught me a good
lesson. To love the little one who needed me was the biggest tribute I
could give my cherished, wise companion and baby. I could not have loved
five abused and abandoned cats had I not loved our Fritzie first.

In Sikh tradition, when his ashes were returned to us, we committed them
as his earthly remains back to Mother Nature; casting them into running
water at a lovely little park near our home, filled with waterfalls and
winding paths, and wildflowers and flowering bushes. Fritzie would have
loved it; he loved our garden. The vet sent us roses. We still have the
dried petals in the box that had contained the ashes; they still smell of
roses, and carry the scent of rosewood from the lovely little box. An
ornament with his pawprint--made by the vet shortly before the final
moment--is in among the petals.

Don't take it the wrong way, Tak; you'll open yourself up to another when
the time is right. Our five will not replace Fritzie, and no one will
replace our five. They are little souls, individuals. But I did learn that
I can love a little one again, and give to them and do for them. All the
work and worry in Fritzie's last years was a training ground for these
special cats I have, who needed a place with abundant patience and slaves
willing to brsuh teeth and do special food and all that. I am not
dishonoring the memory of my first kitty-love; if anything I find it's the
opposite. And I learned to pace myself with my meds!

When the time is right, remember. We weren't thinking of getting Stosh
three weeks after Fritzie was gone, but he was getting abused and needed
us. And now look at the army of masters we've collected in the past two
years! I have no regrets.

As to the practical stuff, maybe you could cover the desk in a nice cloth
of some kind, maybe fold the edges under and tape it down. And please
consider some grief counseling. It's no disgrace to go for help, and not
weakness in a human being. I'm just telling you because I care. You seem
like someone I could have a very happy cup of coffee with.

Blessed be,
Baha

> I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.
Pat - 06 Aug 2006 19:26 GMT
> consider some grief counseling. It's no disgrace to go for help, and not
> weakness in a human being. I'm just telling you because I care. You seem
> like someone I could have a very happy cup of coffee with.

Amen!
Stormin Mormon - 07 Aug 2006 03:14 GMT
I'll admit, that really makes me giggle. Thinking of you zoned out
into space on Valium, but being the Sales Person of the Year at the
store. Only wish I'd been there to see it. Musta been exactly what
everyone needed that day.

I've had my moments when I wasn't saying or doing it right, but this
one is exceptional.

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 You have to starve them.
.

I have often wondered if much of my work trouble came from the day we
had
Fritzie put to sleep. I lost one job that day, what I thought would
have
been a regualr day job; I started another the same day, a holiday
thing at
Bath & Body Works. On top of that, I had thundering cramps from a
girl's
best friend, Her Time Of The Month. I swear that since I left Bath &
Body,
I'd had a hard time finding and keeping decent jobs I liked, and
hopped
around worse than when I temped.

I did a dumbass thing. I took too many drugs.

My usual dose of Valium is three pills a day, ever 6 hours. That day,
a
few hours before work, I took six pills, three at once twice in two
hours.
How I functioned, I haven't a clue. How I got nearly 2 thousand in
sales,
as the boss told me the next day, I have even less a clue.
Takayuki - 07 Aug 2006 04:58 GMT
>When the time is right, remember. We weren't thinking of getting Stosh
>three weeks after Fritzie was gone, but he was getting abused and needed
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>weakness in a human being. I'm just telling you because I care. You seem
>like someone I could have a very happy cup of coffee with.

Is it usual to get counseling?  There are so many people here who have
had similar losses too, some multiple times.
Karen - 07 Aug 2006 05:26 GMT
>> When the time is right, remember. We weren't thinking of getting Stosh
>> three weeks after Fritzie was gone, but he was getting abused and needed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Is it usual to get counseling?  There are so many people here who have
> had similar losses too, some multiple times.

I think it is not UNusual. I have read many articles about it. Tak, it
is as serious as losing a family member. It IS losing a family member.  
It might do  you some good to talk about it to somebody in person.
Singh - 08 Aug 2006 04:03 GMT
It's NOT unusual to get counseling, for pet loss or any other kind of loss,
and for a legion of other reasons. The reasons really aren't important to
anyone but you and a good qualified therapist. One of the first people I
called when Fritzie passed was my psychiatrist, who gave me some excellent
counsel, monitored my medications more closely for the next few weeks, and
gave some spiritual guidance as well. (He is not a pastoral counseling
specialist, but we have a certain understanding about matters of faith.) I now
see a post-traumatic stress therapist as well, and even two and a half years
later Fritzie comes up; she does not ridicule or pass judgement. In fact,
she's better than I had expected; knowing I am infertile, she knows that my
cats are my babies.

Your GP ought to know of a good place to refer you, if you decide to go this
route. If I may be frank, I think it wouldn't hurt. You're not a nutjob like
me, but things happen to every person that puts them over the edge, and this
may be one. I and everyone here want you to be well and happy, and to
celebrate Betty's life and love in the way most meaningful to you.

Blessed be,
Baha

> >When the time is right, remember. We weren't thinking of getting Stosh
> >three weeks after Fritzie was gone, but he was getting abused and needed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Is it usual to get counseling?  There are so many people here who have
> had similar losses too, some multiple times.
Takayuki - 08 Aug 2006 06:31 GMT
>Your GP ought to know of a good place to refer you, if you decide to go this
>route. If I may be frank, I think it wouldn't hurt. You're not a nutjob like
>me, but things happen to every person that puts them over the edge, and this
>may be one. I and everyone here want you to be well and happy, and to
>celebrate Betty's life and love in the way most meaningful to you.

I actually haven't seen a doctor since I was a child.  I've seen a
nurse practitioner twice, once for a tetanus booster, and another time
for respiratory bug.  I guess I'm still at the stage where I just pay
into health insurance for years and years without ever using any of
it.

I feel a little better now, actually.  Whenever I post something like
this, it seems to take some of the weight off.  If it's because it's
been transferred to the rest of you, I apologize. :)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 Aug 2006 08:41 GMT
> I feel a little better now, actually.  Whenever I post something like
> this, it seems to take some of the weight off.  If it's because it's
> been transferred to the rest of you, I apologize. :)

If that doesn't make the case for getting some counseling, I don't know
what does. Clearly, you need to talk about your feelings, and you feel
better when you do.

You don't have to think of it as some major undertaking, "Going Into
Therapy". A few sessions might be all you need. But it seems obvious to
me that you would benefit greatly by talking to someone who respects
your feelings and will listen sympathetically, and perhaps even offer
a little wisdom.

Maybe there's a pet-loss grief group at your local animal shelter. I've
heard of such things. That might be an alternative to seeing a counselor.

Or if telling us about it is helpful enough, then post away! It doesn't
get transferred to me permanently. :)

Joyce
Susan M - 08 Aug 2006 16:19 GMT
> Maybe there's a pet-loss grief group at your local animal shelter. I've
> heard of such things. That might be an alternative to seeing a counselor.

Our local phone book has a number for a call-in line and the SPCA website
has reference to it here.  I think that most animal welfare organizations
would have a reference for a call in line.  TED has the number posted on his
door.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Singh - 08 Aug 2006 14:58 GMT
> I actually haven't seen a doctor since I was a child.  I've seen a
> nurse practitioner twice, once for a tetanus booster, and another time
> for respiratory bug.  I guess I'm still at the stage where I just pay
> into health insurance for years and years without ever using any of
> it.

If you have insurance coverage, your provider should have a list of doctors and
offices covered by their services, all itemized by specialty. And if your county
or university hospital is like ours locally, they will have a mental health unit.
Also check with your employer about an employee assist program. Most medium to
large companies provide this kind of service, and it provides counseling among
other things; most allow up to four free visits.

> I feel a little better now, actually.  Whenever I post something like
> this, it seems to take some of the weight off.  If it's because it's
> been transferred to the rest of you, I apologize. :)

I don't think there's an issue of transference, and I'm glad we can help you get
stuff off your chest. Still, I don't think a few talks with a qualified
professional would hurt matters. Just some food for thought; take small bites and
chew slowly.

Blessed be,
Baha
Karen - 08 Aug 2006 17:02 GMT
> I don't think there's an issue of transference, and I'm glad we can
> help you get
> stuff off your chest. Still, I don't think a few talks with a qualified
> professional would hurt matters. Just some food for thought; take small
> bites and
> chew slowly.

I actually find it theraputic for me because it makes me exam my losses
more closely.
Winnie - 08 Aug 2006 20:29 GMT
> If you have insurance coverage, your provider should have a list of doctors and
> offices covered by their services, all itemized by specialty. And if your county
> or university hospital is like ours locally, they will have a mental health unit.
> Also check with your employer about an employee assist program. Most medium to
> large companies provide this kind of service, and it provides counseling among
> other things; most allow up to four free visits.

When I was layoff,  the EPA would pay for a number of counselling
sessions. I went for it,
especially after Rusty was (mis)diagnosed with renal insufficency and
my father died
suddenly of a heart attack in the same month. I went for the max number
of session that the EPA would pay. The counsellors I talked to are not
psychiatrists. But they were helpful.
One also gave me career counselling.

Winnie

> > I feel a little better now, actually.  Whenever I post something like
> > this, it seems to take some of the weight off.  If it's because it's
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
Jo Firey - 08 Aug 2006 15:59 GMT
>>Your GP ought to know of a good place to refer you, if you decide to go
>>this
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> this, it seems to take some of the weight off.  If it's because it's
> been transferred to the rest of you, I apologize. :)

Of course some of it has been transferred to the rest of us.  And that is
more than OK.  Its an honor.  If it helps at all to lighten your unbearable
load of grief it is way worth it.

Not to speak for others, but reading about Betty reminds me of my cats and
dogs that have gone on ahead of us.  And makes me miss them more for just a
little while.

That isn't a bad thing.  I miss them with love.  Love is never a bad thing.

The post I wrote about Molly making nice with my daughter.  A lot of that
was missing my Rosie.  She was the only truly cuddly cat I've ever owned.
She wanted to be with my all the time.  She had been born undersized and the
breeder used to carry her around in a pocket in her apron all the time.  I
only had her for a year.  I don't think about her all the time anymore.  And
it makes me sad when I do.  But it makes me glad to remember her and what we
had too.  So its worth it.

Jo
polonca12000 - 08 Aug 2006 22:23 GMT
<snip>
> I feel a little better now, actually.  Whenever I post something like
> this, it seems to take some of the weight off.  If it's because it's
> been transferred to the rest of you, I apologize. :)

Please continue to post, Tak, we are here for you.
Lots of purrs and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Christine Burel - 06 Aug 2006 21:19 GMT
> I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
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> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

Oh, Tak!  I wish I could say or do something that would help soothe your
aching heart {{{{Tak}}}}!  Please know that your time with Betty was a gift
to both of you and that your sorrow will eventually be ameliorated by the
remembrance of all you shared and gave to each other rather than remembering
when you had to let her go.  So much more of her quality of life  with you
deserves to be celebrated -- I look forward to the time when this becomes
predominant in your daily life.

When I look back at the most intense cat bonding experience I had in my
life, I look back to my Frodo.  I know there will never be another one like
him but I think of how lucky I was to have had him in my life and what a
loyal pair of friends we were.  He was always there for me when I needed him
even when no other human understood and I know I was there for him up and
through the end -- because that's what friends do for each other.  And I
would never give up those memories of the joy we shared -- will not let them
be overcome by the sad fact of having had to say goodbye when the time came.

I also knew how empty I felt after he was gone and how I still had so much
love to give.  Frodo was a generous spirit and I knew in my heart that he
would understand that I still had love to give to other kitties who might
need it; I also knew I would never stop remembering him, nor loving him; (I
am tearing up as I write this).

I hope, Tak, that you will take that unique love and compassion that you
have and realize what a special, wonderful person you are.  Be kind to
yourself and give yourself the chance to share that love again when you feel
ready and never regret anything you did for Betty because she was your true
friend and you did right by her in every way.  Miss her and love her but try
to remember that in continuing to perservere with love in your life you are
celebrating  and commemorating the special friendship that you shared.

with love and hugs and purrs from us,
Christine and Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker
Takayuki - 07 Aug 2006 05:01 GMT
>I also knew how empty I felt after he was gone and how I still had so much
>love to give.  Frodo was a generous spirit and I knew in my heart that he
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>with love and hugs and purrs from us,
>Christine and Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker

I always thought that you had some tough cases, and maybe Frodo is why
you can persevere.  I don't know if you have it up anymore, but you
once wrote an entire treatise on your web site about Midnight's
integration. :)
polonca12000 - 06 Aug 2006 21:23 GMT
> I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
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> past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
> been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

You are in our thoughts, Tak. You gave Betty the best possible home, the
most love she could ever get from anyone. It is so terribly cruel that
cancer was not curable and she had to leave you. But Betty will send you
a kitty or two who desperately need a home when the time comes.
We are purring for you and sending you lots of gentle hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Susan M - 07 Aug 2006 04:53 GMT
Tak - I send you hugs and the strength to just keep working through it all.
I haven't yet experienced what you have so I cannot offer any other words to
help.  Hang in there - you and Betty had a very special relationship and I
hope that one day the good memories will be the ones that come to you most
easily.

Susan M
Otis and Chester

>I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
> around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
> interspersed with "I miss you".
Cheryl - 08 Aug 2006 03:05 GMT
> I was hesitating to write about this before, but I've found in
> the past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out
> to have been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to
> this too.

Tak, even though I've never been without a cat, the ones that pass
make me sad for a long time. Each of them have a purrsonality that
make them unique. Marley was a tabby that surprisingly I'm seeing
a lot of in Rhett. Clingy, yet wild, purrpetual kitten. Shadow's
purrsonality is one that I doubted I'd ever see in another cat,
but his gentle demeaner is showing up in Bonnie. Maybe I'm
mistaking that because she is solid black like he was (only she
doesn't have a white locket like he had) but she really reminds me
of him.

Loving an animal, especially one that was ill and relied on you
for their total care is going to create a bond that feels exactly
like one you have for a human. It is just as hard to lose them,
and will take time before you can move on. I really feel for you
and what you're going through. It's hard.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 09 Aug 2006 16:07 GMT
>I mentioned that I still talked to Betty, even though she's not longer
>around.  About a month or so ago, some of the "I love you" became
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>past that when I bring up my experiences here, it turns out to have
>been shared by many others.  Maybe you can relate to this too.

Oh, {{{{{Tak}}}}}}}

I know you are in so much pain right now.  I wish I could just make it
go away, but I can't.  All I can tell you is I've been there, more
than once, and it is a journey that does have a light at the end of
it.  Your heart will heal, and you will know that Betty is a big part
of your heart always, and lives on in you.

Thinking of you,

Ginger-lyn

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