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mlbriggs - 01 Aug 2006 18:16 GMT
After weeks of 100 to 104 temps, it is now 59 degrees.  We had a real
"gully washer" with thunder and lightning.  TuTu was very nervous and
kept winding herself around my feet.   I opened the closet door and told
her to hide in there, but she wouldn't leave me.  It is still raining but
not a "downpour".  TuTu is now watching the rain run down the front window.

Two kinds of weather here:  Too hot and Too cold.   The rain is welcome,
but the thunder and lightning are not.  MLB
Christina Websell - 01 Aug 2006 18:29 GMT
>  After weeks of 100 to 104 temps, it is now 59 degrees.  We had a real
> "gully washer" with thunder and lightning.  TuTu was very nervous and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Two kinds of weather here:  Too hot and Too cold.   The rain is welcome,
> but the thunder and lightning are not.  MLB

We have had very high temperatures, not typical for the UK, for the last
month or so and the only thing that seems to break it is a thunderstorm or
cloudburst.
It's down to 70f today after Thursdays terrific downpour with flash floods
again.  It's much more comfortable for us poor folks who don't have air
conditioning.  We don't need it normally.

Tweed
Pat - 01 Aug 2006 18:36 GMT
Still way too hot here. I haven't been able to sleep for days.
Winnie - 01 Aug 2006 20:23 GMT
> Still way too hot here. I haven't been able to sleep for days.

Same here.The humidex is 48C (118F). I think it breaks the record. We
were asked not
to use major appliances till after 8 pm. I am not venturing out at all
in this heat.

Winnie
Pat - 01 Aug 2006 21:11 GMT
Cats here are dropping massive amounts of hair. They had mostly quit their
spring shedding around the middle of June but it's been so hot that they're
doing just as much now as they did in May.
Jo Firey - 01 Aug 2006 21:42 GMT
> Cats here are dropping massive amounts of hair. They had mostly quit their
> spring shedding around the middle of June but it's been so hot that
> they're doing just as much now as they did in May.

Hope you all get a break soon.  Hibernating gets old after the first few
days.  Especially when you are too uncomfortable to actually sleep.

Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 01 Aug 2006 22:38 GMT
> Same here.The humidex is 48C (118F). I think it breaks the record.

What's a "humidex"? I've never heard that word before. Sounds like it
should be a measure of humidity, but looks like you have temperature
readings from it.

Joyce
Dan M - 01 Aug 2006 22:47 GMT
> What's a "humidex"? I've never heard that word before. Sounds like it
> should be a measure of humidity, but looks like you have temperature
> readings from it.

I believe it's a "humidity index". It does the same thing for heat and
humidity as "wind chill" does for cold and wind. Basically gives you the
effective temperature your body thinks it is outside.

Dan
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 01 Aug 2006 22:53 GMT
> > What's a "humidex"? I've never heard that word before. Sounds like it
> > should be a measure of humidity, but looks like you have temperature
> > readings from it.

> I believe it's a "humidity index". It does the same thing for heat and
> humidity as "wind chill" does for cold and wind. Basically gives you the
> effective temperature your body thinks it is outside.

Ah, gotcha. As in "it's 75 degrees today, 82 on the humidex"?

Joyce
Winnie - 02 Aug 2006 02:15 GMT
> Ah, gotcha. As in "it's 75 degrees today, 82 on the humidex"?
>
> Joyce

You got it. Currently it is 32C(90F), but  feels like 41C. The 41
(105F) is the humidex.
We always get the humidex, if any, reported.

Winnie
Matthew - 02 Aug 2006 02:21 GMT
Send the cooler weather to us  it was 127 on my car gauge in the parking lot

When I got home it was 97 humidity making it feel 103  the rain just made it
worse

Now we have a possible forming hurricane going to head for us
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 02 Aug 2006 02:40 GMT
> > Ah, gotcha. As in "it's 75 degrees today, 82 on the humidex"?

> You got it. Currently it is 32C(90F), but  feels like 41C. The 41
> (105F) is the humidex.
> We always get the humidex, if any, reported.

I've never heard that, but I guess, living in coastal California
in a semi-arid climate, humidity isn't a significant factor in the
temperature. (Nor is the "wind chill" factor. Yay! I love Bay Area
weather.)

Joyce
Winnie - 02 Aug 2006 03:43 GMT
> I've never heard that, but I guess, living in coastal California
> in a semi-arid climate, humidity isn't a significant factor in the
> temperature. (Nor is the "wind chill" factor. Yay! I love Bay Area
> weather.)
>
> Joyce

I used to live in the Bay Area too, and remember the fog. But here we
get the humidex in
the summer and the windchill in the winter. We go from one extreme to
the other.

Winnie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 02 Aug 2006 04:45 GMT
> I used to live in the Bay Area too, and remember the fog.

Where did you live? And when did you leave? Are you originally from
Canada or the USA? (Sorry for all the questions, answer as you see
fit.)

I love the fog!!!

Joyce
Adrian A - 02 Aug 2006 12:09 GMT
>  > I used to live in the Bay Area too, and remember the fog.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Joyce

Last week I went for a walk on the beech, the mist was rolling in from the
sea, so even though there were hundreds of people there, it felt like I was
alone because it was impossible to see more than a few feet.
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Winnie - 02 Aug 2006 14:18 GMT
> Where did you live? And when did you leave? Are you originally from
> Canada or the USA? (Sorry for all the questions, answer as you see
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Joyce

I lived in San Francisco and left for Canada more than 30 years ago. I
was originally from Hong Kong and went to college in U.S, then
immigrated to Canada.
The move from S.F. to Canada was a tough one. Took me a long time to
adjust.

Winnie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 02 Aug 2006 20:57 GMT
> I lived in San Francisco and left for Canada more than 30 years ago. I
> was originally from Hong Kong and went to college in U.S, then
> immigrated to Canada.

Well, you got quite a jump on all the other folks moving directly
from Hong Kong to Canada just prior to '97. :)  I'll bet real estate
was much cheaper when you moved.

For some reason I thought you lived in Vancouver. But recently you
mentioned that some folks you work with drive two hours to Montreal,
so apparently, you are not on the west coast! :)

> The move from S.F. to Canada was a tough one. Took me a long time to
> adjust.

What was tough about it, if you don't mind saying?

Joyce
Winnie - 02 Aug 2006 21:38 GMT
> Well, you got quite a jump on all the other folks moving directly
> from Hong Kong to Canada just prior to '97. :)  I'll bet real estate
> was much cheaper when you moved.

I actually left several decades before that. By '97, I was well settled
here.

> For some reason I thought you lived in Vancouver. But recently you
> mentioned that some folks you work with drive two hours to Montreal,
> so apparently, you are not on the west coast! :)

No I live in Ottawa. I took some seniors from the computer class where
I volunteered as
an teaching assitant to Montreal for  a day long shopping trip. We took
the train.

> What was tough about it, if you don't mind saying?

It was tought to start over in  a new country where I knew few people.
Plus S.F. is a lot different from the small city I first lived in,
especially weather wise. I missed S.F. a lot.

Winnie

> Joyce
tanada - 03 Aug 2006 07:50 GMT
>> Ah, gotcha. As in "it's 75 degrees today, 82 on the humidex"?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Winnie

Here it was 101 F and the heat index (same as the humidex) was 119.  Way too
hot to drive a car without a working AC.

Pam S.
Winnie - 03 Aug 2006 19:48 GMT
> Here it was 101 F and the heat index (same as the humidex) was 119.  Way too
> hot to drive a car without a working AC.
>
> Pam S

What a storm we have last night! In addition to a severe thunder storm,
there was tornado
warnings. The weather channel TV person kept telling people they had
only a few minutes
to seek shelther in a bathroom or the basement. At first the warning
was for nearby regions
until it eventually extended to the city. Finally I took Rusty in his
carrier and walked all
the way downstairs to the lobby and sat in a corner away from the
windows. Didn't think
of going to the underground garage. The tornado didn't hit town. But
many surrounding
areas sustain lots of damage and some areas are without power.
Today everything is calm, and the heat and humidity gone, until
tomorrow.

Winnie
Jo Firey - 03 Aug 2006 22:22 GMT
>>> Ah, gotcha. As in "it's 75 degrees today, 82 on the humidex"?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Pam S.

Our local paper had a belated list of 100 things to do when it is 100F or
more.  Some smart, some silly.

My favorite "turn yourself in, its cooler in jail"

Jo
jhill - 02 Aug 2006 02:17 GMT
I believe in the USA it is called a heat index.  Yes, it the temperature
your body thinks it is considering the actual temperature and the humidity
combined.  The higher the humidity % for a given actual temp, the higher the
index. If the temp. is actually 88 deg.  F, and the humidity is very high
like 80-90% then it feels more like 95 deg F.

> > Same here.The humidex is 48C (118F). I think it breaks the record.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 02 Aug 2006 02:44 GMT
> I believe in the USA it is called a heat index.  Yes, it the temperature
> your body thinks it is considering the actual temperature and the humidity
> combined.  The higher the humidity % for a given actual temp, the higher the
> index. If the temp. is actually 88 deg.  F, and the humidity is very high
> like 80-90% then it feels more like 95 deg F.

In addition to changing how it feels, does the humidity change how the
temperature actually affects a person? I'm thinking of dangers such as
dehydration or heatstroke. Will a higher humidity actually make those
things more likely?

I grew up in Massachusetts, where the "wind chill" factor was a regular
part of a forecast in the winter. Winds could make a cold day feel much
colder. And I think it could actually make you *be* colder, too, not
just feel colder. Meaning, risks such as hypothermia or frostbite were
increased with the wind chill. But don't quote me on that because I'm not
certain about it.

Joyce
John F. Eldredge - 03 Aug 2006 01:18 GMT
> > I believe in the USA it is called a heat index.  Yes, it the temperature
> > your body thinks it is considering the actual temperature and the humidity
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>increased with the wind chill. But don't quote me on that because I'm not
>certain about it.

I saw a medical newsletter article today that said that, among elderly
people (70 years old or higher), the risk of heart attack goes up as
the humidity goes up.  This is true in both hot and cold weather.  The
doctors don't yet understand why this is true.

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Ann - 02 Aug 2006 02:58 GMT
In Connecticut we have had 6 days of about 90 degree weather. Today and
Wednesday will be the near 100 with  very high humidity. We spent the day at
a large mall just to be cool. The cats were in the air conditioned bedroom.
Every one take extra care in this heat.
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>  After weeks of 100 to 104 temps, it is now 59 degrees.  We had a real
> "gully washer" with thunder and lightning.  TuTu was very nervous and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Two kinds of weather here:  Too hot and Too cold.   The rain is welcome,
> but the thunder and lightning are not.  MLB
mlbriggs - 02 Aug 2006 05:15 GMT
>   After weeks of 100 to 104 temps, it is now 59 degrees.  We had a real
>  "gully washer" with thunder and lightning.  TuTu was very nervous and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Two kinds of weather here:  Too hot and Too cold.   The rain is welcome,
> but the thunder and lightning are not.  MLB

FYI   That was a major storm that went through today.  It caused a lot of
damage, uprooting big trees which fell on houses, turned planes over at
the airport,  flooding, etc.  MLB
tanada - 03 Aug 2006 07:36 GMT
>  After weeks of 100 to 104 temps, it is now 59 degrees.  We had a real
> "gully washer" with thunder and lightning.  TuTu was very nervous and
> kept winding herself around my feet.   I opened the closet door and told
> her to hide in there, but she wouldn't leave me.  It is still raining but
> not a "downpour".  TuTu is now watching the rain run down the front
> window.

At 2:30 am it is 84 degrees F, here in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
Yesterday, it was over 100 F.  It is expected to be the same until the
weekend, then there is supposed to be another heat wave after that.  Last
night I couldn't get to sleep, it was too hot and I was stressed.  I think I
may turn into an owl until classes start on the 15th.

Pam S. with both fans blowing on her.  wondering how Pat has survived
without AC
Pat - 03 Aug 2006 07:48 GMT
> At 2:30 am it is 84 degrees F, here in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
> Yesterday, it was over 100 F.  It is expected to be the same until the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Pam S. with both fans blowing on her.  wondering how Pat has survived
> without AC

I guess I got good training living on the farm, in a metal box with a black
roof, in the full sun, with 6'6" ceilings. That place was always like an
oven in the summer. I mean, it would be 110F. inside by 11 AM when it was 90
outside. I bought a 6000 BTU window a/c unit and installed it in the living
room, and closed off both bedrooms and the bath, leaving about 200' sq. to
be cooled. Closed all the windows and the door, turned the thing on, and
after blowing ice-cold air for half an hour or so, it was ten degrees hotter
in there than it had been before turning on the a/c. So I sold the useless
thing. Sure wish I had kept it for here.
John F. Eldredge - 03 Aug 2006 12:59 GMT
>> At 2:30 am it is 84 degrees F, here in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
>> Yesterday, it was over 100 F.  It is expected to be the same until the
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>in there than it had been before turning on the a/c. So I sold the useless
>thing. Sure wish I had kept it for here.

I assume that you had the air conditioner installed correctly, with
the hot air from the exhaust side blowing outdoors, and weren't trying
to have it entirely within the trailer with no connection to the
outside?  If you had it installed in the correct manner, then the
temperature increase after an hour _without_ using the air conditioner
would have been more than 10 degrees.  So, you chose to go from
inadequate cooling to no cooling at all (and a higher indoors
temperature).  Oh well, tastes differ.  I prefer cooler temperatures
to warmer.

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Pat - 03 Aug 2006 13:45 GMT
>>I guess I got good training living on the farm, in a metal box with a
>>black
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> temperature).  Oh well, tastes differ.  I prefer cooler temperatures
> to warmer.

You are right, it would have gotten at least ten degrees hotter in there
after an hour without the a/c *IF* I had left the windows and door closed!!

My point above was that the a/c unit was incapable of offsetting the temp.
increase created by closing the place up.

The place was completely uninsulated, therefore closing it up completely
caused the temperature to rise much as it would in a closed automobile in
the sun. But keeping everything open kept it from baking higher than about
115F.

I am dense at times, but have never been quite stupid enough to try running
a window air conditioner without sticking the back part of it out a
window.... geez!
John F. Eldredge - 03 Aug 2006 13:58 GMT
>>>I guess I got good training living on the farm, in a metal box with a
>>>black
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>a window air conditioner without sticking the back part of it out a
>window.... geez!

OK, I apologize for the misunderstanding.  The description above made
it sound like the only difference was AC running/AC not running.

I have been considering buying an electric attic fan to reduce my air
conditioning load.  My house has a low attic (about 4 1/2 feet
headroom at the center), and passive ventilation.  There are grilled
vents at each end of the gable, a half-inch to one inch gap between
the walls and roof all of the way around, and "wind turbine" vents on
the roof.  Also, there is a fairly good layer of insulation between
the attic and the downstairs.  Still, the attic probably reaches 140
degrees Fahrenheit or so on a mid-summer day.  I suspect that the
electricity required to run a vent fan would be more than compensated
by reducing how much the air conditioner has to run downstairs.  My
sister suggested that I look at the idea of a solar-cell-powered fan,
but I haven't had time to do so yet.

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Pat - 03 Aug 2006 14:02 GMT
> I have been considering buying an electric attic fan to reduce my air
> conditioning load.  My house has a low attic (about 4 1/2 feet
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> sister suggested that I look at the idea of a solar-cell-powered fan,
> but I haven't had time to do so yet.

I don't think it would really do you any good to put a fan up there, because
heat goes up and stays up. The heat in your attic probably doesn't make a
difference in the temp. lower down in your house. But why not try it and
see? I think you can get a solar powered fan and it won't take any
electricity to run it.
William Hamblen - 03 Aug 2006 15:46 GMT
> I don't think it would really do you any good to put a fan up there, because
> heat goes up and stays up. The heat in your attic probably doesn't make a
> difference in the temp. lower down in your house. But why not try it and
> see? I think you can get a solar powered fan and it won't take any
> electricity to run it.

Attic ventilation makes a big difference because you are blowing
away the hot air before the heat can soak through the ceiling.  
I'll bet when he puts his hand on the ceiling it is warm.  

My cat is obsessed with getting into the attic.  I have to shut
her inside a room before letting down the folding stairs or
else she is up the stairs before I can catch her.  After I let
her out of the room she will stand under the stairs and beg to
be let inside the attic.

Bud
Cheryl Perkins - 03 Aug 2006 16:01 GMT
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> My cat is obsessed with getting into the attic.  I have to shut
> her inside a room before letting down the folding stairs or
> else she is up the stairs before I can catch her.  After I let
> her out of the room she will stand under the stairs and beg to
> be let inside the attic.

Mine do that with the really nasty crawlspace under the house, although
that can't be attributed to an attraction to a hot area. It's got a dirt
floor, some areas aren't even big enough for a human to crawl (although
definately big enough for a cat) and I find it so unpleasant that I don't
even open the trapdoor, much less go down there, unless I need to turn
off all the water for the house.

But if I did open that trapdoor, the cats were down there instantly, and
it is absolutely impossible to get them out. I end up having to prop the door
open, and remembering to shut it when they've wandered out on their own in
search of a full foodbowl. Once some workman or inspector was down there
with the landlady I then rented from, and when I came home, the trapdoor
was propped open with bowls of food along the edge, and apologetic
messages about how they didn't quite know how it happened, and were
terribly sorry, but the cats had gotten underneath the house, and they
couldn't get them out again. Naturally, by the time I'd gotten home the
cats had gotten bored again with the mud and smell and come out on their
own.

I can't decide if there are mice down there in the mud, or if it's just
another example of 'curious as a cat' when encountering a comparatively
new and strange area.

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Marina - 04 Aug 2006 03:59 GMT
> I can't decide if there are mice down there in the mud, or if it's just
> another example of 'curious as a cat' when encountering a comparatively
> new and strange area.

Miranda loves hanging out under the shed where I sleep on the island.
It's her safe place; the big boys (Linus and Kasper) can't fit under
there, and neither can humans. Nikki used to use it as her hiding place,
too. I think she was a little put out that Caliban crawled under there
this summer - he had to scrabble a little to get his tummy in, but in he
went. You could almost hear the 'plop' when his tummy finally went through.

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